The Evo already got it, and im sure the incredible is almost there. Whats wrong with the Eris? And what Hboot are those two devices running?
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The Evo already got it, and im sure the incredible is almost there. Whats wrong with the Eris? And what Hboot are those two devices running?
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uuuummm what r u talkin about ? im confused , the eris is already rooted ,atleast if u have 1.5 u can root it or the 2.1 ota i belie ve u can too
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uuuummm what r u talkin about ? im confused , the eris is already rooted ,atleast if u have 1.5 u can root it or the 2.1 ota i belie ve u can too
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I thought it would be obvious that im talking about the leaked versions
it's just attention has been diverted that's all. if all the devs were working on rooting those leaks I have no doubt in my mind it would have already been, or very close to being rooted, but as it stands, most devs already have root on their phones so they arent as focused to rooting anymore, just providing more things already rooted phones. I'm sure there are some more devso ut there trying everyday to root it, but without as many, or as much work into it, it's going to be quite a while to get there.
I was looking into it myself, until my trackball stopped working and I got a replacement phone, so I guess I could be to blame as well for this.
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it's just attention has been diverted that's all. if all the devs were working on rooting those leaks I have no doubt in my mind it would have already been, or very close to being rooted, but as it stands, most devs already have root on their phones so they arent as focused to rooting anymore, just providing more things already rooted phones. I'm sure there are some more devso ut there trying everyday to root it, but without as many, or as much work into it, it's going to be quite a while to get there.
I was looking into it myself, until my trackball stopped working and I got a replacement phone, so I guess I could be to blame as well for this.
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devs are def. working on the issue. problem is, it's a no paying job.
I dont get the whole point in calling Android open source software if they have to lock our phones so we cant do anything. if we screw it up thats our fault so i dont see the problem
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devs are def. working on the issue. problem is, it's a no paying job.
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Yes, I recognized that some are still working on it, I just said that attention has been diverted greatly. do you think releasing an ad blocker, various roms, overclocking, froyo, live wallpapers, aosp/jit support they were busy trying to root at the same time? of course not, you can only do so much at once, and attention to rooting has shifted greatly. have they forgot about it completely? hell no! they just put it on the backburners.
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I dont get the whole point in calling Android open source software if they have to lock our phones so we cant do anything. if we screw it up thats our fault so i dont see the problem
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google and android being open source has nothing to do with it. it's the carriers who prefer to lock down the phones.
A to keep the general public out of things that could hurt. could you imagine any old lady picking up an android phone and overclocking and the SU app, and all the other tools were there? it'd either destroy her phone when she messes with it, or left alone entirely because she doesnt know what they do. eitherway? they become pointless to have on the phone.
B to keep users out of things that cost more money. did you know you have to actually pay verizon an extra addition on your bill to unlock tethering on the phones they allow tethering on? by having root, we can tether without them knowing on phones that don't usually have tethering and we can do it without paying for it. it's not exactly something they want going on, so they lock the phones down.
C safety. Having root access on our phone gives apps a lot more things to control, and with such, if anything malicious gets on our phone, it can do more damage on a root user then a locked down phone.
so take the nexus one for instance, if you bought that through google, not a wireless provider, it still has root on it for the first and last reasons I mentioned. to keep the general public out of things they don't need to be getting into/understand how to control. and with the safety lockdown, the average person who goes "oh what's this?" *click* on a malicious app doesnt get that chance.
it's not about keeping us out, it's about making the service providers happy, and keeping the general public safe.
google has put into android a very simple way to get root access for us all, it's the phone hardware (and their custom software additions) and the service providers that make it harder and harder to get into the system.
makes sense, but safe from what? its a phone... it wont kill you
buttttt how would you go about getting a pre rooted nexus one even if you dont have t mobile and just want the phone?
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makes sense, but safe from what? its a phone... it wont kill you
buttttt how would you go about getting a pre rooted nexus one even if you dont have t mobile and just want the phone?
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No the phone wont hurt you, just your pocket when the average person, who knows zip about what they are doing with a rooted phone totally bricks the phone and has to buy a new one, at full retail price. Or perhaps they load up a app that causes major issues with the phone, causing it to lock up/fail. again hurting the pocket book by having to buy a new phone at retail price.
I'm not trying to be a **** here but I'm fairly certain that when any of us load anything onto the phone we're aware of the risks it could bring, I would hope you went into this with the same mentality.
that is what we are saying, anying who can make an account on XDA, actually, anyone who has even HEARD of xda is probably smart enough to not do any brick-inducing stupid moves.
I'm talking about the average person who doesnt know the difference between RAM and ROM here, it's locked down to protect them from their own dumb moves.
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I'm not trying to be a **** here but I'm fairly certain that when any of us load anything onto the phone we're aware of the risks it could bring, I would hope you went into this with the same mentality.
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thats exactly what im trying to say. if we screw up our phones that our own fault so i dont see why we should worry about others who brick their phones and end up buying new ones. thats their fault and they can deal with it
(now because i said that if im ever able to root ill probably brick my phone trying) karma sucks...
but still.
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Well I was just reading a thread about someone buying a Vibrant from someone who "found" it and this person was looking for a way to bypass WaveSecure.
We all know that with a little know how that it is possible with Recovery Mode.
The question I have is there a way to prevent even a Recovery Mode reflash? To absolutely stop someone from touching the ROM at all?
I know the Security Apps out right now can track you from GPS, wipe the phone remotely, etc... But can it stop someone from reflashing a ROM?
If there is a app out there like that please let me know, but if not, what would it take to create such a app.
What are YOUR thoughts??
What if this happens and then you brick for some reason need to reflash and it's locked. I would just bank on the fact that most people think that it's a "Droid" phone and don't know ****.
I was hoping for a question like that.
Either there is a security measure which at some point of using Recovery that it asks for a password or pin. Something that will allow you to access it securely and nobody else.
Yes, it is a droid, very true, but how many droids are out there now, are going to be out there, and with the new laws that allow you to unlock your device and pretty much do anything with it, more and more people are going to start playing around. Not only that, there is always somebody who knows someone, you know.
Personally myself, I would feel secure with having an implementation like this, everything else is pointless.
It's sort of like having a anti virus on your computer but not scanning for rootkits, only viruses.
The idea of that app sounds nice and all that but I seriously doubt that the average Android user would know about flashing ROMs and all that. But if it does get into the hands of somebody that does know how to do it then it can be a problem.
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Yes, it is a droid, very true, but how many droids...
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First of all these are android devices / android phones. I was mocking the people who call these phones "droid" phones.
Now on topic: All it takes to break this security is for one person to say, "I forgot my password on for the ==sUPERlOCKER== what do I do to get access?" Then all your worry is for nothing again.
What has been done can always be undone.
Sure, unlike me, I never forget my passwords. Especially for something this serious.
Second, of course something can be undo, but to what extent, after hearing your lack of concern makes me think you don't even have a lock on your phone
Again, would you rather have a password like "1234" that is easily guessed, or would you rather have something like "00LowJK54889$3%#". It's really a matter of personal security.
You sound like one of those people who would have Security Cameras, but never has the DVR on to record anything.
I'm saying your idea is bad. I have illustrated why. You have no counterpoint other than that I am 'relaxed' about my phone security.
How about this, keep your phone in your pocket or hand? 100% security.
This should be in general and not development
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This has been discussed a few times, you could compile your own recovery image and program in a password while at it, or you can accept that 90% of theives(or people who would find your phone) cannot get to recovery. If I found a phone then yeah I would go straight to recovery but I'm not your average user.
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I'm saying your idea is bad. I have illustrated why. You have no counterpoint other than that I am 'relaxed' about my phone security.
How about this, keep your phone in your pocket or hand? 100% security.
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First, my idea is not bad, give it time, you will see.
Second, I do not have a counterpoint because my main point is stated in the first post. Read again.
Third, I don't care if you are relaxed about your security or not. This post obviously is not for you, another negative person who stunts development if they do not see a logical use for themselves.
I wish you the best and hope that you do not need to ever use such a tool or measure. Take it easy.
This has been discussed a few times, you could compile your own recovery image and program in a password while at it, or you can accept that 90% of theives(or people who would find your phone) cannot get to recovery. If I found a phone then yeah I would go straight to recovery but I'm not your average user.
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On the Vibrant forums? Haven't seen anything yet.
Also, I am not betting on a thief or someone who found the phone to be able to get to recovery, I'm worried about who these people might know. It's surprising to see how many people out here think that they are the only person in a 20 mile radius who knows how to do such mods... Maybe it's just the people I know but I know quite a few people who can easily google and find a way, easily.
I can bet that 90% of people here do not know anything except following directions, no pun intended to those who do. I definitely do not know half of what I should know, but again, is it really that hard?
Your own logic defeats what you are saying here. Don't you understand OP?
If there is a security measure, there will be a work around it? So why have more than ONE thing for the uneducated masses and stop there?
If the person who steals your phone knows someone who could get around WaveSecure, or any other security application. Then that same person can get around ANY AND ALL other types and forms of theft deterrent. If not, they will know someone, ask on forums, etc. UNTIL they gain access.
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Then why have any security on anything at all?
You my friend make no sense, good day!
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Then why have any security on anything at all?
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Ok, I will lay it out as simply as I can man. I do not want to argue, but you are missing why this is impossible to accomplish.
The existing security layers can be compromised by lets say... 10% of the population, seeing as most people who are thieves do not talk about it, most people dislike thieves.
So effectively 90% of people will be stopped dead in their tracks by having WaveSecure, etc.
The 10% who are not stopped however, can not be stopped by any means. None. They are the people who read these forums, have technical ability, etc.
Therefore having one layer of security means 90% of people are stopped from using your device. But it has ridiculously diminishing returns. With two layers, say stopping access to recovery, 10% are now stopped. Just boot into download mode and flash with odin. Stop download mode? First of all how? Second of all, there has to be a workaround for people who forget their passwords and stuff. And guess what, those 10% will know about that as well.
So please, address these issues and resolve them somehow, and your idea has merit. Without doing so you are wasting your time.
Also, much to your liking I will assume, I will no longer be posting in this thread due to your constant elevation of flaming.
Any security pro will tell you, if you have physical access to a computer, you can make it usable for you. The only real security you can hope for its to prevent access to your data by the thief. That's what full disk encryption and such is about. For our phones, we could achieve this much with a custom kernel perhaps, but how would you enter the password? No keyboard at that level.
The cellular providers can prevent the stolen phone from getting on their networks, and some do, but that's about as far as it goes.
Its like having a lock on your front door.. Its only going to keep out the honest people... Thats what they are made for, honest people, because dishonest people will just kick the door in.. And the good thieves can pick a dead bolt...
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I'm starting to think this request/question is for the wrong crowd, truly it is...
If you build it they will hack it... Hands down... Look at the droid x, the unhackable phone, it took 5 weeks..
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I agree, never did I not. This thread wasn't to debate whether a security measure could be hacked or not, the thread was created to see what we could do to implement such a measure.
I am totally aware of that. I know that if there is a will there is a way.
PERSONALLY, that is something I wouldn't mind having. Though some of you disagree and have a right to your own opinion, that is beyond the point. I am trying to see if a) is it possible. and b) what it would take to do so, and possibly c) if anyone was interested in trying or helping out.
So feel free to express your opinion. Mine is that you can never have enough protection cuz I would never bring a knife to a gun fight. But that's just me...
BTW, those who hacked the unhackable phone I would consider being part of the .01%.
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I'm starting to think this request/question is for the wrong crowd, truly it is...
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If you mean people that know how things work, I suppose. It's the same problem as drm. When you understand why that's not possible, you will understand this. Read up on jtag as well, you can't protect against that. 90% is about as good as it gets.
Here is a thought. Is it possible that HTC is trying to engineer a solution that gives them the ultimate out? Is it possible that they will be engineering an unlock that sprint then has full control over? I.E. Sprint would then be able to go in and relock at will? This way HTC gets to say they are releasing their products unlocked but the carriers are controlling it?
I would imagine they would have just as many pissed off customers, but perhaps they are willing to take that risk? It is just a theory... so I don't even know if that is possible.
But I just can't think of why this could possibly take them this long. It would take half of a work day to prep the unlock and put it up on their website for download.
Anyone else have thoughts on that theory? Or perhaps you have other conspiracy theories to offer?
Possibly because it's not their number 1 priority? I'm sure they'll keep their promise, I just doubt it's at the very top of their list of things to do.
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Possibly because it's not their number 1 priority? I'm sure they'll keep their promise, I just doubt it's at the very top of their list of things to do.
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Exactly. In less than a week 2 updates have been pushed OTA to fix various bugs. Their priorities are obviously making sure the phone is working properly before allowing users to unlock them and rightfully so. This has all been so dramatic and if you look at their FB page its quite ridiculous how people are responding. HTC will get this done but there are more important issues to address first.
Perhaps they are waiting to see if the angry masses are bluffing.
Mine was returned. Simple reason is this... Better devices are a few months away that wont have locked bootloaders.
So bye bye EVO3d, me and my money will go elsewhere (nexus prime)
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We all know that when unlocking and rooting there is a risk that you may get bricked, I'm pretty sure their biggest objective is to make sure anything they give us doesn't result in a bunch of paperweights that need to be replaced for free... That's not good business for them
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Another thing, they are probably looking to find a universal way to unlock all of the phones that have just released too... Just a thought..prolly not the case though
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I'd rather them fix the bugs first (like the new text message notification bug) and then unlock the device for us.
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Perhaps they are waiting to see if the angry masses are bluffing.
Mine was returned. Simple reason is this... Better devices are a few months away that wont have locked bootloaders.
So bye bye EVO3d, me and my money will go elsewhere (nexus prime)
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Interesting that you even purchased the device in the first place... It was widely known that the bootloader was locked when the phone was released.
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Exactly. In less than a week 2 updates have been pushed OTA to fix various bugs. Their priorities are obviously making sure the phone is working properly before allowing users to unlock them and rightfully so. This has all been so dramatic and if you look at their FB page its quite ridiculous how people are responding. HTC will get this done but there are more important issues to address first.
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This makes no sense at all. They could easily kill two birds with one stone and unlock during one of the OTAs to fix a bug. We don't need bugs fixed before the unlock. The reality is that once it is unlocked, our devs will take care of bugs in much shorter order than they (HTC) will. And in reality, once rooted, I will probably eliminate half of the bloatware that contains the bugs. So there will be nothing for me (and many others) to fix at that point.
The reality is that this is a simple task. They merely need to hand over the key. They fact that they are stalling leads me to believe they have sinister plans.
I think they are waiting to release enough bug fixes to get a pulse on their new hardware. They don't want rooting to complicate the picture: they'll never know whether the problems are caused by rooting or legit bugs. So I think they'll do one of two things:
(1) Unlock the phone in the next OTA in the next few days. They may have the unlock ready but they are tidying up some final bug fixes in the SAME OTA.
(2) They want to release one more OTA before they unlock... so it may not be in the next one but will likely be in the following.
That's my guess.
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This makes no sense at all. They could easily kill two birds with one stone and unlock during one of the OTAs to fix a bug. We don't need bugs fixed before the unlock. The reality is that once it is unlocked, our devs will take care of bugs in much shorter order than they (HTC) will. And in reality, once rooted, I will probably eliminate half of the bloatware that contains the bugs. So there will be nothing for me (and many others) to fix at that point.
The reality is that this is a simple task. They merely need to hand over the key. They fact that they are stalling leads me to believe they have sinister plans.
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yes our devs could squash bugs quicker, but our devs also arent liable.. if HTC releases an update that unlocks all of our phones, and the next day they all brick, due to a rush, then we all get free phones.. our devs rush a release of something and it bricks, oops, your bad for flashing it.. so it makes sense that they would want this tested, as well as they should make sure the phone is working properly before they unlock it.. it will be unlocked, just give it time.. if they unlock it today, and something screws up, we will all jump on the "HTC sucks for screwing up my device train"..
I think people are just being way too paranoid. I mean, it's not even been a week since the phone's been released!
Sometimes, it's best to use separate stones to kill two birds. XDA developer bug fixes may not be in alignment with future HTC updates. Granted, you'd be rooted, but if it means having to completely redo bug fixes that should have been fixed already, when updating any new roms from HTC, you're doing twice the work.
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This makes no sense at all. They could easily kill two birds with one stone and unlock during one of the OTAs to fix a bug. We don't need bugs fixed before the unlock. The reality is that once it is unlocked, our devs will take care of bugs in much shorter order than they (HTC) will. And in reality, once rooted, I will probably eliminate half of the bloatware that contains the bugs. So there will be nothing for me (and many others) to fix at that point.
The reality is that this is a simple task. They merely need to hand over the key. They fact that they are stalling leads me to believe they have sinister plans.
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Really? No sense, huh? This unlock is more than the snap of a finger, it takes time. That said, push bug fix updates AQAP and don't delay them by trying to bundle in the bootloader unlock. More people want a phone that works than the number that care about the bootloader. Of course they don't want to release their private key, they want to just release and OTA unlock that does not reveal their key at all. If this still doesn't make sense to you then I won't even bother responding to you next time because we obviously think in very different ways and there is no more I can say to try to explain this.
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Really? No sense, huh? This unlock is more than the snap of a finger, it takes time. That said, push bug fix updates AQAP and don't delay them by trying to bundle in the bootloader unlock. More people want a phone that works than the number that care about the bootloader. Of course they don't want to release their private key, they want to just release and OTA unlock that does not reveal their key at all. If this still doesn't make sense to you then I won't even bother responding to you next time because we obviously think in very different ways and there is no more I can say to try to explain this.
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Actually, if you think about it, what is the point of guarding the key? If it is going to be unlocked, it is unlocked. The key to lock it isn't important anymore. If they want to lock future devices (which they said they don't), they could just create a new key.
In fact, the least risky thing for them to do would be to publish the key and tell people they get no warranty if they unlock it themselves... and that it would only be warrantied if they had a sprint rep do it.
There are so many ways they could do it fast and do it right. There is no excuse for the delay.
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Actually, if you think about it, what is the point of guarding the key? If it is going to be unlocked, it is unlocked. The key to lock it isn't important anymore. If they want to lock future devices (which they said they don't), they could just create a new key.
In fact, the least risky thing for them to do would be to publish the key and tell people they get no warranty if they unlock it themselves... and that it would only be warrantied if they had a sprint rep do it.
There are so many ways they could do it fast and do it right. There is no excuse for the delay.
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100% Agreed.
Releasing 'just the key' would also keep the barrier to entry relatively high. There are now thousands (tens of thousands? hundreds of thousands?) of people who have learned about 'root and bootloader thing' who are going to want in, even though they will not understand it...too easy of a solution and there will be bricks left and right even though it is not just easy to avoid a brick it is damn hard to achieve one...don't flash the wrong phone's radio, gotcha....(why not crypto-sign those, but I digress)
Not to mention that every single day that ticks past that we do not have root we are losing developers. The evo4g had this utterly amazing community behind it because the phone had buzz, it was delivered on time, it has awesome hardware and IT WAS ROOTED A WEEK OR TWO BEFORE RELEASE....I rooted mine in the radio shack parking lot on release day at 5:30am....we had mods later that day, roms later that week....this smart-phone business is fast-paced...sure, a lot of people are saying 'Just be patient', but, our community (that is currently just a rampaging mob) hasn't even formed yet and the time is ticking, more compelling devices are weeks away--WITHOUT LOCKS....if we get unlocked in 2 months, well, it won't be anything like the evo4g scene.
I will return my phone on the 23rd of July....Why did I buy it knowing full well it would be locked? They said it would be unlocked, and if done in a reasonable amount of time (which I believe 29 days to be) it is a device I would want and that would be a community I would want to be a part of...but that window is closing, constantly. I love the phone, but, I'm following the developers...screw the companies. They are supposed to work towards OUR satisfaction.
I'd bet its delayed because they are building in some kind of mind control function.
yep, that's my guess HTC is trying to turn us into zombies.
that or maybe it just takes time for the EVO 3D time to code it and all the bug fixes as well.
but I'm pretty sure its the zombie thing.
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I'd bet its delayed because they are building in some kind of mind control function.
yep, that's my guess HTC is trying to turn us into zombies.
that or maybe it just takes time for the EVO 3D time to code it and all the bug fixes as well.
but I'm pretty sure its the zombie thing.
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+1 zombies makes total sense
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that or maybe it just takes time for the EVO 3D time to code it and all the bug fixes as well.
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The only time it take to release the key is the time it takes for them to post it. 1 hour max. Well worth it to stop the bad PR spam they are getting on their FB wall.
Ok i am not trying to be ignorant but is it really that important to have root so fast? I always wanted to root my phone but never did because I was under the assumption that most roms did not fully work completely. Like some couldn't record video or the 4g wasn't working or some other key features didn't work. Like I said I am just assuming and could totally be wrong.
I figure with apple it's a lost cause to begin with. I guess it's just how they want it. they want to limit the people to what they deem is good enough for iOS
but google and AOSP on the other hand...
it's an open enviroment with the source code publicly available.
why won't google allow the devices to come pre rooted?
it's like buying a windows PC, but you can't access the windows folder, or linux with no root access (no sudo)
It makes me think because of possible security breaches and possible lawsuits? but if that's the case, it would have happened with linux and windows machines that allow root access...
just got me curious...
what's the method to the madness here?
Its up to carriers and OEMs. Google has no say in the matter. On Nexus phones it is damn easy to root phones and the Nexus One practically was prerooted.
Google doesnt stop anyone from selling phones prerooted, in fact, I would assume they encourage it.
I've been wondering this for a while now actually.
I think I'd be tempted to punch the poor guy who sold me a windows computer with no admin access..
Why do we (as a culture) not get outraged we aren't suppose to have full access to our phones?
Being totally honest here.. the "you could mess something up" logic doesn't work for me..Try telling any computer user who has had to use admin access for *ANYTHING* that..
Agreed. Google really is a company for their consumers. As stated above I'd assume they'd have pre-rooted phones. Though, I wouldn't think it'd be up to the carrier, more so the manufacturer. The carrier usually has to do with their bloatware. HTC made a statement in May saying their new phones after said statment will have unlocked bootloaders (they haven't kept that by the way). Rooting is easy though, its just cracking though bootloaders that allows custom roms, now that's the issue, especially Motorola devices.
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perhaps when it's rooted, people will 'customize' it too much, causing too much warranty replacements, and the manuf doesn't wanna deal with it?
I assume they void this risk by making it so that it's hard and pita to root it, and causing void of warranty, so they aren't responsible when the phone is bricked.
but it's not like if I destroy my windows on my computer, dell will come and fix it. (they do provide the tech support though I think? I don't know)
problem is, we're a sue happy country. so... I think that has alot to do with it.
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perhaps when it's rooted, people will 'customize' it too much, causing too much warranty replacements, and the manuf doesn't wanna deal with it?
I assume they void this risk by making it so that it's hard and pita to root it, and causing void of warranty, so they aren't responsible when the phone is bricked.
but it's not like if I destroy my windows on my computer, dell will come and fix it. (they do provide the tech support though I think? I don't know)
problem is, we're a sue happy country. so... I think that has alot to do with it.
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youve pretty much nailed it. almost.
99% of PHONE users do not mod and do not need/should have access to things that can prevent their phone from working anymore.
Imagine just being some dumb-ass, who 'pocket dials' deleting system apps, or the phone.apk... or is 'deleting the garbage' in download folder.. BUT its NOT the download folder... oops!
but you are no normal dumb-ass, you own a multi-million dollar company, and you cant receive or make time sensitive calls!!!?? because you accidentally deleted important stuff in your pocket... that IS a law suit.
remember this is a PHONE, not a computer.
tabets you have a case...
There should be a option when you first boot (or reflash) more or less like this:
Do you want to root your phone?
Root is used by advanced users and developers. If you don't know what this means, press 'No'.
Yes////// No
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The biggest issue lies with the carriers and manufacturers, not Google. The carriers don't want you to use wireless tethering without paying them for it. The manufacturers don't want to replace phones broken by some idiot that doesn't know how to read.
I agree that most users don't know what root is and have no business modifying system files. However, it would be nice if all phones were as easy to root as Nexus phones. Just OEM unlock and be done with it. Unfortunately folks would catch on and tethering would skyrocket. The carriers can't have that.
There's also the issue of malicious apps. On a non-rooted phone, an app can only access so much data and its permissions are laid out in plain text upon install. On a rooted phone, an app without any permissions can access the same data. People are used to always accepting when Windows prompts them for admin access, and they'd do the same when prompted for Superuser access. I wish all of the root methods released, specifically the automated ones, required you to pass a test before rooting. There are too many people rooting their phones and then getting into a jam because they were too lazy to read.
I feel like the number of uneducated root users would drop if carriers and manufacturers would do a few things. If carriers made tethering plans affordable, people wouldn't root just for that reason. If manufacturers made bloatware uninstallable - not stuff like phone.apk or systemui.apk, but the apps that can be downloaded from the market or aren't necessary for the phone to run - then less people would root for that reason. You'd also get less obnoxious reviews on the market saying "omfg like I can't uninstall it you suck I'd give it zero stars if I could" that lower the rating on well developed apps.
Okay, end rant.
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plainjane said:
There's also the issue of malicious apps. On a non-rooted phone, an app can only access so much data and its permissions are laid out in plain text upon install. On a rooted phone, an app without any permissions can access the same data. People are used to always accepting when Windows prompts them for admin access, and they'd do the same when prompted for Superuser access.
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Agreed, with a rooted phone you'll definitely have a less secure system if you don't know how to use it correctly. This point alone makes it not worth to give root access to normal users imo. I'm an app developer and I can say that I manage fine without a rooted phone and I have absolutely no need to root either, so far...
I can add that I don't live in US either so I don't know what kind of limitations you are bypassing there by rooting but that WiFi tethering is no problem for me without root access.
We have three options.. the second being most probable.
One:
I've spent the better part of the last few days trying to figure out how to root this device. I've gotten down to the fact that we can add most .zip files into our recovery and it'll try to run them.
Sadly.. they are all unsigned (except for the asus official ones) as i do not have the private key and i've searched with a hex editor on that zip for ANY clues for many hours.. i have given up hope on that. We need to get an unlocked BL that allows unsigned APKs.. or the key..then i could create an app to just make it so much easier! but alas..
Second Option
Pray the devs at androidroot.mobi want to work on the TP and get NVFLASH working. This is the most probable way..it would allow custom roms to be flashed.. to which we have incorporated root.. then we could throw CWM into the recovery partition and we're golden
Third Option
Someone another hole (like the gingerbreak method) is found in ICS
Anyone else heard anything?
I read the blog at androidroot.mobi, and I am not encouraged.
No one gives me grief if I OC my home PC, no one says anything about any warranty being voided if I install my own software, and that's even on the closed architecture brand names (HP, Compaq, Dell, etc) if I'm stupid enough to buy one.
So I see this as nothing but a power/money grab by this industry. Sure, all other mobile devices have had proprietary, closed source, OSs on them until Android.
But it's not that way any more. And I'm seriously wondering if a class action lawsuit can set this straight.
Screw saying "Mother, may I?" on something I paid $500 or more for. Or paid $10 or less for, for that matter. It's a matter of principle at this point.
They are in a particularly weak position on a wifi tablet; at least they could argue for phones that carriers were subsidising them and wanted control for that reason, but there's little case for it here. The RazorClaw exploit should have been fixed since it could have been used for malware, but flashing new firmware is a pretty deliberate act. I'm sure the objections are that they don't want to support devices bricked by tinkering, but I imagine most would be fine with that being considered to be at your own risk.
HTC show that it's possible for companies to be persuaded to unlock the bootloader, of course, if there's enough pressure... not saying that's necessarily likely with Asus though.
I really hope this can be resolved or these guys are able to find a way around it again. It seems really silly why I can't load whatever I want on it...
I just purchased one of these and if it can't rooted and rom'd, I guess it'll be going back to BestBuy.
we still have to give it time. this product literally just rolled out. also add to the fact that its very hard to get one since in such high demand. have to give developers/hackers time to mess around with this. it hasn't even really been a full 2 weeks since anyone had this in their possession. with a device as powerful as this, we can count on root being available sooner than later. once it does, would be well worth the wait. 4 overclocked cores to 1.8-2Ghz a piece or more oh the joys...lol optimized roms, optimized/increased power on GPU CM9
It's the latest and greatest android device on the market.... if it doesn't get root something is very wrong lol
My SGSII HercuDom needs more w00t. It always needs more w00t!
So this is my first foray into the android tablet scene, but been using android phones for awhile now. Does the TFP have an encrypted bootloader?
Cm9 would/will be sweet but I'd flip for a tab opted miui rom on the prime.
BixBix78 said:
Cm9 would/will be sweet but I'd flip for a tab opted miui rom on the prime.
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Initially, my reaction to MIUI was "if I wanted that interface, I'd buy a product with iOS". But then I used it on my phone for a while, and was completely sold. The battery life was astounding on my Thunderbolt. The *huge* amount of themes available for MIUI, all of which change the entire aspect of the interface (not just icons and the dock), really sold me. Plus, it was smoother than any other ROM I had tried to date, including CM7.
I would be absolutely stoked to have MIUI running on the Prime...
Col.Kernel said:
It's a matter of principle at this point.
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Exactly. (I don't know about a class action suit but...)
This is my machine. If I want to change the name of a folder I should be allowed to. I want to see all files. Don't hide them from me. I am an admin of my own devices and I don't appreciate being treated like a luser.
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we still have to give it time. this product literally just rolled out. also add to the fact that its very hard to get one since in such high demand. have to give developers/hackers time to mess around with this. it hasn't even really been a full 2 weeks since anyone had this in their possession. with a device as powerful as this, we can count on root being available sooner than later. once it does, would be well worth the wait. 4 overclocked cores to 1.8-2Ghz a piece or more oh the joys...lol optimized roms, optimized/increased power on GPU CM9
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+1 cm9 on this device overclocked to 2.0 = mind f**ked
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+1 cm9 on this device overclocked to 2.0 = mind f**ked
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I'm drooling over the thought of overclocking this quad-core to 2.0ghz. Will need some way of having a permanant charging cable connected though .
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I'm drooling over the thought of overclocking this quad-core to 2.0ghz. Will need some way of having a permanant charging cable connected though .
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Depends how the room is optimized will certainly need battery tweaks and such but yes I'm drooling over it to
i dont know much about the rooting with androod devices but is there anything really different about the prime that qould make it more difficult to root then other devices? And if so has there been any other devices like it before thats been able to get rooted?
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i dont know much about the rooting with androod devices but is there anything really different about the prime that qould make it more difficult to root then other devices? And if so has there been any other devices like it before thats been able to get rooted?
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Secure boot loader which seems to handle all of the writing to system partitions. but there isn't much info about. It's not clear to me what level of escalation is possible at all without finding exploits.
Has anyone tried to root with Razorclaw and then install Voodoo OTA RootKeeper before the update?
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Has anyone tried to root with Razorclaw and then install Voodoo OTA RootKeeper before the update?
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Before the update it was rootable after the update its not
phunk311 said:
Has anyone tried to root with Razorclaw and then install Voodoo OTA RootKeeper before the update?
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Quite a few posts about this. Been tired, only work son select few Primes that had shipped to reviewers and other lucky few. As far as we know all Primes sold now are shipping with OTA that is not rootable.
On TF101 you could install older update in order to make it rootable. But I suppose if there was none before the (yet) unrootable one, there is no update to try it. I'm not goint to buy a device with Android that is not rootable. Especially now when ICS is open sourced.
we dont have any older updates available for us
the update patched the method it was using to root in the first place
Hi everyone,
I've been looking forward to upgrading from my Photon to the GN3. So I've been on the forum trying to read through everything posted at the early stages for the GN3 and I have a question about this Knox program. When I finally get my phone, hopefully on the 4th, should I install or accept the Knox set up? I know at some point that I will probably want to root like everyone else, but I don't want to limit myself or blow the ability to root later by accepting or setting this up on initial start up. Thanks for your patience with this senior citizen noob!
To me the most logical route would be NOT to do anything Knox related whatsoever. Don't accept anything, don't run anything, don't even say the word when looking at your phone!!!! Heck, if you say it you might activate it!!! It does have a **** ton of sensors and such!
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To me the most logical route would be NOT to do anything Knox related whatsoever. Don't accept anything, don't run anything, don't even say the word when looking at your phone!!!! Heck, if you say it you might activate it!!! It does have a **** ton of sensors and such!
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And phones are getting the point where you won't want to even think about something.bad.