Could the HTC Flyer's Sense UI be reskinned to be closer to that of the Xoom's?
qipengart said:
Could the HTC Flyer's Sense UI be reskinned to be closer to that of the Xoom's?
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The HTC Flyer doesn't have honeycomb pre installed. You may just have to wait because there is news that there will be a honeycomb update for it so you will have the XOOM's interface after the update....well with HTC Sense.
qipengart said:
Could the HTC Flyer's Sense UI be reskinned to be closer to that of the Xoom's?
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Why would you want to replace sense 3.0 with honeycomb?
If you don't like the look of sense just get another launcher.
I wouldn't be in a big rush to get honeycomb, apps work great but widgets do not, the third party browsers haven't caught up yet, and the standard browser is a crappy cheap one with tabs!
If you look to tomorrow, sense has 1000 more potential uses than honeycomb, if you want a honeycomb tablet now get an Asus Transformer, or wait until July.
mrHD2 said:
Why would you want to replace sense 3.0 with honeycomb?
If you don't like the look of sense just get another launcher.
I wouldn't be in a big rush to get honeycomb, apps work great but widgets do not, the third party browsers haven't caught up yet, and the standard browser is a crappy cheap one with tabs!
If you look to tomorrow, sense has 1000 more potential uses than honeycomb, if you want a honeycomb tablet now get an Asus Transformer, or wait until July.
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Sage advice that will unfortunately be lost on most readers, who assume new=better.
I'm enjoying the xoom!
I miss some of the sense features, and feel the widgets are far behind what is available on my Desire...
But I am using it differently to a phone so I'm just adapting at the moment - would be interested to see Honeycomb w/ Sense though!
I bet it rocks...
It's been a while since I've used Sense, but third party launchers like ADW seem more customizable (i.e. number of rows and columns), IMO. Personally, I'm hoping for more custom roms if / as the device becomes more popular.
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Guys! now I am fed up..seems that they will never release honeycomb upgrade...
Anybody any news???
Try living in the US and being ignored even when it comes to small updates.
Think we'll see Honeycomb around the time the Puccini launches? You'd think, but it really appears that HTC has ignored the Flyer.
Try not being updated since launch.... screw it. Above post is most believable, Honeycomb when Jetstream/Skyrocket/Puccini launches.
We should bother the sh%t outta them about it. Seems to works.
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aostl said:
We should bother the sh%t outta them about it. Seems to works.
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LOL XD, I will call them.
Same here, paid in full for the 32gb 3g tablet on day one to use it for my work (illustration/concept design) because of the n-trig digitizer and form factor... Now 4 months later, i only use it for some dumb web browsing, mail checkin and occasionnal movie watchin, stuff that i could perfectly perform on my phone... The scribe sdk (recently released) seems to be 3.x specific from what i understand... AND NOW I'M MAD AS HELL, FED UP OF WAITING. Feel cheated and insulted by the total lack of communication. Should have wait and go for the upcoming Lenovo Thinkpad tablet with nvidia cpu, full size host usb, fullsize sdcard reader and honeycomb out of the box...
I just wish htc would communicate
If somebody know who to hit (that would matter), i'm down for some good old fashion mass emailing, or any action that would get em to give us a goddamn answer
Nox
noxizmad said:
Same here, paid in full for the 32gb 3g tablet on day one to use it for my work (illustration/concept design) because of the n-trig digitizer and form factor... Now 4 months later, i only use it for some dumb web browsing, mail checkin and occasionnal movie watchin, stuff that i could perfectly perform on my phone... The scribe sdk (recently released) seems to be 3.x specific from what i understand... AND NOW I'M MAD AS HELL, FED UP OF WAITING. Feel cheated and insulted by the total lack of communication. Should have wait and go for the upcoming Lenovo Thinkpad tablet with nvidia cpu, full size host usb, fullsize sdcard reader and honeycomb out of the box...
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With all respect, how did you plan to use your Flyer? For which kind of work? Why do you think the current software is incapable? It would be good if you can share with us.
If you think that you can not use efficiently the current Flyer for your work I am afraid that you will still be disappointed when the Honeycomb comes. IMHO, the Honeycomb will not bring significant changes in the Flyer's productivity.
BTW, Lenovo Thinkpad is 10" tablet which is in a complete different category. And Chinese Lenovo quality in general is worse than HTC's (I own an Lenovo T serie laptop, It's bad). I think HTC Puccini will be better than the Lenovo Tablet.
I 100% agree!! 100%.
It's not that HC will solve all of our issues or bring in Earth shattering functionality. That's not the point nor my immediate concern.
It's the complete lack of communication and the complete lack of backing.
HTC marketed scribe, where are the new apps supporting it? Where is the communication letting users know that supporting apps are coming?
HTC promised honeycomb "shortly after launch", where is it? Where's the communication?
Heck, where are the accessories?
If HTC is going to position themselves as a company that innovates on top of Android, then they have to do better than this...
My recommendation to you guys is to annoy the heck out of them on twitter and on their facebook page... I try to post to them every now and then just to be a pain in the ass
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With all respect, how did you plan to use your Flyer? For which kind of work? Why do you think the current software is incapable? It would be good if you can share with us.
If you think that you can not use efficiently the current Flyer for your work I am afraid that you will still be disappointed when the Honeycomb comes. IMHO, the Honeycomb will not bring significant changes in the Flyer's productivity.
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Sorta have to agree here. After playing with Honeycomb tablets in the stores, I'm wondering what all the fuss is about. Gingerbread + Sense makes the Flyer a wonderful tablet, IMHO.
Yeah, I'd like to see more pen aware apps. But I suspect it's only a matter of time before they start showing up (especially once other manufacturers adopt N-trig pen technology). And even if they don't, the ability to jot down notes is still worth the price of admission, IMHO.
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Sorta have to agree here. After playing with Honeycomb tablets in the stores, I'm wondering what all the fuss is about. Gingerbread + Sense makes the Flyer a wonderful tablet, IMHO.
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I agree here also. All the current HC tablets are laggy. HC has a few cool features, and looks nice. But the eye candy comes at the expense of performance. And none of the HC features missing from Gingerbread are real deal breakers. HTC is probably trying to figure out how to incorporate Sense without making HC even more laggy. Compared to current HC tablets, the Flyer GB experience is smoother and faster in most respects.
blue blue man said:
With all respect, how did you plan to use your Flyer? For which kind of work? Why do you think the current software is incapable? It would be good if you can share with us.
If you think that you can not use efficiently the current Flyer for your work I am afraid that you will still be disappointed when the Honeycomb comes. IMHO, the Honeycomb will not bring significant changes in the Flyer's productivity.
BTW, Lenovo Thinkpad is 10" tablet which is in a complete different category. And Chinese Lenovo quality in general is worse than HTC's (I own an Lenovo T serie laptop, It's bad). I think HTC Puccini will be better than the Lenovo Tablet.
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u may be right, maybe i'm trippin, but i know for sure that Autodesk Sketchbook pro for honeycomb is supposed to support the scribe/n-trig digitizers, so for now unfortunately it feels like this HC update is my best chance to be able to use the flyer as a digital sketchbook. I also keep an anxious eye on that Fresco thread in the meantime, and i sure hope the somebody can make this happen Gingerbread flavor... nobody likes a laggy tablet
for info, i plan to use it to do my preliminary sketches and color studies on the go. The note app combined with evernote may be great for note taking and sketching basic ideas, but misses alot of basic features to call it a painting app (canvas size, simple color mixing/picking, etc...)
i agree about the lenovo feeling pretty cheap compared to htc, but i really like the features, and it should run Sketchbook pro (for instance) with pen pressure out of the box... but i sure like the flyer form factor... i'm just reallyreallyreally frustrated right now...
Anybody knows when pretends HTC offer the Puccini?
September? October? November? Christmast?
I can try wait until Christmast... Not sure...
Depends on the roms...
And of course, i luv this tablet is perfect 4 me
Salu2
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Well, one thing is sure... Anyone of us that have performed the s-off method will not be able to upgrade anyhow! Unless guys here find a way to conform the HTC OTA protocol or HTC add geek allowance into their updates with a warning!
To be honest, I'm with others on here, I've tried HC, and unless HTC have given an even better Sense cover to it, it does not give me any thoughts of upgrade... They still have not fixed PPTP VPN for goodness sake....!
what is actually honeycomb.....
Honeycomb is a new version of Android (3.0) specifically made for tablets. As of now it is laggy, and not fit to run on the Flyer. ICS, is the version after Honeycomb which is to release this fall, and is one OS that runs on both tabs and phones.
Hi,
why isn´t there a rom with android 3.2?
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HTC is probably trying to figure out how to incorporate Sense without making HC even more laggy.
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They have. You can see HTC's UI customizations on the Puccini screenshots.
I received this response yesterday when pushing the issue
@htc: @TheNewDorkTimes The software is in development and we'll post here upon its release. Thank you for asking.” #flyer #honeycomb
again vague....companies like Motorola and HTC are screwing customers with false claims of soon to be released features and updates. This, "sell now and make promises philosophy", is pissing a lot of people off. People take the chance of purchasing the product in good faith expecting they will see what was promised soon. HTC can make great products but I for one will never purchase a product that promises features or capabilities in the near future. I will simply wait for something better or go with a reputable company that actually keeps it word.
I updated my flyer to HC a week ago and its been great but the one thing really bothering me is that I can't seem to get the HTC Widgets like mail, friend stream and news to go full screen! The small Widgets are just not doing it for me. Is there any way to get my Widgets to display full screen again?
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The answer is no. On Honey comb the gird for the displays is wider and taller than GB by design since tablets have larger screens so each widget looks smaller. The one thing I hated about GB Sense was that the widgets took up the entire screen because they were sized for a phone not a tablet.
Edit: You know I say that, but now that I think. Android 3.1 brought re-sizable widgets and during the short time I had HC installed, I don;t remember trying it. What happens if you long press a widget? HTC Sense is not pure Android so it may or may not comply. I removed HC back to GB due to the camera and mail widget problems.
screen real estate is not really maximised with honeycomb. i've come to accept it while this is still a leak.
I have grown to accept it as well. Kind of got used to it. And it kind of feels nice after a while
I know the main leak wasn't, but I'm wondering if anyone has any recommendations on a Honeycomb ROM that's suitable for everyday use? This waiting game is getting really tiresome.
It depends on what you need to be working. All of the HC ROMs have issues with the camera in most apps other than the stock camera app and some issues with the mail widget not updating. Most other functions seem to be pretty solid and the interface looks a lot nicer. Since Google never released the source code for HC the 3rd party developers have no way to fix the bugs and we have to wait for HTC to drop another leak or final release.
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kkinder said:
I know the main leak wasn't, but I'm wondering if anyone has any recommendations on a Honeycomb ROM that's suitable for everyday use? This waiting game is getting really tiresome.
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The question is if you can live with the issues in the leak or not. They are not so big that you can't use it daily. I have it installed since the leak came out and happy with it. Never thought to go back...
For what it's worth....
It's just an operating system. It's like saying "I can't wait until I get Window 7 over Win XP". After the initial installation, and few minutes of "wow, that's cool" it's no big deal.
I had Honeycomb 3.1 on my GTablet and my girlfriend had an Motorola Xoom and it too had HC. IMHO the HTC Flyer is way better with Gingerbread than those with HC.
Just my opinion.
I don't think HC is going to give you any added functionality. If you use your tab for email, movies, web surfing, etc., then just stick to what you have.
Thanks all. Mostly I am looking at the tablet enabled apps, especially swype. But I don't know if I wanna put up with much broken, especially the camera which I actually do use. Thanks for your thoughts.
imp, swype is quite a hassle to use on tablets. Check out thumb keyboard. https://market.android.com/details?id=com.beansoft.keyboardplus&hl=en
I want to know if the pen functionality really impressive within all applications on honeycomb? Or is it just like another capasitive pen on other tablets because lack of pressure sensitivity? Can you feel the difference?
HTC plans to release new tablet next year, promises to be different from others....
http://www.mobileburn.com/17394/new...ext-year-promises-to-be-different-from-others
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Well... I was wrong, I thought HTC would exit the tablet market, so we will see.
If you could add any new features, what would they be??? Other than getting updates on time?
Would you consider going to Windows 8 and dropping Android?
The only feature I want from these manufacturers is to support their products for atleast 18 months. We've discussed fragmentation many times but It's getting a little ridiculous. I despise Samsung for not supporting their products only to find other manufacturers doing the same. Very soon the Flyer will be 2 OS's behind and HTC is planning to release another tablet and vowing to be different???? Hey HTC, if you want to be different give a damn about existing users! All the phones on their official Facebook ICS list are current premium phones that they still want to sell so they made a marketing decision to release a statement so sales of current models don't suffer. It's just business to HTC.
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Yeah, Google attempted to get the manufacturers to commit to that at the last world wide meeting, but they would not. This will continue to be the downside of Android vs. Apple and Microsoft. Goggle is an advertising company, not a software or phone maker.
But, given that, I sat and wondered to myself, beyond *****ing about lack of updates, if I could ask for any new features I wanted, what would I ask for or which applications or widget would I build? I really could not come up with much, which puzzles me, because I feel that the current set of tablets, including IPad really are lacking, but what is it? Honeycomb certainly looks better on tablets than GB and has a few nice features, so that's good. Ice Cream Sandwich for tablets is not vastly different from Honeycomb. It should look a little better on various screen sizes, but what is really there that will make our tablets that much better?
Let's review the top 10 new features for ICS that we know have been announced.
1. New Browser Functionality (like chrome)
Ok, nice, already in HC
2. Face Unlock
cute, maybe I like that, but for a tablet, I really prefer no lock screen , which HC allows.
3. Android Beam
neat, but requires NFC hardware so no help to Flyer or current devices
4. Ice Cream Sandwich's "People" and social network integration
humm, not much different from HTC Sense widgets, but a neat feature
5. Data Management
nice for people on a tiered data pricing plan that need to limit consumption, not of much use for wifi users and sad to see overall because I think this will be the death of tablets and meda streaming
6. New Camera Capabilities to take faster , better photos
Good to see that Android is trying to catch up to Iphone in this area, I bet some of this is hardware dependent.
7. Voice and Speech improvements
not specific, could be a nice enhancement depending on what comes along. Current capabilities and 3rd party apps already pretty good.
8. Native Screenshots
yawn... can do already
9. Widget Management, resize
Honeycomb already does this if HTC doesn't screw it up with Sense
10. New User Interface
yawn .... nice for phones, but ICS looks pretty much the same as Honeycomb.
I hear you but the Flyer has excellent hardware already, the only thing I wish it had is a flash for the camera. The other features I like are built into Honeycomb and ICS so the ball is still in their court.
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By the way the feature that I've been after since Eclair is now part of ICS. The ability to disable apps without root thus removing it from the app drawer.
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lrs421 said:
By the way the feature that I've been after since Eclair is now part of ICS. The ability to disable apps without root thus removing it from the app drawer.
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That's a good one and I like it. It's been a available for a long time in 3rd party launchers like LauncherPro and ADW, as have resizeable and scrollable widgets, but Sense kind of ties our hands on the launcher. The 3rd party launchers were far better than the Android stock launcher in Froyo and GB. Hope that Sense does not mangle the HC and ICS capabilities there.
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That's a good one and I like it. It's been a available for a long time in 3rd party launchers like LauncherPro and ADW, as have resizeable and scrollable widgets, but Sense kind of ties our hands on the launcher. The 3rd party launchers were far better than the Android stock launcher in Froyo and GB. Hope that Sense does not mangle the HC and ICS capabilities there.
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The problem with 3rd party launchers is that they hide the apps, this native ICS feature is supposed to disable the app, similar to freezing it with tibu. I hope HTC doesnt mangle that one either, we'll see.
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I'll have stab at suggesting something: if the stock browser could be capable of keeping playing the audio of one 'tab' whilst we view a different one (does dolphin browser do this?). Then it'd be possible to listen to a TED talk for example AND look at summat else like xdadevelopers... like in windows and mac desktop/laptops etc...
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lrs421 said:
The problem with 3rd party launchers is that they hide the apps, this native ICS feature is supposed to disable the app, similar to freezing it with tibu. I hope HTC doesnt mangle that one either, we'll see.
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Yes that's true, but I don't have much occasion for apps that would run in the background that I want to disable and still keep installed. Might be useful though, I have to think about that more.
usb host?
DigitalMD said:
Yeah, Google attempted to get the manufacturers to commit to that at the last world wide meeting, but they would not. This will continue to be the downside of Android vs. Apple and Microsoft. Goggle is an advertising company, not a software or phone maker.
But, given that, I sat and wondered to myself, beyond *****ing about lack of updates, if I could ask for any new features I wanted, what would I ask for or which applications or widget would I build? I really could not come up with much, which puzzles me, because I feel that the current set of tablets, including IPad really are lacking, but what is it? Honeycomb certainly looks better on tablets than GB and has a few nice features, so that's good. Ice Cream Sandwich for tablets is not vastly different from Honeycomb. It should look a little better on various screen sizes, but what is really there that will make our tablets that much better?
Let's review the top 10 new features for ICS that we know have been announced.
1. New Browser Functionality (like chrome)
Ok, nice, already in HC
2. Face Unlock
cute, maybe I like that, but for a tablet, I really prefer no lock screen , which HC allows.
3. Android Beam
neat, but requires NFC hardware so no help to Flyer or current devices
4. Ice Cream Sandwich's "People" and social network integration
humm, not much different from HTC Sense widgets, but a neat feature
5. Data Management
nice for people on a tiered data pricing plan that need to limit consumption, not of much use for wifi users and sad to see overall because I think this will be the death of tablets and meda streaming
6. New Camera Capabilities to take faster , better photos
Good to see that Android is trying to catch up to Iphone in this area, I bet some of this is hardware dependent.
7. Voice and Speech improvements
not specific, could be a nice enhancement depending on what comes along. Current capabilities and 3rd party apps already pretty good.
8. Native Screenshots
yawn... can do already
9. Widget Management, resize
Honeycomb already does this if HTC doesn't screw it up with Sense
10. New User Interface
yawn .... nice for phones, but ICS looks pretty much the same as Honeycomb.
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what is about usb host?
Elfuente said:
what is about usb host?
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USB host is hardware dependent, not all phones will support it.
The Flyer supports it in Honeycomb and will support it in ICS if it comes too.
The flyer is great little tab with a razor tight res screen and plenty fast enough single core CPU.
But its also semi orphaned since its too old for HTC to be expected to devote resources to an ICS upgrade.
So its kind of weird where all the ROM Development has switched to Android 3.0 which the consensus says runs so unsatisfactorilly on a Flyer that devs have released downgrades back to Android 2.3.x
What a mess. Do the custom 3.0 ROMs fix the probs? If so why all the down grades.
Apologies if this was dealt with somewhere but I searched, a link to same much appreciated
I would disagree that honeycomb is a mess but yes that opinion has been started by others. Performance appears to be a matter of opinion round these parts. If you really don't like honeycomb it is unlikely that any of the roms will make you happy
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For me i like HC. Its performance was always good on mine Flyer. I used Leedroid 4.3 ROM. Pen full suport. nice Sense 3.0. Tablet look, a lot more nice widget suported. However, bluetooth gsm calls r not suported. I am using flyer as phone as well so this was an isue for me. Not for ppl with wifi flers thow.
So atm downgraded on GB. BT calls works great. Pen ofc only suported in note. Look is more as a phone and sense isnt as nice as in HC. Less apps suported. Performance might be slightlly better but nothing of worth puting as pro or contra.
ATM w8ing on and keeping x fingers for ICS developers to solve all the starting isues.
I never bothered with HoneyComb. I saw that there was less app support in HC (for example no HBO Go, and no MaxGo) and I decided to at least wait until app support appeared (thus far it has not).
I probably won't bother with custom ROMS, as I'm very picky and have never found a custom ROM on any previous device of mine that didn't have a few bugs or hiccups.
For honeycomb, Senseless 4.0 is fast as hell. Chaos's AOKP ICS rom is even faster, but its in its early stages ATM, so be prepared for bugs. If your willing to deal with that, its a great rom!
Honestly, I don't like Gb to be used in the Flyer (I don't like to see my tablet like a "Monster Phone"). Hc custom rom like Leedroid and Senseless are fast, but not so smooth like Chaos's rom. If the Flyer is Your primary device I think Hc must be the solution, otherwise You can contribute to Ics development and debugging
(I must dust off my bad English... )
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I would disagree that honeycomb is a mess but yes that opinion has been started by others. Performance appears to be a matter of opinion round these parts. If you really don't like honeycomb it is unlikely that any of the roms will make you happy
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+1 to all this. It works fine for me, and I'm happy with it. I'll upgrade to ICS if we get a full working release but if we don't I won't cry. Try them all it's safe, and decide which one works best for you.
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+1 to all this. It works fine for me, and I'm happy with it. I'll upgrade to ICS if we get a full working release but if we don't I won't cry. Try them all it's safe, and decide which one works best for you.
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I would disagree that honeycomb is a mess but yes that opinion has been started by others. Performance appears to be a matter of opinion round these parts. If you really don't like honeycomb it is unlikely that any of the roms will make you happy
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+1 to both, the HC ROMS work great as long as they are modified correctly, for example MY ROM works with a few init.d Scripts and a couple of RAM scripts and as far as i can tell it runs like a dream, at least not many bugs have been brought to my attention.
My personal opinion of GB ist that it makes the TAB look like a GIANT PHONE, and that just annoys me because it is not a giant phone its a TABLET
Anyway RANT OVER and POINT MADE
I can honestly say I'm done with gingerbread on my flyer now. It ran pretty solid but I hated the big phone feel. Using the Sense launcher and apps helped, but it didn't help the gingerbread appearance of the google apps like youtube, gmail, google search, gvoice, Gtalk, etc.
Being on stock honeycomb isn't terrible depending on what you use it for, but it is noticeably slower than gingerbread. And if you want to play graphic intensive games like shadowgun, modern combat, etc forget it on stock honeycomb. They'll run, and I guess they are technically playable but they lag and hit frame rate slowdowns constantly.
But as ioiwillioi said, honeycomb can be pretty solid with the right amount of tweaking and he's done just that. His roms are every bit as quick if not quicker than the gingerbread roms we have. Overall honeycomb is the better OS for the tablet, it just has the tablet feel. You feel more like your running an android powered computer, not a gigantic phone. Gingerbread and earlier versions of android were never meant to run on tablets.
Why I like the Gingerbread interface
Why I like the Gingerbread interface
I like the original HTC Sense interface
I like the additional connectivity of this device as a desk speakerphone via Google Voice (no phone plan needed!)
The device hardware was built for Gingerbread, not Honeycomb.
Honeycomb didn't bring any significant new usefulness to the device.
Unlike the upgrade from Eclair to Froyo, this upgrade didn't open the door for flash support or any other key technology breakthrough (for most people).
I'd compare it to an upgrade from Windows XP to Vista, or Windows 98 to ME. Most people will prefer the former option.