So I ordered a gtablet and read that flashing it will improve its performance, so I plan on doing that.
I read the guide on how to do it.
I realize each one has its good and bad points.
I am not sure what rom to use. I was going to put vegan on it as I have seen a few people recommend it. I was going through posts on the ginger edition of vegan and saw posts of people having trouble with videos. SO I am leaning towards the vegan 5.1 as people say its stable
I mainly will use the tablet to watch movies, read digital books/comics/magazines and web surf. Would vegan ginger be good pick? Seemed like people were having trouble with video.
When the tablet arrives Im assuming that I should not update it to the latest firmware? Ive seen posts about 1.2 not being compatible. Do I need to make sure I am on certain firmware to root/flash?
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One other quick question. In the tutorial it mention that when you put clockwork on you make new partition. Does this affect the external sdcard, or is it referring to internal memory?
Just want to make sure as I ordered a larger microsd card so I will wait to flash if its needed to partition.
Thanks. If anyone has any tips or tricks you could offer Id appreciate it as well.
THank you
I'll let others answer your questions since I'm fairly new myself, but I wanted to mention a couple things.
As someone that's certainly computer literate, but completely new to tablets and android, I was able to install Vegan 5.1 following the instructions here. I've been happy with it, but still learning the ropes.
My main issue came from not having a gmail.com email address. My google account was linked to a yahoo email address and that caused issues with Google Talk (which also caused issues with the android marketplace). Other than that, it was fairly painless.
all of the things you want to do, watch videos, read books, and surf the web can be done on a Stock G-tablet. If you don't like the visual appeal of the stock rom, or want to have root access to flash kernels, etc, then you'll need to flash a custom Rom.
More than likely, the G-tablet will not be on a 1.2 firmware out of hte box. Viewsonic pulled the 1.2 update a day after releasing it. The 1.2 branch of development is working under the assumption that all future updates will be of the 1.2 form. So, if you flash a 1.1 Rom now, you may need to be prepared to flash a 1.2 rom later on, if you want future official updates.
I was usuing Vegan 5.1.1, and it worked well. It was stable, I could watch videos, read books, and surf the web, just like you want to. Recently, I flashed Brilliant Corners, which is a 1.2 version of Vegan 5.1.1. It works just the same, but now I'm prepared for any future 1.2 Roms with updates that may include hardware acceleration. The only Honeycomb rom, right now, is being developed on the 1.2 development branch. It's still in the Alpha stages, but if you ever want ot check it out, you'll need to be on 1.2.
The partitioning in the instructions does refer to the internal SD card. With any Vegan rom (from what I've observed) including Brilliant Corners, you need to add a file to each folder, including the root of the external SD card if you plan on putting any music or video files on it. You need a ".Nomedia" file. If you don't have that file, for some reason, the media gets wiped occasioanlly on reboot, waking, etc.
I have never tried any of the "ginger" roms (CM7 and Veganginger) Neither have true official hardware acceleration from NVidea, which is what causes some of the video issues.
My personal opinion...since you are a new user, and have a virgin G-Tab, I would suggest that you flash a 1.2 Rom. If you like Vegan-Tab 5.1.1, then flashing Brilliant Corners gives you the same thing. It's not that hard a process, but it's more involved than just flashing a 1.1 rom. The advantage you have right now is that you are bone stock, so you're already halfway there.
Regards,
Todd
Doesnt flashing make the tablet run smoother and give you the android market so you have more apps to choose from?
I'll admit Im getting discourage from reading the forum. Seems like after you flash a rom then you have to do alot of this to get that working again afterwards. Like it will be one problem after another.
Is this the case? Or is it just that people dont post when it works only when it doesnt making it seem worse to people looking around.
I was looking around and see some posts about running nvflash first before anything else.
I tried searching for a guide on it but couldnt find one on how to make initial back-up before I start flashing.
Can anyone post the correct link?
I see other posts about clockwork recovery.
So I am not sure what to do.
Should I just follow this guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=865245
or should I do something more?
Don't be discouraged, the problems don't happen to everyone, and most are resolved.
If you know how to work a computer and can follow instructions you should be fine.
I got my g Tablet in april, it still had the original ROM on it, from the time I opened the packaging to the time I got VEGAN Ginger running on it was about 40 minutes, and most of that was from downloading and installing things on my windows machine, lol.
Once I got VEGAN ginger running I haven't had any major issues with it. I have full access to the Android market, the Amazon market, and the NVIDIA market.
The VEGAN ginger runs Tegra games great BTW, Dungeon defenders and GunBroz both run flawlessly.
It's definitely worth it to put a custom ROM on, and VEGAN ginger is a good choice.
If you'd like, later I'll try to put a few movies on it and play them, that's one thing I haven't done. Also I've heard theres a netflix app available, I'll try that as well.
Doesnt flashing make the tablet run smoother and give you the android market so you have more apps to choose from?
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I would say that originally customs roms made it run smoother, only becuase the original stock rom was pure garbage. As for android market fixes, you don't need a custom rom for them.
Seems like after you flash a rom then you have to do alot of this to get that working again afterwards. Like it will be one problem after another.
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It depends on the rom, I think. Some of them are still in development, so aren't the completed versions yet. I can tell you that my first flash of Vegan 5.1.1 worked flawlessly. Everything worked as I expected it when I was done flashing.
I was looking around and see some posts about running nvflash first before anything else.
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This is preventative mantainence...being comfortable with NVflash will help you in case anything goes wrong. People suggest that you are familiar with it because many times, it's the only way to recover from a soft brick.
As I mentioned before, just about everything you want to do can be done on stock firmware. Rooting your device will give you more options, like overclocking, or running custom kernels. It will also give you the option to flash the custom roms, if you ever want to. CWM will give you more recovery options, enabling you to make a backup of your system, etc.
If you find that stock firmware isn't workign up to your standards, then by all means, take the plunge and root your device, install CWM, and flash the rom of your choice.
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Hi all,
I am new to android. First time using it and really know nothing about it.
Bought the G tab at woot. I am knowledgeable with computers, so I hope that helps. Over 50, so need your help here.
I have spent a decent amount of time looking through these forums and there is so much information here, it is hard to discerne what is relevant for me.
I did the OTA update. I do not have an sd card, so all will be through the usb to my home computer.
I have played with the gtab a bit, but I figure, before I go and do a bunch of setup for the family and download apps that if I am going to root it, I may as well do it now. Those of you with experience using it don't like viewsonics version, so I assume that these ROM's must be so much better.
From this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=842004
it reads that if I have stock gtab, I can simply install TnTLite 4.4 without clockworkmod. I assume then that without colckworkmod, I can't clear the cache or datafiles. Do I really need nvfLASH? I read it and it sounds a bit confusing.
I read that you should repartition the gtab. I looked and can't find out how to do this. Is this before or after you run the mod?
For the market fix, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=845175
I follow the link to download the zip file. When I download apps from the computer, where on the gtab do they go to unzip them?
What does sideload mean? What do you mean when you say make sure that market is working with your google id? do i need a gmail account?
On a side note, the gtab will not load up my yahoo mail account? hmmm, is that correct? My wife has an old aol account that she uses and she said she can't respond to emails, that is true also?
Thanks in advance,
Kozmokrmr
Lots of questions... let's see what we can do here...
Yes, You can setup TnTLite 4.4 without ClockworkMod. However, CWM is included in the install as part of the 3588 Recovery Pack. You can actually switch it in and out as needed for the purposes of clearing caches and wiping data.
Repartitioning is one of the advanced functions of ClockworkMod. You will not likely find it necessary unless you're doing lots of modding (or are particularly anal about procedure, like I am...).
It doesn't really matter where you download or unzip files to as long as you know where they are. I leave them in the default download folder or create a folder for the particular project on one of the sdcards. Sideloading consists of downloading an app's .apk file to the tablet then installing it without using the market. Most file managers (including the one included on the gtab) do this with a click or two.
Yes you will need a gmail account to make the market work. When you start it the first time it will ask for your gmail credentials to log in.
There is a Yahoo mail (and IM) client/app. Not sure about AOL. But either can be accessed through the web browser.
All that being said... if you are planning on using the "Family" accounts setup that comes stock on the G Tablet you'll want to try that before loading any custom ROM. They all replace the contacts app which is required for that to work. I'm not sure if any of the custom ROM's supports any kind of multi user setup.
Thank you K J Rad
To enter clockworkmod, then just use the power and volume up to access clockworkmod from 3588 update? Then do the data and cache clearing? Is clockworkmod, just a tool to do a few system functions?
Ok, then I won't worry about repartitioning.
Hmm, alright, I guess I'll just give the sideloading a go and see what happens.
About NVFlash, should I worry about it or is it only for the guys who switch out roms and play around with it? I figure, once I install a mod, other than maybe updating the rom, I won't be yanking around with it like this anymore.
Ok, then we'll get a few gmail accounts. Thanks.
The internet on the gtab wouldn't access my yahoo. Possibly I need to upgrade yahoo to the paid version to get the pop account.
The AOL account could be read, but she couldn't reply to any emails. Possibly the same problem there.
No big deal about the family accounts, we don't need them. Its not an issue.
The people here I read that have issues (not booting up, stuck in a loop, etc.) have what? done a step wrong, played around a bit too much or just one of those odd software flukes that catches some guys?
So there really is a BIG difference in the stock rom and the modded roms's, yes?
Thanks again.
Power and Volume Up enter "Recovery Mode." If ClockworkMod is installed then that is what you will get. Otherwise you'll get the stock recovery. 3588 does not install CWM. There is a very good thread "Stickied" in the development section about installing Clockwork, ROMs, etc. Once you've got that installed the instructions for installing TnTLite 4.4 and switching between the two types of recovery are in the stickied TnTLite thread. I usually do a data wipe before and after installing a ROM (it works for me... YMMV).
Knowing how to nvflash could be the difference between nirvana and complete disgust. It may never come up but if it does then you will be thrilled that you know how.
Once you have the market installed and working download a better browser. I use Dolphin HD and it works with my Yahoo account just fine (after you tinker with it's settings a bit...). Probably work fine for AOL also. If not, try Opera Mobile.
Any number of things can cause the issues you'll see posted about here. I've suffered magic number mismatch, boot loop, FC's... the whole gamut. If you get comfortable with the tools then you'll be able to recover from anything. Good practices will also lead to greater success. For example, when I'm flashing to a new ROM I do the following:
1) Cache and Data wipe.
2) nvflash to Factory install.
3) Update to 1.1-3588 build.
4) Data wipe (probably not necessary but wth...)
5) Proceed with update.
For experimental builds I modify that to include repartitioning.
Following this procedure has reduced my occurances of unexpected issues to near zero (I don't always remember to do every step...).
Yes... the custom ROMs are "Better" but better is subjective. I like TwoTapsX for its speed and stability though it does suffer from a few video artifacts from time to time. TnTLite is a good solid daily driver for the average user. VEGAn is popular with a lot of power users. Each has its tradeoffs and even the stock ROM has some advantages (easy to use custom interface, decent basic set of integrated apps, settings optimized to reduce confusing options).
Welcome and enjoy.
I have a Gtablet enroute right now and have been doing a lot of reading the last few days. When first released all the talk was that it was a nice peice of hardware but to be any good you had to use a custom ROM with it. Is this still the case with the latest 4xxx update?
Pexcer,
It all depends on what you want. That's what the choices XDA offers here are all
about.
When we started with G-Tablets back last fall, the software was so bad it was
almost unfunctional. It has improved with each update. With 4349 installed you
can put your apps on it and have a functional tablet -- but whether it is good enough
for you is your call.
There are a number of alternate ROMs and each has it assets and liabilities.
The only way I know to approach it is to read the threads related to each rom and
see what those advantages and disadvantages are. You can eliminate some that way.
And whatever you have left, you will just have to try and see what you like.
I know this is not the "Go use the _______________ rom" that a lot of people will
give you -- but I'm not pandering for anybody's rom. I believe everyone should
research, try and make their own choice.
Rev
Pexcer said:
I have a Gtablet enroute right now and have been doing a lot of reading the last few days. When first released all the talk was that it was a nice peice of hardware but to be any good you had to use a custom ROM with it. Is this still the case with the latest 4xxx update?
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I'm more inclined to go with the fastest rom I can get my hands on. I don't care about looks. And stock rom will never be able to fun as fast as custom rom.
That said, you should make this decision on your own. Depends on what you want. If you are like my brother in law who wants everything to be official and fully officially supported, then I suggest you stay with the stock upgraded rom. If you're like me who doesn't care that it's the official release and would rather have a super fast tablet, then custom rom is definitely the way to go.
In another thread, I was endorsing the new calk/clems combo v3, which my quadrant test resulted in 4081. I've posted a picture in this post. Right now, the only thing that seems to be faster than this is the modded xoom, which is only about 80 more. I highly doubt the stock rom will ever be able to give us this much power.
Thanks for the response. I may try the stock UI for a few days when I get it. I have been having difficulty in really seeing the differences between the different ROMs out there though. One thing I plan to do a lot is watch TV shows I've downloaded from TVtorrents, these are 720p x264 in an MKV, is there one mod that can handle Video like that or is that a non issue. I can also grab non HD formats which would have a higher chance of working, but would rather not.
I've also read that hulu can be made to work, at least on one ROM, can't recall which now. If one does Hulu and another doesn't that would be an issue as well. I only download shows that Hulu or Netflix doesn't have.
Any guidance from people familiar with the different options would be appreciated, might save me from some trial and error in the next couple weeks.
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I've also read that hulu can be made to work, at least on one ROM, can't recall which now. If one does Hulu and another doesn't that would be an issue as well. I only download shows that Hulu or Netflix doesn't have.
Any guidance from people familiar with the different options would be appreciated, might save me from some trial and error in the next couple weeks.
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Torrents blows goats. their download speeds are as fast as my original G Tab os. File Hosting is the way to roll.
Off my soapbox, I agree with goodintentions. Speed and stability is the key. after that, ADW, 3D Launcher, VTLauncher and a few other Home screen launchers can customize your experience. let us know how yours runs. I won't go that route until the ROM's for it (1.2) are out and stable.
I don't have the newest update that just came out, so I can't comment on that. But I can mention why I went back to the stock ROM. I got my g tablet when woot was selling them. I left the stock rom on for a week and it worked pretty well as a shared device between me and my wife. The stock apps let you keep separate accounts. I put on clockwork and formatted the drive as recommended, then I tried TNT lite, g harmony, and cyanogen. They make your tablet like a big phone. When you sign in to the google apps, all you contacts, calendar, and emails are imported. This didn't work so well as a shared tablet. I decided to leave clockwork mod and the recommended formatting but put the original ROM back on. With the proper formatting, the thing isn't too bad. Probably not as fast as some of the folks here would like, but it serves our purpose as a shared device.
Half the fun (and half the aggravation) is trying different roms. Which is best? That is hard to say. Here is what I suggest. Don't get the latest update with the locked bootloader because then there is nothing you can play with. Get Titanium Backup so you can back up your apps. Learn how to connect t o your pc with usb so you can copy your stuff safely away while you play. Install clockworkmod so you can fix things and install different roms. NVflash is also a good thing to set up and learn but you don't have to right away unless you got the latest update. Now do this.
1. Use clockwork mod to make a backup of your original rom and copy it to your pc.
2. Download and install a new rom calkulin/clemsyn is nice. Use clockwork mod again to make a backup of that installation.
3. download another rom and install. Use clockworkmod to make a backup of that one.
4. When you've tried enough of them you can decide which one you like and restore it using clockwork mod.
5. Changed you mind? Restore one of the others!
6. Rinse and repeat as needed.
Remember Titanium Backup will backup your apps and data - so, if you install a new rom you can restore your apps and data. That means you don't have to go fetch them all in the market and you don't have to restart angry birds at level one.
There are lots of tutorials on how to do this stuff - read the stickys.
Good luck
Try a bunch of ROMs
I agree with enigma. I got my Gtablet last week and immediately updated hoping that the new stock ROM was good enough. It isn't. It's slow and "chunky" plus doesn't have access to the Android market.
I've heard good stuff about the calkulin/clemsyn and Vegan. Being that Vegan is Honeycomb I just went with that though I really should have tried calkulin/clemsyn too as so many must like it for a reason.
I'm new to Android as well so don't get too hung up on the difficulty of installing ROMs. There are very clear, step by step instructions to be found here. Each install takes maybe 15 minutes. So in an afternoon you could easily install and play with half a dozen ROMs before deciding on which you like better.
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Half the fun (and half the aggravation) is trying different roms. Which is best? That is hard to say. Here is what I suggest. Don't get the latest update with the locked bootloader because then there is nothing you can play with. Get Titanium Backup so you can back up your apps. Learn how to connect t o your pc with usb so you can copy your stuff safely away while you play. Install clockworkmod so you can fix things and install different roms. NVflash is also a good thing to set up and learn but you don't have to right away unless you got the latest update. Now do this.
1. Use clockwork mod to make a backup of your original rom and copy it to your pc.
2. Download and install a new rom calkulin/clemsyn is nice. Use clockwork mod again to make a backup of that installation.
3. download another rom and install. Use clockworkmod to make a backup of that one.
4. When you've tried enough of them you can decide which one you like and restore it using clockwork mod.
5. Changed you mind? Restore one of the others!
6. Rinse and repeat as needed.
Remember Titanium Backup will backup your apps and data - so, if you install a new rom you can restore your apps and data. That means you don't have to go fetch them all in the market and you don't have to restart angry birds at level one.
There are lots of tutorials on how to do this stuff - read the stickys.
Good luck
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if you need vpn, cifs then you need a custom ROM
It depends on what capabilities you want. I need VPN and COFS so I use TNTL 4.4. Also, you can install alternate keybaords. The custom ROMs also tend to fix a lot of issues.
Shame on Viewsonic for locking bootloader in the 1.2 branch.
ConfuciusTse said:
. Being that Vegan is Honeycomb I just went with that though I really should have tried calkulin/clemsyn too as so many must like it for a reason.
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I know somebody is gonna see this and say something, so I figure I'll be the first to point out its gingerbread not honeycomb.
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I know somebody is gonna see this and say something, so I figure I'll be the first to point out its gingerbread not honeycomb.
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haha, GB is good almost HC good so far.
I am new to the forum and the G Tab but have been browsing. I just got the G Tab today and wanted to pursue the Roebeets+Clemsyn's Honeycomb COMBO alpha path!
I have a few questions...
Assuming I have the 1.2 BL (4349) out of the box do I still need to re-partition the G-Tab with 2048/0MB and wipe before proceeding?
Can I skip the following steps?
1. Nvflash to 3588 STOCK DO NOT USE CWM FOR 3588
2. Do not install CWM (we need the stock recovery)
3. DO NOT INSTALL CWM (we need the stock recovery)
4. PLEASE DO NOT INSTALL CWM
5. Reboot
And start from here assuming the partition sizes are correct?
6. RENAME COMBO FILE NAME TO Update.zip
7. Move Update.zip to /sdcard folder
8. Unzip recover.zip and move recovery folder to /sdcard folder
8. Turn off
10. Press Power+Volume up then this will install Update.zip
I know I should NOT install CWM as it wont work until after I flash the ROM which I assume is included in the ROM image.
Is there anything else I need to do before proceeding? I will backup the original ROM of course.
Thanks in advance and what an excellent resource
Do you know what what alpha means? It means it's not recommended for new users. There are many things that still don't work.
That said, technically you can skip all of that. Do you even know why we recommend people to repartition to 2048/0? It's because of compatibility issues. If you don't repartition from the beginning, the system will eventually force closes everything.
I highly recommend you visit my sight. It's written for beginners.
http://viewsonic-gtablet-for-dummies.webs.com/
Yes I do know what alpha means I deal with devs all of the time. I wanted to clarify the partition sizes because it wasn't mentioned in the dev thread as most users there were already coming from previous mods. I will check out your site though and I appreciate the advice. I may be a noob to the G-Tab and Andriod but am an IT admin by trade.
Thanks!
Ok. Still, chances are you will eventually have force closing issue. And I do mean it's bad. That's why the recommendation nowadays is for people to repartition right away before they start putting their own crap into the sdcard. Partitioning erases everything in the sdcard. So, better do it now than later when you already have all your crap in there.
Agreed! I went through your sight and it was very helpful. Thanks. I didn't realize that VS kept the same partition scheme I thought maybe with 1.2 they would have made some changes for the better. But it doesn't matter I will wipe and reformat anyway. I got the G-Tab yesterday and fired it up. WOW is it slow for a dual core. My Droid X runs circles around it...
Thanks again!
Oh by the way... I configured WiFi and I dont broadcast my SSID. I setup the G-Tab for my network and but it stated "Network out of range". So I enabled the SSID and then it connected. Everything worked just fine until I turned off the SSID broadcast again. Now the G-Tab cannot states it's out of range again. Is there anyway to force it? My other Android device and iPad dont have this issue. I hate broadcasting my SSID.
Thanks!
Hey GI,
Can you verify this step from your site? In Part D after the backup you don't want to go to Install ZIP? I skipped that because it is repeated after the wipes and that made more sense...
Thanks!
Part D (flashing a 1.2 ROM)
After backup is done, ----->>>>>>go back out and select "install zip from sdcard". <<<<<<<---------
Choose "wipe data/factory reset".
Choose "wipe cache partition".
Once it's done, go back out to root menu and choose "advanced".
Choose "Wipe Dalvik Cache".
Go back out and choose "install zip from sdcard".
Go into folder "Rom" and choose the Rom that you picked from the list. Watch it install.
After ROM installation is complete, repeat steps 6 and 7 for the GAPPS file IF YOU NEED TO.
Once everything is done, go back out to root menu and choose "reboot system now".
Well, we have a rooted and ROM'd G-Tab and man it is way more snappy. Thanks again to GI for his excellent web site. The new ROM also fixed my WiFi issue
G-Tab Rom
DroidxManiac said:
Well, we have a rooted and ROM'd G-Tab and man it is way more snappy. Thanks again to GI for his excellent web site. The new ROM also fixed my WiFi issue
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Which Rom did you end up going with? My GTAB will be here Monday. I want to get rid of the stock sluggishness but I'd also like my first ROM to have full functionality , etc so I can check out the camera, videos and all that on my new device. Maybe after some playtime I'll jump to an HC beta that still has issues.
I've done plenty of modding and ROM swapping for the last year on my Cappy, Atrix, and Aria so I'm no noob. I would just like to jump right into the most feature rich, yet stable ROM on day one so I can really check out my new device.
Thanks!
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Which Rom did you end up going with? My GTAB will be here Monday. I want to get rid of the stock sluggishness but I'd also like my first ROM to have full functionality , etc so I can check out the camera, videos and all that on my new device. Maybe after some playtime I'll jump to an HC beta that still has issues.
I've done plenty of modding and ROM swapping for the last year on my Cappy, Atrix, and Aria so I'm no noob. I would just like to jump right into the most feature rich, yet stable ROM on day one so I can really check out my new device.
Thanks!
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Pretty much all froyo roms listed on my site have full functionality (HW accel, video, sound, wifi, camera, etc.). And all of them can be overclocked.
With gingerbread roms, you really need to overclock to get the same video smoothness that you see in froyo because of the lack of HW accel. This is not the developer's fault. And no, it's not my fault either. The mofos NVIDIA and VS decided to stop supporting their product a couple months after they were released.
I'd stay away from the honeycomb roms if I were you. All of them are in their alpha stages right now. Even though most functions work, there are still instability issues. They're only recommended for testers right now.
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Pretty much all froyo roms listed on my site have full functionality (HW accel, video, sound, wifi, camera, etc.). And all of them can be overclocked.
With gingerbread roms, you really need to overclock to get the same video smoothness that you see in froyo because of the lack of HW accel. This is not the developer's fault. And no, it's not my fault either. The mofos NVIDIA and VS decided to stop supporting their product a couple months after they were released.
I'd stay away from the honeycomb roms if I were you. All of them are in their alpha stages right now. Even though most functions work, there are still instability issues. They're only recommended for testers right now.
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@goodintentions. I thank you to provide your useful advice.
grayfoxx said:
Which Rom did you end up going with? My GTAB will be here Monday. I want to get rid of the stock sluggishness but I'd also like my first ROM to have full functionality , etc so I can check out the camera, videos and all that on my new device. Maybe after some playtime I'll jump to an HC beta that still has issues.
I've done plenty of modding and ROM swapping for the last year on my Cappy, Atrix, and Aria so I'm no noob. I would just like to jump right into the most feature rich, yet stable ROM on day one so I can really check out my new device.
Thanks!
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I tried three or four ROMs so far. Among them, my favorite is:
Calkulin + Clemsyn Combo Overclock at 1.5 ghz v5 (Froyo)
It is impressively fast, and the phone function works right of the box. It integrates nicely with either Google voice or Skype.
Calkulin's rom is by itself an already super fast rom. It's actually based off of the TnT. Incredible how he was able to make it work so well.
Hey, Just got a 32gb touchpad
I want to run Android 4 on it, but i see multiple roms there. Was wondering which one has the least bugs. Im hoping for a fully functional one, but not sure whats there. CM9 seems fairly broken.
Im looking for a fully functional non WEbOS if someone could poitn me to one
Thanks!
I'm not one to complain, but there have been quite a few of these threads started recently... such as:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1618380
As far as CM9 goes, I have been running the Alpha 2 version and have absolutely no problems with it besides the camera and mic not working, and the sound issue while the screen is off. ClassicNerd and AOKP are some good alternatives and they have a lot of support, but there are more. Best place to start is the great sticky post by MindSplit : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1552196
If you see CM9 as "broken" then dont bother with Android on your TouchPad. All CM9 ROMs are about the same as far as how stable they are. And all CM9 ROMs just about have the same issues. They are all built from the same source.
It multiboots tho, so i assume i can install as many things as i want..
Rekzer said:
It multiboots tho, so i assume i can install as many things as i want..
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You can only install one version of android.
I currently use ClassicNerd Rom and love it. Yes, like stated earlier they all are still a little buggy. However it is very cool to multi-boot(moboot) between webOS and android . On the Android side I'm able to download apps from the market and play a load of games. PM me and I will point you to the instructions I used.
Im running CM9 now! THis thing FLIES, only bug i really care about is the audio distortion when the screen is off one, but nbd really!
Question: If i want to Update CM, i just place it on the SD and install via CWM right. How does Moboot know its CM? If i installed another rom via CWM would Moboot properly boot into it?
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Is the storage shared? As in, if i boot into WebOS, will it see all the files on the 32gig storage that android sees?
Rekzer said:
Im running CM9 now! THis thing FLIES, only bug i really care about is the audio distortion when the screen is off one, but nbd really!
Question: If i want to Update CM, i just place it on the SD and install via CWM right. How does Moboot know its CM? If i installed another rom via CWM would Moboot properly boot into it?
AND
Is the storage shared? As in, if i boot into WebOS, will it see all the files on the 32gig storage that android sees?
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Yes. just place it on your sd card and install in clockwork. It's wise to wipe cache and dalvik before you flash. There may be times when you get more than one android version show up on moboot if it is two completely different ROMs but you just need to delete the other listing. there are tutorials on how to do that. and your sd card is shared. it's structured a little differently in each OS but it all shares the same storage.
Thanks a bunch guys!
One last question
I have a bunch of apps backed up via Titanium off my GSII, can those be restored safely onto the touchpad(non system apps ofc)
For starters. I am a Nook noob and I am not affraid to admit it.
I have read, read, read, and then read some more about rooting, roms, CWM, CM, and so on and I did puzzle most of the pieces together, but not all.
If I got it right there basically are 3 different roms one can choose for the NT:
Stock rom (the original state)
Stock rom Rooted
Alternate roms: CM (7,8,9), MIUI or any other variation of Android firmware distribution
The usage distribution of the roms can be found in a poll here.
Stock (original) limits you in using full potential of the NT, which typically means that you can not use Google Drive, install/use any apps other then the ones Nook market provides. You can not put apps on the home screen, use any widgets and you are very limited in what you can alterate on the system.
Stock Rooted is the state in which that you are still using the original firmware, however you now have root acces. This means that you have acces to Google Drive and are able to install/use most of the apps on Google Drive on your NT. You can use various launchers to access these apps and can set a launcher as default instead of the original launcher.
The easiest way to get here is by rooting your NT through an SD card. You only need the SD card for the rooting process. The (rooted) firmware remains on the internal memory of the NT.
In this, you:
Still have acces to all the original Nook apps and features (you are still using the original Nook system)
You have the possibility to UNroot the device and turn it fully back to it's original state
What I am not sure about is:
Can you use / place apps on the home screen?
Can you use / place widgets on the home screen?
Are there any other important differences between Stock (original) and Stock Rooted?
When going for an alternate rom, you have a diversity of choices, but all are fully seperate roms, that either replaces the original firmware or complements it (dual boot). What you get in return is a fully functional, tweakable Android system, on which the version depends on the rom that you choose. You can access Google Drive, install/use most apps, place widgets, use different launchers, etc.
The easiest way to get here is by using a SD card. I can not find the specific topic that explains the procedure though. It seems that you can choose to maintain the original firmware and place the rom on the (external) SD, which leaves you with a dual boot system, or you can replace the stock rom with the custom rom.
In this, you:
Loose usage of all of the NT's orininal apps and features (when using the custom rom)
What I am not sure about is:
Where in the process you can choose to either place the custom rom on the (external) SD or install in the internal memory.
Are there any other important differences between Stock Rooted and custom rom?
My main question is: Can you confirm my findings and help me answer the questions/uncertainties?
I can imagine this thread would be of help to others who spent a lot of time reading, but are left with some basic questions. That is why I took my time writing it.
When you use the sd card method, I use a cm7 card when I boot the tablet with the card it boots up as a regular android tablet. It's does not install anything permanently to the tablet. I get full google play. Like I said no nook software at all just android tablet. I use the nook app if I want to read. It has the cool page turn animation the nook software does not go figure. Take out root sd card turn off and turn it back on with no sd card or an unpacked sd card, it boots up just like it came out of the box. All app installs music anything put on the nook with the hacked card in it goes on the card. You have no access to the nooks memory except ram which gets cleared as soon as u restart it. As long as the hacked sd card is not in it there's no way for anyone to tell you've done anything to it, cuz u haven't it all stays on the sd card. Performance is great I play 3D games like mad trigger with no lag, it's the best of both worlds & only way to go if u ask me. I don't know why anyone would do anything els. It's just to easy. Hope that helped.
Sent from my HTC Amaze 4g
Thread moved. While I appreciate the effort you've put into this post by reading up and finding out about all the different ROM's, you need to also look to make sure you post in the correct sections of the forum and this is also stated in the sticky in the General section, not to post questions in General. If your thread is a question/multiple questions and you even tick the "Is this a question box" when creating the thread then you must post it in the relevant Q&A section.
Thanks
AvRS
hd2joel said:
When you use the sd card method, I use a cm7 card when I boot the tablet with the card it boots up as a regular android tablet. It's does not install anything permanently to the tablet. I get full google play. Like I said no nook software at all just android tablet. I use the nook app if I want to read. It has the cool page turn animation the nook software does not go figure. Take out root sd card turn off and turn it back on with no sd card or an unpacked sd card, it boots up just like it came out of the box. All app installs music anything put on the nook with the hacked card in it goes on the card. You have no access to the nooks memory except ram which gets cleared as soon as u restart it. As long as the hacked sd card is not in it there's no way for anyone to tell you've done anything to it, cuz u haven't it all stays on the sd card. Performance is great I play 3D games like mad trigger with no lag, it's the best of both worlds & only way to go if u ask me. I don't know why anyone would do anything els. It's just to easy. Hope that helped.
Sent from my HTC Amaze 4g
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Thanks, that helps indeed. So basically you only use the CM7 rom, and neglect the stocked software. Sounds like an attractive approach. Thouh it is a bit of a shame that the 8 or 16 GB of internal storage are not usable then.
@AvRS: I did read the section about no questions in the General Forum's policy. I actually thought I posted in the Q&A but appearantly I didn't. I probably started the thread just before I read that part. Thanks for moving it to the proper section.
chris996 said:
What I am not sure about is:
Can you use / place apps on the home screen?
Can you use / place widgets on the home screen?
Are there any other important differences between Stock (original) and Stock Rooted?
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For the first point: Not on firmware 1.4.3, but on lower firmwares you can download an app called Nook Color App Manager (you have to side-load it as it is not in the Play store) that will allow you to do just that.
For the second point: You cannot place widgets on the Stock launcher. You have to install an alternate launcher for widgets.
Also, I think you mean Google Play, not Google Drive.
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Thanks, that helps indeed. So basically you only use the CM7 rom, and neglect the stocked software. Sounds like an attractive approach. Thouh it is a bit of a shame that the 8 or 16 GB of internal storage are not usable then.
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Unless you re-partition your Nook, you never have access to the full 8/16GB. You only have access to the 1GB MyNook partition. You have to re-partition (or have a B&N store do it for you) to get more space for user apps.
Ok guys, thanks for all the answers. A lot more is clear now, but definately not all. Also, yes I mean Google Play / Not Drive (doh, my bad)
As I read more and more, it becomes clear to me that all the information about rooting the Nook is soooooo spread and unorganised. It is nearly impossible to make an informed choice without having to spent hours and hours of reading the forums.
Just now for example, after a total of 2-3 hours reading the forums, it came to my attention that there is a big difference between the 8GB and 16 GB NT and that some rooting procedures can brick the NT8.
Anyway, on with the questions:
It seems that the latest version CM10, is the one that currently has most of the attention and most of the development resources go to this. Is this version now steady? Also for N8GB? Are there still big issues, like: no microphone working, sudded reboots, crashes, etc?
I read that CM9 is no longer being develloped. Is this version steady now? Also for NT 8GB? With a working microphone, no sudden crashes, reboots, etc.? Or was it abandoned while unfinished?
How about CM7? Same questions as the above.
So basically, even afters hours of reading, I still have not figured out which version would be best to use for my 8GB NT, if I want full Android functionality, but with everything working steady (also microphone) and avoid any big issues.
Hope you guys can shine some (more) light on this.
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Ok guys, thanks for all the answers. A lot more is clear now, but definately not all. Also, yes I mean Google Play / Not Drive (doh, my bad)
As I read more and more, it becomes clear to me that all the information about rooting the Nook is soooooo spread and unorganised. It is nearly impossible to make an informed choice without having to spent hours and hours of reading the forums.
Just now for example, after a total of 2-3 hours reading the forums, it came to my attention that there is a big difference between the 8GB and 16 GB NT and that some rooting procedures can brick the NT8.
Anyway, on with the questions:
It seems that the latest version CM10, is the one that currently has most of the attention and most of the development resources go to this. Is this version now steady? Also for N8GB? Are there still big issues, like: no microphone working, sudded reboots, crashes, etc?
I read that CM9 is no longer being develloped. Is this version steady now? Also for NT 8GB? With a working microphone, no sudden crashes, reboots, etc.? Or was it abandoned while unfinished?
How about CM7? Same questions as the above.
So basically, even afters hours of reading, I still have not figured out which version would be best to use for my 8GB NT, if I want full Android functionality, but with everything working steady (also microphone) and avoid any big issues.
Hope you guys can shine some (more) light on this.
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Answers:
1) Most of the dev's I believe use NT 16 GB so NT 8GB is a bit of a risk.
2) True, CM9 is no longer being focused on, Jellybean is the center of attention. No it is not considered steady/daily driver material. You might as well flash a jelly bean rom if you are going to flash a newer rom on ur NT.
3) If you want a guarantee that a ROM will run on the NT 8GB, the CM7 ROM by celticwebsolutions internal version is your best bet. It should be guaranteed to work. All those features you mentioned should be working. VOIP does not work on any of the ROM's currently
Number 3 update
Just one update on part of the question, answer to 3); Magicjack app works on it.
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Answers:
1) Most of the dev's I believe use NT 16 GB so NT 8GB is a bit of a risk.
2) True, CM9 is no longer being focused on, Jellybean is the center of attention. No it is not considered steady/daily driver material. You might as well flash a jelly bean rom if you are going to flash a newer rom on ur NT.
3) If you want a guarantee that a ROM will run on the NT 8GB, the CM7 ROM by celticwebsolutions internal version is your best bet. It should be guaranteed to work. All those features you mentioned should be working. VOIP does not work on any of the ROM's currently
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ShinnAsuka said:
Answers:
1) Most of the dev's I believe use NT 16 GB so NT 8GB is a bit of a risk.
2) True, CM9 is no longer being focused on, Jellybean is the center of attention. No it is not considered steady/daily driver material. You might as well flash a jelly bean rom if you are going to flash a newer rom on ur NT.
3) If you want a guarantee that a ROM will run on the NT 8GB, the CM7 ROM by celticwebsolutions internal version is your best bet. It should be guaranteed to work. All those features you mentioned should be working. VOIP does not work on any of the ROM's currently
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Thanks a lot, that really answers most of my questions. To keep you guys on edge, just two more :
With the CM7 'celticwebsolutions rom' you mention 'internal'. I assume that you mean that this rom overwrites the stock rom. Is there an alternative 100% steady CM7 rom that can be loaded aside the stock rom (on external SD)?
Does the rooted version of the stock rom support VOIP, such as skype?
"Does the rooted version of the stock rom support VOIP, such as skype?" Nope, rooted not rooted on any version will not support direct Skype or Video conferencing app that I know of on NT. This may change once OTG is implemented in future development.
chris996 said:
Thanks a lot, that really answers most of my questions. To keep you guys on edge, just two more :
With the CM7 'celticwebsolutions rom' you mention 'internal'. I assume that you mean that this rom overwrites the stock rom. Is there an alternative 100% steady CM7 rom that can be loaded aside the stock rom (on external SD)?
Does the rooted version of the stock rom support VOIP, such as skype?
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chris996 said:
Thanks a lot, that really answers most of my questions. To keep you guys on edge, just two more :
With the CM7 'celticwebsolutions rom' you mention 'internal'. I assume that you mean that this rom overwrites the stock rom. Is there an alternative 100% steady CM7 rom that can be loaded aside the stock rom (on external SD)?
Does the rooted version of the stock rom support VOIP, such as skype?
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for your first question, there is an SD version but it has not been confirmed to work with NT 8GB
You can however make your own internal sd card version using the internal version provided here and instructions that are listed over a succulent's blog: www.iamafanof.wordpress.com
if you aren't all too tech savvy, I would advise against making your own bootable SD, but if want to experiment and learn a thing or two, go for it!
chris996 said:
Thanks a lot, that really answers most of my questions. To keep you guys on edge, just two more :
With the CM7 'celticwebsolutions rom' you mention 'internal'. I assume that you mean that this rom overwrites the stock rom. Is there an alternative 100% steady CM7 rom that can be loaded aside the stock rom (on external SD)?
Does the rooted version of the stock rom support VOIP, such as skype?
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There are instructions on how to install/create your own SD Card version of any ROM, you just have to try it out.
Skype isn't supported at all. It will install (according to the Play Store online) on my JB (AOKP) NT16, but I don't think it will run. For one thing, there's no camera or camera support.
Which rom can i call with viber or skype??? I used viber on Cm7 but i just can send text message,and when i call i cant hear or talk with anyone:what::what::what:
Cant anybody help me???
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BadKid3011 said:
Which rom can i call with viber or skype??? I used viber on Cm7 but i just can send text message,and when i call i cant hear or talk with anyone:what::what::what:
Cant anybody help me???
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Why not use Magicjack for voip, it free unless you want to get the dongle for less than $30. With video conferencing app like skype, you can only text but what the point of that.