Engadget overview of Nexus 10 Hands on!
http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/29/nexus-10-hands-on-video/
One sad part of this is that the N10 still charges through the micro-USB port, as there were no dedicated charging port evident (the pogo-pin is for an optional dock, which will probably be as vaporware as the N7 dock).
Aside from that USB charging is slow, as it's limited by 5V, when you're charging you can't use the USB port for anything else. You'd have to use a modded kernel along with a Y-adapter cable to do charging+USB, and resistance in the Y cable will make charging even slower.
BTW, [email protected] = 33.3Whr, roughly equal to Surface RT's 31.5Whr, and less than iPad 3's 42.5Whr. So, the combo of Exynos 5 + super-hi-res LCD doesn't look to suck up that much power. But it is double N7's 16Whr batt.
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Engadget overview of Nexus 10 Hands on!
http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/29/nexus-10-hands-on-video/
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thats really a no brainer if you are having to choose between ipad 3 and nexus 10.
>thats really a no brainer if you are having to choose between ipad 3 and nexus 10.
N10 has better specs, but as another said, it looks like it was made for Chinese kids (or Korean kids, since it's Samsung heh). Looks count for a lot for regular peeps who don't follow the geeky specs talk.
That, plus lack of tab apps, and most importantly, user familiarity with iProducts. Buying an iPad nowaday is the safe choice, just like buying a Windows PC a few years before, and an IBM PC a few years before that.
In the Google graph below you can roughly gauge how well Nexus 7 is doing by tracking 4.1 adoption rate relative to the rest of the Android eco. In the 3.5 months of N7, adoption rate is around 5%. You can also see how well the 2011 Android tabs (HC) did, again around 5%.
So yes, the N10 has great specs, but don't count on it changing the world any time soon.
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So what is the downside of charging via a micro USB port (seriously, not being a dummy here)? I love that I don't have to buy a new charger just for one new device. Plus, for my ASUS Transformer XXXs, the charger is proprietary and costs about 25 to 40 bucks if you can find it.
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One sad part of this is that the N10 still charges through the micro-USB port, as there were no dedicated charging port evident (the pogo-pin is for an optional dock, which will probably be as vaporware as the N7 dock).
Aside from that USB charging is slow, as it's limited by 5V, when you're charging you can't use the USB port for anything else. You'd have to use a modded kernel along with a Y-adapter cable to do charging+USB, and resistance in the Y cable will make charging even slower.
BTW, [email protected] = 33.3Whr, roughly equal to Surface RT's 31.5Whr, and less than iPad 3's 42.5Whr. So, the combo of Exynos 5 + super-hi-res LCD doesn't look to suck up that much power. But it is double N7's 16Whr batt.
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>So what is the downside of charging via a micro USB port
Second quoted paragraph.
>Plus, for my ASUS Transformer XXXs, the charger is proprietary and costs about 25 to 40 bucks if you can find it.
Asus got greedy and used a proprietary connector. Dedicated charger doesn't mean proprietary; it can use a regular barrel connector, and 12V wall warts are a dime a dozen.
I don't think you realize, but on Google's site, it states that bottom connector, is a magnetic Pogo pin CHARGER. So the device has two ways to charge. :victory:
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>thats really a no brainer if you are having to choose between ipad 3 and nexus 10.
N10 has better specs, but as another said, it looks like it was made for Chinese kids (or Korean kids, since it's Samsung heh). Looks count for a lot for regular peeps who don't follow the geeky specs talk.
That, plus lack of tab apps, and most importantly, user familiarity with iProducts. Buying an iPad nowaday is the safe choice, just like buying a Windows PC a few years before, and an IBM PC a few years before that.
In the Google graph below you can roughly gauge how well Nexus 7 is doing by tracking 4.1 adoption rate relative to the rest of the Android eco. In the 3.5 months of N7, adoption rate is around 5%. You can also see how well the 2011 Android tabs (HC) did, again around 5%.
So yes, the N10 has great specs, but don't count on it changing the world any time soon.
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if you are gonna resell it later then buy an ipad is a safe choice, yes.
To me opinion, there are 2 kinds of ppl buying the ipad: Apple fanboys and people who don't know anything about tablet.
And unless you can see and feel it by yourself (no, not on youtube), don't say it is made for kids.
Oh and having the micro USB is not a bad thing. THis means it can easily use the USB OTG by rooting, which is more important than slow charging.
If you're ignorant and buy electronics like fashion accessory to look at then get iPad otherwise those who are tech savvy and plan to maximize the usage will get the Nexus 10. I tried using iPad3 but the OS and UI are so dumbed down that it was restrictive and frustrating. (good for children and grandparents though). Wanted to throw it against the wall. I own the Galaxy Note 10.1 but wished it was a Nexus so Nexus 10 is about as close to that but without Wacom pen. Definitely going to buy one when it's released.
Check Romain Guy's N10 shots:
https://plus.google.com/111962077049890418486/posts/8cTHnSTLrqF
Nexus 10 Hands on by The Verge
Since i can't post links i'll just tell you to check out the "The Verge" Channel on Youtube. They've just posted a Hands on Video of the Nexus 10 and also of the Nexus 4.
Are people seriously recommending the iPad over the nexus 10?
Wow.
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One sad part of this is that the N10 still charges through the micro-USB port, as there were no dedicated charging port evident (the pogo-pin is for an optional dock, which will probably be as vaporware as the N7 dock).
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USB charging rhetoric is irrelevant lately, the Note 2 also charges through USB but it does so at 1800mA. The N10 comes with the same 2A charger and the Nexus 10 is set up to charge at that rate. If you plug in a beefy enough charger, it will suck the power needed. The pogo pin charger is also set up to get up to 2A.
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Looks count for a lot for regular peeps who don't follow the geeky specs talk.
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Some people will buy the best looking, others will be more concerned about which is the cheapest!
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Some people will buy the best looking, others will be more concerned about which is the cheapest!
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and some others give priority to the functionality and usability...
From what I have noticed, since most of the people are familiar with iDevices, and since their functionality and UI is exactly the same, the chose and iPad over android tablets. Also the smart marketing by Apple allows them to reach out to people who are not "geeky", which represent most of the population and again account for most of the iPad customers. Apples usage of words like Retina Display, FaceTime, iSight, Lightning connector, AirPlay successfully lures away "general" public. Similarly looks also matter a lot to people who use this device. And not to forget, iPad has the largest selection of apps that are made for a tablet. And finally people ask for a recommendation before buying a tablet and since most of the people chose an iPad, you are smart enough to know what your next tablet would be.
Another reason what I PERSONALLY think that android tablets are still not the personal choice among mainstream public is that the functioning of Android UI is too complex for them. The amount of personalization that an android tablet offers seems to be a big down side too as most of the users want to keep everything simple.
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Another reason what I PERSONALLY think that android tablets are still not the personal choice among mainstream public is that the functioning of Android UI is too complex for them. The amount of personalization that an android tablet offers seems to be a big down side too as most of the users want to keep everything simple.
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I disagree. Android UI starts off plain jane simple. It even walks you through during the Intial setup and once your device is setup it offers tips and guides on your home screen. If you want to start customizing it the tools are there for you to utilize unlike IOS. Some UIs are very vanilla on android.
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I didn't plan to buy this tablet. I have always said that the iPad is the tablet to have and if your paying $500 then its a no brainer. I played with the flyer for about 20 minutes and realized that it is the most complete tablet to date. If you are into specs then there are better spec'd devices that are not ready for the market.
Pros:
1. Build quality
2. UI is outstanding and sense apps are perfectly optimized for this tablet.
3. Stylus should be an option with useable features for all tablets.
4. Email app is the best.
5. Battery life is just as good as any tablet minus am hour to the iPad.
6. Good size for typing
7. Movies from HTC's service look outstanding
Cons:
1. 7 inch not for everyone
2. No dual core processor
3. No honeycomb yet
4. 5mp camera takes fuzzy pics but seems like its software related
6. When typing in landscape mode I hit the capacitive buttons
It is an outstanding peice of tech and the 1.5 ghz processor seems just as good as a 1 ghz dual core.
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You can take action screenshots by tapping the screen with the stylus.
I did this entire review on my flyer to include uploading the pics onto Photobucket in the same manner you do on a pc/mac.
Thanks for the write up. it was very informative.
I'm having the same issue as you did. It just seems hard to spend $580+tax for a 7" tablet, when you can get a ipad 2 for $500.
I do like Android better, but bang for buck...tough choice.
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Thanks for the write up. it was very informative.
I'm having the same issue as you did. It just seems hard to spend $580+tax for a 7" tablet, when you can get a ipad 2 for $500.
I do like Android better, but bang for buck...tough choice.
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It is a tough choice, but I would choose the flyer. Ipad is perfect with great apps, but memory is not upgradeable and I use it for watching movies in bed or chilling on the couch and I don't need the big screen. I think this is an alternative to the ipad that actually makes sense. Honeycomb will be a better choice when its ready.
I've been reading all these reviews and was on edge on purchasing it. Went into Best Buy today and tried to demo to settle my qualms about the device, and I was abit disappointed... The only thing I was really looking for was the lag on the homescreen UI and I was hoping it would be snappy but even switching between homescreens would present consistent little hiccups =/. The pen usage was actually pretty decent though! It's not like writing on paper of course, nothing close to that in fact but respectable. All in all I think I passed on the flyer because little hiccups in the interface is a dealbreaker for me ;(.
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The only thing I was really looking for was the lag on the homescreen UI and I was hoping it would be snappy but even switching between homescreens would present consistent little hiccups =/.
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That's toobad about your evaluation. I ended up loading ADW because I liked being able to increase columns / rows on the homescreen. At 8x8 you can fit a lot of shortcuts and widgets on a single page. Looking forward to rooting the device and custom roms... But we'll have to see if those appear. A CM build would be awesome.
Go back and try again... It is a nice device with the pen integration. I don't think I could ever recreate the pen experience with a capacitive stylus on the my iPad...
Try it after a fresh reboot.
I have minimal to no lag switching panels, and all are full with Sense widgets or app shortcuts.
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It just seems hard to spend $580+tax for a 7" tablet, when you can get a ipad 2 for $500.
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The prices in Europe are even worse... The 32GB Wi-Fi + 3G is 650 euros (~$900), the 16GB Wi-Fi only is only available for pre-order and it's 500 euro (~$650)
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The prices in Europe are even worse... The 32GB Wi-Fi + 3G is 650 euros (~$900), the 16GB Wi-Fi only is only available for pre-order and it's 500 euro (~$650)
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Interesting. So the folks in the US may be getting the better deal even with the pen sold separately. We can only get the 16 gb wifi version...
I like that the pen is excluded. it gives people the option to spend the money or not.
I would rather have the pen bundled. Otherwise its just another tablet... An overpriced one at that.
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I would rather have the pen bundled. Otherwise its just another tablet... An overpriced one at that.
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How do you figure? What Tablet is less than $499. The Galaxy tab was more expensive, The playbook same price non upgradeable memory, Ipad same not up upgradeable, xoom wifi $99 more expensive and crap, LG slate expensive.
Its made of aluminum, best display, functions with a stylus, etc. If you want a cheap tablet get one this is as high end and functional as it gets.
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How do you figure? What Tablet is less than $499. The Galaxy tab was more expensive, The playbook same price non upgradeable memory, Ipad same not up upgradeable, xoom wifi $99 more expensive and crap, LG slate expensive.
Its made of aluminum, best display, functions with a stylus, etc. If you want a cheap tablet get one this is as high end and functional as it gets.
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There are a lot of options if you just want a Android tablet. The Galaxy Tab, Asus Transformer, Dell Streak and even Huawei Ideos are equal or less than the Flyer without the pen. A lot coming soon also like the Acers.
If I hadn't seen the pen integration accuracy, I would have never considered this device. The tablet in my opinion is perfect tool to go digital in the workplace. Using a stylus with my iPad is inaccurate, clumsy and the keyboard slow. The pen integration takes this device to another level and possibly into the boardroom, which is why I own one today... And love the form-factor, build quality and most of all the pen experience.
The future of this device is yet to be seen. Will other apps support the pen? Or are we dependent upon HTC development? In the next few weeks, I'll be evaluating my satisfaction with the current pen implementation because this may be as good as it gets for this device.
Not hating... Just being realistic.
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There are a lot of options if you just want a Android tablet. The Galaxy Tab, Asus Transformer, Dell Streak and even Huawei Ideos are equal or less than the Flyer without the pen. A lot coming soon also like the Acers.
If I hadn't seen the pen integration accuracy, I would have never considered this device. The tablet in my opinion is perfect tool to go digital in the workplace. Using a stylus with my iPad is inaccurate, clumsy and the keyboard slow. The pen integration takes this device to another level and possibly into the boardroom, which is why I own one today... And love the form-factor, build quality and most of all the pen experience.
The future of this device is yet to be seen. Will other apps support the pen? Or are we dependent upon HTC development? In the next few weeks, I'll be evaluating my satisfaction with the current pen implementation because this may be as good as it gets for this device.
Not hating... Just being realistic.
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I owned a streak 7 and would never put it in the same category. Just because the battery only lasts 3 hours.
stepchild said:
Thanks for the write up. it was very informative.
I'm having the same issue as you did. It just seems hard to spend $580+tax for a 7" tablet, when you can get a ipad 2 for $500.
I do like Android better, but bang for buck...tough choice.
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In Singapore the HTC Flyer price is very reasonable. You can get one for S$ 899 including the pen and a leather case for the 32GB + 3G version. Compare to the same version of Ipad 2 which will cost S$989.
To me the difference is that the flyer is extremely portable, the os is for a phone but then again so is ios. It is stable has a great ui and is worth $499.00
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Lets hope so. I really like the prime "formfactor" and would like tablets/laptop/ultrabooks to keep using a separate dock so competition gives more chance for that to happen.
Yes!!!! Please!!!
Umm if all it takes to be a copycat is to have a tablet with removeable keyboard then the prime and original transformer are the copycats not microsoft tablets. There were microsoft tablets that had that functionality years ago; albeit they kind of sucked, but they were out there.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/lenovo-ideapad-u1-hybrid-laptop-by-day-unhinged-tablet-by-nigh/
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Umm if all it takes to be a copycat is to have a tablet with removeable keyboard then the prime and original transformer are the copycats not microsoft tablets. There were microsoft tablets that had that functionality years ago; albeit they kind of sucked, but they were out there.
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Yes, indeed, and actually I disagree that Windows Tablet PCs sucked (or suck). They were (and remain) EXCELLENT for anyone who needs to gather information in the field, take copious notes (e.g., students, salespeople, etc.), and who can benefit from having full Windows apps (e.g., Office 2010) in a highly mobile form factor with alternative means to enter information.
In fact, I think Apple's biggest (and worst) feat was to convince people that active digitizers and pens are a bad thing--they're not, and no capacitive touchscreen can provide anything near the accuracy and precision. Microsoft should be sent to the lowest rung of business hell for how poorly they marketed the Tablet PC platform. I used Tablet PCs for six years as a sales engineer for Ricoh, and you'd have had to pry the things out of my cold, dead hands before I would have given them up.
Modern tablets are good for consumption and very light productivity. But if I were still in a sales position where I took lots of notes, I'd be using a Tablet PC today. And even though I'm not, I'd still kill for a Transformer running Windows 8 with full Office and an active digitizer/pen. That would be heaven.
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I'm just wondering whether or not in the future, ASUS will give us the option of Android or Windows 8.
I'd consider a Windows 8 device like this easily, as long as it's good enough, but without something like getting cygwin (groan) up and running and sticking an Xeon in the back pocket to run that fast enough, I can't really fathom it being as good for my needs as Android -- where I can use the best of Linux and Android to fulfill my needs.
For many power users, a Windows 8+ transformer would probably be the best thing.
I'm still wondering when a future iteration of laptops will make a touch screen manatory and the touchpad like PS/2 ports used to be...hehe.
You can bet that Windows 8, as much as the metro interface blows, will be a seed of change for the future of tablet computing. The main reason is the application support it will gain. Combine that with tablets that have true digitizers and you're looking at the future.
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Umm if all it takes to be a copycat is to have a tablet with removeable keyboard then the prime and original transformer are the copycats not microsoft tablets. There were microsoft tablets that had that functionality years ago; albeit they kind of sucked, but they were out there.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/lenovo-ideapad-u1-hybrid-laptop-by-day-unhinged-tablet-by-nigh/
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Picture is an HP tablet .. not microsoft, it was just running a version of XP with touchscreen functions
AFAIK microsoft never made a tablet themselfs.
I know what you mean though, asus aint the first to come up with a tablet design with keyboard dock...
MS never had a decent operating system for touch screen devices untill perhaps windows 8 ??
Who knows.
Those HP tablets didn't have true touch screen capabilities only the use of a Pen (Stylus) what had a battery inside it what would die after a month or two.
They were quite good I used to use one in school as I was slow at writing and keeping up. Every teacher had one and they were quite reliable. They were pretty much just a laptop with a navigation pen (no where near as good as any modern day touchphone or tablet
There's a fallacy here the Apple created and everyone now seems to follow: that a capacitive touch screen is necessarily better for all mobile devices. Sure, it doesn't require a stylus, but it's also very inaccurate and imprecise. Modern mobile OSs are simply designed around their limitations (e.g., large buttons).
Recent Windows Tablet PCs that use active digitizers and pens (most of which do NOT require batteries) offer excellent precision and accuracy, pressure sensitivity, etc. My four-year-old Dell Latitude XT also has a capacitive layer for touch (support 2-finger multitouch), for what it's worth. And, Windows 7 is excellent with such a stylus, offering a responsive screen, tablet-specific shortcuts (e.g., multi-selecting files in Windows Explorer), etc.
I'd say that a Windows 7 Tablet PC with a modern digitizer could easily make for a great experience with just a few improvements, and is a very good experience today. No, it's not optimized for touch, but then again there's far more precision and control with the current stylus-based metaphor. The problem is, Steve Jobs convinced everyone that needing a stylus is a bad thing, and so now we have over-simplified touch-based interfaces that, while seeming more elegant (I mean, we just TOUCH our screens with our FINGERS and they respond!) are actually quite limited functionally.
Now, I see the advantage of touch screens on smartphones. They're too small to make even a good active digitizer and pen functional. And I think those make good use of touch-optimized user interfaces. But tablets are a different story. As I said earlier, Microsoft should be shot for neglecting this form factor for so long--they had a freaking goldmine on their hands, and blew it.
>The problem is, Steve Jobs convinced everyone that needing a stylus is a bad thing
Quit the inane blame game. MS' Tablet PC & convertibles were around long before the iPad. They failed because of MS' mistakes, not because Jobs "dupes" users. I note you didn't mention how much that Latitude XT cost, or its battery life, or how heavy it was. Or, more to point, how useful it was to the normal user who just want to browse the web, do light wordprocessing, and watch movies (no social back in those days).
Here's a refresher (for the system reviewed below): $3640, 3.12 lbs, 3-4 hrs use.
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4323
Resistive touch tech has its strong points. Its weak point is that you need a pointed stick, and fingers (which aren't pointed) are more convenient to use. As you yourself pointed out, having capacitive touch doesn't exclude more precise input methods, eg HTC Flyer and Thinkpad Tablet. That those differentiations didn't take was because there is no mainstream demand for precise input on mobile devices. All mobile OS UIs, including Win8's Metro, are designed for fingers.
BTW, for those who can't be bothered to read the article, the patent is applied not for the detachable screen, but for the dedicated SoC in the dock. So, you'd get high performance in dock mode, and battery-conserving mode when undocked.
It's not a very practical idea, since you'd incur the cost of the additional SoC and supporting components--effectively doubling the component cost. It'd be good for a premium device w/o worry for price competition. But that's not today's market. Win8 will have its work cut out to compete against the iPad price-wise.
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>The problem is, Steve Jobs convinced everyone that needing a stylus is a bad thing
Quit the inane blame game. MS' Tablet PC & convertibles were around long before the iPad. They failed because of MS' mistakes, not because Jobs "dupes" users. I note you didn't mention how much that Latitude XT cost, or its battery life, or how heavy it was. Or, more to point, how useful it was to the normal user who just want to browse the web, do light wordprocessing, and watch movies (no social back in those days).
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I believe I did blame Microsoft, quite strongly. And yes, back then component costs were higher, including ultra-low voltage Intel X86 processors and small form-factor notebooks in general. Also, you picked a very expensive example (I paid quite a bit less for my Latitude XT). Today, Tablet PCs can be had for under $1000.
Also, note that the HTC and Lenovo tablets with pens don't use standard capacitive screens for the pen input. They use active digitizers from N-trig, which are far more precise than the typical capacitive stylus.
My point about Jobs's role in the whole thing is how he argued against the stylus in a very disingenuous attack on Tablet PCs of the time, and just as important how nobody called him on it. But that's a different debate.
I'd be happy to have a device with the productivity of Windows 7 tablets and active digitizer/pens (full Office apps, an excellent notetaking app like OneNote, etc.), with the same battery life advantages and, yes, simpler user interface of iOS and ICS tablets for casual use. Perhaps Win 8 will offer that combination. I wonder, though, because I don't believe there's a low-power processor out yet that can handle the kind of background handwriting recognition that Window 7 Tablet PCs can handle.
And note that Tablet PCs were just fine for the things you things you mention--Web browsing, light word processing, watching movies--as today's tablets. They weren't as light, and they didn't offer the battery life. But that's because the technology wasn't there yet. And in fact, in terms of running X86 apps (i.e., more than today's exceedingly simple mobile apps), we're only this year getting the Intel chipsets to make it possible. I'm still unclear on whether the ARM version of Win 8 will run X86 apps, but I'm pretty sure it won't.
My point was that Tablet PCs were incredibly productive devices, far more so than any modern tablet made today. And I stick by that assertion 100%.
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Calling asus copycats is ridiculous. There were keyboards for tablets before - yes. But none anywhere near as intuitive & featured as the tf101. Look at the motion le1700 for a perfect example of keyboard tablet fails. Ipad has tried. HP has tried. No one has come close to making a tablet with a keyboard as well as asus.
it really is lame when people lose credit for properly implementing good ideas.
windows 8 looks more and more disappointing.
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Calling asus copycats is ridiculous. There were keyboards for tablets before - yes. But none anywhere near as intuitive & featured as the tf101. Look at the motion le1700 for a perfect example of keyboard tablet fails. Ipad has tried. HP has tried. No one has come close to making a tablet with a keyboard as well as asus.
it really is lame when people lose credit for properly implementing good ideas.
windows 8 looks more and more disappointing.
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I agree with you about the Transformer, it's a great implementation. Saying Windows 8 looks disappointing seems like a non sequitor here, though.
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I agree with you about the Transformer, it's a great implementation. Saying Windows 8 looks disappointing seems like a non sequitor here, though.
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Microsoft is missing the entire point of the tablet. No one wants half a device, especially when the preformance cut is coming from the half of device you use. The power needs to be in the tablet itself, not the dock. All the tablet optimized gaming will be terrible if you need the keyboard attached to unlock the true potential.
The article makes it seem like the transformer is at a loss because it doesn't give you more preformance when you dock. The point of the dock isn't preformance, it's battery life and word processing with more expansion slots! You don't need more power forword processing or pulling files off a usb drive lol.
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Microsoft is missing the entire point of the tablet. No one wants half a device, especially when the preformance cut is coming from the half of device you use. The power needs to be in the tablet itself, not the dock. All the tablet optimized gaming will be terrible if you need the keyboard attached to unlock the true potential.
The article makes it seem like the transformer is at a loss because it doesn't give you more preformance when you dock. The point of the dock isn't preformance, it's battery life and word processing with more expansion slots! You don't need more power forword processing or pulling files off a usb drive lol.
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I see. Well, this is just one patent that Microsoft may or may not be planning to make (far more patents are written than are actually made into real products). It really has nothing to do with Windows 8, which I guarantee will be on all kinds of different form factors before it's all done.
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Calling asus copycats is ridiculous. There were keyboards for tablets before - yes. But none anywhere near as intuitive & featured as the tf101. Look at the motion le1700 for a perfect example of keyboard tablet fails. Ipad has tried. HP has tried. No one has come close to making a tablet with a keyboard as well as asus.
it really is lame when people lose credit for properly implementing good ideas.
windows 8 looks more and more disappointing.
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And calling a microsoft tablet that has a keyboard dock a transformer prime copycat might even be more ridiculous. If you'd actually read the remark "calling asus [a] copycat" correctly you'd see I hadn't actually called Asus copycats:
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Umm if all it takes to be a copycat is to have a tablet with removeable keyboard then the prime and original transformer are the copycats not microsoft tablets.
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I don't believe Asus was a copycat, but if you're ONLY taking into account the tablet with detachable keyboard form factor, then yes they copied an idea someone else had come up with before them.
I think Asus definitely has done a great job implementing this good idea, and they deserve a ton of credit for that. But don't give them credit for coming up with the original idea and taking that credit away from the people that did.
And as pointed out, the new idea for this Microsoft tablet patent is to have 2 separate SoCs (we'll see if it's a good one or not once it's out, my guess is not). Which the prime doesn't do.
Windows 8 could be the greatest thing to come to tablets, mobile computing and the "post-PC world", the ultimate merging of a unified OS across all your computers, the death knell to Apple or the opposite, the last desperate failure of Microsoft in the mobile world and dawn of Apple domination across all devices; or more likely just another decent option in the computing world where we get to choose which one suits our own personal style the most.
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I think Asus definitely has done a great job implementing this good idea, and they deserve a ton of credit for that. But don't give them credit for coming up with the original idea and taking that credit away from the people that did.
And as pointed out, the new idea for this Microsoft tablet patent is to have 2 separate SoCs (we'll see if it's a good one or not once it's out, my guess is not). Which the prime doesn't do.
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Agreed. Far more is made about this whole being first thing. Apple wasn't the first with the smartphone (although they did some things to make it better, while in my opinion obliterating some of what was good about previous versions), ASUS isn't the first to make a keyboard dock/tablet combo (and I don't think HP was first with theirs, either), etc. Innovation doesn't mean just coming up with something uniquely original--sometimes it means taking a good idea and making it better (or just different).
Even THIS idea isn't new. Lenovo had a notebook/tablet hybrid they intro'd at CES in 2012, the IdeaPad U1. It was a full-fledged Windows notebook in the base, and the "screen" was a detachable tablet with an ARM SoC. They never made it as an actual commercial product, I don't think.
I actually doubt that this Microsoft patent will ever see a shipping product. As I mentioned, far more ideas are patented than are actually made into real products. It's possible, but somehow I doubt it.
As you can see from my signature, buying tablet is almost my hobby now... Though I generally liked transformer Infinity, it still was not quite perfect system for me. After seeing Nexus 10, Windows 8 tablets, I have decided to place myself one more time back into the market. I generally follow these extensively. So for those who are thinking about Nexus 10, I just like to give some information I have found so far about couple potential alternatives (at least I came across).
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Windows Surface Pro
Briefly about this. If the specification is as currently listed on the web, I am not so sure about if its worth the wait. Sure I like full HD screen but price will still likely be high. But there are rumors that Microsoft may be holding its release until early next year to secretly incorporate next iteration of Intel chip (Haswell), which will give extended battery life, even better GPU performance than 4000.
Series 7 Slate (2011 model)
So why I included Samsung Slate 7 here rather than Ativ Smart Pro. One major reason is that slate 7 was released almost a year ago, but if you look at its specification aside from not having high resolution screen, and an older generation Intel SandyBridge chip, it is fairly similar to other Windows 8 tablet currently/soon to be released on the market. In fact, despite older i5 I believe it is still faster than the newest Atom processor that most lower end Windows 8 tablet uses. So if you can give up the high resolution, (which is probably hard thing to do) this suddenly becomes attractive option on spec wise.
Then you ask, but the price is 2x that of Nexus 10 32GB. It is correct (sort of) and I don't think its worth that much now; however, since Samsung is releasing newer model of series 7 i.e. Ativ Smart Pro, I am guessing Slate 7 will see a significant drop in price, and perhaps we may see on black Friday sale. In fact, refurbished one already sells at $850 at tigerdirect: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicat...kwCjCV1-CjCE&gclid=COn6mo-Iy7MCFe5FMgodNwEAvQ
The other may ask but its originally came with Windows 7, so does it really work well with Windows 8? The answer is that actually very similar model was used for Windows 8 development i.e. supposedly this was used as Windows 8 build unit. So my guess is it should and several reviews confirmed such. http://www.samsung.com/global/windo...Series_7_Slate_Windows_8_Consumer_Preview.pdf
Now if you can find a deal, I think Slate 7 with Windows 8 installed have several benefits.
1. Wacom Digitizer support - Those coming from Galaxy Note 10.1, we know captive screen with touch mimicking stylus won't just do the job.
2. Windows Legacy application support - No need to wait until office released next summer for Android. You can download preview version of office 2013 for free. And of course more real windows application. Someone even reported it worked with Skyrim, though I wouldn't bet on that.
3. Keyboard Dock - Unfortunately unlike Ativ Smart series, there is no clamshell dock (as in transformer series) but it has docking station, and just as in Nexus 10, there will be bluetooth keyboard support. So you can easily set up home/office desktop setting.
4. MicroSD - Yes
Downside still exists
1. Weight - Relatively heavy.
2. Battery life - Reported max is 7 hours by samsung, which means probably 5-6 hours.
3. Again no high resolution.
Exynos 5 vs. Sandy Bridge
Though Sunspider is by no means standard or great way to assess the actual power, but according to couple sites Nexus 10 has Sunspider score of 900's; whereas, Series 7 Slate had 500's. http://sortable.com/tablets/Samsung-Series-7-11.6-Slate-vs-Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-10.1
*Though Chrome book using the same Exynos chip also had down to 500 or 600's, so may simply be the current implementation of Android OS, or Samsung's optimization.
Now writing all this, I myself is still debating whether to grab Nexus 10. If it had microSD, docking keyboard, and Inductive stylus support would have been golden... but for now particularly lack of expandable memory holds me back (just as many of you are concerned).
So just throwing another potential here for those of you still on the fence as I am sure many of you haven't thought about Slate 7 (an year old system) as potential.
If I had a choice I'd rather leave the Windows bloat and high maintenance behind that's why I bought Note 10.1 and reach for it before my Windows ultraportable laptop desktop. Also, glad to leave the bloated Office and, instead, use Google Docs which is perfectly adequate along with having group collaboration feature. Looking forward to buying the Nexus 10.
Much like OP, I am considering what will be my next tablet.
To start off, no iAnything for me, thank you.
I've used, for years, a Toshiba M200 - mostly Windows Journal and some Note. Simply the best note taking experience, due to the Wacom pen. Bar none. All of the Windows apps - office etc.
On Android front - bought the N1 minutes into the press conference. Loved it. Upgraded to Samsung SII- love this one too. Plenty of phone and media device for me.
Also have TF101s with a dock.
In as much as one'd hope for ultimate tablet to be available in 2012, it simply doesnt exist !
An ideal tablet, IMO, would be something like TF700 - dock, microSD, performance, nice 1080p res, combined with Wacom and x-platform note taking (MS releasing fully functioning Note for Android). We already have decent Office suite for Android.
So in last 2 years: 1 N1, 2 SIIs (me & wifes), 2 TF101 (ditto) + dock. Just under 2K in U$. Countless custom ROMs across.
Here's where stuff falls short, IMO:
- TF700 - horrendous internal flash performance == DOA for me. No Wacom. Asus should fire the sorry @ss responsible for that repeated flash fiasco.
- Surface RT - no apps to speak of, numerous reports of crashing apps. This one, however, holds great promise when Android port becomes available. Months and months away.
- Surface Pro - and/or Slate 500/700: too late to the game. I feel that an Android tablet fits 96% of my needs. No apps I am so used to on Android: Mantano Reader for epub/pdf, gmail, gmaps, Touchdown exchange client, youtube etc etc. Disaster of Windows 8 UI experince
(notification bar, where art thou ?) When I need full power of Windows 7, I have a acres of real estate with 3 monitor setup on 4.8GHz desktop with LGA2011 and 32GB of RAM.
- N10: full of compromises. Commitment unknown. It seems that all N devices are results of google putting a blow torch to a vendor, resulting in said vendor abandoning the said device the day after it launches. No dock, no microSD (Rubin should stop insulting us with his reasoning for why google dislikes the micrSD), no Wacom, botched charging.
Here's a sad part: 99% of the people in the market for a holiday must-have tablet gizmo, dont care about any of this. They will buy Surface Pro and N10 and iPads etc, by millions and live with the shortcomings, most likely never even noticing them. Ignorance is a bliss.
Those of us that are waiting for the tablet-dun-right, the wait goes on
rashid11 said:
Much like OP, I am considering what will be my next tablet.
To start off, no iAnything for me, thank you.
I've used, for years, a Toshiba M200 - mostly Windows Journal and some Note. Simply the best note taking experience, due to the Wacom pen. Bar none. All of the Windows apps - office etc.
- TF700 - horrendous internal flash performance == DOA for me. No Wacom. Asus should fire the sorry @ss responsible for that repeated flash fiasco.
- Surface RT - no apps to speak of, numerous reports of crashing apps. This one, however, holds great promise when Android port becomes available. Months and months away.
- Surface Pro - and/or Slate 500/700: too late to the game. I feel that an Android tablet fits 96% of my needs. No apps I am so used to on Android: Mantano Reader for epub/pdf, gmail, gmaps, Touchdown exchange client, youtube etc etc. Disaster of Windows 8 UI experince
(notification bar, where art thou ?) When I need full power of Windows 7, I have a acres of real estate with 3 monitor setup on 4.8GHz desktop with LGA2011 and 32GB of RAM.
- N10: full of compromises. Commitment unknown. It seems that all N devices are results of google putting a blow torch to a vendor, resulting in said vendor abandoning the said device the day after it launches. No dock, no microSD (Rubin should stop insulting us with his reasoning for why google dislikes the micrSD), no Wacom, botched charging.
Here's a sad part: 99% of the people in the market for a holiday must-have tablet gizmo, dont care about any of this. They will buy Surface Pro and N10 and iPads etc, by millions and live with the shortcomings, most likely never even noticing them. Ignorance is a bliss.
Those of us that are waiting for the tablet-dun-right, the wait goes on
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Interesting. We seem to agree what our ideal tablet is but conclusion/hope are different. By the way I though hard when I got my HP tablet, which was around the time when Toshiba had just released the M200. Here are my hopes.
Surface Pro, Ativ Smart Pro - Have Wacom, full HD screen, speed, expandable memory, and keyboard dock. Lacking feature here is battery life, and weight and expansive.
Nexus 10 - Has stunning display, speed, good battery life, and weight. Lacking feature are Wacom, expandable memory, and keyboard dock.
Transformer Infinity - Has full HD screen, expandable memory, keyboard dock, good battery life and weight. Lacking feature were speed (was very fast, but can be faster).
Personally Surface RT is no go. Because it is just too restrictive but if RT market explode and matches that of Android maybe. Believe or not, somewhere I remember reading WIndows store has dedicated tablet app of 5000 or so whereas, Android market may not even have that number.. Who knows if its true or not.
I keep on hearing many reviewers calling the USB cover annoying and inconvenient. First of all its brilliant, because it's better have one than to not because long term it brings benefits. It also means that the design doesn't cut any corners interms of how a mobile phone should be. I realised this when I noticed that all good phones before iPhone all had these flaps even samsung. But when everything went touchscreen they stopped the flaps, if iPhone or samsung make flaps on thier phones its a brilliant idea, nobody will complain like they didn't when it was a standard to have a flap but when HTC does it or Sony because It's different everyone bashes the idea.
I can remember when all TVs where made out of metal and remotes, now everything is plastic meaning hardware no longer has a quality feel to it. The only tv manufacturers that still use metal are B&O. I know that having a flap is flimsy but compromises have to be made for quality like a Rolex or something prestigious they will look nice but will always be heavy. All I'm trying to say is theirs no need to hate something that was saw as a standard and I'm more than happy to have it because other flagship phones don't which gives it a design advantage, it looks neater and it means more effort has been placed in this handset.
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In my opinion the biggest benefit of the USB cover is waterproofing. Wireless charging and Airdroid cover me for the rest of what the USB cord would be used for.
From the Engadget review, they stated that the USB cover was added to help make the phone splash resistant like the Butterfly, if that's the case then this is awesome. The only issues are that it's going to be harder and more expensive for car docks.
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From the Engadget review, they stated that the USB cover was added to help make the phone splash resistant like the Butterfly, if that's the case then this is awesome. The only issues are that it's going to be harder and more expensive for car docks.
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Motorola's Atrix HD and new Razr line are all splash resistant but they dont have covers
the reason everyone hates on the cover is because it's an extra step needed when connecting a USB, but at the same time because of the wireless charging, you're going to be using the USB port a lot less, thus it's better to have it covered so it wont collect a bunch of dust inside from having it exposed, and at the same time it's not going to be an inconvenience too often to take the cover off when you do need it.
it is a slight pain to have to remove, which is partly why i picked up a charging pad for the office and will soon be picking one up for home. i do like the idea that it is covered though since i do carry my phone in my pocket and its like a lint factory in there.
i am curious to see how an otterbox or other rugged case looks since those usually cover the ports anyway
Nice to hear that you are all adopting the idea of wireless charging, I like the idea but I have a feeling apple will make one and it will charge quicker and look better. I could only imagine the ads for the iPhone 5S bragging about wireless charging as if they invented it and they probably try to patent it.
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Nice to hear that you are all adopting the idea of wireless charging, I like the idea but I have a feeling apple will make one and it will charge quicker and look better. I could only imagine the ads for the iPhone 5S bragging about wireless charging as if they invented it and they probably try to patent it.
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Well apple clearly mentioned they dont like the idea of wireless charging coz you still need to plug a wire in the wireless charger. That said they also didnt like the idea of 7 inch tablet.
I personally like the idea of wireless charging especially with starbucks already providing wireless charging on there tables.
"Well apple clearly mentioned they dont like the idea of wireless charging coz you still need to plug a wire in the wireless charger."
If apple said this ... they should be ashamed because that is wildly poor reasoning ... there is much less effort on the users behalf and a greatly improved experience when you just have to lay your phone down to charge it... that being said I'm sure ape said that because poor reasoning skills are their signature ..
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As soon as I open the box, I'm ripping the thing off. Stupid cover!
Super Awesome USB mod.
I tied a piece of floss to the cover and then tied the floss to a micro usb reader... It is really easy to open now. I always have my micro SD card with me, just waiting for my OTG cable and my setup is complete.
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There are 256 shades of black and white.
It's actually gotten easier for me to open and close. It took some effort for a few days but now I can do it without really struggling. I find it's much easier to put in the non-attached end first.
The only issue I have with it is desk docks or stands won't be as easy to use with the flap in the way. Granted wireless charging would help, but I'm still not particularly sold on it yet.
After trying to live with it for a few days, I'm going to cut my cover off.
Water doesnt scare me!
I think it's something people will get used to after a few times it will feel normal to me it looks more premium but using it probably is fiddly.
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I actually like it.
It cleans the lines up to not see the ugly port.
I don't mind removing it, yes its a tiny bit of a pain, but I think the positives outweigh the negative
mjneubrander said:
Super Awesome USB mod.
I tied a piece of floss to the cover and then tied the floss to a micro usb reader... It is really easy to open now. I always have my micro SD card with me, just waiting for my OTG cable and my setup is complete.
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There are 256 shades of black and white.
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What is on the screen of your phone? Lol
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Mine just ripped off. I still keep it on because I like not having to see a big hole when looking around my phone. I'm going to super glue it back from where it ripped off.
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Holy crap some of you people are so lazy. I could see maybe the flap being a bit annoying, even if you get used to it and it's really not that bad afterwards, but some of you think even having to connect a cable is some huge effort? It's not even a consideration for me that connecting a cable is any real effort at all, and I can't really understand how it could be considered that.
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Holy crap some of you people are so lazy. I could see maybe the flap being a bit annoying, even if you get used to it and it's really not that bad afterwards, but some of you think even having to connect a cable is some huge effort? It's not even a consideration for me that connecting a cable is any real effort at all, and I can't really understand how it could be considered that.
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How did you relate annoying with lazy?
It is a typical annoying HTC move. People wonder why HTC is losing money every year, it is because of crap like this. Sure, it may not seem like big deal but all the little details add up. There are a ton of problems they seem to ignore and now they just added another one.
Flush buttons.
Power button on top of tall or huge phones
USB port on the side of the One X
Dumbest multitasking set up ever
Horrible carousel when scrolling through wallpapers and skins.
USB port flap.
Etc.
The reason the flap is annoying is because that flap will wear out faster that the rest of your phone unless you strictly use wireless charging. Every other high end phone you can keep it mint way easier without a flap you have to open every night or even more with the crap battery.
Here is a pic of the last phone I owned with a cover like that. Over two years of service and beat to hell and back. I'm not to worried about durability. Of it does wear out it looks like it can be pulled out with pliers. Kinda like those plastic things they put in shirts with the price tags on it.
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On a side note I hope they fix this much touted camera. It took me 15 tries to get this pic even this good. I'm not going to have time to bumble around with settings at the spur of the moment.
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I am going to get a nexus 6 and 9 and I am looking for a good big dual USB portable battery charger. Anyone who could recommend me one?
Thanks!
there is HUGE market for these. alot of the high capacity ones are a scam however. it depends on what size you are looking for but this one i believe is pretty much considered the best in a capacity/value/reliability standpoint. I own one myself and it has a huge amount of power.. but its heavier then you will expect lol. it also dropped like $16 since i bought it. but i would reccomend looking around online for a few days and read reviews before you buy one.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FDK2G2C?ie=UTF8&psc=1&tag=webtoolandtec-20
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Anker has proven to be a damn good brand for portable chargers. As someone with a Nexus 4 it becomes a requirement when doing things such as playing Ingress or using Google Maps.
Not saying the Nexus 6 will be plagued with the same battery issues (in fact this seems to be the first time we saw a proper battery for a Nexus device, plus with 5.0/Volta we might be seeing more stability in battery life) but in any case I have had no issues with my chargers from Anker.
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there is HUGE market for these. alot of the high capacity ones are a scam however. it depends on what size you are looking for but this one i believe is pretty much considered the best in a capacity/value/reliability standpoint. I own one myself and it has a huge amount of power.. but its heavier then you will expect lol. it also dropped like $16 since i bought it. but i would reccomend looking around online for a few days and read reviews before you buy one.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FDK2G2C?ie=UTF8&psc=1&tag=webtoolandtec-20
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This site does pretty good real world analysis of stuff like that. Here's their review of USB backup batteries...
http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-usb-battery-pack-travel/
I usually do my own research then check in to see what their take is on certain items and the things that make my short list usually end up in their short list too. If their arguement is convincing for their top pick i usually go along with that.
With that said, I'm ordering the recommended battery.
Thank you all for your answers!
I asked the same question on reddit. Seems like the most people recommending a Anker one. So I think I will get me one of those
Anker has great batteries. I still have my 9000mah battery from over a year ago. It's still running strong which is great.
Pilz said:
Anker has great batteries. I still have my 9000mah battery from over a year ago. It's still running strong which is great.
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Great to hear! Thanks
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Great to hear! Thanks
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I'm actually in the process of flying to California and I'm stuck due to delays so the battery is really coming in handy.
Pilz said:
I'm actually in the process of flying to California and I'm stuck due to delays so the battery is really coming in handy.
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Sorry and great to hear! Haha I hope you don't need to wait for to long!
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Sorry and great to hear! Haha I hope you don't need to wait for to long!
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I don't mind I've just been playing games on the G3 because I have a 9000mah backup to charge it
I love this one. It's slim, not too heavy and charges at a good rate.
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I just bought this one:
Anker 2nd Gen Astro Pro2 20000mAh Quad-Port External Battery with PowerIQ™ Technology
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I just bought this one:
Anker 2nd Gen Astro Pro2 20000mAh Quad-Port External Battery with PowerIQ™ Technology
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That is one of their best ones! I hope to get my hands on one of those models soon for myself, enjoy!
Don't hate....
if you cats dont need a fancy cover, fancy lights and a fancy name (anker), check this one out:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/30102282868...49&var=600171040113&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
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50 000 mah's it says. I am not sure if its that high under a load but the packs can go for a long time betwixt charges.
that said, i have three of these. I have 4 dashcams in my SUV and two of them run off these battery packs. i can go 2 days 24/7 recording using a DOME G90 A70 (ambarella A7 chip -- used in the gopro hero 3).
less than 20 bucks.
same cells Anker uses. the distributor i purchased from is in LA so super fast shipping. these same packs are on amazon under different names.
please dont get caught up in brand names. these packs i have had for several months and they are/have been solid performers. they don't mind a little LA heat either.
just another option. my real world experience with these for several months using dahcams, plus my one max, gopro (it can charge the gopro) and moto xoom, tells me this pack will go well with the nex 6 and 9.
i keep one of these (50 000 mah) in my gopro pelican case kit at ALL times.
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That is one of their best ones! I hope to get my hands on one of those models soon for myself, enjoy!
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Awesome! Looking forward to test it
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if you cats dont need a fancy cover, fancy lights and a fancy name (anker), check this one out:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/30102282868...49&var=600171040113&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
50 000 mah's it says. I am not sure if its that high under a load but the packs can go for a long time betwixt charges.
that said, i have three of these. I have 4 dashcams in my SUV and two of them run off these battery packs. i can go 2 days 24/7 recording using a DOME G90 A70 (ambarella A7 chip -- used in the gopro hero 3).
less than 20 bucks.
same cells Anker uses. the distributor i purchased from is in LA so super fast shipping. these same packs are on amazon under different names.
please dont get caught up in brand names. these packs i have had for several months and they are/have been solid performers. they don't mind a little LA heat either.
just another option. my real world experience with these for several months using dahcams, plus my one max, gopro (it can charge the gopro) and moto xoom, tells me this pack will go well with the nex 6 and 9.
i keep one of these (50 000 mah) in my gopro pelican case kit at ALL times.
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i have one of these suckers, mine claimed 30000mah lol. I feel that is more around the amount, i can get around 2 fills of my note 3 battery while the phone is on. It has lasted for almost 1.5 years which is awesome
You won't be disappointed with Anker. I own 10000 mAH second gen for almost 2 years. It is still very strong and deliver as promised.
marctronixx said:
if you cats dont need a fancy cover, fancy lights and a fancy name (anker), check this one out:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/30102282868...49&var=600171040113&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
50 000 mah's it says. I am not sure if its that high under a load but the packs can go for a long time betwixt charges.
that said, i have three of these. I have 4 dashcams in my SUV and two of them run off these battery packs. i can go 2 days 24/7 recording using a DOME G90 A70 (ambarella A7 chip -- used in the gopro hero 3).
less than 20 bucks.
same cells Anker uses. the distributor i purchased from is in LA so super fast shipping. these same packs are on amazon under different names.
please dont get caught up in brand names. these packs i have had for several months and they are/have been solid performers. they don't mind a little LA heat either.
just another option. my real world experience with these for several months using dahcams, plus my one max, gopro (it can charge the gopro) and moto xoom, tells me this pack will go well with the nex 6 and 9.
i keep one of these (50 000 mah) in my gopro pelican case kit at ALL times.
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Just bought a 12k one from him. I can't imagine carrying the 50k one in my jacket pocket lol.
Flux Portable battery charger
The tech market is flooding with a variety of portable chargers each which varies with its size, design, battery capacities, and more such things. I owe a flux portable charger and I also suggest you should go for it as it will enable you to charge not only your Nexus 6 or 9 but also your other smart gadgets.
Anker is a good name for Accessories maker. Considering a quality and performance, Anker is reasonable in price. I've recently bought a 20,000 mAh Anker power bank from Amazon, and I used it a lot and loved it.