HTC plans to release new tablet next year, promises to be different from others....
http://www.mobileburn.com/17394/new...ext-year-promises-to-be-different-from-others
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Well... I was wrong, I thought HTC would exit the tablet market, so we will see.
If you could add any new features, what would they be??? Other than getting updates on time?
Would you consider going to Windows 8 and dropping Android?
The only feature I want from these manufacturers is to support their products for atleast 18 months. We've discussed fragmentation many times but It's getting a little ridiculous. I despise Samsung for not supporting their products only to find other manufacturers doing the same. Very soon the Flyer will be 2 OS's behind and HTC is planning to release another tablet and vowing to be different???? Hey HTC, if you want to be different give a damn about existing users! All the phones on their official Facebook ICS list are current premium phones that they still want to sell so they made a marketing decision to release a statement so sales of current models don't suffer. It's just business to HTC.
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Yeah, Google attempted to get the manufacturers to commit to that at the last world wide meeting, but they would not. This will continue to be the downside of Android vs. Apple and Microsoft. Goggle is an advertising company, not a software or phone maker.
But, given that, I sat and wondered to myself, beyond *****ing about lack of updates, if I could ask for any new features I wanted, what would I ask for or which applications or widget would I build? I really could not come up with much, which puzzles me, because I feel that the current set of tablets, including IPad really are lacking, but what is it? Honeycomb certainly looks better on tablets than GB and has a few nice features, so that's good. Ice Cream Sandwich for tablets is not vastly different from Honeycomb. It should look a little better on various screen sizes, but what is really there that will make our tablets that much better?
Let's review the top 10 new features for ICS that we know have been announced.
1. New Browser Functionality (like chrome)
Ok, nice, already in HC
2. Face Unlock
cute, maybe I like that, but for a tablet, I really prefer no lock screen , which HC allows.
3. Android Beam
neat, but requires NFC hardware so no help to Flyer or current devices
4. Ice Cream Sandwich's "People" and social network integration
humm, not much different from HTC Sense widgets, but a neat feature
5. Data Management
nice for people on a tiered data pricing plan that need to limit consumption, not of much use for wifi users and sad to see overall because I think this will be the death of tablets and meda streaming
6. New Camera Capabilities to take faster , better photos
Good to see that Android is trying to catch up to Iphone in this area, I bet some of this is hardware dependent.
7. Voice and Speech improvements
not specific, could be a nice enhancement depending on what comes along. Current capabilities and 3rd party apps already pretty good.
8. Native Screenshots
yawn... can do already
9. Widget Management, resize
Honeycomb already does this if HTC doesn't screw it up with Sense
10. New User Interface
yawn .... nice for phones, but ICS looks pretty much the same as Honeycomb.
I hear you but the Flyer has excellent hardware already, the only thing I wish it had is a flash for the camera. The other features I like are built into Honeycomb and ICS so the ball is still in their court.
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By the way the feature that I've been after since Eclair is now part of ICS. The ability to disable apps without root thus removing it from the app drawer.
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lrs421 said:
By the way the feature that I've been after since Eclair is now part of ICS. The ability to disable apps without root thus removing it from the app drawer.
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That's a good one and I like it. It's been a available for a long time in 3rd party launchers like LauncherPro and ADW, as have resizeable and scrollable widgets, but Sense kind of ties our hands on the launcher. The 3rd party launchers were far better than the Android stock launcher in Froyo and GB. Hope that Sense does not mangle the HC and ICS capabilities there.
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That's a good one and I like it. It's been a available for a long time in 3rd party launchers like LauncherPro and ADW, as have resizeable and scrollable widgets, but Sense kind of ties our hands on the launcher. The 3rd party launchers were far better than the Android stock launcher in Froyo and GB. Hope that Sense does not mangle the HC and ICS capabilities there.
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The problem with 3rd party launchers is that they hide the apps, this native ICS feature is supposed to disable the app, similar to freezing it with tibu. I hope HTC doesnt mangle that one either, we'll see.
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I'll have stab at suggesting something: if the stock browser could be capable of keeping playing the audio of one 'tab' whilst we view a different one (does dolphin browser do this?). Then it'd be possible to listen to a TED talk for example AND look at summat else like xdadevelopers... like in windows and mac desktop/laptops etc...
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The problem with 3rd party launchers is that they hide the apps, this native ICS feature is supposed to disable the app, similar to freezing it with tibu. I hope HTC doesnt mangle that one either, we'll see.
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Yes that's true, but I don't have much occasion for apps that would run in the background that I want to disable and still keep installed. Might be useful though, I have to think about that more.
usb host?
DigitalMD said:
Yeah, Google attempted to get the manufacturers to commit to that at the last world wide meeting, but they would not. This will continue to be the downside of Android vs. Apple and Microsoft. Goggle is an advertising company, not a software or phone maker.
But, given that, I sat and wondered to myself, beyond *****ing about lack of updates, if I could ask for any new features I wanted, what would I ask for or which applications or widget would I build? I really could not come up with much, which puzzles me, because I feel that the current set of tablets, including IPad really are lacking, but what is it? Honeycomb certainly looks better on tablets than GB and has a few nice features, so that's good. Ice Cream Sandwich for tablets is not vastly different from Honeycomb. It should look a little better on various screen sizes, but what is really there that will make our tablets that much better?
Let's review the top 10 new features for ICS that we know have been announced.
1. New Browser Functionality (like chrome)
Ok, nice, already in HC
2. Face Unlock
cute, maybe I like that, but for a tablet, I really prefer no lock screen , which HC allows.
3. Android Beam
neat, but requires NFC hardware so no help to Flyer or current devices
4. Ice Cream Sandwich's "People" and social network integration
humm, not much different from HTC Sense widgets, but a neat feature
5. Data Management
nice for people on a tiered data pricing plan that need to limit consumption, not of much use for wifi users and sad to see overall because I think this will be the death of tablets and meda streaming
6. New Camera Capabilities to take faster , better photos
Good to see that Android is trying to catch up to Iphone in this area, I bet some of this is hardware dependent.
7. Voice and Speech improvements
not specific, could be a nice enhancement depending on what comes along. Current capabilities and 3rd party apps already pretty good.
8. Native Screenshots
yawn... can do already
9. Widget Management, resize
Honeycomb already does this if HTC doesn't screw it up with Sense
10. New User Interface
yawn .... nice for phones, but ICS looks pretty much the same as Honeycomb.
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what is about usb host?
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what is about usb host?
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USB host is hardware dependent, not all phones will support it.
The Flyer supports it in Honeycomb and will support it in ICS if it comes too.
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I was wondering how many of you might be put off by the fact that the Flyer is shipping with Gingerbread and not Honeycomb - even though it will get Honeycomb later.
Appreciate the feedback.
I love the idea of the scribe technology, but considering how small it is and battery life....plus it is not shipping with Honeycomb and the price is going to be higher than comparable devices....
It's sad as I have owned only HTC phones. I love their quality.
The scribe technology I LOVE! I can see so many added benefits of this - especially in syncing with Evernote. I also see a benefit with those having children.
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I love the idea of the scribe technology,
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There were some internal docs from either bestbuy or costco that were reporting a 10.1" screen edition as well later in the summer.
I'd pay top dollar for Scribe + 10.1". There is a serious dearth of handwriting systems for android. Now if we could just get an OCR input system (e.g. Graffiti for the old Palm PDAs). I've seen a demo of scribe, and it doesn't look like it does input analog>digital, maybe I'm missing something. Still better than nothing.
There was also one more interesting quip about Android 3.0 in Eldar’s article. According to him, if a hardware partner releases the tablet on Android 2.x version of OS, as per licensing agreement for Android 3.0, they are not allowed to update Android 2.x tablets to 3.0 version.
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so if the news(rumors) are true, htc flyer won't be getting any honeycomb due to licensing issues?
source: http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/03/27/google-nexus-tablet-with-android-3-x-to-be-made-by-lg-android-2-x-tablets-wont-upgrade-to-3-0/
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so if the news(rumors) are true, htc flyer won't be getting any honeycomb due to licensing issues?
source: http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/03/27/google-nexus-tablet-with-android-3-x-to-be-made-by-lg-android-2-x-tablets-wont-upgrade-to-3-0/
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I'd say that is probably just a rumour. I've not heard it from any other source. The article at unwiredreview is the only article that author has written and his dubious source of information is a Russian website that he links to
Also this from a far more reliable source:
From @HTC
@Farhadinho Absolutely. We are committed to offering a Honeycomb upgrade as soon as possible after Flyer's release.
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Edit: Whether or not Google are restricting froyo-honeycomb upgrades, it seems the Flyer has got the green light:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/HTC-...r&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter_web
What's all the hype over Honeycomb? I mean, what features do you gain other than all the overhype of being "tablet optimized. "
From my experience with the Xoom, tablet optimized means crashes at will and won't run crap......
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swedishcancerboi said:
What's all the hype over Honeycomb? I mean, what features do you gain other than all the overhype of being "tablet optimized. "
From my experience with the Xoom, tablet optimized means crashes at will and won't run crap......
Tabbed on my Galaxy 987
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I agreee - I'd rather wait for a stable version.
The Xoom is a worst case scenario. Made by Motorola, released prematurely.
The main benefit I see from Honeycomb is apps which are designed to run on larger screens, instead or "over-inflated" phone apps
Great I can't wait, however....
I can't wait for this tablet to come to market. Ofcourse there will be things I do not like, one is the fact it is not a phone. It is a tablet, and I want a tablet also to be a phone. Since it has 3g enabled I think a phone application is not hard to install. Any ideas on this?
Was all for the flyer as I'm a massive HTC fan ,but just ordered the ASUS transformer as it suits my want for a tablet and the need for a net book for the kids and it has honeycomb already and has good reviews
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Won't be buying due to the fact that I already have a galaxy tab (Big Mistake!!) Although the design and ui of the flyer look good, along with the fact that htc are good with updates, and a lot of people I have talked too like the pen. Not sure about the onlive myself due to the fact that you have to use a onlive controller (what are you meant to do with the tablet if the controller is in both hands?)
http://twitter.com/htc/status/60125525049491456
From HTC's twitter, in response to my questions about the Flyer. They are saying it will get a Honeycomb update.
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Not sure about the onlive myself due to the fact that you have to use a onlive controller (what are you meant to do with the tablet if the controller is in both hands?)
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The idea is that you stream the game to your tv, so the flyer just replaces the normal onlive box that is sold, playing games on the flyer screen is also possible, but i agree that it sounds somewhat difficult :/ maybe they are going to sell some sort of case/stand like the Xoom and iPad have
but yes all the rumors suggest (from staples leaked sheets that a 10 and 8.9 inch honeycomb tablet from htc are coming this june, maybe thats when flyer will get update
id like to see what they do to sense considering there is that base bar on the honeycomb though
HTC Flyer (Evo View)
I'm disappointed in HTC's first tablet. Just the screen size is what disappoints me. Wondering why they dont add the 3D into it like the G-Slate has, after all they are coming out with a new EVO3d that i will be picking up once released!. Companies are struggling to separate themselves from everyone else when these android tablets are going to start looking identical, but HTC has their SenseUI and now Scribe which in my book gives them the edge! I'm just excited to see what happens with 3rd party firmware tweaking for performance to eliminate the possibility of skipping. MikFroyo and Fresh both have wonderful Firmwares that made my Evo many times better in terms of performance while clearing out the clutter
The LG tablet does not have a 3some screen, only 3d camera, a 3some screen of that size would add a lot of extra cost, it just wouldn't be worth it, but yes a bigger screen would have been a better choice by htc, but then again if you look at the first Android phones they made and compare them to what they have now....great things I predict to come
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Game over for me. I just cancelled my preorder since the release date is going to slip again. Im travelling early June and want to make sure I have something to travel with so I ordered the Galaxy Tab 10.1v which I can pick up in a week or so.
Im gutted really! I really wanted a 7" tablet and REALLY wanted a HTC. I will check back here and see what you guys think of it after release *sniff*
Could the HTC Flyer's Sense UI be reskinned to be closer to that of the Xoom's?
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Could the HTC Flyer's Sense UI be reskinned to be closer to that of the Xoom's?
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The HTC Flyer doesn't have honeycomb pre installed. You may just have to wait because there is news that there will be a honeycomb update for it so you will have the XOOM's interface after the update....well with HTC Sense.
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Could the HTC Flyer's Sense UI be reskinned to be closer to that of the Xoom's?
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Why would you want to replace sense 3.0 with honeycomb?
If you don't like the look of sense just get another launcher.
I wouldn't be in a big rush to get honeycomb, apps work great but widgets do not, the third party browsers haven't caught up yet, and the standard browser is a crappy cheap one with tabs!
If you look to tomorrow, sense has 1000 more potential uses than honeycomb, if you want a honeycomb tablet now get an Asus Transformer, or wait until July.
mrHD2 said:
Why would you want to replace sense 3.0 with honeycomb?
If you don't like the look of sense just get another launcher.
I wouldn't be in a big rush to get honeycomb, apps work great but widgets do not, the third party browsers haven't caught up yet, and the standard browser is a crappy cheap one with tabs!
If you look to tomorrow, sense has 1000 more potential uses than honeycomb, if you want a honeycomb tablet now get an Asus Transformer, or wait until July.
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Sage advice that will unfortunately be lost on most readers, who assume new=better.
I'm enjoying the xoom!
I miss some of the sense features, and feel the widgets are far behind what is available on my Desire...
But I am using it differently to a phone so I'm just adapting at the moment - would be interested to see Honeycomb w/ Sense though!
I bet it rocks...
It's been a while since I've used Sense, but third party launchers like ADW seem more customizable (i.e. number of rows and columns), IMO. Personally, I'm hoping for more custom roms if / as the device becomes more popular.
Guys! now I am fed up..seems that they will never release honeycomb upgrade...
Anybody any news???
Try living in the US and being ignored even when it comes to small updates.
Think we'll see Honeycomb around the time the Puccini launches? You'd think, but it really appears that HTC has ignored the Flyer.
Try not being updated since launch.... screw it. Above post is most believable, Honeycomb when Jetstream/Skyrocket/Puccini launches.
We should bother the sh%t outta them about it. Seems to works.
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We should bother the sh%t outta them about it. Seems to works.
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LOL XD, I will call them.
Same here, paid in full for the 32gb 3g tablet on day one to use it for my work (illustration/concept design) because of the n-trig digitizer and form factor... Now 4 months later, i only use it for some dumb web browsing, mail checkin and occasionnal movie watchin, stuff that i could perfectly perform on my phone... The scribe sdk (recently released) seems to be 3.x specific from what i understand... AND NOW I'M MAD AS HELL, FED UP OF WAITING. Feel cheated and insulted by the total lack of communication. Should have wait and go for the upcoming Lenovo Thinkpad tablet with nvidia cpu, full size host usb, fullsize sdcard reader and honeycomb out of the box...
I just wish htc would communicate
If somebody know who to hit (that would matter), i'm down for some good old fashion mass emailing, or any action that would get em to give us a goddamn answer
Nox
noxizmad said:
Same here, paid in full for the 32gb 3g tablet on day one to use it for my work (illustration/concept design) because of the n-trig digitizer and form factor... Now 4 months later, i only use it for some dumb web browsing, mail checkin and occasionnal movie watchin, stuff that i could perfectly perform on my phone... The scribe sdk (recently released) seems to be 3.x specific from what i understand... AND NOW I'M MAD AS HELL, FED UP OF WAITING. Feel cheated and insulted by the total lack of communication. Should have wait and go for the upcoming Lenovo Thinkpad tablet with nvidia cpu, full size host usb, fullsize sdcard reader and honeycomb out of the box...
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With all respect, how did you plan to use your Flyer? For which kind of work? Why do you think the current software is incapable? It would be good if you can share with us.
If you think that you can not use efficiently the current Flyer for your work I am afraid that you will still be disappointed when the Honeycomb comes. IMHO, the Honeycomb will not bring significant changes in the Flyer's productivity.
BTW, Lenovo Thinkpad is 10" tablet which is in a complete different category. And Chinese Lenovo quality in general is worse than HTC's (I own an Lenovo T serie laptop, It's bad). I think HTC Puccini will be better than the Lenovo Tablet.
I 100% agree!! 100%.
It's not that HC will solve all of our issues or bring in Earth shattering functionality. That's not the point nor my immediate concern.
It's the complete lack of communication and the complete lack of backing.
HTC marketed scribe, where are the new apps supporting it? Where is the communication letting users know that supporting apps are coming?
HTC promised honeycomb "shortly after launch", where is it? Where's the communication?
Heck, where are the accessories?
If HTC is going to position themselves as a company that innovates on top of Android, then they have to do better than this...
My recommendation to you guys is to annoy the heck out of them on twitter and on their facebook page... I try to post to them every now and then just to be a pain in the ass
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With all respect, how did you plan to use your Flyer? For which kind of work? Why do you think the current software is incapable? It would be good if you can share with us.
If you think that you can not use efficiently the current Flyer for your work I am afraid that you will still be disappointed when the Honeycomb comes. IMHO, the Honeycomb will not bring significant changes in the Flyer's productivity.
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Sorta have to agree here. After playing with Honeycomb tablets in the stores, I'm wondering what all the fuss is about. Gingerbread + Sense makes the Flyer a wonderful tablet, IMHO.
Yeah, I'd like to see more pen aware apps. But I suspect it's only a matter of time before they start showing up (especially once other manufacturers adopt N-trig pen technology). And even if they don't, the ability to jot down notes is still worth the price of admission, IMHO.
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Sorta have to agree here. After playing with Honeycomb tablets in the stores, I'm wondering what all the fuss is about. Gingerbread + Sense makes the Flyer a wonderful tablet, IMHO.
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I agree here also. All the current HC tablets are laggy. HC has a few cool features, and looks nice. But the eye candy comes at the expense of performance. And none of the HC features missing from Gingerbread are real deal breakers. HTC is probably trying to figure out how to incorporate Sense without making HC even more laggy. Compared to current HC tablets, the Flyer GB experience is smoother and faster in most respects.
blue blue man said:
With all respect, how did you plan to use your Flyer? For which kind of work? Why do you think the current software is incapable? It would be good if you can share with us.
If you think that you can not use efficiently the current Flyer for your work I am afraid that you will still be disappointed when the Honeycomb comes. IMHO, the Honeycomb will not bring significant changes in the Flyer's productivity.
BTW, Lenovo Thinkpad is 10" tablet which is in a complete different category. And Chinese Lenovo quality in general is worse than HTC's (I own an Lenovo T serie laptop, It's bad). I think HTC Puccini will be better than the Lenovo Tablet.
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u may be right, maybe i'm trippin, but i know for sure that Autodesk Sketchbook pro for honeycomb is supposed to support the scribe/n-trig digitizers, so for now unfortunately it feels like this HC update is my best chance to be able to use the flyer as a digital sketchbook. I also keep an anxious eye on that Fresco thread in the meantime, and i sure hope the somebody can make this happen Gingerbread flavor... nobody likes a laggy tablet
for info, i plan to use it to do my preliminary sketches and color studies on the go. The note app combined with evernote may be great for note taking and sketching basic ideas, but misses alot of basic features to call it a painting app (canvas size, simple color mixing/picking, etc...)
i agree about the lenovo feeling pretty cheap compared to htc, but i really like the features, and it should run Sketchbook pro (for instance) with pen pressure out of the box... but i sure like the flyer form factor... i'm just reallyreallyreally frustrated right now...
Anybody knows when pretends HTC offer the Puccini?
September? October? November? Christmast?
I can try wait until Christmast... Not sure...
Depends on the roms...
And of course, i luv this tablet is perfect 4 me
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Well, one thing is sure... Anyone of us that have performed the s-off method will not be able to upgrade anyhow! Unless guys here find a way to conform the HTC OTA protocol or HTC add geek allowance into their updates with a warning!
To be honest, I'm with others on here, I've tried HC, and unless HTC have given an even better Sense cover to it, it does not give me any thoughts of upgrade... They still have not fixed PPTP VPN for goodness sake....!
what is actually honeycomb.....
Honeycomb is a new version of Android (3.0) specifically made for tablets. As of now it is laggy, and not fit to run on the Flyer. ICS, is the version after Honeycomb which is to release this fall, and is one OS that runs on both tabs and phones.
Hi,
why isn´t there a rom with android 3.2?
Best regards
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HTC is probably trying to figure out how to incorporate Sense without making HC even more laggy.
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They have. You can see HTC's UI customizations on the Puccini screenshots.
I received this response yesterday when pushing the issue
@htc: @TheNewDorkTimes The software is in development and we'll post here upon its release. Thank you for asking.” #flyer #honeycomb
again vague....companies like Motorola and HTC are screwing customers with false claims of soon to be released features and updates. This, "sell now and make promises philosophy", is pissing a lot of people off. People take the chance of purchasing the product in good faith expecting they will see what was promised soon. HTC can make great products but I for one will never purchase a product that promises features or capabilities in the near future. I will simply wait for something better or go with a reputable company that actually keeps it word.
I know the main leak wasn't, but I'm wondering if anyone has any recommendations on a Honeycomb ROM that's suitable for everyday use? This waiting game is getting really tiresome.
It depends on what you need to be working. All of the HC ROMs have issues with the camera in most apps other than the stock camera app and some issues with the mail widget not updating. Most other functions seem to be pretty solid and the interface looks a lot nicer. Since Google never released the source code for HC the 3rd party developers have no way to fix the bugs and we have to wait for HTC to drop another leak or final release.
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I know the main leak wasn't, but I'm wondering if anyone has any recommendations on a Honeycomb ROM that's suitable for everyday use? This waiting game is getting really tiresome.
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The question is if you can live with the issues in the leak or not. They are not so big that you can't use it daily. I have it installed since the leak came out and happy with it. Never thought to go back...
For what it's worth....
It's just an operating system. It's like saying "I can't wait until I get Window 7 over Win XP". After the initial installation, and few minutes of "wow, that's cool" it's no big deal.
I had Honeycomb 3.1 on my GTablet and my girlfriend had an Motorola Xoom and it too had HC. IMHO the HTC Flyer is way better with Gingerbread than those with HC.
Just my opinion.
I don't think HC is going to give you any added functionality. If you use your tab for email, movies, web surfing, etc., then just stick to what you have.
Thanks all. Mostly I am looking at the tablet enabled apps, especially swype. But I don't know if I wanna put up with much broken, especially the camera which I actually do use. Thanks for your thoughts.
imp, swype is quite a hassle to use on tablets. Check out thumb keyboard. https://market.android.com/details?id=com.beansoft.keyboardplus&hl=en
I want to know if the pen functionality really impressive within all applications on honeycomb? Or is it just like another capasitive pen on other tablets because lack of pressure sensitivity? Can you feel the difference?
https://plus.google.com/10083827609...aJRGS#100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS
Any dev's or knowledgeable people want to take a crack at this? Is it based in fact, fiction, or irrelevant?
IDK, some things made since and some didnt. The whole writup seemed to be based on iOs vs. Android on scrolling. If you break down what iOs is, its an app launcher. Android is a home screen with live widgets and information. A true comparison would be Androids app page vs. iOs since both would be app launchers.
I never understood why people try and compare apples to oranges... or in this case, an app launcher to a 5 page home screen with tons of live information on it.
I think the guy was pretty clear on identifying bias and also gaugeing how factual his claimes are. I believe him and am confident that the corrections have made it Accurate.
The last post is true. Apple has locked down and simplified their os in the sake of smoothness. Where android has opted to provide a mors content rich experiance.
But at the same time hardware fragmentation is huge, ik he says that no matter how powerful the phones get this is a limitatikn, there is a huge problem with the fact that... Some procs. Support neon and other optimizations while ofhers don't. More often than not, app devs write their apps for the least powerful in an attempt to capture everyone, in the end, the most powerful loose out on the true potential of their device.
Look at push for example, most apps that i see still have bruit force check every 5 min type notifications even though android now has push. this is getting fixed, but slowly.
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I think the biggest problem android faces is the carriers. Buy an iPhone and there is zero carrier crap installed. Buy android and bloaty mcfatty land.
Thanks to xda development we can purge this crap (revs you rock!), but for the vast majority this is akin to voodoo and they would never attempt it.
As such android gets a bad rap. If the carriers would just be content with having their names on the phone and nothing else I posit that there would be globally better view of android. Just my two cents.
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I think the biggest problem android faces is the carriers. Buy an iPhone and there is zero carrier crap installed. Buy android and bloaty mcfatty land.
Thanks to xda development we can purge this crap (revs you rock!), but for the vast majority this is akin to voodoo and they would never attempt it.
As such android gets a bad rap. If the carriers would just be content with having their names on the phone and nothing else I posit that there would be globally better view of android. Just my two cents.
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I thought it was just the United States carriers that did this?
But, as android is an open model it opens up possibilities for carriers to customize the devices as they wish at little to no cost, also, allowing them to install apps to earn sidestreamed revenue.
I hate the carrier branding on my phone. I really really wish there was a way to get the AT&T logo off my phone.
The only place I'd allow it is the sim card.
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I hate the carrier branding on my phone. I really really wish there was a way to get the AT&T logo off my phone.
The only place I'd allow it is the sim card.
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That's what you and I and many others in US pay for a subsidized phone.
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But my unsubsidized Galaxy Tab 10.1 wi-fi is still laggy as hell. It's not the fault of carrier bloatware. Android OS is the one to blame. My WP7 phones runing a single core 1GHz Sanpdragon is much more smoother than any Android phones I owned, including the GS2.
No lag problems with my 10.1...
CyberpunkDad said:
I think the biggest problem android faces is the carriers. Buy an iPhone and there is zero carrier crap installed. Buy android and bloaty mcfatty land.
Thanks to xda development we can purge this crap (revs you rock!), but for the vast majority this is akin to voodoo and they would never attempt it.
As such android gets a bad rap. If the carriers would just be content with having their names on the phone and nothing else I posit that there would be globally better view of android. Just my two cents.
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Bingo! This is exactly what I have thought for years. Buy an unlocked Nexus S if you doubt this at all and you'll see a different Android. Or, root your phone, flash a vanilla rom and install something like ADWLauncher EX and set it to "fast". Once all the crap and skin is wiped, my current GS2 switches tasks and pages so fast that sometimes I can't even see it happen. I literally burned my hand the other day on my phone.
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Bingo! This is exactly what I have thought for years. Buy an unlocked Nexus S if you doubt this at all and you'll see a different Android. Or, root your phone, flash a vanilla rom and install something like ADWLauncher EX and set it to "fast". Once all the crap and skin is wiped, my current GS2 switches tasks and pages so fast that sometimes I can't even see it happen. I literally burned my hand the other day on my phone.
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What I really can't get my head around is how AT&T can think that people want their ****ty apps. They are an embarrassment.
I'm no expert, but I think that some of the apps that are on our phones out-of-box are there so that the price of the phone can be driven shown a bit more. It makes sense that AT&T would have agreements with the app makers to get money for including their app. Maybe they use that revenue to offset the overhead of distributing the device and pass that savings along to their customers.
I'm certainly not defending what they do, but just saying that could be a reason why some of this crapware is pre-installed.
Another way to look at it would be that many of the apps cost money to use. They will enroll you in some service you don't need (AT&T Nav, Live TV, etc.). Then they can steal from us by placing these little services onto our plan to be billed monthly. I have worked in customer care for one of "the big four" carriers and they would train us to employ similar tactics to trick existing customers into buying stuff. They're really like fat leaches attached to the inside of our wallets.
I have a focus and a gs2. Yes wp7 scrolls the home screen, notice I say screen since there is only one, smooth as silk. The animations are also very smooth but way too much and slowwww. Where you see the difference is in apps. Hell rebooting my focus takes forever. The engadget app and lazy tube app on wp7 really make the phone stutter and freeze. I have iPhones, winphones and androids and in my experience the gs2 is by far the fastest phone i own by a large margin. I still love the iPhone and winphone btw. The winphone is a first Gen device so it's performance is damned impressive. The animations and how slow it scrolls webpages/long lists annoy me. In android if you flick down a list real fast it goes like lightning, on the winphone it has a governor of sorts and I find myslef constantly trying to get it to scroll faster.
I know it sounds like I'm crapping on the winphone but that's not the case. It really is a cool os handbills recommend trying it out. I got a used focus for next to nothing.
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Again, people are comparing apples to oranges... an app launcher (or in WinMo case, an app launcher with really large app links) to a multi-page homescreen with live information.
Try this, use the App launcher in Android and scroll back and fourth, up and down and now compare it to iOs or WinMo. YA, NOW THEY SCROLL THE SAME!!!
If you feel that your home screen is laggy, then either get a new launcher, or dont put any widgets/icons/shorcuts/pictures/ANYTHING on your home screen.
foxbat121 said:
But my unsubsidized Galaxy Tab 10.1 wi-fi is still laggy as hell. It's not the fault of carrier bloatware. Android OS is the one to blame. My WP7 phones runing a single core 1GHz Sanpdragon is much more smoother than any Android phones I owned, including the GS2.
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You shouldve exchanged that GS2. I guarantee it would/should kick wp7 in its ass in terms of performance.
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You shouldve exchanged that GS2. I guarantee it would/should kick wp7 in its ass in terms of performance.
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No you can't. Obviously you don't own a WP7. All Android phones I handled (BTW, my co-worker has another GS2, same deal) are no where near the smoothness of year old (with two year old single core Snapdragon) Samsung Focus in terms of home screen smoothness. When it comes to lag and stutters, I'm writing it off as the necessary evil I have to deal with if I'm going to use any Android devices. Too those who deny it, you need to go out and play with other platforms like WP7 or iPhone to understand what is lag.
I like Android. Thus I'm on my second Android Phone and even own an Android tablet. But to deny the obvious and inherent flaw in the OS is either ignorant or pure fanboyism.
Remember, I'm purely talking about home screen. When it comes to app, a lot of other factors come into play and CPU speed does make a difference. Home screen is where we spent most time and most complaint about lag is about.
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No you can't. Obviously you don't own a WP7. All Android phones I handled (BTW, my co-worker has another GS2, same deal) are no where near the smoothness of year old (with two year old single core Snapdragon) Samsung Focus in terms of home screen smoothness. When it comes to lag and stutters, I'm writing it off as the necessary evil I have to deal with if I'm going to use any Android devices. Too those who deny it, you need to go out and play with other platforms like WP7 or iPhone to understand what is lag.
I like Android. Thus I'm on my second Android Phone and even own an Android tablet. But to deny the obvious and inherent flaw in the OS is either ignorant or pure fanboyism.
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Opening apps in WP7 has a considerable delay too. The WP7 homescreen is nothing, but a start menu. The live tile functionality really isn't there yet.
Yes, app loading is slow on first version of WP7 but it has greatly improved since then. What's the point of a great home screen when it lags like hell? GS2 is much better than my Captivate as well as my GTab 10.1. But I can still feel some slight lagness. My GTab 10.1 is almost unusable until 3.2 ROM released. Android's only saving grace right now is the raw processing power increase of the new phones that hides these inherent flaws in the OS. Google, or its partners, still has a long way to go to improve the UX of Android OS.