As you can see from my signature, buying tablet is almost my hobby now... Though I generally liked transformer Infinity, it still was not quite perfect system for me. After seeing Nexus 10, Windows 8 tablets, I have decided to place myself one more time back into the market. I generally follow these extensively. So for those who are thinking about Nexus 10, I just like to give some information I have found so far about couple potential alternatives (at least I came across).
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Windows Surface Pro
Briefly about this. If the specification is as currently listed on the web, I am not so sure about if its worth the wait. Sure I like full HD screen but price will still likely be high. But there are rumors that Microsoft may be holding its release until early next year to secretly incorporate next iteration of Intel chip (Haswell), which will give extended battery life, even better GPU performance than 4000.
Series 7 Slate (2011 model)
So why I included Samsung Slate 7 here rather than Ativ Smart Pro. One major reason is that slate 7 was released almost a year ago, but if you look at its specification aside from not having high resolution screen, and an older generation Intel SandyBridge chip, it is fairly similar to other Windows 8 tablet currently/soon to be released on the market. In fact, despite older i5 I believe it is still faster than the newest Atom processor that most lower end Windows 8 tablet uses. So if you can give up the high resolution, (which is probably hard thing to do) this suddenly becomes attractive option on spec wise.
Then you ask, but the price is 2x that of Nexus 10 32GB. It is correct (sort of) and I don't think its worth that much now; however, since Samsung is releasing newer model of series 7 i.e. Ativ Smart Pro, I am guessing Slate 7 will see a significant drop in price, and perhaps we may see on black Friday sale. In fact, refurbished one already sells at $850 at tigerdirect: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicat...kwCjCV1-CjCE&gclid=COn6mo-Iy7MCFe5FMgodNwEAvQ
The other may ask but its originally came with Windows 7, so does it really work well with Windows 8? The answer is that actually very similar model was used for Windows 8 development i.e. supposedly this was used as Windows 8 build unit. So my guess is it should and several reviews confirmed such. http://www.samsung.com/global/windo...Series_7_Slate_Windows_8_Consumer_Preview.pdf
Now if you can find a deal, I think Slate 7 with Windows 8 installed have several benefits.
1. Wacom Digitizer support - Those coming from Galaxy Note 10.1, we know captive screen with touch mimicking stylus won't just do the job.
2. Windows Legacy application support - No need to wait until office released next summer for Android. You can download preview version of office 2013 for free. And of course more real windows application. Someone even reported it worked with Skyrim, though I wouldn't bet on that.
3. Keyboard Dock - Unfortunately unlike Ativ Smart series, there is no clamshell dock (as in transformer series) but it has docking station, and just as in Nexus 10, there will be bluetooth keyboard support. So you can easily set up home/office desktop setting.
4. MicroSD - Yes
Downside still exists
1. Weight - Relatively heavy.
2. Battery life - Reported max is 7 hours by samsung, which means probably 5-6 hours.
3. Again no high resolution.
Exynos 5 vs. Sandy Bridge
Though Sunspider is by no means standard or great way to assess the actual power, but according to couple sites Nexus 10 has Sunspider score of 900's; whereas, Series 7 Slate had 500's. http://sortable.com/tablets/Samsung-Series-7-11.6-Slate-vs-Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-10.1
*Though Chrome book using the same Exynos chip also had down to 500 or 600's, so may simply be the current implementation of Android OS, or Samsung's optimization.
Now writing all this, I myself is still debating whether to grab Nexus 10. If it had microSD, docking keyboard, and Inductive stylus support would have been golden... but for now particularly lack of expandable memory holds me back (just as many of you are concerned).
So just throwing another potential here for those of you still on the fence as I am sure many of you haven't thought about Slate 7 (an year old system) as potential.
If I had a choice I'd rather leave the Windows bloat and high maintenance behind that's why I bought Note 10.1 and reach for it before my Windows ultraportable laptop desktop. Also, glad to leave the bloated Office and, instead, use Google Docs which is perfectly adequate along with having group collaboration feature. Looking forward to buying the Nexus 10.
Much like OP, I am considering what will be my next tablet.
To start off, no iAnything for me, thank you.
I've used, for years, a Toshiba M200 - mostly Windows Journal and some Note. Simply the best note taking experience, due to the Wacom pen. Bar none. All of the Windows apps - office etc.
On Android front - bought the N1 minutes into the press conference. Loved it. Upgraded to Samsung SII- love this one too. Plenty of phone and media device for me.
Also have TF101s with a dock.
In as much as one'd hope for ultimate tablet to be available in 2012, it simply doesnt exist !
An ideal tablet, IMO, would be something like TF700 - dock, microSD, performance, nice 1080p res, combined with Wacom and x-platform note taking (MS releasing fully functioning Note for Android). We already have decent Office suite for Android.
So in last 2 years: 1 N1, 2 SIIs (me & wifes), 2 TF101 (ditto) + dock. Just under 2K in U$. Countless custom ROMs across.
Here's where stuff falls short, IMO:
- TF700 - horrendous internal flash performance == DOA for me. No Wacom. Asus should fire the sorry @ss responsible for that repeated flash fiasco.
- Surface RT - no apps to speak of, numerous reports of crashing apps. This one, however, holds great promise when Android port becomes available. Months and months away.
- Surface Pro - and/or Slate 500/700: too late to the game. I feel that an Android tablet fits 96% of my needs. No apps I am so used to on Android: Mantano Reader for epub/pdf, gmail, gmaps, Touchdown exchange client, youtube etc etc. Disaster of Windows 8 UI experince
(notification bar, where art thou ?) When I need full power of Windows 7, I have a acres of real estate with 3 monitor setup on 4.8GHz desktop with LGA2011 and 32GB of RAM.
- N10: full of compromises. Commitment unknown. It seems that all N devices are results of google putting a blow torch to a vendor, resulting in said vendor abandoning the said device the day after it launches. No dock, no microSD (Rubin should stop insulting us with his reasoning for why google dislikes the micrSD), no Wacom, botched charging.
Here's a sad part: 99% of the people in the market for a holiday must-have tablet gizmo, dont care about any of this. They will buy Surface Pro and N10 and iPads etc, by millions and live with the shortcomings, most likely never even noticing them. Ignorance is a bliss.
Those of us that are waiting for the tablet-dun-right, the wait goes on
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Much like OP, I am considering what will be my next tablet.
To start off, no iAnything for me, thank you.
I've used, for years, a Toshiba M200 - mostly Windows Journal and some Note. Simply the best note taking experience, due to the Wacom pen. Bar none. All of the Windows apps - office etc.
- TF700 - horrendous internal flash performance == DOA for me. No Wacom. Asus should fire the sorry @ss responsible for that repeated flash fiasco.
- Surface RT - no apps to speak of, numerous reports of crashing apps. This one, however, holds great promise when Android port becomes available. Months and months away.
- Surface Pro - and/or Slate 500/700: too late to the game. I feel that an Android tablet fits 96% of my needs. No apps I am so used to on Android: Mantano Reader for epub/pdf, gmail, gmaps, Touchdown exchange client, youtube etc etc. Disaster of Windows 8 UI experince
(notification bar, where art thou ?) When I need full power of Windows 7, I have a acres of real estate with 3 monitor setup on 4.8GHz desktop with LGA2011 and 32GB of RAM.
- N10: full of compromises. Commitment unknown. It seems that all N devices are results of google putting a blow torch to a vendor, resulting in said vendor abandoning the said device the day after it launches. No dock, no microSD (Rubin should stop insulting us with his reasoning for why google dislikes the micrSD), no Wacom, botched charging.
Here's a sad part: 99% of the people in the market for a holiday must-have tablet gizmo, dont care about any of this. They will buy Surface Pro and N10 and iPads etc, by millions and live with the shortcomings, most likely never even noticing them. Ignorance is a bliss.
Those of us that are waiting for the tablet-dun-right, the wait goes on
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Interesting. We seem to agree what our ideal tablet is but conclusion/hope are different. By the way I though hard when I got my HP tablet, which was around the time when Toshiba had just released the M200. Here are my hopes.
Surface Pro, Ativ Smart Pro - Have Wacom, full HD screen, speed, expandable memory, and keyboard dock. Lacking feature here is battery life, and weight and expansive.
Nexus 10 - Has stunning display, speed, good battery life, and weight. Lacking feature are Wacom, expandable memory, and keyboard dock.
Transformer Infinity - Has full HD screen, expandable memory, keyboard dock, good battery life and weight. Lacking feature were speed (was very fast, but can be faster).
Personally Surface RT is no go. Because it is just too restrictive but if RT market explode and matches that of Android maybe. Believe or not, somewhere I remember reading WIndows store has dedicated tablet app of 5000 or so whereas, Android market may not even have that number.. Who knows if its true or not.
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I didn't plan to buy this tablet. I have always said that the iPad is the tablet to have and if your paying $500 then its a no brainer. I played with the flyer for about 20 minutes and realized that it is the most complete tablet to date. If you are into specs then there are better spec'd devices that are not ready for the market.
Pros:
1. Build quality
2. UI is outstanding and sense apps are perfectly optimized for this tablet.
3. Stylus should be an option with useable features for all tablets.
4. Email app is the best.
5. Battery life is just as good as any tablet minus am hour to the iPad.
6. Good size for typing
7. Movies from HTC's service look outstanding
Cons:
1. 7 inch not for everyone
2. No dual core processor
3. No honeycomb yet
4. 5mp camera takes fuzzy pics but seems like its software related
6. When typing in landscape mode I hit the capacitive buttons
It is an outstanding peice of tech and the 1.5 ghz processor seems just as good as a 1 ghz dual core.
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You can take action screenshots by tapping the screen with the stylus.
I did this entire review on my flyer to include uploading the pics onto Photobucket in the same manner you do on a pc/mac.
Thanks for the write up. it was very informative.
I'm having the same issue as you did. It just seems hard to spend $580+tax for a 7" tablet, when you can get a ipad 2 for $500.
I do like Android better, but bang for buck...tough choice.
stepchild said:
Thanks for the write up. it was very informative.
I'm having the same issue as you did. It just seems hard to spend $580+tax for a 7" tablet, when you can get a ipad 2 for $500.
I do like Android better, but bang for buck...tough choice.
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It is a tough choice, but I would choose the flyer. Ipad is perfect with great apps, but memory is not upgradeable and I use it for watching movies in bed or chilling on the couch and I don't need the big screen. I think this is an alternative to the ipad that actually makes sense. Honeycomb will be a better choice when its ready.
I've been reading all these reviews and was on edge on purchasing it. Went into Best Buy today and tried to demo to settle my qualms about the device, and I was abit disappointed... The only thing I was really looking for was the lag on the homescreen UI and I was hoping it would be snappy but even switching between homescreens would present consistent little hiccups =/. The pen usage was actually pretty decent though! It's not like writing on paper of course, nothing close to that in fact but respectable. All in all I think I passed on the flyer because little hiccups in the interface is a dealbreaker for me ;(.
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The only thing I was really looking for was the lag on the homescreen UI and I was hoping it would be snappy but even switching between homescreens would present consistent little hiccups =/.
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That's toobad about your evaluation. I ended up loading ADW because I liked being able to increase columns / rows on the homescreen. At 8x8 you can fit a lot of shortcuts and widgets on a single page. Looking forward to rooting the device and custom roms... But we'll have to see if those appear. A CM build would be awesome.
Go back and try again... It is a nice device with the pen integration. I don't think I could ever recreate the pen experience with a capacitive stylus on the my iPad...
Try it after a fresh reboot.
I have minimal to no lag switching panels, and all are full with Sense widgets or app shortcuts.
stepchild said:
It just seems hard to spend $580+tax for a 7" tablet, when you can get a ipad 2 for $500.
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The prices in Europe are even worse... The 32GB Wi-Fi + 3G is 650 euros (~$900), the 16GB Wi-Fi only is only available for pre-order and it's 500 euro (~$650)
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The prices in Europe are even worse... The 32GB Wi-Fi + 3G is 650 euros (~$900), the 16GB Wi-Fi only is only available for pre-order and it's 500 euro (~$650)
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Interesting. So the folks in the US may be getting the better deal even with the pen sold separately. We can only get the 16 gb wifi version...
I like that the pen is excluded. it gives people the option to spend the money or not.
I would rather have the pen bundled. Otherwise its just another tablet... An overpriced one at that.
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I would rather have the pen bundled. Otherwise its just another tablet... An overpriced one at that.
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How do you figure? What Tablet is less than $499. The Galaxy tab was more expensive, The playbook same price non upgradeable memory, Ipad same not up upgradeable, xoom wifi $99 more expensive and crap, LG slate expensive.
Its made of aluminum, best display, functions with a stylus, etc. If you want a cheap tablet get one this is as high end and functional as it gets.
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How do you figure? What Tablet is less than $499. The Galaxy tab was more expensive, The playbook same price non upgradeable memory, Ipad same not up upgradeable, xoom wifi $99 more expensive and crap, LG slate expensive.
Its made of aluminum, best display, functions with a stylus, etc. If you want a cheap tablet get one this is as high end and functional as it gets.
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There are a lot of options if you just want a Android tablet. The Galaxy Tab, Asus Transformer, Dell Streak and even Huawei Ideos are equal or less than the Flyer without the pen. A lot coming soon also like the Acers.
If I hadn't seen the pen integration accuracy, I would have never considered this device. The tablet in my opinion is perfect tool to go digital in the workplace. Using a stylus with my iPad is inaccurate, clumsy and the keyboard slow. The pen integration takes this device to another level and possibly into the boardroom, which is why I own one today... And love the form-factor, build quality and most of all the pen experience.
The future of this device is yet to be seen. Will other apps support the pen? Or are we dependent upon HTC development? In the next few weeks, I'll be evaluating my satisfaction with the current pen implementation because this may be as good as it gets for this device.
Not hating... Just being realistic.
kcchen said:
There are a lot of options if you just want a Android tablet. The Galaxy Tab, Asus Transformer, Dell Streak and even Huawei Ideos are equal or less than the Flyer without the pen. A lot coming soon also like the Acers.
If I hadn't seen the pen integration accuracy, I would have never considered this device. The tablet in my opinion is perfect tool to go digital in the workplace. Using a stylus with my iPad is inaccurate, clumsy and the keyboard slow. The pen integration takes this device to another level and possibly into the boardroom, which is why I own one today... And love the form-factor, build quality and most of all the pen experience.
The future of this device is yet to be seen. Will other apps support the pen? Or are we dependent upon HTC development? In the next few weeks, I'll be evaluating my satisfaction with the current pen implementation because this may be as good as it gets for this device.
Not hating... Just being realistic.
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I owned a streak 7 and would never put it in the same category. Just because the battery only lasts 3 hours.
stepchild said:
Thanks for the write up. it was very informative.
I'm having the same issue as you did. It just seems hard to spend $580+tax for a 7" tablet, when you can get a ipad 2 for $500.
I do like Android better, but bang for buck...tough choice.
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In Singapore the HTC Flyer price is very reasonable. You can get one for S$ 899 including the pen and a leather case for the 32GB + 3G version. Compare to the same version of Ipad 2 which will cost S$989.
To me the difference is that the flyer is extremely portable, the os is for a phone but then again so is ios. It is stable has a great ui and is worth $499.00
I will start university Soon. I went to my local Best Buy and i saw some good rebates on Laptops and Netbooks. But i always wanted to get a tablet for School and Late night movie watching/e-mail checking (because going on my gaming rig just to check some mails isn't always practical, and the 4.0Inch on my nexus s is just to small). I will have to do some word and powerpoint documents on the go (mainly editing because i do most of it on my Desktop computer), i heard Polaris does a good job, is this true?
Is the Asus Transformer Prime a good alternative to your average College Netbook?
How much will it cost in Canada? (With the deck of course)
Bump. Need some advice.
i have the original transformer and with the dock it is far better than any netbook ive owned. even in terms of power. i have a few office apps installed and all of them work great. the tegra 2 out performs my netbook in terms of graphics. can hardly play anything on my netbook. on top of that the prime has a tegra 3 wich will only be better. so in my opinion the prime would be superior. its a tablet and a netbook and some what of a gaming device with some very usefull office apps.
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i have the original transformer and with the dock it is far better than any netbook ive owned. even in terms of power. i have a few office apps installed and all of them work great. the tegra 2 out performs my netbook in terms of graphics. can hardly play anything on my netbook. on top of that the prime has a tegra 3 wich will only be better. so in my opinion the prime would be superior. its a tablet and a netbook and some what of a gaming device with some very usefull office apps.
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Thanks exactly what i needed. Just pre-ordered it with the dock.
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i have the original transformer and with the dock it is far better than any netbook ive owned. even in terms of power. i have a few office apps installed and all of them work great. the tegra 2 out performs my netbook in terms of graphics. can hardly play anything on my netbook. on top of that the prime has a tegra 3 wich will only be better. so in my opinion the prime would be superior. its a tablet and a netbook and some what of a gaming device with some very usefull office apps.
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can you do all the office tasks needed on the transformer? personally i would think windows or mac is a must in college because all the different software that they might utilize during college. a tablet to me seems like an additional accessory..
jblah said:
can you do all the office tasks needed on the transformer? personally i would think windows or mac is a must in college because all the different software that they might utilize during college. a tablet to me seems like an additional accessory..
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When you say "all the office tasks needed," that's a bit too broad. The Transformer+dock does NOT replace a "real" notebook (e.g., one running a full office suite) for anything beyond simple editing and text entry. Things like headers and footers aren't supported (either at all, or very well), inserting images, etc. It does work extremely well for taking notes (and I personally use Evernote, although for business meetings as opposed to classes; same difference).
If I were in college and could afford it, I'd have a good desktop-replacement notebook sitting at my dorm room or apartment for doing hardcore, complex work, and a Transformer Prime+dock for carrying around campus taking notes. The combination of very light weight, extremely long battery life (18 hours or so, or a nice, very full day on campus), and the ability to read textbooks in tablet format (which is SO much more comfortable than on a notebook) would be awesome.
If you simply cannot afford both a notebook and a tablet, then I guess I'd opt for as lightweight a notebook as I could get that has as long battery life as I could fine. Today, I'd probably take a look at an Ultrabook, to save the money over a MacBook Air and because I'm a Windows guy.
The Tegra 3 Chip is FAR more powerful than any Atom chip (netbook x86 ULV chip). It has much more power saving features and is far more efficient (18-hour battery life O_O). The Prime is will be fully capable of running Windows 8 which Microsoft can supply with an ARM variant of Office. By then of course, OpenOffice, Google Docs, Etc. will all be compatible with Windows 8 ARM. Android also has some wonderful variants, but Google Docs needs to be a lot better for Tablets.
Get the Prime.
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The Tegra 3 Chip is FAR more powerful than any Atom chip (netbook x86 ULV chip). It has much more power saving features and is far more efficient (18-hour battery life O_O). The Prime is will be fully capable of running Windows 8 which Microsoft can supply with an ARM variant of Office. By then of course, OpenOffice, Google Docs, Etc. will all be compatible with Windows 8 ARM. Android also has some wonderful variants, but Google Docs needs to be a lot better for Tablets.
Get the Prime.
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Google Docs is a web client, it doesn't need an app or program on a PC.
I'm going to buy the Prime, hopefully. I can use it for making notes from classes, and when I get home, all the work I do will be uploaded to Docs. Then I can reread them and format them with headers, footers and stuff like that on my MacBook Air or Linux PC.
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Google Docs is a web client, it doesn't need an app or program on a PC.
I'm going to buy the Prime, hopefully. I can use it for making notes from classes, and when I get home, all the work I do will be uploaded to Docs. Then I can reread them and format them with headers, footers and stuff like that on my MacBook Air or Linux PC.
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You cannot use Google Docs on a web browser on the Transformer with the keyboard for some stupid reason. Also, the Google Docs app is really ****ty.
Hopefully for most people, the Transformer Prime can replace both a tablet *and* a netbook, ultraportable or MBA. It's a hassle to transfer files back and forth to a PC or Mac. And it would mean one less computer to feed+support.
For me personally, the only issue would be the lack of OneNote, but it shouldn't be a show-stopper. Polaris should be enough for schoolwork, but I'm not in school anymore, so that's only my guess.
I don't think a tablet is a good replacement for a desktop for going to uni. I use my Galaxy Tab 10.1 for my classes to carry around with me and do my work on my desktop. The one feature I love is textbooks on the tablet. I use them with EZ PDF Reader. I can carry 5 different books easily in my tablet.
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Hopefully for most people, the Transformer Prime can replace both a tablet *and* a netbook, ultraportable or MBA. It's a hassle to transfer files back and forth to a PC or Mac. And it would mean one less computer to feed+support.
For me personally, the only issue would be the lack of OneNote, but it shouldn't be a show-stopper. Polaris should be enough for schoolwork, but I'm not in school anymore, so that's only my guess.
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OneNote was released for iOS awhile ago for some reason, yet not Android. However, there are many free awesome alternatives to OneNote such as Evernote!
What about Docs To Go our QuickOffice? I have them both and they work very well. They allow most (not all) of the features you normally use in MS Office.
Thanks for all the responses. I pre-orded a prime. I had a look at Polaris, and its just what i need. Simple and quick editing. (All the work i do is on my desktop).
I was just graduated after being a college student for 5 years. I have a Transformer 1 and I would say no, not a good replacement for a netbook.
I would love to tell you to get a transformer prime because i am a huge Android enthusiast, but realistically i would recommend a 12" netbook with a duel-core atom processor for around $500, and if you weren't satisfied with that, adding a Solid State Disk would be a huge performance boost.
In my opinion for writing papers, Android will not cut it. I would also predict that will change rather quickly with updates and improvements to the google docs app.
(I wrote most of my papers on Google Docs from a windows PC)
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OneNote was released for iOS awhile ago for some reason, yet not Android. However, there are many free awesome alternatives to OneNote such as Evernote!
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AFAIK, OneNote for iOS totally sux compared to the PC version. So, probably Polaris is enough. The new Quickoffice 5 also looks pretty good.
I intend to replace my netbook with Transformer Prime, since that netbook - while fast and everything with Ubuntu - has decided to die on me with its battery.
What I used the netbook for was mostly some quick critical bug-fixing on some web projects, browsing the web, watching movies and taking notes during lectures. It was a supplement to my desktop PC where I did my major work.
It is a somewhat risky manouvre to replace that with a tablet. It is not nearly as good environment for some web programming work, browser itself is rather limited and office software options are not even close to good enough.
But there are a lot of things that the tablet does much better for my on-the-go lifestyle. The battery is tremendous, for one. I can travel between countries and not have to worry about a charger for quite a while. Then it is also more convenient to use in buses and trains and planes. It is also better for reading and will be friendly with my Android phone far more.
In the end of the day I will find myself using a tablet much more than I have used by netbook. While it is a trade-off in some ways, I am fine with it.
kristovaher said:
I intend to replace my netbook with Transformer Prime, since that netbook - while fast and everything with Ubuntu - has decided to die on me with its battery.
What I used the netbook for was mostly some quick critical bug-fixing on some web projects, browsing the web, watching movies and taking notes during lectures. It was a supplement to my desktop PC where I did my major work.
It is a somewhat risky manouvre to replace that with a tablet. It is not nearly as good environment for some web programming work, browser itself is rather limited and office software options are not even close to good enough.
But there are a lot of things that the tablet does much better for my on-the-go lifestyle. The battery is tremendous, for one. I can travel between countries and not have to worry about a charger for quite a while. Then it is also more convenient to use in buses and trains and planes. It is also better for reading and will be friendly with my Android phone far more.
In the end of the day I will find myself using a tablet much more than I have used by netbook. While it is a trade-off in some ways, I am fine with it.
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Excellent review of what a tablet is for.
Yes it's not as good for some task, but it's also way better for others.
External Hardware is also generaly much better at a same price point (build quality, screen, battery).
I'm tired of people who doesn't have a tablet saying "bla buy a laptop! it does everything better ! A tablet should cost 50 dollars to be worth it!"
No it doesn't do everything better! And for what it does better you have to pay the price in $$ or in weight, size, heat and poor battery life.
And generaly speaking screens on laptop are pretty much all awfull, don't know why though.
Thanks for your insight kristovaher, i really enjoyed it.
I pre-ordered the prime because i already have an Netbook (Somewhat old but still works fast and great). I have to agree that the Asus isnt the best thing to have to make documents, but generally speaking i would rather have a tablet in class to take notes and load some sent documents than a plain old netbook. I used to read books and watch movies on my Netbook, it was the most uncomfortable thing ever, so i hope this tablet will give me a good experience in that aspect.
As I mentioned earlier, most of the work i do is in my dorm (which i call home ) so this is a great alternative for my old netbook.
If there was a netbook to compare the Asus Prime to, it's none but another product by ASUS themselves, The Asus Zenbook UX21.
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You get an Intel i5 CPU (Sandy Bridge), solidstate 128GB drive (Sand Force), USB 3.0 and the windows 7 landmass of comparability.
But comes two things in this comparison,
Price difference is about $230 more for the UX21 over a 64GB Prime+Keyboard dock. That actually doesn't seem all bad considering the specs of the netbook.
Battery life, the UX21 is estimated at 5 hours operation time. The Prime+Dock.. well, estimated at 18 hours. That is 13 hours difference!
Really, The battery life of this thing is a key feature as the guys stated in the posts above.
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I would like to hear from people who own tablets and laptops. I would say i wanna hear from only people who have asus eee pads and tablets, but im sure there few in numbers.
I was wondering what people use there asus eee pad (or other tablet) for? Do you use your tablet more then your laptop? What do you enjoy on your tablet that you don't enjoy "as much" on your laptop? Do you feel like it would be worth buying the asus eee pad prime if you already have a great gaming computer?
Quick question. Can you charge a cell phone from the USB port on the Transformer's dock? That's one great thing about owning a laptop, unlimited battery on my phone.
Can the Prime be charged when plugged into a laptop?
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Quick question. Can you charge a cell phone from the USB port on the Transformer's dock? That's one great thing about owning a laptop, unlimited battery on my phone.
Can the Prime be charged when plugged into a laptop?
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thats a good question, i have no idea.
Well, i just bought a high-end laptop (i7, 8gb, 256gb ssd, hd6630), not specially a gamer laptop but handles games fine. And i also bought the prime. I'm replacing my desktop and netbook with them. The idea is to use the laptop for allaround. Games (every kind), programming in eclipse and some photo editing (with my desktop monitor), basically just anything i might want to throw at it. Then using the tablet for mail, im, playing films and music without having to carry a full laptop all around... who knows, in the future maybe even some android-exclusive gaming... and i'm throwing in the dock because i'm a heavy mail user, so i guess it would be more comfortable, and i like the idea of using my SD cards on the tablet, having a USB port for my external hard drive and the 6 hours extra battery. I travel a lot too, so sometimes the laptop won't be suitable for some kind of travelling while the tablet may be. I have to admit that i'm kind of worried that i might not use the tablet enough to justify its cost, but providing i code for Android and every other thing i just said... i believe i won't be dissapointed. The fact i got a laptop for those uses instead of a desktop is that i'm probably moving to a foreign country soon (1-2 months) and i couldn't afford carrying such a big thing.
When i decided to switch my desktop and netbook for a laptop and a tablet, the transformer (hadn't heard of the prime yet) seemed like my perfect partner, as i use my netbook for almost everything and my desktop just for gaming and photo editing, which is not much lately. If only we had eclipse (or a decent IDE) on the transformer prime, it would really be the perfect gadget for me.
You'll get different answers depending on whether people use them for work, school, or leisure and their overall device portfolio.
I have a high-end i7 desktop with a 23" monitor, a work issued high-end 15" laptop with broadband, a Sony Vaio P with broadband, a tablet with broadband, and a SGS2. All five are connected to my work and personnel Exchange accounts (I don't use Google Mail or apps).
I got a tablet over the Summer and the two devices it impacted most were my phone and the Vaio primarily because out of the three the tablet's now my #1 consumption device. If I'm home and doing anything serious I'll always use my desktop. I'll play with the tablet while I'm watching TV or need to reference something quickly and I have a couple of docks where I'm likely to use it most. I also use it to reply to casual MMS and e-mail because the screen and keyboard are better than the phone's.
If I'm traveling for business where I'll need to do heavy-duty work in Word, Excel, and PowerPoint I'll leave the tablet home and take either my laptop or the Vaio. When I know I'm going to be on the road for a while I'll take the laptop. Anyone who says an Android device can be a subsitute for a work device is nuts. With VPN's, MS Office, extranets et. al., while Android can fake it there's no substitute for native Windows apps, a discrete graphics card, and heaps of RAM and disk space. For day trips and one or two nighter's I'll just bring the tablet because fake-Office will get my by. Same thing if I'm on a leisure trip where I just need to be connected. I do find myself taking the tablet with me when I'm out around town. It's great in restaurants and when you're waiting to be able to read the news, stream media, and send and receive MMS and e-mail. The Vaio does a good job as a consumption device and it's got a 256GB SSD. It's smaller than the tablet but it's still Windows so it takes forever to boot and the screen's not as good as the tablet for video and entertainment type stuff. If I didn't have to be connected to work so much I'd use the tablet instead of the other devices more.
Long answer but bottom line is YMMV depending on what you typically use your laptop (or other devices) for.
According to my experience with the original Transformer (the Prime seems to work the same in this regard)
Yes, phones can be charged via the dock USB port.
No, the Transformer can't be charged by USB on a laptop nor a desktop computer not even a classic power AC or with a classic USB cable.
The Transformer need a 12v output to charge (standard USB cable only handle 5v, and standard power AC only output 5v).
The upside of this is that it charge very very fast (4h is enough to fully charge the dock and the tablet)
I remember on the original transformer, there was a lag when typing online with the dock. It as super annoying when trying to look up stuff at school. I sold it and bought a MBA but I'm hoping this problem is not in the new one so I can get rid of my air for school.
I would say that it's worth it depending on what your needs are. I also have a 17 inch MBP that I never take to school because of the size. However, it is my favorite laptop since the high resolution let's me comfortably view 2 pages side by side and I also have a super fast intel 320 ssd in it. I do have a place in my life for a tablet and I really hope that the prime is it. One of my favorite things to do in the morning was to grab my ipad and go sit on the toilet. Trust me when I say that it's much more uncomfortable balancing a 17 inch laptop on the jon!
^ lmao I know what you mean I have a pc 17" pc laptop and a 13" mbp and I too always spend a great amount of time in the washroom on my 3.7 inch phone. Hopefully I'll be more comfortable when I get the prime. Laptop just to heavy and annoying to use the track pad while on the laptop.
I was wondering this too.
I got a Midrange desktop connected to my 32" 1080p TV and a 15.4" low end laptop.
Im always on my laptop as I moved back home and its not comfy using PC on my bed ha ha. So Im considering if £330 (after voucher and sale of my old HTC Desire) for the Transformer Prime and dock will be worth it while I do not have a job. I am looking for a job and will could get one anytime so tablet will be useful for work based tasks while im away from work and home.
I have a low-end laptop (i3,4gb RAM) and a mid-range desktop (AMD 965 Black, 4gb RAM). This tablet will be strictly for fun, and watching movies while travelling. I had a G Tablet last year and it just didn't do it for me. I'm hoping that the Transformer is all it's cracked up to be, or I'll probably be ditching it in a couple of months.
As they are right now, tablets are primarily for media consumption.
While there are a good amount of productivity apps, the big hitter would be the Android equivalent of Microsoft Office, and having tried most of them, there just aren't any that make the cut.
The ASUS Transformer series are a step in the right direction, mainly because of their distinguishing feature, the keyboard dock. But until there are Android apps that make good use of it, it won't replace my MS Office-equipped Alienware laptop when I really need to get work done.
I used to have the original TF, so I know this from experience. I just hope that with the Prime, they got rid of, or at least improved the typing lag that was present in the TF.
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As they are right now, tablets are primarily for media consumption.
While there are a good amount of productivity apps, the big hitter would be the Android equivalent of Microsoft Office, and having tried most of them, there just aren't any that make the cut.
The ASUS Transformer series are a step in the right direction, mainly because of their distinguishing feature, the keyboard dock. But until there are Android apps that make good use of it, it won't replace my MS Office-equipped Alienware laptop when I really need to get work done.
I used to have the original TF, so I know this from experience. I just hope that with the Prime, they got rid of, or at least improved the typing lag that was present in the TF.
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was not aware of typing lag, that would suck BALLS if they didn't get rid of it.
the reason i made this thread is because im planning on buying a laptop, but im worried it will take place of my tablet.. i may still buy them both, but im still not sure.
I have Transformer and recently I was really mad because I had to bring my laptop which was so heavy to finish some powerpoint presentation. I immediately bought USB adapter for Trasnformer and next time I hope my laptop will stay at home where I use it as a desktop.
If you need a laptop, then you need a laptop. Thinking a tablet is going to be a complete replacement is a mistake if you do anything demanding or that requires heavy use of specific applications.
What I think a tablet - and especially the Transformer Prime - replaces is a netbook. Laptops are powerful, but also usually larger, heavier and with considerably worse battery life. Netbooks are cheap, but usually quite anaemically-powered for running desktop OSes, and usually don't have the touch-screen accessibility of a tablet. I think the Prime sits in a great position with respect to size, weight, battery life, power and usability here.
If you'd be happy using a netbook to use the web, email, take notes, play video, chat to people, play simpler games and do some light office application work, the Prime is a real contender. If you need to do something you wouldn't want to do on a netbook, the Prime isn't likely to be any better.
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If you need a laptop, then you need a laptop. Thinking a tablet is going to be a complete replacement is a mistake if you do anything demanding or that requires heavy use of specific applications.
What I think a tablet - and especially the Transformer Prime - replaces is a netbook. Laptops are powerful, but also usually larger, heavier and with considerably worse battery life. Netbooks are cheap, but usually quite anaemically-powered for running desktop OSes, and usually don't have the touch-screen accessibility of a tablet. I think the Prime sits in a great position with respect to size, weight, battery life, power and usability here.
If you'd be happy using a netbook to use the web, email, take notes, play video, chat to people, play simpler games and do some light office application work, the Prime is a real contender. If you need to do something you wouldn't want to do on a netbook, the Prime isn't likely to be any better.
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I agree 100%
I dont know why people even think it can replace a laptop.
Netbook replacement for a Transformer + dock makes much more sense.
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I agree 100%
I dont know why people even think it can replace a laptop.
Netbook replacement for a Transformer + dock makes much more sense.
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i don't know if anyones implying something, but i never said/thought it would EVER replace a laptop.
If we had a fully functioning office application (no polaris does not count) then maybe most wouldn't need their laptops.
however until Microsoft release office for android you will need both for most business or study uses.
LibreOffice team working on a free Android version
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If we had a fully functioning office application (no polaris does not count) then maybe most wouldn't need their laptops.
however until Microsoft release office for android you will need both for most business or study uses.
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I highly doubt Microsoft would ever release Office for Android. We may see Android being supported by Office Live! running in the cloud. However, just as we have several MS Office alternatives on the desktop, they are also coming out for Android. The Document Foundation is actively developing LibreOffice for Android.
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however until Microsoft release office for android you will need both for most business or study uses.
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It's more then just MS Office. Someone mentioned PPT. If you're presenting at a clients location god knows what you'll find yourself connecting to for projection. A flat-panel with HDMI? A circa 2000 LCD projector with a VGA cable? DVI? USB? S-Video? And large PPTs are loaded with heavy graphics, transitions, interactivity, and imbedded video. They can tax a low-powered laptop.
And networking at a clients location is tough enough with a Windows laptop where IT staff at least know what settings have to be input to get on their network. And many companies forbid Wi-Fi because of the security risk so you're connecting over Ethernet. The networking tools on Android are really just meh and vary across manufacturers so IT groups usually won't touch them.
And don't forget you're looking at a device with 1GB of RAM, limited graphics capabilities, and a processor that while great for a tablet or phone isn't architected for heavy-duty business apps. This again can even tax a low-end laptop. When MS increased the size of spreadsheets in 64bit Excel I had to buy a dozen new i7 laptops with tons of RAM for people at work because their two-year old laptops could no longer handle the load.
I know these are extremes and only effect a minority of people but just because an Android tablet with a keyboard looks like a laptop won't make it a true replacement in its current form. This is where there's probably a real opening for Windows 8 tablets. It'll support multiple chipsets and the h/w on the high-end will be a lot more powerful and versatile than anything Android. And of course the s/w will be business compatible. So once W8 tablets arrive Android for business use will probably disappear and MS, Dell, and HP know it. Even though I have a tablet with a keyboard, this is what I use when I don't feel like schlepping my 10lbs of laptop and accessories on the road. It's running Windows 7 Ultimate, MS Office 2010, has a 256GB SSD, and weighs a pound and a half with all its accessories.
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It's more then just MS Office. Someone mentioned PPT. If you're presenting at a clients location god knows what you'll find yourself connecting to for projection. A flat-panel with HDMI? A circa 2000 LCD projector with a VGA cable? DVI? USB? S-Video?...
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Asus specifically makes an HDMI to VGA dongle for the Transformer. HDMI is also easily changed into DVI as the signals are electronically compatible. With a Tegra 3 processor the Transformer Prime should handle sophisticated PPT presentations with ease. In fact it would probably be much better than the shoddy Intel integrated graphics on my enterprise business class Tablet PC.
I wouldn't necessarily want to use the Transformer for content creation (not yet), but I would think it would be more than adequate for the business traveler who needs to show presentations.
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Lets hope so. I really like the prime "formfactor" and would like tablets/laptop/ultrabooks to keep using a separate dock so competition gives more chance for that to happen.
Yes!!!! Please!!!
Umm if all it takes to be a copycat is to have a tablet with removeable keyboard then the prime and original transformer are the copycats not microsoft tablets. There were microsoft tablets that had that functionality years ago; albeit they kind of sucked, but they were out there.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/lenovo-ideapad-u1-hybrid-laptop-by-day-unhinged-tablet-by-nigh/
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Umm if all it takes to be a copycat is to have a tablet with removeable keyboard then the prime and original transformer are the copycats not microsoft tablets. There were microsoft tablets that had that functionality years ago; albeit they kind of sucked, but they were out there.
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Yes, indeed, and actually I disagree that Windows Tablet PCs sucked (or suck). They were (and remain) EXCELLENT for anyone who needs to gather information in the field, take copious notes (e.g., students, salespeople, etc.), and who can benefit from having full Windows apps (e.g., Office 2010) in a highly mobile form factor with alternative means to enter information.
In fact, I think Apple's biggest (and worst) feat was to convince people that active digitizers and pens are a bad thing--they're not, and no capacitive touchscreen can provide anything near the accuracy and precision. Microsoft should be sent to the lowest rung of business hell for how poorly they marketed the Tablet PC platform. I used Tablet PCs for six years as a sales engineer for Ricoh, and you'd have had to pry the things out of my cold, dead hands before I would have given them up.
Modern tablets are good for consumption and very light productivity. But if I were still in a sales position where I took lots of notes, I'd be using a Tablet PC today. And even though I'm not, I'd still kill for a Transformer running Windows 8 with full Office and an active digitizer/pen. That would be heaven.
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I'm just wondering whether or not in the future, ASUS will give us the option of Android or Windows 8.
I'd consider a Windows 8 device like this easily, as long as it's good enough, but without something like getting cygwin (groan) up and running and sticking an Xeon in the back pocket to run that fast enough, I can't really fathom it being as good for my needs as Android -- where I can use the best of Linux and Android to fulfill my needs.
For many power users, a Windows 8+ transformer would probably be the best thing.
I'm still wondering when a future iteration of laptops will make a touch screen manatory and the touchpad like PS/2 ports used to be...hehe.
You can bet that Windows 8, as much as the metro interface blows, will be a seed of change for the future of tablet computing. The main reason is the application support it will gain. Combine that with tablets that have true digitizers and you're looking at the future.
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Umm if all it takes to be a copycat is to have a tablet with removeable keyboard then the prime and original transformer are the copycats not microsoft tablets. There were microsoft tablets that had that functionality years ago; albeit they kind of sucked, but they were out there.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/lenovo-ideapad-u1-hybrid-laptop-by-day-unhinged-tablet-by-nigh/
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Picture is an HP tablet .. not microsoft, it was just running a version of XP with touchscreen functions
AFAIK microsoft never made a tablet themselfs.
I know what you mean though, asus aint the first to come up with a tablet design with keyboard dock...
MS never had a decent operating system for touch screen devices untill perhaps windows 8 ??
Who knows.
Those HP tablets didn't have true touch screen capabilities only the use of a Pen (Stylus) what had a battery inside it what would die after a month or two.
They were quite good I used to use one in school as I was slow at writing and keeping up. Every teacher had one and they were quite reliable. They were pretty much just a laptop with a navigation pen (no where near as good as any modern day touchphone or tablet
There's a fallacy here the Apple created and everyone now seems to follow: that a capacitive touch screen is necessarily better for all mobile devices. Sure, it doesn't require a stylus, but it's also very inaccurate and imprecise. Modern mobile OSs are simply designed around their limitations (e.g., large buttons).
Recent Windows Tablet PCs that use active digitizers and pens (most of which do NOT require batteries) offer excellent precision and accuracy, pressure sensitivity, etc. My four-year-old Dell Latitude XT also has a capacitive layer for touch (support 2-finger multitouch), for what it's worth. And, Windows 7 is excellent with such a stylus, offering a responsive screen, tablet-specific shortcuts (e.g., multi-selecting files in Windows Explorer), etc.
I'd say that a Windows 7 Tablet PC with a modern digitizer could easily make for a great experience with just a few improvements, and is a very good experience today. No, it's not optimized for touch, but then again there's far more precision and control with the current stylus-based metaphor. The problem is, Steve Jobs convinced everyone that needing a stylus is a bad thing, and so now we have over-simplified touch-based interfaces that, while seeming more elegant (I mean, we just TOUCH our screens with our FINGERS and they respond!) are actually quite limited functionally.
Now, I see the advantage of touch screens on smartphones. They're too small to make even a good active digitizer and pen functional. And I think those make good use of touch-optimized user interfaces. But tablets are a different story. As I said earlier, Microsoft should be shot for neglecting this form factor for so long--they had a freaking goldmine on their hands, and blew it.
>The problem is, Steve Jobs convinced everyone that needing a stylus is a bad thing
Quit the inane blame game. MS' Tablet PC & convertibles were around long before the iPad. They failed because of MS' mistakes, not because Jobs "dupes" users. I note you didn't mention how much that Latitude XT cost, or its battery life, or how heavy it was. Or, more to point, how useful it was to the normal user who just want to browse the web, do light wordprocessing, and watch movies (no social back in those days).
Here's a refresher (for the system reviewed below): $3640, 3.12 lbs, 3-4 hrs use.
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4323
Resistive touch tech has its strong points. Its weak point is that you need a pointed stick, and fingers (which aren't pointed) are more convenient to use. As you yourself pointed out, having capacitive touch doesn't exclude more precise input methods, eg HTC Flyer and Thinkpad Tablet. That those differentiations didn't take was because there is no mainstream demand for precise input on mobile devices. All mobile OS UIs, including Win8's Metro, are designed for fingers.
BTW, for those who can't be bothered to read the article, the patent is applied not for the detachable screen, but for the dedicated SoC in the dock. So, you'd get high performance in dock mode, and battery-conserving mode when undocked.
It's not a very practical idea, since you'd incur the cost of the additional SoC and supporting components--effectively doubling the component cost. It'd be good for a premium device w/o worry for price competition. But that's not today's market. Win8 will have its work cut out to compete against the iPad price-wise.
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>The problem is, Steve Jobs convinced everyone that needing a stylus is a bad thing
Quit the inane blame game. MS' Tablet PC & convertibles were around long before the iPad. They failed because of MS' mistakes, not because Jobs "dupes" users. I note you didn't mention how much that Latitude XT cost, or its battery life, or how heavy it was. Or, more to point, how useful it was to the normal user who just want to browse the web, do light wordprocessing, and watch movies (no social back in those days).
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I believe I did blame Microsoft, quite strongly. And yes, back then component costs were higher, including ultra-low voltage Intel X86 processors and small form-factor notebooks in general. Also, you picked a very expensive example (I paid quite a bit less for my Latitude XT). Today, Tablet PCs can be had for under $1000.
Also, note that the HTC and Lenovo tablets with pens don't use standard capacitive screens for the pen input. They use active digitizers from N-trig, which are far more precise than the typical capacitive stylus.
My point about Jobs's role in the whole thing is how he argued against the stylus in a very disingenuous attack on Tablet PCs of the time, and just as important how nobody called him on it. But that's a different debate.
I'd be happy to have a device with the productivity of Windows 7 tablets and active digitizer/pens (full Office apps, an excellent notetaking app like OneNote, etc.), with the same battery life advantages and, yes, simpler user interface of iOS and ICS tablets for casual use. Perhaps Win 8 will offer that combination. I wonder, though, because I don't believe there's a low-power processor out yet that can handle the kind of background handwriting recognition that Window 7 Tablet PCs can handle.
And note that Tablet PCs were just fine for the things you things you mention--Web browsing, light word processing, watching movies--as today's tablets. They weren't as light, and they didn't offer the battery life. But that's because the technology wasn't there yet. And in fact, in terms of running X86 apps (i.e., more than today's exceedingly simple mobile apps), we're only this year getting the Intel chipsets to make it possible. I'm still unclear on whether the ARM version of Win 8 will run X86 apps, but I'm pretty sure it won't.
My point was that Tablet PCs were incredibly productive devices, far more so than any modern tablet made today. And I stick by that assertion 100%.
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Calling asus copycats is ridiculous. There were keyboards for tablets before - yes. But none anywhere near as intuitive & featured as the tf101. Look at the motion le1700 for a perfect example of keyboard tablet fails. Ipad has tried. HP has tried. No one has come close to making a tablet with a keyboard as well as asus.
it really is lame when people lose credit for properly implementing good ideas.
windows 8 looks more and more disappointing.
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Calling asus copycats is ridiculous. There were keyboards for tablets before - yes. But none anywhere near as intuitive & featured as the tf101. Look at the motion le1700 for a perfect example of keyboard tablet fails. Ipad has tried. HP has tried. No one has come close to making a tablet with a keyboard as well as asus.
it really is lame when people lose credit for properly implementing good ideas.
windows 8 looks more and more disappointing.
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I agree with you about the Transformer, it's a great implementation. Saying Windows 8 looks disappointing seems like a non sequitor here, though.
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I agree with you about the Transformer, it's a great implementation. Saying Windows 8 looks disappointing seems like a non sequitor here, though.
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Microsoft is missing the entire point of the tablet. No one wants half a device, especially when the preformance cut is coming from the half of device you use. The power needs to be in the tablet itself, not the dock. All the tablet optimized gaming will be terrible if you need the keyboard attached to unlock the true potential.
The article makes it seem like the transformer is at a loss because it doesn't give you more preformance when you dock. The point of the dock isn't preformance, it's battery life and word processing with more expansion slots! You don't need more power forword processing or pulling files off a usb drive lol.
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Microsoft is missing the entire point of the tablet. No one wants half a device, especially when the preformance cut is coming from the half of device you use. The power needs to be in the tablet itself, not the dock. All the tablet optimized gaming will be terrible if you need the keyboard attached to unlock the true potential.
The article makes it seem like the transformer is at a loss because it doesn't give you more preformance when you dock. The point of the dock isn't preformance, it's battery life and word processing with more expansion slots! You don't need more power forword processing or pulling files off a usb drive lol.
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I see. Well, this is just one patent that Microsoft may or may not be planning to make (far more patents are written than are actually made into real products). It really has nothing to do with Windows 8, which I guarantee will be on all kinds of different form factors before it's all done.
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Calling asus copycats is ridiculous. There were keyboards for tablets before - yes. But none anywhere near as intuitive & featured as the tf101. Look at the motion le1700 for a perfect example of keyboard tablet fails. Ipad has tried. HP has tried. No one has come close to making a tablet with a keyboard as well as asus.
it really is lame when people lose credit for properly implementing good ideas.
windows 8 looks more and more disappointing.
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And calling a microsoft tablet that has a keyboard dock a transformer prime copycat might even be more ridiculous. If you'd actually read the remark "calling asus [a] copycat" correctly you'd see I hadn't actually called Asus copycats:
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Umm if all it takes to be a copycat is to have a tablet with removeable keyboard then the prime and original transformer are the copycats not microsoft tablets.
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I don't believe Asus was a copycat, but if you're ONLY taking into account the tablet with detachable keyboard form factor, then yes they copied an idea someone else had come up with before them.
I think Asus definitely has done a great job implementing this good idea, and they deserve a ton of credit for that. But don't give them credit for coming up with the original idea and taking that credit away from the people that did.
And as pointed out, the new idea for this Microsoft tablet patent is to have 2 separate SoCs (we'll see if it's a good one or not once it's out, my guess is not). Which the prime doesn't do.
Windows 8 could be the greatest thing to come to tablets, mobile computing and the "post-PC world", the ultimate merging of a unified OS across all your computers, the death knell to Apple or the opposite, the last desperate failure of Microsoft in the mobile world and dawn of Apple domination across all devices; or more likely just another decent option in the computing world where we get to choose which one suits our own personal style the most.
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I think Asus definitely has done a great job implementing this good idea, and they deserve a ton of credit for that. But don't give them credit for coming up with the original idea and taking that credit away from the people that did.
And as pointed out, the new idea for this Microsoft tablet patent is to have 2 separate SoCs (we'll see if it's a good one or not once it's out, my guess is not). Which the prime doesn't do.
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Agreed. Far more is made about this whole being first thing. Apple wasn't the first with the smartphone (although they did some things to make it better, while in my opinion obliterating some of what was good about previous versions), ASUS isn't the first to make a keyboard dock/tablet combo (and I don't think HP was first with theirs, either), etc. Innovation doesn't mean just coming up with something uniquely original--sometimes it means taking a good idea and making it better (or just different).
Even THIS idea isn't new. Lenovo had a notebook/tablet hybrid they intro'd at CES in 2012, the IdeaPad U1. It was a full-fledged Windows notebook in the base, and the "screen" was a detachable tablet with an ARM SoC. They never made it as an actual commercial product, I don't think.
I actually doubt that this Microsoft patent will ever see a shipping product. As I mentioned, far more ideas are patented than are actually made into real products. It's possible, but somehow I doubt it.
Engadget overview of Nexus 10 Hands on!
http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/29/nexus-10-hands-on-video/
One sad part of this is that the N10 still charges through the micro-USB port, as there were no dedicated charging port evident (the pogo-pin is for an optional dock, which will probably be as vaporware as the N7 dock).
Aside from that USB charging is slow, as it's limited by 5V, when you're charging you can't use the USB port for anything else. You'd have to use a modded kernel along with a Y-adapter cable to do charging+USB, and resistance in the Y cable will make charging even slower.
BTW, [email protected] = 33.3Whr, roughly equal to Surface RT's 31.5Whr, and less than iPad 3's 42.5Whr. So, the combo of Exynos 5 + super-hi-res LCD doesn't look to suck up that much power. But it is double N7's 16Whr batt.
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Engadget overview of Nexus 10 Hands on!
http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/29/nexus-10-hands-on-video/
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thats really a no brainer if you are having to choose between ipad 3 and nexus 10.
>thats really a no brainer if you are having to choose between ipad 3 and nexus 10.
N10 has better specs, but as another said, it looks like it was made for Chinese kids (or Korean kids, since it's Samsung heh). Looks count for a lot for regular peeps who don't follow the geeky specs talk.
That, plus lack of tab apps, and most importantly, user familiarity with iProducts. Buying an iPad nowaday is the safe choice, just like buying a Windows PC a few years before, and an IBM PC a few years before that.
In the Google graph below you can roughly gauge how well Nexus 7 is doing by tracking 4.1 adoption rate relative to the rest of the Android eco. In the 3.5 months of N7, adoption rate is around 5%. You can also see how well the 2011 Android tabs (HC) did, again around 5%.
So yes, the N10 has great specs, but don't count on it changing the world any time soon.
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So what is the downside of charging via a micro USB port (seriously, not being a dummy here)? I love that I don't have to buy a new charger just for one new device. Plus, for my ASUS Transformer XXXs, the charger is proprietary and costs about 25 to 40 bucks if you can find it.
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One sad part of this is that the N10 still charges through the micro-USB port, as there were no dedicated charging port evident (the pogo-pin is for an optional dock, which will probably be as vaporware as the N7 dock).
Aside from that USB charging is slow, as it's limited by 5V, when you're charging you can't use the USB port for anything else. You'd have to use a modded kernel along with a Y-adapter cable to do charging+USB, and resistance in the Y cable will make charging even slower.
BTW, [email protected] = 33.3Whr, roughly equal to Surface RT's 31.5Whr, and less than iPad 3's 42.5Whr. So, the combo of Exynos 5 + super-hi-res LCD doesn't look to suck up that much power. But it is double N7's 16Whr batt.
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>So what is the downside of charging via a micro USB port
Second quoted paragraph.
>Plus, for my ASUS Transformer XXXs, the charger is proprietary and costs about 25 to 40 bucks if you can find it.
Asus got greedy and used a proprietary connector. Dedicated charger doesn't mean proprietary; it can use a regular barrel connector, and 12V wall warts are a dime a dozen.
I don't think you realize, but on Google's site, it states that bottom connector, is a magnetic Pogo pin CHARGER. So the device has two ways to charge. :victory:
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>thats really a no brainer if you are having to choose between ipad 3 and nexus 10.
N10 has better specs, but as another said, it looks like it was made for Chinese kids (or Korean kids, since it's Samsung heh). Looks count for a lot for regular peeps who don't follow the geeky specs talk.
That, plus lack of tab apps, and most importantly, user familiarity with iProducts. Buying an iPad nowaday is the safe choice, just like buying a Windows PC a few years before, and an IBM PC a few years before that.
In the Google graph below you can roughly gauge how well Nexus 7 is doing by tracking 4.1 adoption rate relative to the rest of the Android eco. In the 3.5 months of N7, adoption rate is around 5%. You can also see how well the 2011 Android tabs (HC) did, again around 5%.
So yes, the N10 has great specs, but don't count on it changing the world any time soon.
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if you are gonna resell it later then buy an ipad is a safe choice, yes.
To me opinion, there are 2 kinds of ppl buying the ipad: Apple fanboys and people who don't know anything about tablet.
And unless you can see and feel it by yourself (no, not on youtube), don't say it is made for kids.
Oh and having the micro USB is not a bad thing. THis means it can easily use the USB OTG by rooting, which is more important than slow charging.
If you're ignorant and buy electronics like fashion accessory to look at then get iPad otherwise those who are tech savvy and plan to maximize the usage will get the Nexus 10. I tried using iPad3 but the OS and UI are so dumbed down that it was restrictive and frustrating. (good for children and grandparents though). Wanted to throw it against the wall. I own the Galaxy Note 10.1 but wished it was a Nexus so Nexus 10 is about as close to that but without Wacom pen. Definitely going to buy one when it's released.
Check Romain Guy's N10 shots:
https://plus.google.com/111962077049890418486/posts/8cTHnSTLrqF
Nexus 10 Hands on by The Verge
Since i can't post links i'll just tell you to check out the "The Verge" Channel on Youtube. They've just posted a Hands on Video of the Nexus 10 and also of the Nexus 4.
Are people seriously recommending the iPad over the nexus 10?
Wow.
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One sad part of this is that the N10 still charges through the micro-USB port, as there were no dedicated charging port evident (the pogo-pin is for an optional dock, which will probably be as vaporware as the N7 dock).
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USB charging rhetoric is irrelevant lately, the Note 2 also charges through USB but it does so at 1800mA. The N10 comes with the same 2A charger and the Nexus 10 is set up to charge at that rate. If you plug in a beefy enough charger, it will suck the power needed. The pogo pin charger is also set up to get up to 2A.
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Looks count for a lot for regular peeps who don't follow the geeky specs talk.
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Some people will buy the best looking, others will be more concerned about which is the cheapest!
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Some people will buy the best looking, others will be more concerned about which is the cheapest!
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and some others give priority to the functionality and usability...
From what I have noticed, since most of the people are familiar with iDevices, and since their functionality and UI is exactly the same, the chose and iPad over android tablets. Also the smart marketing by Apple allows them to reach out to people who are not "geeky", which represent most of the population and again account for most of the iPad customers. Apples usage of words like Retina Display, FaceTime, iSight, Lightning connector, AirPlay successfully lures away "general" public. Similarly looks also matter a lot to people who use this device. And not to forget, iPad has the largest selection of apps that are made for a tablet. And finally people ask for a recommendation before buying a tablet and since most of the people chose an iPad, you are smart enough to know what your next tablet would be.
Another reason what I PERSONALLY think that android tablets are still not the personal choice among mainstream public is that the functioning of Android UI is too complex for them. The amount of personalization that an android tablet offers seems to be a big down side too as most of the users want to keep everything simple.
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Another reason what I PERSONALLY think that android tablets are still not the personal choice among mainstream public is that the functioning of Android UI is too complex for them. The amount of personalization that an android tablet offers seems to be a big down side too as most of the users want to keep everything simple.
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I disagree. Android UI starts off plain jane simple. It even walks you through during the Intial setup and once your device is setup it offers tips and guides on your home screen. If you want to start customizing it the tools are there for you to utilize unlike IOS. Some UIs are very vanilla on android.
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