I didn't plan to buy this tablet. I have always said that the iPad is the tablet to have and if your paying $500 then its a no brainer. I played with the flyer for about 20 minutes and realized that it is the most complete tablet to date. If you are into specs then there are better spec'd devices that are not ready for the market.
Pros:
1. Build quality
2. UI is outstanding and sense apps are perfectly optimized for this tablet.
3. Stylus should be an option with useable features for all tablets.
4. Email app is the best.
5. Battery life is just as good as any tablet minus am hour to the iPad.
6. Good size for typing
7. Movies from HTC's service look outstanding
Cons:
1. 7 inch not for everyone
2. No dual core processor
3. No honeycomb yet
4. 5mp camera takes fuzzy pics but seems like its software related
6. When typing in landscape mode I hit the capacitive buttons
It is an outstanding peice of tech and the 1.5 ghz processor seems just as good as a 1 ghz dual core.
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You can take action screenshots by tapping the screen with the stylus.
I did this entire review on my flyer to include uploading the pics onto Photobucket in the same manner you do on a pc/mac.
Thanks for the write up. it was very informative.
I'm having the same issue as you did. It just seems hard to spend $580+tax for a 7" tablet, when you can get a ipad 2 for $500.
I do like Android better, but bang for buck...tough choice.
stepchild said:
Thanks for the write up. it was very informative.
I'm having the same issue as you did. It just seems hard to spend $580+tax for a 7" tablet, when you can get a ipad 2 for $500.
I do like Android better, but bang for buck...tough choice.
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It is a tough choice, but I would choose the flyer. Ipad is perfect with great apps, but memory is not upgradeable and I use it for watching movies in bed or chilling on the couch and I don't need the big screen. I think this is an alternative to the ipad that actually makes sense. Honeycomb will be a better choice when its ready.
I've been reading all these reviews and was on edge on purchasing it. Went into Best Buy today and tried to demo to settle my qualms about the device, and I was abit disappointed... The only thing I was really looking for was the lag on the homescreen UI and I was hoping it would be snappy but even switching between homescreens would present consistent little hiccups =/. The pen usage was actually pretty decent though! It's not like writing on paper of course, nothing close to that in fact but respectable. All in all I think I passed on the flyer because little hiccups in the interface is a dealbreaker for me ;(.
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The only thing I was really looking for was the lag on the homescreen UI and I was hoping it would be snappy but even switching between homescreens would present consistent little hiccups =/.
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That's toobad about your evaluation. I ended up loading ADW because I liked being able to increase columns / rows on the homescreen. At 8x8 you can fit a lot of shortcuts and widgets on a single page. Looking forward to rooting the device and custom roms... But we'll have to see if those appear. A CM build would be awesome.
Go back and try again... It is a nice device with the pen integration. I don't think I could ever recreate the pen experience with a capacitive stylus on the my iPad...
Try it after a fresh reboot.
I have minimal to no lag switching panels, and all are full with Sense widgets or app shortcuts.
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It just seems hard to spend $580+tax for a 7" tablet, when you can get a ipad 2 for $500.
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The prices in Europe are even worse... The 32GB Wi-Fi + 3G is 650 euros (~$900), the 16GB Wi-Fi only is only available for pre-order and it's 500 euro (~$650)
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The prices in Europe are even worse... The 32GB Wi-Fi + 3G is 650 euros (~$900), the 16GB Wi-Fi only is only available for pre-order and it's 500 euro (~$650)
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Interesting. So the folks in the US may be getting the better deal even with the pen sold separately. We can only get the 16 gb wifi version...
I like that the pen is excluded. it gives people the option to spend the money or not.
I would rather have the pen bundled. Otherwise its just another tablet... An overpriced one at that.
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I would rather have the pen bundled. Otherwise its just another tablet... An overpriced one at that.
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How do you figure? What Tablet is less than $499. The Galaxy tab was more expensive, The playbook same price non upgradeable memory, Ipad same not up upgradeable, xoom wifi $99 more expensive and crap, LG slate expensive.
Its made of aluminum, best display, functions with a stylus, etc. If you want a cheap tablet get one this is as high end and functional as it gets.
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How do you figure? What Tablet is less than $499. The Galaxy tab was more expensive, The playbook same price non upgradeable memory, Ipad same not up upgradeable, xoom wifi $99 more expensive and crap, LG slate expensive.
Its made of aluminum, best display, functions with a stylus, etc. If you want a cheap tablet get one this is as high end and functional as it gets.
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There are a lot of options if you just want a Android tablet. The Galaxy Tab, Asus Transformer, Dell Streak and even Huawei Ideos are equal or less than the Flyer without the pen. A lot coming soon also like the Acers.
If I hadn't seen the pen integration accuracy, I would have never considered this device. The tablet in my opinion is perfect tool to go digital in the workplace. Using a stylus with my iPad is inaccurate, clumsy and the keyboard slow. The pen integration takes this device to another level and possibly into the boardroom, which is why I own one today... And love the form-factor, build quality and most of all the pen experience.
The future of this device is yet to be seen. Will other apps support the pen? Or are we dependent upon HTC development? In the next few weeks, I'll be evaluating my satisfaction with the current pen implementation because this may be as good as it gets for this device.
Not hating... Just being realistic.
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There are a lot of options if you just want a Android tablet. The Galaxy Tab, Asus Transformer, Dell Streak and even Huawei Ideos are equal or less than the Flyer without the pen. A lot coming soon also like the Acers.
If I hadn't seen the pen integration accuracy, I would have never considered this device. The tablet in my opinion is perfect tool to go digital in the workplace. Using a stylus with my iPad is inaccurate, clumsy and the keyboard slow. The pen integration takes this device to another level and possibly into the boardroom, which is why I own one today... And love the form-factor, build quality and most of all the pen experience.
The future of this device is yet to be seen. Will other apps support the pen? Or are we dependent upon HTC development? In the next few weeks, I'll be evaluating my satisfaction with the current pen implementation because this may be as good as it gets for this device.
Not hating... Just being realistic.
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I owned a streak 7 and would never put it in the same category. Just because the battery only lasts 3 hours.
stepchild said:
Thanks for the write up. it was very informative.
I'm having the same issue as you did. It just seems hard to spend $580+tax for a 7" tablet, when you can get a ipad 2 for $500.
I do like Android better, but bang for buck...tough choice.
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In Singapore the HTC Flyer price is very reasonable. You can get one for S$ 899 including the pen and a leather case for the 32GB + 3G version. Compare to the same version of Ipad 2 which will cost S$989.
To me the difference is that the flyer is extremely portable, the os is for a phone but then again so is ios. It is stable has a great ui and is worth $499.00
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Okay, I was going to hold off to pick up a Motorola Xoom within a few weeks but on a whim, I saw the Viewsonic G-Tablet for $299.99 at the local Office Depot. Okay I thought then I could live with its "defective" display and unwieldy weight/shape. For me, it actually resembled the Xoom! At least a less expensive version of it.
Indeed, for me the XDA support for ROM (and hopefully Honeycomb 3.0 port) as well as its Tegra chip were the deciding factors to pick up the GTab this morning.
I will be charging it up later after dinner with my stepdad and then installing Clockwork Mod then a ROM of my choice. I also will be relating my adventures here a poor man's (hacker's) Xoom. And I post that I can regret not getting a Sprint Galaxy Tab. So convince me
More adventures to come... any advice here now?
Yes.
Don't hold your breathe on HoneyComb. And don't post asking where it is
No Honeycreams until full AOSP released from google. 'Nuff said.
I just picked up the G-Tab at lunch today and I have Vegan running now. My first impressions of it are good. It is a little heavier than I thought it would be but I didn't buy it for the weight as much as I did to not have to burn my legs with my old Acer laptop. I see the problems with the screens that everyone complains about but I am finding that if you 1. have it laying flat it is worse and 2. have a black background it looks bad. I plan on using this at an angle and I am glad to be able to use more colors than my Vibrant (black on the phone for battery savings purposes). It is snappy and the wifi antenna is pretty strong. I was able to play my movies that I ripped for the Vibrant and they look great on the screen. I ripped them down at a high level and large screen aspect.
I was like you and debating between the different tablets out there but I think I am going to be happy with this device. The more I read the more I kept coming back to it thinking it was a better device except for the stock software which was easy to replace. I wanted the Samsung 7" tablet when they came out but after seeing this next to it there wasn't any hesitation for me. And for me personally Honeycomb isn't a big selling point. I have been running HC on an SDK emulator and I am not impressed with it enough to spend an extra $200-300.
I hope you like yours, I am happy so far.
I still don't understand this complaint about the weight that I've been seeing all over the internets. It is .22 lb more than the ipad. The ipad weighs 1.33 lb and the gtab weighs 1.55 lb.
If 1.55 lb is too heavy, return it and buy yourself an ipad. Enough said.
As for the galaxy tab it is nice and I prefer the 7" form factor but you have to buy into a contract-no thanks and the galaxy has a single core chip. It costs about $50-85 or in my case $100 more if you are paying Ca tax. The gtab has better specs and better battery life.
The Xoom is over $300 more and as much as I would like to have 3.0 I am not sure it does anything our tabs can't already do. Lets face it we all want hc and in time it will makes its way to this device. Prices are dipping down because a slew of new tabs will be coming out around June or so and I don't think any of them will cost $300!
The screen is pretty nice coming from an elocity a7, now ipad, galaxy have nicer screens and so does the xoom but I really do not see a big problem with this one. I think it looks great. Weight is not a big issue either. It is a poind and a half, we arr not talling heavy. I just wish it was easier to type with my thumbs like my elocity. The devs here have createdvseveral awesome roms that make this device fly. Other than limits of froyo being a phone os this is a great tab. I think I see why apple is so succesful because they only support two devices which means a lot more continuity in the user experience. However, I value freedom and choice so the price you pay is some apps not working. In a year or so when hc has been out and second and third gen hc devices are out the user experience will be very different than now. Thay said the gtab is pretty sweet.
Going to make this review rather short. Just got this tablet this morning at a sweet song price. I went to XDA Developers and followed the directions to get rid of the Tap N Tap interface here at: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=865245 and added Clockwork Mod to allow for custom ROM's on this device. After a tad bit of work eliminating the default interface, then I proceeded to install the Notion Ink Adam ROM found here at: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=928152 which allows for the Eden interface that runs very smoothly for the most part.
Everything is much better now. The device is a tad bit heavier but it's basically so similar to the Wi-Fi version of the Xoom that in many ways this is a developer's device.
I must recommend this device and I think that I may consider getting a second one because there is no locked bootloader to prevent us from making more ROM. Now it's a matter of waiting for Honeycomb to arrive or maybe even a Xoom port someday!
Mine arrived last Thursday but I was in Vegas for the extended weekend. Ordered it from TigerDirect for $307 shipped. Came home Monday night, kissed the wife and grabbed the gTab and started playing around with it (truth be told she opened it while I was gone and was teasing me about the fact that she was messing with it before I did).
Anyway, I really liked the stock home screen with the icons across the bottom and the weather display, etc. I have an automated home with touch screens around the house, so I was immediately thinking about how I could incorporate several of these around the house for lighting, etc... However, as much as I liked the screen, I found the performance to be not-so-hot.
I followed the instructions for CWM and TnT on Wednesday night and the gTab went from a purchase that I was moderately pleased with to contemplating how long it will be until I purchase a second one . For me, there was a noticeable change in speed.
I have a HTC Evo and was a bit nervous about rooting the phone, but I think I will need to now in order to take advantage of the mobile hotspot.
I think the battery life it ok. I'm currently playing a video on it to see how it eats the battery. I want to be able to use the tablet on flights, and need to know how many movies I can play on it on a single charge. Once I beat it up a little more I will have a better understanding of how much time I will get out of a charge.
I don't own an iPad (I'm just not into the whole Apple thing), but I have to say that I would have no problem showing this off to any of my friends that have iPads. For me, not having to spend $600 plus a data plan was a plus for me. The unit will primarily be used in my house, and when I am out I will be tethering it to my phone so I don't see the need for a unit with a data plan.
I was looking at the Samsung Galaxy, but I felt that the 7" screen was just not enough real estate for me.
Now I need to buy a case and a screen protector for this think before it gets scratched up.
In the end, I am very pleased with my purchase.
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Wow, tonight was an experience as I was hanging around the Apple Store (Gateway) and found out that people thought that I was dragging around the Motorola Xoom. That must be a really good mix up. The confusion suggests that people do confuse the Xoom with the GTab.
I will have some comparison pictures later on in this thread.
My G Tablet Experience
I'm new to the tablet thing. I don't own a smartphone so this is the first time I bought a non Windows PC device. $280 on woot seemed a lot better than dropping $600+ bucks on an iPad to see if a tablet would work out well for me.
The first thing that immediately struck me was fingerprints. I know it was going to be inevitable, but I just can't believe how dirty the screen gets after a normal browsing section. Because it's new, I'm always wiping the screen with a microfiber towel to keep it looking clean. I know that there's that Rain-X solution but I'm ordering a screen protector to reduce smudges.
The other thing I found is how awkward it is to hold. Because of the decreased view angles I need to hold it up at a very precise angle. It's too large to hold in one hand and my one hand starts to cramp after a while from holding it up. Using it in portrait mode is a little better since I can grasp it with two hands and just use my thumbs to scroll and navigate. But there are some things I just can't do very well in portrait mode. I just ordered a new case with the integrated kick stand and keyboard which should help propping it up. I'm looking forward to using it as a very capable little netbook.
Other than that, this is a cool little device. I installed Vegan and it seems to do everything I want. I'm still trying to figure out how to get a normal mpg movie to play on it. I must not be using the correct encoding since I select the file in the explorer and the screen just goes black. I do not see any errors, just a black screen. So I need to play around with it some more because I really would like to watch movies on my commute.
This thing definitely holds its own against other tablets twice the price. I'm glad I took the gamble to try it out.
I have a very similar experience.
I am able to play movies encoded in mp4 format. I believe the video comes with the tablet is in mp4 as well.
Tried a couple of avi file that had sound comes through but has gobbled video.
Have not try any quick time mov files yet.
I think fingerprint is unavoidable with touch tablets. My impression of Ipad is the same, gets smodged quick and the screen is also too reflective. Probably just to a lesser degree than the GTablet. Please post back on your screen protector experience.
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I'm still trying to figure out how to get a normal mpg movie to play on it. I must not be using the correct encoding since I select the file in the explorer and the screen just goes black. I do not see any errors, just a black screen. So I need to play around with it some more because I really would like to watch movies on my commute.
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Bingo. I encoded the movie using the "iPad" setting in Handbrake and that created a playable file. I just opened up the file explorer and played the .m4v file right off the thumb drive. I'm loving this mighty tablet a little more every day.
I just bought a second Viewsonic G-Tablet from Office Depot this morning and I am happy as a clam in fact. I took a photo of mine as compared to the svelte iPad 2 at the Gateway Apple Store for benchmark comparison.
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We have 2 cameras, honeycomb, blinking leds, and more storage. Kindle has better processor, has anyone tried the kindle? I'd like to know is it that much faster than the view? I paid 40$ more for the view because its more feature packed than the kindle.
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We have 2 cameras, honeycomb, blinking leds, and more storage. Kindle has better processor, has anyone tried the kindle? I'd like to know is it that much faster than the view? I paid 40$ more for the view because its more feature packed than the kindle.
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I am betting the view is snappier. I am running CM7 on the Kindle it is seems laggy, especially next to my Epic 4G Touch.
I am just waiting to find a good price on the View and I will probably return the Kindle. Haven't seen any deals as of late though...
Everything is laggy compared to the E4GT. I have my E4GT running Cauklin's rom and its underclocked to 800Mhz and undervolted and the thing is still faster then any other phone I have tried.
I find the the View on GB a little slow with Sense running, even clocked to 1800mhz it seems a little slow. HC with sense seems a little less slow, I'm waiting for an overclock kernel. Maybe I'm spoiled by the dual core E4GT. If the View pops again in the $230 range or less, it is well worth buying just for the built in GPS.
I would love to see a 3G/4G Fire hit the streets. I guess there won't be very many phone companies standing in line for that unless they can charge for data overages.
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Haven't done a side-by-side between the Flyer/View and Kindle Fire. But others on here have commented that the 1.5 GHz single core CPU on the Flyer is snappier on most tasks than lower clocked dual core CPUs. Dual core is only useful for multi-tasking, switching between apps, and apps that are optimized for dual core (few, if any are).
Also, the Fire has no Bluetooth, GPS, Micro-SD card slot, or pen support; and the build quality (sturdy and sleek looking aluminum body) of the Flyer simply can't be beat by any other tablets. The View/Flyer is a $500 tablet being sold at bargain prices. The Kindle is a $200 tablet being sold for $200.
Only advantage of the Fire is the Amazon-centric features (especially if you are a Prime member), and its being widely purchased. So good support by software developers and accessory makers is pretty much sure to follow.
I had a chance at a Kindle Fire yesterday for £125
I then researched it
my conclusion is its gingerbread with half its guts ripped out
I decided no.
It's a great colour eReader if you already have a full power tablet, it is not a proper tablet.
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Haven't done a side-by-side between the Flyer/View and Kindle Fire. But others on here have commented that the 1.5 GHz single core CPU on the Flyer is snappier on most tasks than lower clocked dual core CPUs. Dual core is only useful for multi-tasking, switching between apps, and apps that are optimized for dual core (few, if any are).
Also, the Fire has no Bluetooth, GPS, Micro-SD card slot, or pen support; and the build quality (sturdy and sleek looking aluminum body) of the Flyer simply can't be beat by any other tablets. The View/Flyer is a $500 tablet being sold at bargain prices. The Kindle is a $200 tablet being sold for $200.
Only advantage of the Fire is the Amazon-centric features (especially if you are a Prime member), and its being widely purchased. So good support by software developers and accessory makers is pretty much sure to follow.
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I agree the build quality on the flyer/view is amazing.
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I have a Flyer on GB, View on HC and a Fire. All are stock. The flyer and view win handsdown with the exception of two things:
The Amazon Instant Video app is wonderful on the Fire. I can play the videos in a browser on the HTC tablets, but sometimes they are choppy.
The Kindle reader on the Fire has more customization options than the Kindle app for Honeycomb. However, I mainly use Moon Reader Pro now after converting my books, so it isn't that big of a deal.
I read some rumors that Amazon is going to release a better (maybe larger) Kindle tablet first part of this year. The Fire was just a rush job, to get one on the market for the holiday season.
I'd say if someone was interested in a Kindle tablet for the Amazon specific features, to wait a bit and see if the new tablet (if it indeed exists) is any good.
Pretty sure in a head battle, the 1.5 single core Snapdragon will beat the dual core 1.0 Kindle any day. There are no known daily use that are going to put the kindle in the lead, the single core snapdragon will put it to shame, hands down. I don't think I'm aware of any games/apps out there that utilize the multiple cores yet. First you have to understand how dual/quad cores work:
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If we are talking benching hardware acceleration:
Adreno 205 - HTC Flyer/View, HTC G2/Vision, HTC Desire HD/Inspire 4G, HTC Incredible 2/S, HTC myTouch 4G, etc.
PowerVR SGX540 - Kindle Fire, Samsung Galaxy S, Samsung Epic 4G, Apple iPhone 4/iPod Touch 4, Samsung Galaxy Tab, Samsung Nexus S, etc.
Source is here for the rest of the charts:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4079/basemark-gui-from-rightware-launches-socs-benchmarked/2
I have the Fire, Flyer, Tab 10.1, and both iPads (I review hardware).
The Flyer is a snappy 7" device, but I use the Kindle Fire more often, at least recently, for reading. My iPad for music creation and large format reading, and the Flyer for times when I need 3g service in a small form factor. But even then, I can easily tether the Kindle to my Epic Touch.
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I was closer to buying a Nook Color Tablet than a Kindle Fire. The Nook had more storage (sort of), a microphone, and physical volume buttons. The Fire had none of those. But the Flyer/View is a big leap over the Nook tablet. More storage, 2 cameras, Bluetooth, GPS, microSD slot, full Android, the list goes on.
Fire is very limited and not a true tablet. For its core purposes using amazon apps it is better performance wise. If you use your tablet for other things than books and amazon videos there is a good reason it is so cheap
Physically, the Fire is actually much nicer. The design is clean and simple, and the rubberized back makes it comfortable and easy to hold in one hand. The View, OTOH, is both noticeably wider and super-slippery, which makes it basically a two-hand or rest-in-lap gadget. Additionally, the Gorilla Glass on the Fire is much, much nicer than whatever's on the View. The View's screen picks up more fingerprints, and faster, than any other touchscreen I've used, and the oil seriously clings to the screen. My microfiber screen-cleaning cloth just kind of pushes the oil around; I have to use a rougher cotton cloth to actually polish the glass clean. The Fire's screen, on the other hand, picks up about a third the fingerprints from a similar amount of use, and the oil barely sticks at all; that same microfiber cloth easily wipes it clean in just a few passes.
Also, after only two weeks of use, one of the two plastic panels on the back of the View (the lower, non-removable one) has already come just slightly loose enough that it clicks audibly every time I grab the lower end of the tablet, an annoying bit of shoddiness on an otherwise seemingly very well-made gadget. Whatever the Fire's actual build quality, its simple, one-piece back design avoids that kind of appearance of cheapness.
True but with a screen protector and case (which most people get anyway) those things aren't a problem. I didn't really notice it was hard to hold without a case, I was more worried about sitting it down. And with a case that holds the tablet upright its easy to type while sitting or in bed.
Engadget overview of Nexus 10 Hands on!
http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/29/nexus-10-hands-on-video/
One sad part of this is that the N10 still charges through the micro-USB port, as there were no dedicated charging port evident (the pogo-pin is for an optional dock, which will probably be as vaporware as the N7 dock).
Aside from that USB charging is slow, as it's limited by 5V, when you're charging you can't use the USB port for anything else. You'd have to use a modded kernel along with a Y-adapter cable to do charging+USB, and resistance in the Y cable will make charging even slower.
BTW, [email protected] = 33.3Whr, roughly equal to Surface RT's 31.5Whr, and less than iPad 3's 42.5Whr. So, the combo of Exynos 5 + super-hi-res LCD doesn't look to suck up that much power. But it is double N7's 16Whr batt.
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Engadget overview of Nexus 10 Hands on!
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thats really a no brainer if you are having to choose between ipad 3 and nexus 10.
>thats really a no brainer if you are having to choose between ipad 3 and nexus 10.
N10 has better specs, but as another said, it looks like it was made for Chinese kids (or Korean kids, since it's Samsung heh). Looks count for a lot for regular peeps who don't follow the geeky specs talk.
That, plus lack of tab apps, and most importantly, user familiarity with iProducts. Buying an iPad nowaday is the safe choice, just like buying a Windows PC a few years before, and an IBM PC a few years before that.
In the Google graph below you can roughly gauge how well Nexus 7 is doing by tracking 4.1 adoption rate relative to the rest of the Android eco. In the 3.5 months of N7, adoption rate is around 5%. You can also see how well the 2011 Android tabs (HC) did, again around 5%.
So yes, the N10 has great specs, but don't count on it changing the world any time soon.
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So what is the downside of charging via a micro USB port (seriously, not being a dummy here)? I love that I don't have to buy a new charger just for one new device. Plus, for my ASUS Transformer XXXs, the charger is proprietary and costs about 25 to 40 bucks if you can find it.
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One sad part of this is that the N10 still charges through the micro-USB port, as there were no dedicated charging port evident (the pogo-pin is for an optional dock, which will probably be as vaporware as the N7 dock).
Aside from that USB charging is slow, as it's limited by 5V, when you're charging you can't use the USB port for anything else. You'd have to use a modded kernel along with a Y-adapter cable to do charging+USB, and resistance in the Y cable will make charging even slower.
BTW, [email protected] = 33.3Whr, roughly equal to Surface RT's 31.5Whr, and less than iPad 3's 42.5Whr. So, the combo of Exynos 5 + super-hi-res LCD doesn't look to suck up that much power. But it is double N7's 16Whr batt.
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>So what is the downside of charging via a micro USB port
Second quoted paragraph.
>Plus, for my ASUS Transformer XXXs, the charger is proprietary and costs about 25 to 40 bucks if you can find it.
Asus got greedy and used a proprietary connector. Dedicated charger doesn't mean proprietary; it can use a regular barrel connector, and 12V wall warts are a dime a dozen.
I don't think you realize, but on Google's site, it states that bottom connector, is a magnetic Pogo pin CHARGER. So the device has two ways to charge. :victory:
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>thats really a no brainer if you are having to choose between ipad 3 and nexus 10.
N10 has better specs, but as another said, it looks like it was made for Chinese kids (or Korean kids, since it's Samsung heh). Looks count for a lot for regular peeps who don't follow the geeky specs talk.
That, plus lack of tab apps, and most importantly, user familiarity with iProducts. Buying an iPad nowaday is the safe choice, just like buying a Windows PC a few years before, and an IBM PC a few years before that.
In the Google graph below you can roughly gauge how well Nexus 7 is doing by tracking 4.1 adoption rate relative to the rest of the Android eco. In the 3.5 months of N7, adoption rate is around 5%. You can also see how well the 2011 Android tabs (HC) did, again around 5%.
So yes, the N10 has great specs, but don't count on it changing the world any time soon.
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if you are gonna resell it later then buy an ipad is a safe choice, yes.
To me opinion, there are 2 kinds of ppl buying the ipad: Apple fanboys and people who don't know anything about tablet.
And unless you can see and feel it by yourself (no, not on youtube), don't say it is made for kids.
Oh and having the micro USB is not a bad thing. THis means it can easily use the USB OTG by rooting, which is more important than slow charging.
If you're ignorant and buy electronics like fashion accessory to look at then get iPad otherwise those who are tech savvy and plan to maximize the usage will get the Nexus 10. I tried using iPad3 but the OS and UI are so dumbed down that it was restrictive and frustrating. (good for children and grandparents though). Wanted to throw it against the wall. I own the Galaxy Note 10.1 but wished it was a Nexus so Nexus 10 is about as close to that but without Wacom pen. Definitely going to buy one when it's released.
Check Romain Guy's N10 shots:
https://plus.google.com/111962077049890418486/posts/8cTHnSTLrqF
Nexus 10 Hands on by The Verge
Since i can't post links i'll just tell you to check out the "The Verge" Channel on Youtube. They've just posted a Hands on Video of the Nexus 10 and also of the Nexus 4.
Are people seriously recommending the iPad over the nexus 10?
Wow.
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One sad part of this is that the N10 still charges through the micro-USB port, as there were no dedicated charging port evident (the pogo-pin is for an optional dock, which will probably be as vaporware as the N7 dock).
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USB charging rhetoric is irrelevant lately, the Note 2 also charges through USB but it does so at 1800mA. The N10 comes with the same 2A charger and the Nexus 10 is set up to charge at that rate. If you plug in a beefy enough charger, it will suck the power needed. The pogo pin charger is also set up to get up to 2A.
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Looks count for a lot for regular peeps who don't follow the geeky specs talk.
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Some people will buy the best looking, others will be more concerned about which is the cheapest!
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Some people will buy the best looking, others will be more concerned about which is the cheapest!
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and some others give priority to the functionality and usability...
From what I have noticed, since most of the people are familiar with iDevices, and since their functionality and UI is exactly the same, the chose and iPad over android tablets. Also the smart marketing by Apple allows them to reach out to people who are not "geeky", which represent most of the population and again account for most of the iPad customers. Apples usage of words like Retina Display, FaceTime, iSight, Lightning connector, AirPlay successfully lures away "general" public. Similarly looks also matter a lot to people who use this device. And not to forget, iPad has the largest selection of apps that are made for a tablet. And finally people ask for a recommendation before buying a tablet and since most of the people chose an iPad, you are smart enough to know what your next tablet would be.
Another reason what I PERSONALLY think that android tablets are still not the personal choice among mainstream public is that the functioning of Android UI is too complex for them. The amount of personalization that an android tablet offers seems to be a big down side too as most of the users want to keep everything simple.
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Another reason what I PERSONALLY think that android tablets are still not the personal choice among mainstream public is that the functioning of Android UI is too complex for them. The amount of personalization that an android tablet offers seems to be a big down side too as most of the users want to keep everything simple.
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I disagree. Android UI starts off plain jane simple. It even walks you through during the Intial setup and once your device is setup it offers tips and guides on your home screen. If you want to start customizing it the tools are there for you to utilize unlike IOS. Some UIs are very vanilla on android.
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As you can see from my signature, buying tablet is almost my hobby now... Though I generally liked transformer Infinity, it still was not quite perfect system for me. After seeing Nexus 10, Windows 8 tablets, I have decided to place myself one more time back into the market. I generally follow these extensively. So for those who are thinking about Nexus 10, I just like to give some information I have found so far about couple potential alternatives (at least I came across).
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Briefly about this. If the specification is as currently listed on the web, I am not so sure about if its worth the wait. Sure I like full HD screen but price will still likely be high. But there are rumors that Microsoft may be holding its release until early next year to secretly incorporate next iteration of Intel chip (Haswell), which will give extended battery life, even better GPU performance than 4000.
Series 7 Slate (2011 model)
So why I included Samsung Slate 7 here rather than Ativ Smart Pro. One major reason is that slate 7 was released almost a year ago, but if you look at its specification aside from not having high resolution screen, and an older generation Intel SandyBridge chip, it is fairly similar to other Windows 8 tablet currently/soon to be released on the market. In fact, despite older i5 I believe it is still faster than the newest Atom processor that most lower end Windows 8 tablet uses. So if you can give up the high resolution, (which is probably hard thing to do) this suddenly becomes attractive option on spec wise.
Then you ask, but the price is 2x that of Nexus 10 32GB. It is correct (sort of) and I don't think its worth that much now; however, since Samsung is releasing newer model of series 7 i.e. Ativ Smart Pro, I am guessing Slate 7 will see a significant drop in price, and perhaps we may see on black Friday sale. In fact, refurbished one already sells at $850 at tigerdirect: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicat...kwCjCV1-CjCE&gclid=COn6mo-Iy7MCFe5FMgodNwEAvQ
The other may ask but its originally came with Windows 7, so does it really work well with Windows 8? The answer is that actually very similar model was used for Windows 8 development i.e. supposedly this was used as Windows 8 build unit. So my guess is it should and several reviews confirmed such. http://www.samsung.com/global/windo...Series_7_Slate_Windows_8_Consumer_Preview.pdf
Now if you can find a deal, I think Slate 7 with Windows 8 installed have several benefits.
1. Wacom Digitizer support - Those coming from Galaxy Note 10.1, we know captive screen with touch mimicking stylus won't just do the job.
2. Windows Legacy application support - No need to wait until office released next summer for Android. You can download preview version of office 2013 for free. And of course more real windows application. Someone even reported it worked with Skyrim, though I wouldn't bet on that.
3. Keyboard Dock - Unfortunately unlike Ativ Smart series, there is no clamshell dock (as in transformer series) but it has docking station, and just as in Nexus 10, there will be bluetooth keyboard support. So you can easily set up home/office desktop setting.
4. MicroSD - Yes
Downside still exists
1. Weight - Relatively heavy.
2. Battery life - Reported max is 7 hours by samsung, which means probably 5-6 hours.
3. Again no high resolution.
Exynos 5 vs. Sandy Bridge
Though Sunspider is by no means standard or great way to assess the actual power, but according to couple sites Nexus 10 has Sunspider score of 900's; whereas, Series 7 Slate had 500's. http://sortable.com/tablets/Samsung-Series-7-11.6-Slate-vs-Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-10.1
*Though Chrome book using the same Exynos chip also had down to 500 or 600's, so may simply be the current implementation of Android OS, or Samsung's optimization.
Now writing all this, I myself is still debating whether to grab Nexus 10. If it had microSD, docking keyboard, and Inductive stylus support would have been golden... but for now particularly lack of expandable memory holds me back (just as many of you are concerned).
So just throwing another potential here for those of you still on the fence as I am sure many of you haven't thought about Slate 7 (an year old system) as potential.
If I had a choice I'd rather leave the Windows bloat and high maintenance behind that's why I bought Note 10.1 and reach for it before my Windows ultraportable laptop desktop. Also, glad to leave the bloated Office and, instead, use Google Docs which is perfectly adequate along with having group collaboration feature. Looking forward to buying the Nexus 10.
Much like OP, I am considering what will be my next tablet.
To start off, no iAnything for me, thank you.
I've used, for years, a Toshiba M200 - mostly Windows Journal and some Note. Simply the best note taking experience, due to the Wacom pen. Bar none. All of the Windows apps - office etc.
On Android front - bought the N1 minutes into the press conference. Loved it. Upgraded to Samsung SII- love this one too. Plenty of phone and media device for me.
Also have TF101s with a dock.
In as much as one'd hope for ultimate tablet to be available in 2012, it simply doesnt exist !
An ideal tablet, IMO, would be something like TF700 - dock, microSD, performance, nice 1080p res, combined with Wacom and x-platform note taking (MS releasing fully functioning Note for Android). We already have decent Office suite for Android.
So in last 2 years: 1 N1, 2 SIIs (me & wifes), 2 TF101 (ditto) + dock. Just under 2K in U$. Countless custom ROMs across.
Here's where stuff falls short, IMO:
- TF700 - horrendous internal flash performance == DOA for me. No Wacom. Asus should fire the sorry @ss responsible for that repeated flash fiasco.
- Surface RT - no apps to speak of, numerous reports of crashing apps. This one, however, holds great promise when Android port becomes available. Months and months away.
- Surface Pro - and/or Slate 500/700: too late to the game. I feel that an Android tablet fits 96% of my needs. No apps I am so used to on Android: Mantano Reader for epub/pdf, gmail, gmaps, Touchdown exchange client, youtube etc etc. Disaster of Windows 8 UI experince
(notification bar, where art thou ?) When I need full power of Windows 7, I have a acres of real estate with 3 monitor setup on 4.8GHz desktop with LGA2011 and 32GB of RAM.
- N10: full of compromises. Commitment unknown. It seems that all N devices are results of google putting a blow torch to a vendor, resulting in said vendor abandoning the said device the day after it launches. No dock, no microSD (Rubin should stop insulting us with his reasoning for why google dislikes the micrSD), no Wacom, botched charging.
Here's a sad part: 99% of the people in the market for a holiday must-have tablet gizmo, dont care about any of this. They will buy Surface Pro and N10 and iPads etc, by millions and live with the shortcomings, most likely never even noticing them. Ignorance is a bliss.
Those of us that are waiting for the tablet-dun-right, the wait goes on
rashid11 said:
Much like OP, I am considering what will be my next tablet.
To start off, no iAnything for me, thank you.
I've used, for years, a Toshiba M200 - mostly Windows Journal and some Note. Simply the best note taking experience, due to the Wacom pen. Bar none. All of the Windows apps - office etc.
- TF700 - horrendous internal flash performance == DOA for me. No Wacom. Asus should fire the sorry @ss responsible for that repeated flash fiasco.
- Surface RT - no apps to speak of, numerous reports of crashing apps. This one, however, holds great promise when Android port becomes available. Months and months away.
- Surface Pro - and/or Slate 500/700: too late to the game. I feel that an Android tablet fits 96% of my needs. No apps I am so used to on Android: Mantano Reader for epub/pdf, gmail, gmaps, Touchdown exchange client, youtube etc etc. Disaster of Windows 8 UI experince
(notification bar, where art thou ?) When I need full power of Windows 7, I have a acres of real estate with 3 monitor setup on 4.8GHz desktop with LGA2011 and 32GB of RAM.
- N10: full of compromises. Commitment unknown. It seems that all N devices are results of google putting a blow torch to a vendor, resulting in said vendor abandoning the said device the day after it launches. No dock, no microSD (Rubin should stop insulting us with his reasoning for why google dislikes the micrSD), no Wacom, botched charging.
Here's a sad part: 99% of the people in the market for a holiday must-have tablet gizmo, dont care about any of this. They will buy Surface Pro and N10 and iPads etc, by millions and live with the shortcomings, most likely never even noticing them. Ignorance is a bliss.
Those of us that are waiting for the tablet-dun-right, the wait goes on
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Interesting. We seem to agree what our ideal tablet is but conclusion/hope are different. By the way I though hard when I got my HP tablet, which was around the time when Toshiba had just released the M200. Here are my hopes.
Surface Pro, Ativ Smart Pro - Have Wacom, full HD screen, speed, expandable memory, and keyboard dock. Lacking feature here is battery life, and weight and expansive.
Nexus 10 - Has stunning display, speed, good battery life, and weight. Lacking feature are Wacom, expandable memory, and keyboard dock.
Transformer Infinity - Has full HD screen, expandable memory, keyboard dock, good battery life and weight. Lacking feature were speed (was very fast, but can be faster).
Personally Surface RT is no go. Because it is just too restrictive but if RT market explode and matches that of Android maybe. Believe or not, somewhere I remember reading WIndows store has dedicated tablet app of 5000 or so whereas, Android market may not even have that number.. Who knows if its true or not.
I currently have an iPad 4 and a Nexus 7. Both of which perform very well and I'm very happy with.
I am looking at this tablet for one reason - Waterproof. I bought a Lifeproof case for my iPad and it turned it into a bulky monster that sucks to use. Mostly because I have a hot tub and like to listen to music and browse the web while in the tub.
I understand that battery life isn't that great, it's not the fastest or best processor, doesn't run the latest Android version and doesn't have the sharpest screen - does this at all become an issue in day to day use?
So, have there been any issues with the waterproofing of this device?
I've done some searching and it's hit and miss on what people think. I find it's a pricey tablet compared to the specs, but like I said, waterproofing is the feature I really life.
Thanks all.
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I currently have an iPad 4 and a Nexus 7. Both of which perform very well and I'm very happy with.
I am looking at this tablet for one reason - Waterproof. I bought a Lifeproof case for my iPad and it turned it into a bulky monster that sucks to use. Mostly because I have a hot tub and like to listen to music and browse the web while in the tub.
I understand that battery life isn't that great, it's not the fastest or best processor, doesn't run the latest Android version and doesn't have the sharpest screen - does this at all become an issue in day to day use?
So, have there been any issues with the waterproofing of this device?
I've done some searching and it's hit and miss on what people think. I find it's a pricey tablet compared to the specs, but like I said, waterproofing is the feature I really life.
Thanks all.
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I think you should not buy it, unless you have lots of money for no good use. The Xperia Tablet Z is a great device. The battery is great. It lasts a whole day for me, including heavy WiFi usages and reading many pdfs. The processor indeed isn't the best, but I rarely have any slowdowns.
The latest Android version isn't much needed on it, and it behaves without a single bug whatsoever. It is coming soon, though... The screen doesn't have the biggest resolution and thus the biggest PPI, but it is really sharp and great. I don't have any problems with it, and the viewing angles are great... It is just a bit too reflexive under direct sunlight, but I use it a lot on low brightness, so that's the reason.
The waterproof is a great feature, and works perfectly, but because of the touchscreen technology (capacitative), it goes crazy with water on it. Dropping water on it makes it think you are touching the screen, and submerging it makes it crazy, as pressure is being applied all the screen.
The speakers are muffy when they have water on it, so unless you hold the device the other way around and does not submerge the other half, you're good. If you are going to use headphones, get some waterproof ones and connect them via Bluetooth, because you can risk both the tablet and the headphones by putting the cables underwater as when the covers are opened they aren't waterproof.
Thanks for the info. it wouldn't be submerged for use, just in my hands in the tub (and it's lighter than an iPad, so that's a bonus). I use my iPad with the case and I know what you mean about going crazy when wet. Every now and then, I just dip it to get some of the puddles off it and that seems to help.
I'd also likely sell the iPad to recover some cost (and the lifeproof case was $130 - ouch).
I've read a ton of reviews and they tend to mirror the issues I mentioned. Did the 4.2 update improve things like wifi reception or any other improvements?
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Thanks for the info. it wouldn't be submerged for use, just in my hands in the tub (and it's lighter than an iPad, so that's a bonus). I use my iPad with the case and I know what you mean about going crazy when wet. Every now and then, I just dip it to get some of the puddles off it and that seems to help.
I'd also likely sell the iPad to recover some cost (and the lifeproof case was $130 - ouch).
I've read a ton of reviews and they tend to mirror the issues I mentioned. Did the 4.2 update improve things like wifi reception or any other improvements?
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I can't say much about 4.1.2 and any of their issues because I bought the device and it shipped with 4.1.2, but I was in NY for a few days and the hotel's WiFi wasn't good, so couldn't test it. First thing I did when I got home was updating it. But i have no signal problems whatsoever. Mine is a SGP311, if that makes any difference...
I'll just chime in here with the same info that's already been provided by others; battery life in use is decent. I use mine only periodically, but when I use it I rarely pay the battery any attention, and never have had any trouble with WiFi reception. I don't have the biggest house, but I have used it all over the house without any problems. I've also used it outside without any trouble where my mobile phone will not pick up any WiFi signal.
My main gripe with the tablet is that it seems to use quite a bit of battery when I'm not using it. But that is probably caused by something I have installed. Haven't really bothered investigating.
-KJ
I have the same thing on my mind with cwepruk. I'm planning to buy this tab also and have a lot of research with the pros and cons. In fact I have a lot of vids downloaded from youtube about comparisons and reviews. But because of the six months period since its release, I have second thoughts of buying and afraid that maybe in few days/weeks, better tablet is coming. (Sigh) i just don't know....
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I'll just chime in here with the same info that's already been provided by others; battery life in use is decent. I use mine only periodically, but when I use it I rarely pay the battery any attention, and never have had any trouble with WiFi reception. I don't have the biggest house, but I have used it all over the house without any problems. I've also used it outside without any trouble where my mobile phone will not pick up any WiFi signal.
My main gripe with the tablet is that it seems to use quite a bit of battery when I'm not using it. But that is probably caused by something I have installed. Haven't really bothered investigating.
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I'm in the same spot as you, new note seems a great deal though just a bit expensive considering I want to buy a new phone in Q1, what about Kindle hdx 8.9?
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I'm in the same spot as you, new note seems a great deal though just a bit expensive considering I want to buy a new phone in Q1, what about Kindle hdx 8.9?
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I purchased the kindle fire hdx a couple days ago. It has great hardware, feels a bit flimsy, but overall a nice build. The blinding problem is the software. I didnt realize how much I missed not having the Google play store. Sideloading apps works, but its a pain considering how much easier the Google play store is.
Even after I rooted the kindle, it still was not a lot of fun to use.
Anyways, I returned the Kindle and got the Sony Z instead. I'm very happy with the choice. The Sony has a nicer feel and build, the screen is comparable, and the software is superb.
The Kindle is grest if you use Amazons services, otherwise I would go with the Sony.
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tel033 said:
I'm in the same spot as you, new note seems a great deal though just a bit expensive considering I want to buy a new phone in Q1, what about Kindle hdx 8.9?
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Yes I read about that, without prime it's just not a very good choice, and I think amazon prime is 80 dollars a year right?
My problem with z is that it is already a bit old, and do you feel a difference between s80p and s4 pro?
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Yes I read about that, without prime it's just not a very good choice, and I think amazon prime is 80 dollars a year right?
My problem with z is that it is already a bit old, and do you feel a difference between s80p and s4 pro?
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nope.no difference between s800 and s4 pro.every game plays without lag and there is no noticeable difference.if you can notice 1 millisecond difference on app opening then congrats for your eyes
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nope.no difference between s800 and s4 pro.every game plays without lag and there is no noticeable difference.if you can notice 1 millisecond difference on app opening then congrats for your eyes
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The difference between both is bigger than that, but the S4 Pro works like a champ. Didn't had any problems with it. Putting my XTZ next to my Xperia S with a S3, the difference is huge...
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So I went ahead and bought it. Like I said, the main reason was because it's waterproof and I can use it in the hot tub (browsing, music, etc.).
It was on sale, so $400 instead of the usual $500. IMO, it's about a $350 tablet hardware wise, but it's the only one that is waterproof. The new Android tablets do have better screens and faster processors and some of them are running 4.3. I'm not a big gamer, so I don't really get into pushing the limits on graphics.
That said - after one day of use, I'm pretty happy. Initial thoughts:
Pros -
- Even though it's not the best screen, it's quite good and better then I expected after most reviews.
- Light and thin
- While not the most current hardware, it's definitely respectable. It doesn't feel super fast, but it also never felt slow. It's comparable with my iPad 4.
- Decent battery life. Heavy use this weekend yesterday including streaming audio, browsing, setting everything up, it lasted from Sat night until this (Mon) morning with about 7 hours of on screen time.
Cons
- It's flimsy. I took the first one back because it creaked and the screen would distort and have phantom touches. The replacement was a bit better, but will still have phantom touches if you hold it by the corner.
- Too many notifications from the tablet itself. I don't want to use stamina mode, stop reminding me.
- For all the hype about the camera, it's pretty mediocre - not a big deal for a tablet though.
- No Wireless charging. Would be great and eliminate the need to use that flap over the micro-usb
I've tried other Android tablets, the first Galaxy Tab and the Asus Transformer Infinity and I didn't like either and both had some bugs, so far, not the case with the Sony.
cwepruk said:
So I went ahead and bought it. Like I said, the main reason was because it's waterproof and I can use it in the hot tub (browsing, music, etc.).
It was on sale, so $400 instead of the usual $500. IMO, it's about a $350 tablet hardware wise, but it's the only one that is waterproof. The new Android tablets do have better screens and faster processors and some of them are running 4.3. I'm not a big gamer, so I don't really get into pushing the limits on graphics.
That said - after one day of use, I'm pretty happy. Initial thoughts:
Pros -
- Even though it's not the best screen, it's quite good and better then I expected after most reviews.
- Light and thin
- While not the most current hardware, it's definitely respectable. It doesn't feel super fast, but it also never felt slow. It's comparable with my iPad 4.
- Decent battery life. Heavy use this weekend yesterday including streaming audio, browsing, setting everything up, it lasted from Sat night until this (Mon) morning with about 7 hours of on screen time.
Cons
- It's flimsy. I took the first one back because it creaked and the screen would distort and have phantom touches. The replacement was a bit better, but will still have phantom touches if you hold it by the corner.
- Too many notifications from the tablet itself. I don't want to use stamina mode, stop reminding me.
- For all the hype about the camera, it's pretty mediocre - not a big deal for a tablet though.
- No Wireless charging. Would be great and eliminate the need to use that flap over the micro-usb
I've tried other Android tablets, the first Galaxy Tab and the Asus Transformer Infinity and I didn't like either and both had some bugs, so far, not the case with the Sony.
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The filmsy touch is a software related issue. I've solved mine after a software update in a mn after I bought it.
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I'm on the latest software and it still does it.
how about the front cam? I want to ask because I use skype a lot. What can you say?
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how about the front cam? I want to ask because I use skype a lot. What can you say?
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