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I have a Gtablet enroute right now and have been doing a lot of reading the last few days. When first released all the talk was that it was a nice peice of hardware but to be any good you had to use a custom ROM with it. Is this still the case with the latest 4xxx update?
Pexcer,
It all depends on what you want. That's what the choices XDA offers here are all
about.
When we started with G-Tablets back last fall, the software was so bad it was
almost unfunctional. It has improved with each update. With 4349 installed you
can put your apps on it and have a functional tablet -- but whether it is good enough
for you is your call.
There are a number of alternate ROMs and each has it assets and liabilities.
The only way I know to approach it is to read the threads related to each rom and
see what those advantages and disadvantages are. You can eliminate some that way.
And whatever you have left, you will just have to try and see what you like.
I know this is not the "Go use the _______________ rom" that a lot of people will
give you -- but I'm not pandering for anybody's rom. I believe everyone should
research, try and make their own choice.
Rev
Pexcer said:
I have a Gtablet enroute right now and have been doing a lot of reading the last few days. When first released all the talk was that it was a nice peice of hardware but to be any good you had to use a custom ROM with it. Is this still the case with the latest 4xxx update?
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I'm more inclined to go with the fastest rom I can get my hands on. I don't care about looks. And stock rom will never be able to fun as fast as custom rom.
That said, you should make this decision on your own. Depends on what you want. If you are like my brother in law who wants everything to be official and fully officially supported, then I suggest you stay with the stock upgraded rom. If you're like me who doesn't care that it's the official release and would rather have a super fast tablet, then custom rom is definitely the way to go.
In another thread, I was endorsing the new calk/clems combo v3, which my quadrant test resulted in 4081. I've posted a picture in this post. Right now, the only thing that seems to be faster than this is the modded xoom, which is only about 80 more. I highly doubt the stock rom will ever be able to give us this much power.
Thanks for the response. I may try the stock UI for a few days when I get it. I have been having difficulty in really seeing the differences between the different ROMs out there though. One thing I plan to do a lot is watch TV shows I've downloaded from TVtorrents, these are 720p x264 in an MKV, is there one mod that can handle Video like that or is that a non issue. I can also grab non HD formats which would have a higher chance of working, but would rather not.
I've also read that hulu can be made to work, at least on one ROM, can't recall which now. If one does Hulu and another doesn't that would be an issue as well. I only download shows that Hulu or Netflix doesn't have.
Any guidance from people familiar with the different options would be appreciated, might save me from some trial and error in the next couple weeks.
Pexcer said:
I've also read that hulu can be made to work, at least on one ROM, can't recall which now. If one does Hulu and another doesn't that would be an issue as well. I only download shows that Hulu or Netflix doesn't have.
Any guidance from people familiar with the different options would be appreciated, might save me from some trial and error in the next couple weeks.
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Torrents blows goats. their download speeds are as fast as my original G Tab os. File Hosting is the way to roll.
Off my soapbox, I agree with goodintentions. Speed and stability is the key. after that, ADW, 3D Launcher, VTLauncher and a few other Home screen launchers can customize your experience. let us know how yours runs. I won't go that route until the ROM's for it (1.2) are out and stable.
I don't have the newest update that just came out, so I can't comment on that. But I can mention why I went back to the stock ROM. I got my g tablet when woot was selling them. I left the stock rom on for a week and it worked pretty well as a shared device between me and my wife. The stock apps let you keep separate accounts. I put on clockwork and formatted the drive as recommended, then I tried TNT lite, g harmony, and cyanogen. They make your tablet like a big phone. When you sign in to the google apps, all you contacts, calendar, and emails are imported. This didn't work so well as a shared tablet. I decided to leave clockwork mod and the recommended formatting but put the original ROM back on. With the proper formatting, the thing isn't too bad. Probably not as fast as some of the folks here would like, but it serves our purpose as a shared device.
Half the fun (and half the aggravation) is trying different roms. Which is best? That is hard to say. Here is what I suggest. Don't get the latest update with the locked bootloader because then there is nothing you can play with. Get Titanium Backup so you can back up your apps. Learn how to connect t o your pc with usb so you can copy your stuff safely away while you play. Install clockworkmod so you can fix things and install different roms. NVflash is also a good thing to set up and learn but you don't have to right away unless you got the latest update. Now do this.
1. Use clockwork mod to make a backup of your original rom and copy it to your pc.
2. Download and install a new rom calkulin/clemsyn is nice. Use clockwork mod again to make a backup of that installation.
3. download another rom and install. Use clockworkmod to make a backup of that one.
4. When you've tried enough of them you can decide which one you like and restore it using clockwork mod.
5. Changed you mind? Restore one of the others!
6. Rinse and repeat as needed.
Remember Titanium Backup will backup your apps and data - so, if you install a new rom you can restore your apps and data. That means you don't have to go fetch them all in the market and you don't have to restart angry birds at level one.
There are lots of tutorials on how to do this stuff - read the stickys.
Good luck
Try a bunch of ROMs
I agree with enigma. I got my Gtablet last week and immediately updated hoping that the new stock ROM was good enough. It isn't. It's slow and "chunky" plus doesn't have access to the Android market.
I've heard good stuff about the calkulin/clemsyn and Vegan. Being that Vegan is Honeycomb I just went with that though I really should have tried calkulin/clemsyn too as so many must like it for a reason.
I'm new to Android as well so don't get too hung up on the difficulty of installing ROMs. There are very clear, step by step instructions to be found here. Each install takes maybe 15 minutes. So in an afternoon you could easily install and play with half a dozen ROMs before deciding on which you like better.
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Half the fun (and half the aggravation) is trying different roms. Which is best? That is hard to say. Here is what I suggest. Don't get the latest update with the locked bootloader because then there is nothing you can play with. Get Titanium Backup so you can back up your apps. Learn how to connect t o your pc with usb so you can copy your stuff safely away while you play. Install clockworkmod so you can fix things and install different roms. NVflash is also a good thing to set up and learn but you don't have to right away unless you got the latest update. Now do this.
1. Use clockwork mod to make a backup of your original rom and copy it to your pc.
2. Download and install a new rom calkulin/clemsyn is nice. Use clockwork mod again to make a backup of that installation.
3. download another rom and install. Use clockworkmod to make a backup of that one.
4. When you've tried enough of them you can decide which one you like and restore it using clockwork mod.
5. Changed you mind? Restore one of the others!
6. Rinse and repeat as needed.
Remember Titanium Backup will backup your apps and data - so, if you install a new rom you can restore your apps and data. That means you don't have to go fetch them all in the market and you don't have to restart angry birds at level one.
There are lots of tutorials on how to do this stuff - read the stickys.
Good luck
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if you need vpn, cifs then you need a custom ROM
It depends on what capabilities you want. I need VPN and COFS so I use TNTL 4.4. Also, you can install alternate keybaords. The custom ROMs also tend to fix a lot of issues.
Shame on Viewsonic for locking bootloader in the 1.2 branch.
ConfuciusTse said:
. Being that Vegan is Honeycomb I just went with that though I really should have tried calkulin/clemsyn too as so many must like it for a reason.
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I know somebody is gonna see this and say something, so I figure I'll be the first to point out its gingerbread not honeycomb.
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I know somebody is gonna see this and say something, so I figure I'll be the first to point out its gingerbread not honeycomb.
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haha, GB is good almost HC good so far.
So I ordered a gtablet and read that flashing it will improve its performance, so I plan on doing that.
I read the guide on how to do it.
I realize each one has its good and bad points.
I am not sure what rom to use. I was going to put vegan on it as I have seen a few people recommend it. I was going through posts on the ginger edition of vegan and saw posts of people having trouble with videos. SO I am leaning towards the vegan 5.1 as people say its stable
I mainly will use the tablet to watch movies, read digital books/comics/magazines and web surf. Would vegan ginger be good pick? Seemed like people were having trouble with video.
When the tablet arrives Im assuming that I should not update it to the latest firmware? Ive seen posts about 1.2 not being compatible. Do I need to make sure I am on certain firmware to root/flash?
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One other quick question. In the tutorial it mention that when you put clockwork on you make new partition. Does this affect the external sdcard, or is it referring to internal memory?
Just want to make sure as I ordered a larger microsd card so I will wait to flash if its needed to partition.
Thanks. If anyone has any tips or tricks you could offer Id appreciate it as well.
THank you
I'll let others answer your questions since I'm fairly new myself, but I wanted to mention a couple things.
As someone that's certainly computer literate, but completely new to tablets and android, I was able to install Vegan 5.1 following the instructions here. I've been happy with it, but still learning the ropes.
My main issue came from not having a gmail.com email address. My google account was linked to a yahoo email address and that caused issues with Google Talk (which also caused issues with the android marketplace). Other than that, it was fairly painless.
all of the things you want to do, watch videos, read books, and surf the web can be done on a Stock G-tablet. If you don't like the visual appeal of the stock rom, or want to have root access to flash kernels, etc, then you'll need to flash a custom Rom.
More than likely, the G-tablet will not be on a 1.2 firmware out of hte box. Viewsonic pulled the 1.2 update a day after releasing it. The 1.2 branch of development is working under the assumption that all future updates will be of the 1.2 form. So, if you flash a 1.1 Rom now, you may need to be prepared to flash a 1.2 rom later on, if you want future official updates.
I was usuing Vegan 5.1.1, and it worked well. It was stable, I could watch videos, read books, and surf the web, just like you want to. Recently, I flashed Brilliant Corners, which is a 1.2 version of Vegan 5.1.1. It works just the same, but now I'm prepared for any future 1.2 Roms with updates that may include hardware acceleration. The only Honeycomb rom, right now, is being developed on the 1.2 development branch. It's still in the Alpha stages, but if you ever want ot check it out, you'll need to be on 1.2.
The partitioning in the instructions does refer to the internal SD card. With any Vegan rom (from what I've observed) including Brilliant Corners, you need to add a file to each folder, including the root of the external SD card if you plan on putting any music or video files on it. You need a ".Nomedia" file. If you don't have that file, for some reason, the media gets wiped occasioanlly on reboot, waking, etc.
I have never tried any of the "ginger" roms (CM7 and Veganginger) Neither have true official hardware acceleration from NVidea, which is what causes some of the video issues.
My personal opinion...since you are a new user, and have a virgin G-Tab, I would suggest that you flash a 1.2 Rom. If you like Vegan-Tab 5.1.1, then flashing Brilliant Corners gives you the same thing. It's not that hard a process, but it's more involved than just flashing a 1.1 rom. The advantage you have right now is that you are bone stock, so you're already halfway there.
Regards,
Todd
Doesnt flashing make the tablet run smoother and give you the android market so you have more apps to choose from?
I'll admit Im getting discourage from reading the forum. Seems like after you flash a rom then you have to do alot of this to get that working again afterwards. Like it will be one problem after another.
Is this the case? Or is it just that people dont post when it works only when it doesnt making it seem worse to people looking around.
I was looking around and see some posts about running nvflash first before anything else.
I tried searching for a guide on it but couldnt find one on how to make initial back-up before I start flashing.
Can anyone post the correct link?
I see other posts about clockwork recovery.
So I am not sure what to do.
Should I just follow this guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=865245
or should I do something more?
Don't be discouraged, the problems don't happen to everyone, and most are resolved.
If you know how to work a computer and can follow instructions you should be fine.
I got my g Tablet in april, it still had the original ROM on it, from the time I opened the packaging to the time I got VEGAN Ginger running on it was about 40 minutes, and most of that was from downloading and installing things on my windows machine, lol.
Once I got VEGAN ginger running I haven't had any major issues with it. I have full access to the Android market, the Amazon market, and the NVIDIA market.
The VEGAN ginger runs Tegra games great BTW, Dungeon defenders and GunBroz both run flawlessly.
It's definitely worth it to put a custom ROM on, and VEGAN ginger is a good choice.
If you'd like, later I'll try to put a few movies on it and play them, that's one thing I haven't done. Also I've heard theres a netflix app available, I'll try that as well.
Doesnt flashing make the tablet run smoother and give you the android market so you have more apps to choose from?
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I would say that originally customs roms made it run smoother, only becuase the original stock rom was pure garbage. As for android market fixes, you don't need a custom rom for them.
Seems like after you flash a rom then you have to do alot of this to get that working again afterwards. Like it will be one problem after another.
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It depends on the rom, I think. Some of them are still in development, so aren't the completed versions yet. I can tell you that my first flash of Vegan 5.1.1 worked flawlessly. Everything worked as I expected it when I was done flashing.
I was looking around and see some posts about running nvflash first before anything else.
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This is preventative mantainence...being comfortable with NVflash will help you in case anything goes wrong. People suggest that you are familiar with it because many times, it's the only way to recover from a soft brick.
As I mentioned before, just about everything you want to do can be done on stock firmware. Rooting your device will give you more options, like overclocking, or running custom kernels. It will also give you the option to flash the custom roms, if you ever want to. CWM will give you more recovery options, enabling you to make a backup of your system, etc.
If you find that stock firmware isn't workign up to your standards, then by all means, take the plunge and root your device, install CWM, and flash the rom of your choice.
I am new to the forum and the G Tab but have been browsing. I just got the G Tab today and wanted to pursue the Roebeets+Clemsyn's Honeycomb COMBO alpha path!
I have a few questions...
Assuming I have the 1.2 BL (4349) out of the box do I still need to re-partition the G-Tab with 2048/0MB and wipe before proceeding?
Can I skip the following steps?
1. Nvflash to 3588 STOCK DO NOT USE CWM FOR 3588
2. Do not install CWM (we need the stock recovery)
3. DO NOT INSTALL CWM (we need the stock recovery)
4. PLEASE DO NOT INSTALL CWM
5. Reboot
And start from here assuming the partition sizes are correct?
6. RENAME COMBO FILE NAME TO Update.zip
7. Move Update.zip to /sdcard folder
8. Unzip recover.zip and move recovery folder to /sdcard folder
8. Turn off
10. Press Power+Volume up then this will install Update.zip
I know I should NOT install CWM as it wont work until after I flash the ROM which I assume is included in the ROM image.
Is there anything else I need to do before proceeding? I will backup the original ROM of course.
Thanks in advance and what an excellent resource
Do you know what what alpha means? It means it's not recommended for new users. There are many things that still don't work.
That said, technically you can skip all of that. Do you even know why we recommend people to repartition to 2048/0? It's because of compatibility issues. If you don't repartition from the beginning, the system will eventually force closes everything.
I highly recommend you visit my sight. It's written for beginners.
http://viewsonic-gtablet-for-dummies.webs.com/
Yes I do know what alpha means I deal with devs all of the time. I wanted to clarify the partition sizes because it wasn't mentioned in the dev thread as most users there were already coming from previous mods. I will check out your site though and I appreciate the advice. I may be a noob to the G-Tab and Andriod but am an IT admin by trade.
Thanks!
Ok. Still, chances are you will eventually have force closing issue. And I do mean it's bad. That's why the recommendation nowadays is for people to repartition right away before they start putting their own crap into the sdcard. Partitioning erases everything in the sdcard. So, better do it now than later when you already have all your crap in there.
Agreed! I went through your sight and it was very helpful. Thanks. I didn't realize that VS kept the same partition scheme I thought maybe with 1.2 they would have made some changes for the better. But it doesn't matter I will wipe and reformat anyway. I got the G-Tab yesterday and fired it up. WOW is it slow for a dual core. My Droid X runs circles around it...
Thanks again!
Oh by the way... I configured WiFi and I dont broadcast my SSID. I setup the G-Tab for my network and but it stated "Network out of range". So I enabled the SSID and then it connected. Everything worked just fine until I turned off the SSID broadcast again. Now the G-Tab cannot states it's out of range again. Is there anyway to force it? My other Android device and iPad dont have this issue. I hate broadcasting my SSID.
Thanks!
Hey GI,
Can you verify this step from your site? In Part D after the backup you don't want to go to Install ZIP? I skipped that because it is repeated after the wipes and that made more sense...
Thanks!
Part D (flashing a 1.2 ROM)
After backup is done, ----->>>>>>go back out and select "install zip from sdcard". <<<<<<<---------
Choose "wipe data/factory reset".
Choose "wipe cache partition".
Once it's done, go back out to root menu and choose "advanced".
Choose "Wipe Dalvik Cache".
Go back out and choose "install zip from sdcard".
Go into folder "Rom" and choose the Rom that you picked from the list. Watch it install.
After ROM installation is complete, repeat steps 6 and 7 for the GAPPS file IF YOU NEED TO.
Once everything is done, go back out to root menu and choose "reboot system now".
Well, we have a rooted and ROM'd G-Tab and man it is way more snappy. Thanks again to GI for his excellent web site. The new ROM also fixed my WiFi issue
G-Tab Rom
DroidxManiac said:
Well, we have a rooted and ROM'd G-Tab and man it is way more snappy. Thanks again to GI for his excellent web site. The new ROM also fixed my WiFi issue
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Which Rom did you end up going with? My GTAB will be here Monday. I want to get rid of the stock sluggishness but I'd also like my first ROM to have full functionality , etc so I can check out the camera, videos and all that on my new device. Maybe after some playtime I'll jump to an HC beta that still has issues.
I've done plenty of modding and ROM swapping for the last year on my Cappy, Atrix, and Aria so I'm no noob. I would just like to jump right into the most feature rich, yet stable ROM on day one so I can really check out my new device.
Thanks!
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Which Rom did you end up going with? My GTAB will be here Monday. I want to get rid of the stock sluggishness but I'd also like my first ROM to have full functionality , etc so I can check out the camera, videos and all that on my new device. Maybe after some playtime I'll jump to an HC beta that still has issues.
I've done plenty of modding and ROM swapping for the last year on my Cappy, Atrix, and Aria so I'm no noob. I would just like to jump right into the most feature rich, yet stable ROM on day one so I can really check out my new device.
Thanks!
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Pretty much all froyo roms listed on my site have full functionality (HW accel, video, sound, wifi, camera, etc.). And all of them can be overclocked.
With gingerbread roms, you really need to overclock to get the same video smoothness that you see in froyo because of the lack of HW accel. This is not the developer's fault. And no, it's not my fault either. The mofos NVIDIA and VS decided to stop supporting their product a couple months after they were released.
I'd stay away from the honeycomb roms if I were you. All of them are in their alpha stages right now. Even though most functions work, there are still instability issues. They're only recommended for testers right now.
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Pretty much all froyo roms listed on my site have full functionality (HW accel, video, sound, wifi, camera, etc.). And all of them can be overclocked.
With gingerbread roms, you really need to overclock to get the same video smoothness that you see in froyo because of the lack of HW accel. This is not the developer's fault. And no, it's not my fault either. The mofos NVIDIA and VS decided to stop supporting their product a couple months after they were released.
I'd stay away from the honeycomb roms if I were you. All of them are in their alpha stages right now. Even though most functions work, there are still instability issues. They're only recommended for testers right now.
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@goodintentions. I thank you to provide your useful advice.
grayfoxx said:
Which Rom did you end up going with? My GTAB will be here Monday. I want to get rid of the stock sluggishness but I'd also like my first ROM to have full functionality , etc so I can check out the camera, videos and all that on my new device. Maybe after some playtime I'll jump to an HC beta that still has issues.
I've done plenty of modding and ROM swapping for the last year on my Cappy, Atrix, and Aria so I'm no noob. I would just like to jump right into the most feature rich, yet stable ROM on day one so I can really check out my new device.
Thanks!
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I tried three or four ROMs so far. Among them, my favorite is:
Calkulin + Clemsyn Combo Overclock at 1.5 ghz v5 (Froyo)
It is impressively fast, and the phone function works right of the box. It integrates nicely with either Google voice or Skype.
Calkulin's rom is by itself an already super fast rom. It's actually based off of the TnT. Incredible how he was able to make it work so well.
For starters. I am a Nook noob and I am not affraid to admit it.
I have read, read, read, and then read some more about rooting, roms, CWM, CM, and so on and I did puzzle most of the pieces together, but not all.
If I got it right there basically are 3 different roms one can choose for the NT:
Stock rom (the original state)
Stock rom Rooted
Alternate roms: CM (7,8,9), MIUI or any other variation of Android firmware distribution
The usage distribution of the roms can be found in a poll here.
Stock (original) limits you in using full potential of the NT, which typically means that you can not use Google Drive, install/use any apps other then the ones Nook market provides. You can not put apps on the home screen, use any widgets and you are very limited in what you can alterate on the system.
Stock Rooted is the state in which that you are still using the original firmware, however you now have root acces. This means that you have acces to Google Drive and are able to install/use most of the apps on Google Drive on your NT. You can use various launchers to access these apps and can set a launcher as default instead of the original launcher.
The easiest way to get here is by rooting your NT through an SD card. You only need the SD card for the rooting process. The (rooted) firmware remains on the internal memory of the NT.
In this, you:
Still have acces to all the original Nook apps and features (you are still using the original Nook system)
You have the possibility to UNroot the device and turn it fully back to it's original state
What I am not sure about is:
Can you use / place apps on the home screen?
Can you use / place widgets on the home screen?
Are there any other important differences between Stock (original) and Stock Rooted?
When going for an alternate rom, you have a diversity of choices, but all are fully seperate roms, that either replaces the original firmware or complements it (dual boot). What you get in return is a fully functional, tweakable Android system, on which the version depends on the rom that you choose. You can access Google Drive, install/use most apps, place widgets, use different launchers, etc.
The easiest way to get here is by using a SD card. I can not find the specific topic that explains the procedure though. It seems that you can choose to maintain the original firmware and place the rom on the (external) SD, which leaves you with a dual boot system, or you can replace the stock rom with the custom rom.
In this, you:
Loose usage of all of the NT's orininal apps and features (when using the custom rom)
What I am not sure about is:
Where in the process you can choose to either place the custom rom on the (external) SD or install in the internal memory.
Are there any other important differences between Stock Rooted and custom rom?
My main question is: Can you confirm my findings and help me answer the questions/uncertainties?
I can imagine this thread would be of help to others who spent a lot of time reading, but are left with some basic questions. That is why I took my time writing it.
When you use the sd card method, I use a cm7 card when I boot the tablet with the card it boots up as a regular android tablet. It's does not install anything permanently to the tablet. I get full google play. Like I said no nook software at all just android tablet. I use the nook app if I want to read. It has the cool page turn animation the nook software does not go figure. Take out root sd card turn off and turn it back on with no sd card or an unpacked sd card, it boots up just like it came out of the box. All app installs music anything put on the nook with the hacked card in it goes on the card. You have no access to the nooks memory except ram which gets cleared as soon as u restart it. As long as the hacked sd card is not in it there's no way for anyone to tell you've done anything to it, cuz u haven't it all stays on the sd card. Performance is great I play 3D games like mad trigger with no lag, it's the best of both worlds & only way to go if u ask me. I don't know why anyone would do anything els. It's just to easy. Hope that helped.
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Thread moved. While I appreciate the effort you've put into this post by reading up and finding out about all the different ROM's, you need to also look to make sure you post in the correct sections of the forum and this is also stated in the sticky in the General section, not to post questions in General. If your thread is a question/multiple questions and you even tick the "Is this a question box" when creating the thread then you must post it in the relevant Q&A section.
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AvRS
hd2joel said:
When you use the sd card method, I use a cm7 card when I boot the tablet with the card it boots up as a regular android tablet. It's does not install anything permanently to the tablet. I get full google play. Like I said no nook software at all just android tablet. I use the nook app if I want to read. It has the cool page turn animation the nook software does not go figure. Take out root sd card turn off and turn it back on with no sd card or an unpacked sd card, it boots up just like it came out of the box. All app installs music anything put on the nook with the hacked card in it goes on the card. You have no access to the nooks memory except ram which gets cleared as soon as u restart it. As long as the hacked sd card is not in it there's no way for anyone to tell you've done anything to it, cuz u haven't it all stays on the sd card. Performance is great I play 3D games like mad trigger with no lag, it's the best of both worlds & only way to go if u ask me. I don't know why anyone would do anything els. It's just to easy. Hope that helped.
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Thanks, that helps indeed. So basically you only use the CM7 rom, and neglect the stocked software. Sounds like an attractive approach. Thouh it is a bit of a shame that the 8 or 16 GB of internal storage are not usable then.
@AvRS: I did read the section about no questions in the General Forum's policy. I actually thought I posted in the Q&A but appearantly I didn't. I probably started the thread just before I read that part. Thanks for moving it to the proper section.
chris996 said:
What I am not sure about is:
Can you use / place apps on the home screen?
Can you use / place widgets on the home screen?
Are there any other important differences between Stock (original) and Stock Rooted?
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For the first point: Not on firmware 1.4.3, but on lower firmwares you can download an app called Nook Color App Manager (you have to side-load it as it is not in the Play store) that will allow you to do just that.
For the second point: You cannot place widgets on the Stock launcher. You have to install an alternate launcher for widgets.
Also, I think you mean Google Play, not Google Drive.
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Thanks, that helps indeed. So basically you only use the CM7 rom, and neglect the stocked software. Sounds like an attractive approach. Thouh it is a bit of a shame that the 8 or 16 GB of internal storage are not usable then.
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Unless you re-partition your Nook, you never have access to the full 8/16GB. You only have access to the 1GB MyNook partition. You have to re-partition (or have a B&N store do it for you) to get more space for user apps.
Ok guys, thanks for all the answers. A lot more is clear now, but definately not all. Also, yes I mean Google Play / Not Drive (doh, my bad)
As I read more and more, it becomes clear to me that all the information about rooting the Nook is soooooo spread and unorganised. It is nearly impossible to make an informed choice without having to spent hours and hours of reading the forums.
Just now for example, after a total of 2-3 hours reading the forums, it came to my attention that there is a big difference between the 8GB and 16 GB NT and that some rooting procedures can brick the NT8.
Anyway, on with the questions:
It seems that the latest version CM10, is the one that currently has most of the attention and most of the development resources go to this. Is this version now steady? Also for N8GB? Are there still big issues, like: no microphone working, sudded reboots, crashes, etc?
I read that CM9 is no longer being develloped. Is this version steady now? Also for NT 8GB? With a working microphone, no sudden crashes, reboots, etc.? Or was it abandoned while unfinished?
How about CM7? Same questions as the above.
So basically, even afters hours of reading, I still have not figured out which version would be best to use for my 8GB NT, if I want full Android functionality, but with everything working steady (also microphone) and avoid any big issues.
Hope you guys can shine some (more) light on this.
chris996 said:
Ok guys, thanks for all the answers. A lot more is clear now, but definately not all. Also, yes I mean Google Play / Not Drive (doh, my bad)
As I read more and more, it becomes clear to me that all the information about rooting the Nook is soooooo spread and unorganised. It is nearly impossible to make an informed choice without having to spent hours and hours of reading the forums.
Just now for example, after a total of 2-3 hours reading the forums, it came to my attention that there is a big difference between the 8GB and 16 GB NT and that some rooting procedures can brick the NT8.
Anyway, on with the questions:
It seems that the latest version CM10, is the one that currently has most of the attention and most of the development resources go to this. Is this version now steady? Also for N8GB? Are there still big issues, like: no microphone working, sudded reboots, crashes, etc?
I read that CM9 is no longer being develloped. Is this version steady now? Also for NT 8GB? With a working microphone, no sudden crashes, reboots, etc.? Or was it abandoned while unfinished?
How about CM7? Same questions as the above.
So basically, even afters hours of reading, I still have not figured out which version would be best to use for my 8GB NT, if I want full Android functionality, but with everything working steady (also microphone) and avoid any big issues.
Hope you guys can shine some (more) light on this.
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1) Most of the dev's I believe use NT 16 GB so NT 8GB is a bit of a risk.
2) True, CM9 is no longer being focused on, Jellybean is the center of attention. No it is not considered steady/daily driver material. You might as well flash a jelly bean rom if you are going to flash a newer rom on ur NT.
3) If you want a guarantee that a ROM will run on the NT 8GB, the CM7 ROM by celticwebsolutions internal version is your best bet. It should be guaranteed to work. All those features you mentioned should be working. VOIP does not work on any of the ROM's currently
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Just one update on part of the question, answer to 3); Magicjack app works on it.
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Answers:
1) Most of the dev's I believe use NT 16 GB so NT 8GB is a bit of a risk.
2) True, CM9 is no longer being focused on, Jellybean is the center of attention. No it is not considered steady/daily driver material. You might as well flash a jelly bean rom if you are going to flash a newer rom on ur NT.
3) If you want a guarantee that a ROM will run on the NT 8GB, the CM7 ROM by celticwebsolutions internal version is your best bet. It should be guaranteed to work. All those features you mentioned should be working. VOIP does not work on any of the ROM's currently
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ShinnAsuka said:
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1) Most of the dev's I believe use NT 16 GB so NT 8GB is a bit of a risk.
2) True, CM9 is no longer being focused on, Jellybean is the center of attention. No it is not considered steady/daily driver material. You might as well flash a jelly bean rom if you are going to flash a newer rom on ur NT.
3) If you want a guarantee that a ROM will run on the NT 8GB, the CM7 ROM by celticwebsolutions internal version is your best bet. It should be guaranteed to work. All those features you mentioned should be working. VOIP does not work on any of the ROM's currently
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Thanks a lot, that really answers most of my questions. To keep you guys on edge, just two more :
With the CM7 'celticwebsolutions rom' you mention 'internal'. I assume that you mean that this rom overwrites the stock rom. Is there an alternative 100% steady CM7 rom that can be loaded aside the stock rom (on external SD)?
Does the rooted version of the stock rom support VOIP, such as skype?
"Does the rooted version of the stock rom support VOIP, such as skype?" Nope, rooted not rooted on any version will not support direct Skype or Video conferencing app that I know of on NT. This may change once OTG is implemented in future development.
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Thanks a lot, that really answers most of my questions. To keep you guys on edge, just two more :
With the CM7 'celticwebsolutions rom' you mention 'internal'. I assume that you mean that this rom overwrites the stock rom. Is there an alternative 100% steady CM7 rom that can be loaded aside the stock rom (on external SD)?
Does the rooted version of the stock rom support VOIP, such as skype?
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Thanks a lot, that really answers most of my questions. To keep you guys on edge, just two more :
With the CM7 'celticwebsolutions rom' you mention 'internal'. I assume that you mean that this rom overwrites the stock rom. Is there an alternative 100% steady CM7 rom that can be loaded aside the stock rom (on external SD)?
Does the rooted version of the stock rom support VOIP, such as skype?
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for your first question, there is an SD version but it has not been confirmed to work with NT 8GB
You can however make your own internal sd card version using the internal version provided here and instructions that are listed over a succulent's blog: www.iamafanof.wordpress.com
if you aren't all too tech savvy, I would advise against making your own bootable SD, but if want to experiment and learn a thing or two, go for it!
chris996 said:
Thanks a lot, that really answers most of my questions. To keep you guys on edge, just two more :
With the CM7 'celticwebsolutions rom' you mention 'internal'. I assume that you mean that this rom overwrites the stock rom. Is there an alternative 100% steady CM7 rom that can be loaded aside the stock rom (on external SD)?
Does the rooted version of the stock rom support VOIP, such as skype?
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There are instructions on how to install/create your own SD Card version of any ROM, you just have to try it out.
Skype isn't supported at all. It will install (according to the Play Store online) on my JB (AOKP) NT16, but I don't think it will run. For one thing, there's no camera or camera support.
Which rom can i call with viber or skype??? I used viber on Cm7 but i just can send text message,and when i call i cant hear or talk with anyone:what::what::what:
Cant anybody help me???
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Which rom can i call with viber or skype??? I used viber on Cm7 but i just can send text message,and when i call i cant hear or talk with anyone:what::what::what:
Cant anybody help me???
Sent from my Nook Tablet using xda premium
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Why not use Magicjack for voip, it free unless you want to get the dongle for less than $30. With video conferencing app like skype, you can only text but what the point of that.
The original post for the easy instructions to root the NT are a mess. The original instructions for doing it on Windows aren't even complete. I started building the files by following the Linux version of the instructions since they actually made sense and had the files you were to get.
If I'm not mistaken though I ended up using this to root the nook although it wasn't really what I was looking for considering I had CM7 and I would get a boot choice to go nook or android. That all stopped when the sd card I was using freaked itself and failed leaving me stuck at the N screen unless I pulled the SD card. My intentions were to leave the NT stock and not mess with it and run Cyanogen on the sd card. What it appears I'm left with though (without installing a rom) is a co-mingling Nook OS and Android OS since I'm now able to choose a launcher and I have Android screens with those launchers in the Nook itself. Which this is kinda cool because I don't have to reboot the system to switch to the reader anymore.
I installed Launcher 8 to give it some WIN8 love and easy access for my fiancee whom uses a mouth stick to get around in android easier. My problem I'm having is the android system doesn't seem complete. I'm assuming there are gaps missing or something because things are slow and some things aren't working when the icon is selected. Which simulates the program isn't actually there or the files to make it work.
Obviously there wouldn't be a phone but there are other things that used to work with the dual booting CM7 installed on the old SD card that aren't working now.
Since I'm not exactly sure if the above is how I ended up rooting the device I don't even know where to go from here to adding anything to it.
I'm not a developer and loaded this thing up about this time last year. The scenery has changed over the year and I'm kinda lost with all this again. Spent most of the day yesterday trying to figure out where I was and really got no where. So hopefully someone get's what I'm talking about and can give me the push in the right direction.
Not looking to make it dual boot again because this is easier for my fiancee to use like it is. Just want everything to work right like it should. I couldn't tell you what version android I have on here because I never actually loaded an individual rom yet there is android functioning on the device. My idea was to get the newest android which isn't 4.4 yet and is actually from what I can tell that is working would be JB. Yet I have no clue what this thing is running on with the loader and such I have on it.
I'm not enirely sure what it is you want, You say you don't want dual boot, and yet you talk about the non-wotking sd card as if you actually want dual boot.
Anyway, IF you want dual boot you don't need to root it at all. Just burn an sd card with a ready-made CM10.x image, pop it in and boot up. Then choose either internal, stock boot or run from sd-card.
Here is a link to a page with ready-made sd card image file:
http://iamafanof.wordpress.com/2012/11/18/cm10-0-jellybean-sdcard-img-for-nook-tablet/
(This guy, Succulent, has inages of later versions of CM10.x as well, but this is the one I had a link to wothout having to go look for it.)
If you want the Tablet back to fresh "out of the box" condition you can use a repart.img that you can find by looking around a bit. I have referred to it in several posts, but I don't have a link at hand right now, Google is your friend...
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I'm not enirely sure what it is you want, You say you don't want dual boot, and yet you talk about the non-wotking sd card as if you actually want dual boot.
Anyway, IF you want dual boot you don't need to root it at all. Just burn an sd card with a ready-made CM10.x image, pop it in and boot up. Then choose either internal, stock boot or run from sd-card.
Here is a link to a page with ready-made sd card image file:
http://iamafanof.wordpress.com/2012/11/18/cm10-0-jellybean-sdcard-img-for-nook-tablet/
(This guy, Succulent, has inages of later versions of CM10.x as well, but this is the one I had a link to wothout having to go look for it.)
If you want the Tablet back to fresh "out of the box" condition you can use a repart.img that you can find by looking around a bit. I have referred to it in several posts, but I don't have a link at hand right now, Google is your friend...
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*The non working sd card*
It was running as a dual boot before with cyogen or something like that and it would be selectable to go to Nook or the CM7 Android. That card somehow just died and can't even be seen in Windows anymore (have an rma filed with Patriot).
I rooted the nook and now I have what appears to be a partial android OS running inside the BN Nook OS but things aren't functioning. (I prefer it like this vs the dual boot way) So it's like I need a gapps file or something. All settings links lead to the Nook OS settings page and nothing get's me to the Android settings which is why I state it appears to be a partial Android OS. I don't even know what OS version it is because nothing fully functions with the Android side of things. (Take the Launcher8 Loader I installed. No icons actually open what they should. Selecting an icon leads to that icons settings and not what it should be opening. I have the same loader on my Skyrocket so I know how it SHOULD function and selecting an icon to get options for it is not correct. You have to press and hold to get the button to set the icon options.)
You won't get "proper" Android just by rooting. For that you need to install CM x.x. Either install it internally or run it from sd (that you apparently don't want to do)
I have not followed the particular root process you used, but both of the ones I have used myself come with gApps included.
The ones I have used:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1488035
Or
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=21275927#post21275927
The first one (Brian’s) require a 2 GB card the other one (Albert’s) just needs a very small card. (I think 128 MB would do, but I don’t have any that small to try)
Both give good instructions in their topics.
Both install gApps.
asawi said:
You won't get "proper" Android just by rooting. For that you need to install CM x.x. Either install it internally or run it from sd (that you apprently don't want to do)
I have not followed the particular root process you used, but both of the ones I have used myself come with gApps included.
The ones I have used:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1488035
Or http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...7#post21275927
The first one (Brian’s) require a 2 GB card the other one (Albert’s) just needs a very small card. (I think 128 MB would do, but I don’t have any that small to try)
Both give good instructions in their topics.
Both install gApps.
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404 on the first link and not found on the other link. LOL Your having the luck I am.
LOL looks like you found out yourself.
scgt1 said:
404 on the first link and not found on the other link. LOL Your having the luck I am.
LOL looks like you found out yourself.
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Edited links so they work now.
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Edited links so they work now.
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Brian's method looks a hell of a lot familiar like that may have been what I did instead but the listing of apps with his doesn't match what I have on the nook now: (only thing I didn't put in the list was what I installed off google play which is launcher8)
android reader
car home
chess
contacts
crossword
downloads
email
es file explorer
flash player settings
getjar
google search
home
home manager
home catcher
hulu plus
music player
my media
netflix
news and weather
nook friends
nook video
nookhwtest
nookviewer
nt hidden settings
pandora
play store
sound recorder
spare parts
splashtop remote
sudoku
superuser
talk
testcenterservice
twitter
That is all the installed apps that pull up under the Nook OS with using Launcher8 and swipping the homescreen to the left it pulls up a list of installed apps just like windows phone.
It must be brians anyway because I just opened the nook hidden settings and under the about Nook Tablet Hidden Settings it shows:
Contact information: [email protected]
Version 0.5.0
I'm just going to move this over here:
asawi said:
This is the development section. Not meant for Q&A. I've already told you how you can return the Tablet to out of the box condition over in that section.
Sent from my Nook HD+ using Tapatalk 4
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It is the development section I am aware of that and can read. I'm in the 10.2 thread which is actually what I want running on the NT. So what better place to get the help for it then in the thread for it like everyone else has.
Actually you are incorrect as you say nothing about returning the tablet to stock out of the box. Must have been someone else your thinking of. I don't want it to be out of the box though. The nook OS was already setup with apps and books etc. I just want to reverse the rooting I guess to remove the stock android from it so I can then use the links you provided to create a correct root and dual boot using wait for it.....
CM 10.2
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Actually you are incorrect as you say nothing about returning the tablet to stock out of the box.
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Really?? Read the last two lines in my first post in this topic.
Also, there is a sticky on top of the topic list in the development section about what is meant to go there and what's not: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1499105
asawi said:
Really?? Read the last two lines in my first post in this topic.
Also, there is a sticky on top of the topic list in the development section about what is meant to go there and what's not: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1499105
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Ok I stand corrected on that matter, but stock out of the box isn't what I want.
I'm not sure you can undo what you've done without loosing content. But as long as you backup your sideloaded stuff, your BN books and apps can be dowloaded at any time.
I suppose you can stay rooted and just disable your alternative launcher and what have you, but you said something about your system being slowed up, and I susoect fixing that without a wipe of some sort would be difficult. Could be wrong though snce I haven't dealt with that myself. Let's hope someone that knows better might come along with advice more to your liking.
While waiting for that you can always make one of the CM 10.x sd card images and run it.It will work completely independent from your trublesome stock OS.
System isn't slow at all also anything side loaded came from B&N so could also be redownloaded like the books. I was just hoping to keep all that intact as it was. There just aren't certain things working that should is all. I'm sure if I was a dev and understood all this stuff more clear I could fix it. I would rather take the easy cheesy way out and just redo it. lol Too much stuff around the house falling behind while messing with this thing.
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Not looking to make it dual boot again because this is easier for my fiancee to use like it is. Just want everything to work right like it should. I couldn't tell you what version android I have on here because I never actually loaded an individual rom yet there is android functioning on the device. My idea was to get the newest android which isn't 4.4 yet and is actually from what I can tell that is working would be JB. Yet I have no clue what this thing is running on with the loader and such I have on it.
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The BN stock ROM is based on Android v3.2 ("Honeycomb"). Rooting it essentially enables you to install additional apps beyond those that came with the stock ROM, either via the Playstore or by side-loading & installing the apps' .apk files (rooting packages/tools themselves typically add some commonly used apps (Email, Playstore, etc.) to get the user started).
The risk of using rooted stock ROM on the NT (especially as BN won't be releasing any more update for it) is you're stuck with the Android 3.2 base, thus as developers' support for 3.2 wanes over time you won't be able to install newer apps or even newer updates of many current apps. This same "Android version obsolescence" consideration also applies to CM7 and CM9.
As such I think it make the most sense to install CM10 to replace the stock ROM internally on emmc. If you value stability over having the latest/greatest bells/whistles, try Succulent's CM10.0 version dated 12/31/12, or the CM official 10.1.3.
digixmax said:
The BN stock ROM is based on Android v3.2 ("Honeycomb"). Rooting it essentially enables you to install additional apps beyond those that came with the stock ROM, either via the Playstore or by side-loading & installing the apps' .apk files (rooting packages/tools themselves typically add some commonly used apps (Email, Playstore, etc.) to get the user started).
The risk of using rooted stock ROM on the NT (especially as BN won't be releasing any more update for it) is you're stuck with the Android 3.2 base, thus as developers' support for 3.2 wanes over time you won't be able to install newer apps or even newer updates of many current apps. This same "Android version obsolescence" consideration also applies to CM7 and CM9.
As such I think it make the most sense to install CM10 to replace the stock ROM internally on emmc. If you value stability over having the latest/greatest bells/whistles, try Succulent's CM10.0 version dated 12/31/12, or the CM official 10.1.3.
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So CM 10 can replace the current android OS inside Nook? Or are you saying CM 10 will replace the Nook OS all together if put on the emmc?
scgt1 said:
So CM 10 can replace the current android OS inside Nook? Or are you saying CM 10 will replace the Nook OS all together if put on the emmc?
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It will alltogether replace the Nook OS. As said in one of the posts in the development section thread they are mutually exclusive.
If you want to keep any of the original Nook functions you cannot run another Android veresion except from sd-card (meaning dual boot).
asawi said:
It will alltogether replace the Nook OS. As said in one of the posts in the development section thread they are mutually exclusive.
If you want to keep any of the original Nook functions you cannot run another Android veresion except from sd-card (meaning dual boot).
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That's what I thought but the other user made it seem like CM 10 would replace the Honeycomb OS. So that leaves with with waiting for other input on the possibility to unroot without going to complete stock on the Nook..........
scgt1 said:
That's what I thought but the other user made it seem like CM 10 would replace the Honeycomb OS. So that leaves with with waiting for other input on the possibility to unroot without going to complete stock on the Nook..........
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Unroot without going to complete stock??
Your options:
Unrooted = stock.
Rooted stock (what you run now) = stock but with access to system files and ability to use for example Google Play store.
Install CM 10.x internally = completely replacing Nook OS.
Dual boot: Running CM 10.x from sd card, leaving the Nook OS (rooted or unrooted, either works) internally. Remove sd-card or reboot through Cyanoboot (you can leave the card in the device) to get to Nook OS.
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Unroot without going to complete stock??
Your options:
Unrooted = stock.
Rooted stock (what you run now) = stock but with access to system files and ability to use for example Google Play store.
Install CM 10.x internally = completely replacing Nook OS.
Dual boot: Running CM 10.x from sd card, leaving the Nook OS (rooted or unrooted, either works) internally. Remove sd-card or reboot through Cyanoboot (you can leave the card in the device) to get to Nook OS.
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Yea haven't heard back from anyone on the returning to stock without the complete reset so It looks like I will be moving books over in the near future.
So I'm getting back onto this thing and finishing it up either tonight or tomorrow.
Resetting the Nook to stock can all be done via the nook settings correct? IE no sd card needed.