I apologize in advance for lack of info for my claim:
I have a good friend in the QA dept of the HP Touchpad. I gave me two Touchpads and a bunch of info on the device that was not supposed to be known.
He told me, this touchpad is ONLY running ONE core. He said in the future they were going to do an OS update and enable BOTH cores. He gave m this info once it was confirmed that the PC dept of HP will no longer exist for end-users.
Can anyone confirm and possibly get the second core to function?
Another thing, turns out the guy that has been on websites that claims he has the Froyo version for the HP Tablets working and running made people at HP laugh because my QA friends say he currently has the Gingerbread version working fully on the HP Tablet internally. It should be released soon says friend at HP.
Also my version of HP Tablet OS is 3.0.3 which no one has. I know very little about scripting or pulling ROMS or data from devices but if you want the code from my version, let me know how I can help. I would like to get both Qualcom cores running to see actual performance.
EDIT:
I just read that someone was able to get the second core to work on 3.0.2 using an overclock method but no one has heard of 3.0.3 to modify the kernel for dual-core support
As a Rep for HP, I have to tell you that pretty much EVERYTHING that person told you is a lie. on stock 3.x WebOS go download Govnah and look, both cores are running, and if one core ever turns back off, thats because its not needed and will kick back on when it is polled. as for this "He gave m this info once it was confirmed that the PC dept of HP will no longer exist for end-users." that makes no sense as there has been no confirmation of any such thing, if you look at the press release or even CALL hp and ask them for press information, they will tell you that NO decisions will be made WHATSOEVER for atleast 12-18 months. And even then it could just be buisness as usual and nothing changes.
This next one made me laugh
"Another thing, turns out the guy that has been on websites that claims he has the Froyo version for the HP Tablets working and running made people at HP laugh because my QA friends say he currently has the Gingerbread version working fully on the HP Tablet internally. It should be released soon says friend at HP."
HP never released plans for a tablet that would run android (although the build.prop in the current android dumps that came from supposed touchpads with android on them references Topaz all over the place which i speculate WOULD have been the 7 inch tablet they was also canned, i digress) and seeing as how it was never announced i REALLY doubt they are going to just go "lol okay guys here you go! Have android 2.3.3 for your touchpads! Thanks for not buying our product at fullprice ^_^". It just sounds to me like you "friend" is trying to seem like an insider, someone "On the in" and nothing more.
Well second core works fine here.
And I am sure it's possible to have gingerbread on it... Heck I'm looking at building it for the development board that the touchpad was based on...
pulser_g2 said:
Well second core works fine here.
And I am sure it's possible to have gingerbread on it... Heck I'm looking at building it for the development board that the touchpad was based on...
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Possible to have gingerbread? Abso-Freakin-lutely lol, Going to come from HP in the form of "lol here you go i guess for no reason", probably not.
Yea.. umm.. your friend is full of it. Install preware and install govnah. Open it and oh look... both cores.
Now... if its sitting idle... it may only use one. But it most definitely uses both.
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HaiKaiDo said:
As a Rep for HP, I have to tell you that pretty much EVERYTHING that person told you is a lie
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You wrong! everything he said is almost true.
Any chance you could share a screenshot of your TouchPad's about screen showing 3.0.3? You know what they say on the internet: "Pics or it didn't happen."
Hold Home + tap Power takes a screenshot, by the way. Are there any major differences you can tell about 3.0.3?
HaiKaiDo said:
As a Rep for HP, I have to tell you that pretty much EVERYTHING that person told you is a lie. on stock 3.x WebOS go download Govnah and look, both cores are running, and if one core ever turns back off, thats because its not needed and will kick back on when it is polled. as for this "He gave m this info once it was confirmed that the PC dept of HP will no longer exist for end-users." that makes no sense as there has been no confirmation of any such thing, if you look at the press release or even CALL hp and ask them for press information, they will tell you that NO decisions will be made WHATSOEVER for atleast 12-18 months. And even then it could just be buisness as usual and nothing changes.
This next one made me laugh
"Another thing, turns out the guy that has been on websites that claims he has the Froyo version for the HP Tablets working and running made people at HP laugh because my QA friends say he currently has the Gingerbread version working fully on the HP Tablet internally. It should be released soon says friend at HP."
HP never released plans for a tablet that would run android (although the build.prop in the current android dumps that came from supposed touchpads with android on them references Topaz all over the place which i speculate WOULD have been the 7 inch tablet they was also canned, i digress) and seeing as how it was never announced i REALLY doubt they are going to just go "lol okay guys here you go! Have android 2.3.3 for your touchpads! Thanks for not buying our product at fullprice ^_^". It just sounds to me like you "friend" is trying to seem like an insider, someone "On the in" and nothing more.
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Actually HP's original tablet plans were to release an Android tablet under Mark Hurd. It was when Leo came in that he decided to completely tank the consumer division by putting out a WebOS tablet with an insanely high iPad-esque pricing scheme.
It is likely that this hardware was made to run Android before it was made to run WebOS.
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Any chance you could share a screenshot of your TouchPad's about screen showing 3.0.3? You know what they say on the internet: "Pics or it didn't happen."
Hold Home + tap Power takes a screenshot, by the way. Are there any major differences you can tell about 3.0.3?
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There is another member here with a device running 3.0.3
Link here
Quick question about over clocking (not sure if 2nd core is being over clocked)
Recently installed preware and over clocked my touchpad to 1.7 ghz. I was reading that there was a bug regarding only one core being over clocked and the other not being over clocked. When i go into govnah it shows core 1 at 1.7 ghz and core 2 as zero. I've also read snap dragon has a power saving feature that doesn't utilize core 2 unless it needs it. But ever since I've installed govnah and overclocked my touchpad, core 2's frequency has not risen above 0 (I check pretty often). Also some times it even says n/a under CPU 2's frequency instead of 0.
Have I been affected by this bug, what should I do to over lock my 2nd core?
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Recently installed preware and over clocked my touchpad to 1.7 ghz. I was reading that there was a bug regarding only one core being over clocked and the other not being over clocked. When i go into govnah it shows core 1 at 1.7 ghz and core 2 as zero. I've also read snap dragon has a power saving feature that doesn't utilize core 2 unless it needs it. But ever since I've installed govnah and overclocked my touchpad, core 2's frequency has not risen above 0 (I check pretty often). Also some times it even says n/a under CPU 2's frequency instead of 0.
Have I been affected by this bug, what should I do to over lock my 2nd core?
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Which kernel are you running? Did you make any profile changes in Govnah?
xecure said:
Recently installed preware and over clocked my touchpad to 1.7 ghz. I was reading that there was a bug regarding only one core being over clocked and the other not being over clocked. When i go into govnah it shows core 1 at 1.7 ghz and core 2 as zero. I've also read snap dragon has a power saving feature that doesn't utilize core 2 unless it needs it. But ever since I've installed govnah and overclocked my touchpad, core 2's frequency has not risen above 0 (I check pretty often). Also some times it even says n/a under CPU 2's frequency instead of 0.
Have I been affected by this bug, what should I do to over lock my 2nd core?
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I had the same issue. Its actually pretty widespread. The alternative is to use the warthog kernel. Just uninstall the F15 kernel, restart your touchpad, install the warthog kernel, restart, and voila, both cores should be overclocked.
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Which kernel are you running? Did you make any profile changes in Govnah?
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Was running F15
dreadlord369 said:
I had the same issue. Its actually pretty widespread. The alternative is to use the warthog kernel. Just uninstall the F15 kernel, restart your touchpad, install the warthog kernel, restart, and voila, both cores should be overclocked.
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Doing this solved my problem.
But the warthog kernel doesn't allow the TouchPad to be over clocked to 1.9. Not that I need it but not having the options bothers me . How would I go about fixing this issue with the f15 kernel?
Run govnah and leave it running in the background for a while... when you go back you can check the history to see your second processor.
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Run govnah and leave it running in the background for a while... when you go back you can check the history to see your second processor.
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correct, both cores do work, after you change wait about 10secs and you will see the 2nd core running.
overheating?
has anybody else experienced overheating when installing kernels?
leepriestenator said:
There is another member here with a device running 3.0.3
Link here
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Thats my brother, I got that tab for him
lowlymarine said:
Any chance you could share a screenshot of your TouchPad's about screen showing 3.0.3? You know what they say on the internet: "Pics or it didn't happen."
Hold Home + tap Power takes a screenshot, by the way. Are there any major differences you can tell about 3.0.3?
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I'm sorry, I cant really tell you any differences as I have never used prior version but here is the screenshot sorry for the delay in reply but it seems my subscibe feature didnt notify me.
BTW, I just did an upgrade to 3.0.3 375... i guess HP is still send out OTA build for testing.
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skomes said:
Actually HP's original tablet plans were to release an Android tablet under Mark Hurd. It was when Leo came in that he decided to completely tank the consumer division by putting out a WebOS tablet with an insanely high iPad-esque pricing scheme.
It is likely that this hardware was made to run Android before it was made to run WebOS.
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And, I have personally seen the gingerbread running on the 7" Hp Tab which was canceled. He said he would gave me the preflashed hp tablet with gingerbread but they can track it back to his department and possibly back to him as an individual so I didnt want to push it.
As for the Froyo that was released on the HP tablet that was read about on the internet, my friend said they actually tracked that tab back to his building here in Sunnyvale location of HP and was dealt with.
AND, as for this "sales" rep for HP, you obviously don't know EVERYTHING. I'm not saying that I do, but I got to see and play with some of these HP prototype tablets and android HP slate touchscreen netbooks that no one has seen. I have no reason to make this up nor does he.So the main reason for this post was to tell people that both cores are not being utilized the way are supposed to... mainly only one.
I was told this was pretty hush-hush for a while. The explanation I got was, they started to create web-os around a single core single thread system and them decided to change to better hardware. The whole base of web-os was developed to only utilze one core and would need to be re-written completely to use both cores.
So now if this is true or now... I don't know, but why would by buddy make HP and his project sound like crap and sheisty to sell a 'car advertised with 500hp and only use 250hp'.
Also,I offered the 3.0.3 in my first post, I was asked not to do this do to HP not wanting to release testing firmware.
Another tidbit of info...... I was told also, HP released this tablet with a known memory leak when swiping to different tasks and windows, you will notice your tab will get slow and sometimes unresponsive. Well that do to a memory leak they didnt bother to fix before sales. If anyone have fix that it would make the tablet run alot smoother.
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And, I have personally seen the gingerbread running on the 7" Hp Tab which was canceled. He said he would gave me the preflashed hp tablet with gingerbread but they can track it back to his department and possibly back to him as an individual so I didnt want to push it.
As for the Froyo that was released on the HP tablet that was read about on the internet, my friend said they actually tracked that tab back to his building here in Sunnyvale location of HP and was dealt with.
AND, as for this "sales" rep for HP, you obviously don't know EVERYTHING. I'm not saying that I do, but I got to see and play with some of these HP prototype tablets and android HP slate touchscreen netbooks that no one has seen. I have no reason to make this up nor does he.So the main reason for this post was to tell people that both cores are not being utilized the way are supposed to... mainly only one.
I was told this was pretty hush-hush for a while. The explanation I got was, they started to create web-os around a single core single thread system and them decided to change to better hardware. The whole base of web-os was developed to only utilze one core and would need to be re-written completely to use both cores.
So now if this is true or now... I don't know, but why would by buddy make HP and his project sound like crap and sheisty to sell a 'car advertised with 500hp and only use 250hp'.
Also,I offered the 3.0.3 in my first post, I was asked not to do this do to HP not wanting to release testing firmware.
Another tidbit of info...... I was told also, HP released this tablet with a known memory leak when swiping to different tasks and windows, you will notice your tab will get slow and sometimes unresponsive. Well that do to a memory leak they didnt bother to fix before sales. If anyone have fix that it would make the tablet run alot smoother.
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Isnt it quite easy to see if both cores are working by running sunspider and then compare results with tablets using equal hardware?
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+10 char. Barnes and nobles.
http://images.barnesandnoble.com/PResources/download/Nook/source-code/nookcolor-source-code.zip
u forgot link http://images.barnesandnoble.com/PResources/download/Nook/source-code/nookcolor-source-code.zip
that was fast
This is awesome.
Looks like B&N understand that they have something much bigger than an ereader.
I, for one, had not been interested in this device until I saw the posts here about it being rooted and being able to install other programs on it. I went out and bought it last night and will hold on to it until an easier root method is published.
Well of course they understand But since at $250 they're probably not making much, if any profit off the machine, they need to sell content and they have two options:
1) Close the machine off Amazon style and force people to buy content from you, or
2) Open the platform, hope more people buy your device and hope that translates into content sales (book, magazines, etc...) where the money is.
Seems like they're blending #1 and #2 but with a bit more #2... Pretty good for us.
Hopefully, the cooked ROMs will allow to access the stock B&N reading program as well. It's a bit slow at times but it's a pretty good reader with strong book management capabilities (shelves) and the magazines are pretty good too.
Don't mean to sound dumb, but what exactly is this a link for?
Hopefully the link is to the source code used to compile the Android OS on the Nook Color.
Maybe I will even finally compile me some Android.
At the very least it would seem that combining parts of this with AOSP 2.2 might yield one / several usable froyo kernels for the NC. Easy to say, definitely more complicated to actually do.
Ypocaramel said:
Well of course they understand But since at $250 they're probably not making much, if any profit off the machine, they need to sell content and they have two options:
1) Close the machine off Amazon style and force people to buy content from you, or
2) Open the platform, hope more people buy your device and hope that translates into content sales (book, magazines, etc...) where the money is.
Seems like they're blending #1 and #2 but with a bit more #2... Pretty good for us.
Hopefully, the cooked ROMs will allow to access the stock B&N reading program as well. It's a bit slow at times but it's a pretty good reader with strong book management capabilities (shelves) and the magazines are pretty good too.
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I like the device so much, alll I do is talk about how good it is and how it compares for the money.
I highly recommend it to everyone looking for a reader, that's capable of much more.
I'm surprised how many people are interested
I bought one yesterday and already have it rooted. Additionally, I have ADW Launcher, all of my favorite apps/games, DroidX keyboard, etc. I agree that this is easily one of the best values in the tablet segment. I'm really eager to see Android 2.2/2.3 though.
I got my Nook last week and use it quite a bit. I too agree it is the best tablet around, especially when you consider the price point. I'm using it now even with tapatalk. Most of my friends are probably tired if hearing me extol its virtues. Once Froyo or Gingerbread hits, along with bluetooth (if possible) this thing will be even more awesome.
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Got one for my wife last week, rooted it right away and we both think it's great. It's the only tablet in the house and I'm using it more than she and considering buying another NC just for myself.
Perhaps I should just be patient with Honeycomb (supposedly) coming out early 2011, along with new devices designed specifically for a more tablet friendly OS. Does anyone question whether NC will be able to run Honeycomb?
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Got one for my wife last week, rooted it right away and we both think it's great. It's the only tablet in the house and I'm using it more than she and considering buying another NC just for myself.
Perhaps I should just be patient with Honeycomb (supposedly) coming out early 2011, along with new devices designed specifically for a more tablet friendly OS. Does anyone question whether NC will be able to run Honeycomb?
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The answer to honeycomb relies on two things (the way i see it):
1) We must be able to boot custom roms. From what i gather, alot of progress is being made there already, so i doubt that will be too much of an issue. If we can get a recovery option, and be able to do nandroid backups, it would be even safer.
2) The hardware must meet HC's specs. This is the real question mark - what kind of hardware will HC actually need? As it is, our tablets really aren't lacking in the hardware department, and a custom overclocked/undervolted kernel should really help (speed boost to 1.0-1.2). As it is, our A8 CPU and SGX530 GPU are no slouch (though yes, our GPU is weaker than top end gear), and the 512MB ram should really help performance. Again, it comes down to what custom kernels and roms can be cooked up for our hardware..
B&N Clerk Talked About Hacking It
jtreminio said:
Looks like B&N understand that they have something much bigger than an ereader.
I, for one, had not been interested in this device until I saw the posts here about it being rooted and being able to install other programs on it. I went out and bought it last night and will hold on to it until an easier root method is published.
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Hi,
I got one yesterday. Can’t open it until Christmas, since it’s my present from my wife. Anyway, when I bought it the clerk was talking about training. I told ther that the person that was getting it was very tech savvy. She said “They will get it home and hack it in about an hour. You know it can be hacked into a full tablet computer.”
This was from the cashier.
Best sub 300 tablet in the market right now
Its basically a 7 inch droid x
Hope we get aosp rom soon
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what are the specks on the nook?
easy9 said:
what are the specks on the nook?
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Check the specs on the wiki page: http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Nook_Color
Smooth...
I have been watching this ColorNook development since they announced it coming to market.
Bought one 5 days ago after autonook was finished. For $250 it beats the market tablets hands down. Tethered it wirelessly to my Droid and I was in business.
Glad I made the leap. Rotting took less than an hour. Great job guys.
Thanks
The nook color is an awesome little device! I chose it over the galaxy tab, (it was way too expensive, & i didn't want another two year contract with sprint). It's crazy how much people on craigslist are charging for a tab, they get up to $600!, no thank you, i'm happy with my autonootered/rooted nook, & it didn't cost me an arm and a leg I recommend you guys pick one up, it's only gonna' get better.
Hi I hava gtablet with android system 2.2 Just want to know if it posible to upgrade to os system android 3.2, and how can it be done?
Android 3.2 is here!
Android 3.2 is a minor feature update that includes new
APIs that allow you to better target your layouts for specific
screen sizes and other miscellaneous new APIs.
For more information about all the changes in Android 3.2
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Sry for the question but i new in all this of android system.
snipekill said:
Hi I hava gtablet with android system 2.2 Just want to know if it posible to upgrade to os system android 3.2, and how can it be done?
Sry for the question but i new in all this of android system.
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simple answer, NO
Complex Answer,
Viewsonic, the company that has their name plastered on the back of our tablets, has let us know that they are not going to be upgrading them to any Android OS higher than 2.2. They claim that it's because Nvidia (the company that created the Tegra 2 platform has said they will not provide hardre drivers for any android os higher than 2.2 on the harmony (ours) platform, and will only to it for the Ventana (Xoom, Iconia, Transformer).
However, there are some talented 3rd party developers here, and at the tabletroms forums that are working as hard as they can to attempt to get honeycomb to run on the harmony devices (Gtablet Vega, Adam). They have been able to port android 3.0 to them, but there are parts missing, namely hardware acceleration and the camera. Unless these developers start implementing portions of android 3.2 (which I believe some are) then you can't get it. There will never be an official android 3.2 update for our devices. What we'll probably end up with is an android 3.0 with aspects of 3.1 and 3.2, since htey'll be "updated" manually, but they will still lack drivers for hardware acceleration.
Thx i will try to flash it to G HARMONY GINGERBREAD v2.6(BL1.1)
i hope i do it right.
snipekill said:
Thx i will try to flash it to G HARMONY GINGERBREAD v2.6(BL1.1)
i hope i do it right.
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make sure you're on the 1.1 bootloader first
Or else you'll be right back here wondering why you're stuck
TJEvans said:
make sure you're on the 1.1 bootloader first
Or else you'll be right back here wondering why you're stuck
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thx for the remark , i should type the 1.2BL
TJEvans said:
simple answer, NO
Complex Answer,
Viewsonic, the company that has their name plastered on the back of our tablets, has let us know that they are not going to be upgrading them to any Android OS higher than 2.2. They claim that it's because Nvidia (the company that created the Tegra 2 platform has said they will not provide hardre drivers for any android os higher than 2.2 on the harmony (ours) platform, and will only to it for the Ventana (Xoom, Iconia, Transformer).
However, there are some talented 3rd party developers here, and at the tabletroms forums that are working as hard as they can to attempt to get honeycomb to run on the harmony devices (Gtablet Vega, Adam). They have been able to port android 3.0 to them, but there are parts missing, namely hardware acceleration and the camera. Unless these developers start implementing portions of android 3.2 (which I believe some are) then you can't get it. There will never be an official android 3.2 update for our devices. What we'll probably end up with is an android 3.0 with aspects of 3.1 and 3.2, since htey'll be "updated" manually, but they will still lack drivers for hardware acceleration.
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I'm sorry for the noob question but what is so different with both platform? Also why is Nvidia not supporting Harmony? Also is that why I could not find the darn APX drivers on Nvidia website? Also what will happen when Ice Cream Sandwich will come out since it will be open source?
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Done working fine.
what is so different with both platform?
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I can honestly say that I have no idea...besides the RAM, we're at 512mb, they are at 1gb
why is Nvidia not supporting Harmony?
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This is a point of contention for some, including myself. Back in April, when we first started complaining to Viewsonic, they told us that Nvidia would not support any OS higher than 2.2 for the Harmony chipset. We then complained to Nvidia, who stated, publicly that they would support their hardware on any OS at the request of the hardware partner (Viewsonic in this case) The argument then died down, until just recently.
We then started bothering Viewsonic again to "request" the drivers for GB and HC, since they are the hardware partner, and Nvidia said they would support it. A few weeks ago, Viewsonic stated that they had communnicated with Nividia and were told that Nividia would not support an OS higher than 2.2 on the Harmony chipset (sound familiar?)
I, personally, doubt that Viewsonic ever made such request. Others state that Nvidia did a corporate double speak, saying that they would support a higher OS, but never saying that they would provide drivers for such an OS. The fact is, we don't have a higher OS, so there's nothing really, for them to support...see what I'm saying?
In any case, Viewsonic makes us mad at Nvidia and Nvidia makes us mad at Viewsonic...nothing ever gets resolved, and we're still pissed.
I could not find the darn APX drivers on Nvidia website?
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Don't know, but you can find them on the Gtablet for Dummies site under the NVFlash section...
Also what will happen when Ice Cream Sandwich will come out since it will be open source?
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Magic 8 ball says "answer is unclear"
honestly, your guess is as good as mine.
TJEvans said:
I can honestly say that I have no idea...besides the RAM, we're at 512mb, they are at 1gb
This is a point of contention for some, including myself. Back in April, when we first started complaining to Viewsonic, they told us that Nvidia would not support any OS higher than 2.2 for the Harmony chipset. We then complained to Nvidia, who stated, publicly that they would support their hardware on any OS at the request of the hardware partner (Viewsonic in this case) The argument then died down, until just recently.
We then started bothering Viewsonic again to "request" the drivers for GB and HC, since they are the hardware partner, and Nvidia said they would support it. A few weeks ago, Viewsonic stated that they had communnicated with Nividia and were told that Nividia would not support an OS higher than 2.2 on the Harmony chipset (sound familiar?)
I, personally, doubt that Viewsonic ever made such request. Others state that Nvidia did a corporate double speak, saying that they would support a higher OS, but never saying that they would provide drivers for such an OS. The fact is, we don't have a higher OS, so there's nothing really, for them to support...see what I'm saying?
In any case, Viewsonic makes us mad at Nvidia and Nvidia makes us mad at Viewsonic...nothing ever gets resolved, and we're still pissed.
Don't know, but you can find them on the Gtablet for Dummies site under the NVFlash section...
Magic 8 ball says "answer is unclear"
honestly, your guess is as good as mine.
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Ah thanks for clearing that up but the difference between Harmony and Ventana can't just be RAM since the Acer Iconia A100 only has 512MB of RAM and it runs Android 3.2. Oh well lets just hope Nvidia releases drivers for Ice-Cream Sandwich. I'm also pissed that Viewsonic is releasing two Honeycomb tablets.
Doomguy123 said:
I'm also pissed that Viewsonic is releasing two Honeycomb tablets.
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Don't be pissed. Just don't buy them. Better yet, don't buy anything Viewsonic.
Fuzzy John said:
Don't be pissed. Just don't buy them. Better yet, don't buy anything Viewsonic.
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Yeah anyways the last monitor I had from Viewsonic died a few mounts back.
Doomguy123 said:
Yeah anyways the last monitor I had from Viewsonic died a few mounts back.
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I would love 3.2 just for reasizeable Widgets. EVen though viewsonic abandoned this tablet I don't care. I will never buy anything viewsonic again as i would be pissed if i spent $300 on a tablet that has been forgotten about by its makers. But $170 for a used dual core honeycomb tablet is pretty damn hard to beat(even if it is 3.0 and a little buggy). So far i am loving this tablet. Now only if electroniccrap would re-stock the bluto.
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bobthesalesclerk said:
I would love 3.2 just for reasizeable Widgets.
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I installed gtabcomb beta 3.3 located here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1126220
For the most part it ran fine. The camera didn't work and I experienced the sleep of death.
Currently I am running a cm7.1 rc1 located here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1144847
Again for the most part everything runs fine. A few minor things changed like the location of the sdcard. Not sure why but I don't have any audio so I can't play any music. No FC anywhere and the new market runs well.
dobah said:
I installed gtabcomb beta 3.3 located here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1126220
For the most part it ran fine. The camera didn't work and I experienced the sleep of death.
Currently I am running a cm7.1 rc1 located here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1144847
Again for the most part everything runs fine. A few minor things changed like the location of the sdcard. Not sure why but I don't have any audio so I can't play any music. No FC anywhere and the new market runs well.
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The version of a ROM is not indicitive of the version of the OS that it's based on. I'm pretty sure that ALL HC roms available for the Gtablet are based on a 3.0 version of HC, they may have different aspects of 3.1 and 3.2 built in, but they are mostly 3.0.
The camera foes not work on ANY HC rom for the Gtablet, neither does hardware acceleration (trust me, HA does NOT work on ANY HC rom)
Android 3.2 ported to Vega, not G-Tablet
I have read that there is already a version of HC 3.2 ported to a similar device, with the VegaComb version
Would some of the developers that havef ported the HC 3.0.1 be able to adapt the VegaComb 3.2 to any of their distributions?
I am currently using Flashback 8.0, and have tried vegan 7.0RC1, gtabcomb 3.3, flashback 7.2, illuminate 3.1 and of course the strange version taht the viewsonic g-tablet came with, and it has been a nice walk through the several android flavors, but the hardware acceleration is really a important part of the device. From what I saw on the vegacomb video on youtube, the acceleration to a similar device really proves to make a much better experience, and not to say that the camera works, and flash plays withough issues on the browser.
Let me know if there is a v ersion of 3.2 to test, I would gladly test it out .
dnanton said:
I have read that there is already a version of HC 3.2 ported to a similar device, with the VegaComb version
Would some of the developers that havef ported the HC 3.0.1 be able to adapt the VegaComb 3.2 to any of their distributions?
I am currently using Flashback 8.0, and have tried vegan 7.0RC1, gtabcomb 3.3, flashback 7.2, illuminate 3.1 and of course the strange version taht the viewsonic g-tablet came with, and it has been a nice walk through the several android flavors, but the hardware acceleration is really a important part of the device. From what I saw on the vegacomb video on youtube, the acceleration to a similar device really proves to make a much better experience, and not to say that the camera works, and flash plays withough issues on the browser.
Let me know if there is a v ersion of 3.2 to test, I would gladly test it out .
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Your talking about the VegaComb 3.2 with the hardware acceleration? If so as far as I know no one is porting it I asked the VegaComb team and none of them have a Gtablet. Id like to see someone like Robeet port it over but doesn't look like that's gonna happen.
Started into the world of Android on a Gtab myself by getting on (full $400 price) at Sears many moons ago. Loved it. Messed it up. Figured out how to restore it (along with XDA gurus!) and generally enjoyed the whole process. Found VEGAN to be my ROM of choice and went happily on my way.
Then the tablet explosion began.
Despite entreaties by many it would appear (at least to me) some time ago the Gtab is EOL. End Of Life merely means it, along with many other tabs are now declared abandoned by their respective manufacturers who are moving on to newer offerings. One sees this with all things tech including phones, desktops, OS, etc.
I really don't mean to sound like a curmudgeon, but if it weren't for talented devs like Robeet, et. al., we'd not see massaged ROMs we do even now. Got a feeling the Gtab is like the NookColor and other first gen tabs. Froyo, GB and perhaps a handful of modded ROMs based on the previous is going to be it. Which ain't bad but not the same.
It is what it is.
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Started into the world of Android on a Gtab myself by getting on (full $400 price) at Sears many moons ago. Loved it. Messed it up. Figured out how to restore it (along with XDA gurus!) and generally enjoyed the whole process. Found VEGAN to be my ROM of choice and went happily on my way.
Then the tablet explosion began.
Despite entreaties by many it would appear (at least to me) some time ago the Gtab is EOL. End Of Life merely means it, along with many other tabs are now declared abandoned by their respective manufacturers who are moving on to newer offerings. One sees this with all things tech including phones, desktops, OS, etc.
I really don't mean to sound like a curmudgeon, but if it weren't for talented devs like Robeet, et. al., we'd not see massaged ROMs we do even now. Got a feeling the Gtab is like the NookColor and other first gen tabs. Froyo, GB and perhaps a handful of modded ROMs based on the previous is going to be it. Which ain't bad but not the same.
It is what it is.
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That's only partly true. The mod community is still here and someone figured out how to get hardware acceleration working on the Advent Vega and there's no telling what will happen when Ice Cream Sandwich gets released. Sure Viewsonic gave up on it but they still support it (contrary to HP).
You make a valid point, chum. Never underestimate the imagination and talent of a dedicated developer! People have done some amazing things with tablets and will continue to do so. That said, a "wait and see" position while perhaps not all that encouraging, might indeed yield some extremely useful projects.
Time will tell!
A lot of this is starting to feel connected to the tegra3.
So, my guess is the ones that rebooted needed more voltage and could not deal with switching cpu's on and off.
So now that we have all 4 on all the time, the ones that can't handle that are showing flaws.
To me it seems like this could be a manufacturing issue with the tegra3.
I'm sure some of the issues could be ICS+tegra3 as well.
Is there someplace that has info on the tegra3? Not many devices have it yet.
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A lot of this is starting to feel connected to the tegra3.
So, my guess is the ones that rebooted needed more voltage and could not deal with switching cpu's on and off.
So now that we have all 4 on all the time, the ones that can't handle that are showing flaws.
To me it seems like this could be a manufacturing issue with the tegra3.
I'm sure some of the issues could be ICS+tegra3 as well.
Is there someplace that has info on the tegra3? Not many devices have it yet.
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I've been saying for at least a month now this is all because of hardware and manufacturing differences with the processor. In other words everyone is screwed because this is not something where software can just magically make all of the Primes play nice which they already proved with the latest update it fixed some Primes with original lockup issue while borking ones that were perfectly fine..... not only that they are degrading our battery life severely trying to get the firmware to play nice with all the Primes this is a losing battle mass recall is the only real fix at this point.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra-superchip.html
http://www.techradar.com/news/mobile-computing/nvidia-tegra-3-what-you-need-to-know-1039584
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile...-fifth-core-that-helps-increase-battery-life/
I agree completely. Do you see any other Tegra 3 tabs on the market? Nope. The nearest android tablet coming out is the Toshiba Excite X10, which is an older OMAP 4430 dual-core running @ 1.2GHz (which is undeniably stable). But I don't think its Tegra 3 alone.
A lot of the issues we see with lockups/reboots/battery issues could be how ICS and the apps deal with Tegra 3. But I'm speculating...
Do we have any way of knowing if it's falling back to the 5th low power core? Seems like it's staying with the other 4 on at 475mhz, meaning it does not swap to the 5th core.
I found this as well:
"NVIDIA handles all of the core juggling through its own firmware. Depending on the level of performance Android requests, NVIDIA will either enable the companion core or one or more of the four remaining A9s. The transition should be seamless to the OS"
So was this "fix" ASUS or did it come from NVIDIA? If so then something is broken.
It definitely was nvidia. We wonder why no other tablet is experiencing this problem. Prime is the only one with Tegra 3!
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Do we have any way of knowing if it's falling back to the 5th low power core? Seems like it's staying with the other 4 on at 475mhz, meaning it does not swap to the 5th core.
I found this as well:
"NVIDIA handles all of the core juggling through its own firmware. Depending on the level of performance Android requests, NVIDIA will either enable the companion core or one or more of the four remaining A9s. The transition should be seamless to the OS"
So was this "fix" ASUS or did it come from NVIDIA? If so then something is broken.
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It was from them both bit nothing to loose sleep over. They will be releasing another update soon to revert back to lower speeds. But this issue wasn't new to latest update. The lowest speeds have been raised since .11 update. The raised lower speeds is not the main contributor to excessive battery drain. Something else is at play and causing excessive CPU use and not allowing prime to stay in deep sleep for extended periods of time. Its being discussed in battery drain thread that has me, lock n load, buthx, and g37 discussing it with hard data to back up some claims.
Well it could be worse... at least the Tegra3 is not in my car!
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nv...nt-and-digital-instrument-clusters-2012-01-11
Another trogdor thread....
People.... come on... just cause a bunch of people who have issues with their prime assemble on XDA doesn't mean that the entire prime is useless. i'm pretty positive that 80%+ is happy with the prime.
Besides, a lot of people have been experiencing the lock-ups since the new firmware updates. (so doesn't seem like a hardware issue imo)
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Another trogdor thread....
People.... come on... just cause a bunch of people who have issues with their prime assemble on XDA doesn't mean that the entire prime is useless. i'm pretty positive that 80%+ is happy with the prime.
Besides, a lot of people have been experiencing the lock-ups since the new firmware updates. (so doesn't seem like a hardware issue imo)
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Actually the lockups started with ICS the Primes effected at that time were fixed with 1.13 and now Primes that were perfectly fine are muffed this definitely IS hardware.
What other tab is running ICS? The only ICS/quad core/tegra 3 tablet is the prime. The argument "no other tab is having these problems" is irrelevant. There is no good comparison. Asus promised an update this month and I still expect it.
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I couldnt disagree more! If it was a hardware problem it would have been a problem the whole time even with Honeycomb. I'm sure they will get it right soon. Basicly when Asus updates they need to do a better job of wiping out the old software before the new is programmed in, as a lot us that did 2 or 3 factory reset after the upgrade saw our problems go away. You should also do a factory reset and a cold boot just before upgrading.
The Good
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5072/nvidias-tegra-3-launched-architecture-revealed
The Bad and the Ugly
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/11/09/tegra-3-missed-performance-goals-by-wide-margins/
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A lot of the issues we see with lockups/reboots/battery issues could be how ICS and the apps deal with Tegra 3. But I'm speculating...
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Dianne Hackborn, a Google engineer, has actually commented on the differences between HC and ICS and Google's roll in adapting to different processors. On the former, she said there's no low-level changes between HC and ICS; HC is the base for ICS. On the latter, she said Google doesn't adjust or tune the OS on a per SoC basis. It's up to the manufacturer to create any unique bridge code that's necessary. If you think it would help, Google her and ask her any questions you might have via G+. She's also joined certain threads before.
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The Good
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5072/nvidias-tegra-3-launched-architecture-revealed
The Bad and the Ugly
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/11/09/tegra-3-missed-performance-goals-by-wide-margins/
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Dianne Hackborn, a Google engineer, has actually commented on the differences between HC and ICS and Google's roll in adapting to different processors. On the former, she said there's no low-level changes between HC and ICS; HC is the base for ICS. On the latter, she said Google doesn't adjust or tune the OS on a per SoC basis. It's up to the manufacturer to create any unique bridge code that's necessary. If you think it would help, Google her and ask her any questions you might have via G+. She's also joined certain threads before.
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-A quote from the bad n ugly link. Its in the comments that stuck out very loud n clear on Semi-Accurate Anti-Nvidia bias
NeelyCam Nov 9, 2011 at 4:01 pm #
My guess is that Charlie is quite a bit off target (as he tends to be with NVidia, with Bumpgate being THE exception).
“According to numbers shown to SemiAccurate, basically every upcoming competitor beats Tegra 3, most by wide margins.”
Yeah, because they’ll be A15 and on 28nm. The problem is, they are 28nm and they aren’t here yet… 28nm yield issues most certainly don’t speed up the introduction of these chips. “On track” my ass.
Last time with Tegra2, NVidia chip was THE game in town for a really long time before others got their act together, and released their own dual A9 chips. And Charlie is a fool if he’s saying Tegra2 was a failure, when instead it was a huge success.
Now, Tegra3 is out well before others (again) AND it doesn’t take a risk with 28nm process/yield failure. My guess is that it will again be a six-month success story before Krait starts yielding well enough.
Dear readers (and analysts alike) – try to see through Charlie’s incomprehensible anti-NVidia bias.
-Another well put comment:
Max Nov 9, 2011 at 6:17 pm #
Terrible article. Tegra 3 is pretty good. I had a hands on with the Transformer Prime and it was very good. I expect ICS will bring further optimisations and use of the extra cores too. The power gating function means it is rated at 13h battery life, that’s pretty damn good.
You are a one man smear machine Charlie, it’s time for you to stop these hatchet jobs on Nvidia because they killed your dog and ate it rebel style. Give up man. Life is too short to hold these types of grudges, what will you be saying when Kal-El 2 comes out at 28nm and it is super competitive and low power? Same rubbish or new rubbish. Seriously, get some perspective on all of this, you are ruining the website with this rubbish because you can’t get serious news or insight on Nvidia because you have some kind of first option on all Nvidia articles and they are all full of crap.
-This one puts everything into perspective thinkn other companies will have the upper hand..lol;
Noone Nov 14, 2011 at 5:34 pm #
I just don’t think nVidia can come in an supplant the ARM chip makers that have been in this space for 15+ years. Qualacomm has more than a decade experience building chips for this market AND they understand the market from almost every aspect.
Yes, even Silicon Graphics was a monster in graphics market but was blown away by nvidia. You forget that being on the market for 15+ years does not help when you cannot innovate as fast as a new competitor. nvidia came with a dual core ARM 18 months before anyone else. Everyone said it was useless to have 2 cores on phones. Now everyone is making dual core SoCs and try to put them in tablets (which were not existing when Tegra2 was presented, that is even before the iPad). nvidia is now out with a quad core design. Yes, it is on 40nm, but some competitor has still not shown in their roadmap a quadcore SoC. nvidia competitors rely on 3rd party GPUs improvements, made by players that have been relegated into mobile market since they were born. nvidia dominates the professional graphics market and knows how to build really powerful GPUs competitors can just dream. Ask yourself why there’s not a big SGX GPUs as complex as a Fermi/Cypress if their architecture is so much better. Simply because not everyone is able to design so complex architectures even though they have a winning part. When you scale up, you have to know how not to make the chip melt down. SGX MP+ GPUs are great, but they are huge (and really huge) and hot. nvidia final target are not smartphones. Qualcomm and TI may be happy to end in that market segment, seen their limited design capacities. nvidia target are much more powerful SoCs that can be used outside mobile market. They are passing through the mobile market, will leave some product there (that’s why they bought Icera) but they will go on on beyond that. Quad core, eight core, more and more powerful and power angry SoC will be created. Not all them will be able to compete in the mobile market for power consumption. But nvidia is and probably will be the first one to introduce new design in the ARM market pushing it in new markets (mids, netbook, notebooks, low end desktops and up). Competition has nothing to give to producers till 28nm transition is complete, and that will happen in few months. At that point they’ll be happy producing their dual core 28nm SoCs while nvidia will come with quad core Cortex-A15 and a completely new GPU design.
When competition will be able with quad cores, nvidia will be one generation ahead. If you have not understood, or you were too young/sleeping at that time see what happened since Riva128 was presented. A no stop innovation made of small steps every 6 months till the competition died just after the first GeForce was announced: none could keep nvidia innovation pace, neither ATI which was saved by AMD before bankruptcy. That market could sustain a 6 month upgrade rate. The mobile probably a little slower pace. But you can see 15+ years actors in this market have 18-24 months design cycles, which is really too slow, even though they come with great design when they arrive (too late).
There are no words Charlie can say about how good/bad Tegra3 is against a no present competition. If you want more power in an ARM SoC you need Tegra3. There are not alternatives up to now and for the next 6-8 months. If you want to stay with the competition, you just can keep using 1 or 2 cores again for a few months. You can make money as well, but you will lose the 15+ market leading position, that is mobile market development and progress will be in the hand of someone else and all you can do is following the trail.
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A quote from the bad n ugly link.
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I know you hate that article. But if you take off your rose colored glasses, even by eliminating the anti-Nvidia opinion of the author, he explains the architecture, compromises, and risks well. It's ironic that one of the biggest risks he pointed out appears to be happening. That's Nvidia having to tinker with the s/w that controls the various cores to meet both their performance and battery saving goals. You can still love something and admit it has faults. Is your wife or partner faultless? Mine's sure not but I'd make the same decision again.
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I know you hate that article. But if you take off your rose colored glasses, even by eliminating the anti-Nvidia opinion of the author, he explains the architecture, compromises, and risks well. It's ironic that one of the biggest risks he pointed out appears to be happening. That's Nvidia having to tinker with the s/w that controls the various cores to meet both their performance and battery saving goals. You can still love something and admit it has faults. Is your wife or partner faultless? Mine's sure not but I'd make the same decision again.
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Of course it has faults. Just like anything else. But in this business you have to be a risk taker and come with something new and innovating. That's why apple is the monster it is now, for the most part. Apple loved tl make things already created even better but still innovating in alot of aspects. I still it was a good move on Nvidia part. This quad core / 5 core is all brand new. That's why they have patent pending on that software technology nvidia uses that allows the cores to communicate in such a fashion. Its a risk that will yells great results sooner than you think.
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Of course it has faults. Just like anything else. But in this business you have to be a risk taker and come with something new and innovating. That's why apple is the monster it is now, for the most part. Apple loved tl make things already created even better but still innovating in alot of aspects. I still it was a good move on Nvidia part. This quad core / 5 core is all brand new. That's why they have patent pending on that software technology nvidia uses that allows the cores to communicate in such a fashion. Its a risk that will yells great results sooner than you think.
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Barry looks like he didn't understand you lol.......
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Barry looks like he didn't understand you lol.......
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^^^^^^^^This guy^^^^^^^^^
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Yes, even Silicon Graphics was a monster in graphics market but was blown away by nvidia. You forget that being on the market for 15+ years does not help when you cannot innovate as fast as a new competitor. nvidia came with a dual core ARM 18 months before anyone else. Everyone said it was useless to have 2 cores on phones. Now everyone is making dual core SoCs and try to put them in tablets (which were not existing when Tegra2 was presented, that is even before the iPad). nvidia is now out with a quad core design. Yes, it is on 40nm, but some competitor has still not shown in their roadmap a quadcore SoC. nvidia competitors rely on 3rd party GPUs improvements, made by players that have been relegated into mobile market since they were born. nvidia dominates the professional graphics market and knows how to build really powerful GPUs competitors can just dream. Ask yourself why there’s not a big SGX GPUs as complex as a Fermi/Cypress if their architecture is so much better. Simply because not everyone is able to design so complex architectures even though they have a winning part. When you scale up, you have to know how not to make the chip melt down. SGX MP+ GPUs are great, but they are huge (and really huge) and hot. nvidia final target are not smartphones. Qualcomm and TI may be happy to end in that market segment, seen their limited design capacities. nvidia target are much more powerful SoCs that can be used outside mobile market. They are passing through the mobile market, will leave some product there (that’s why they bought Icera) but they will go on on beyond that. Quad core, eight core, more and more powerful and power angry SoC will be created. Not all them will be able to compete in the mobile market for power consumption. But nvidia is and probably will be the first one to introduce new design in the ARM market pushing it in new markets (mids, netbook, notebooks, low end desktops and up). Competition has nothing to give to producers till 28nm transition is complete, and that will happen in few months. At that point they’ll be happy producing their dual core 28nm SoCs while nvidia will come with quad core Cortex-A15 and a completely new GPU design.
When competition will be able with quad cores, nvidia will be one generation ahead. If you have not understood, or you were too young/sleeping at that time see what happened since Riva128 was presented. A no stop innovation made of small steps every 6 months till the competition died just after the first GeForce was announced: none could keep nvidia innovation pace, neither ATI which was saved by AMD before bankruptcy. That market could sustain a 6 month upgrade rate. The mobile probably a little slower pace. But you can see 15+ years actors in this market have 18-24 months design cycles, which is really too slow, even though they come with great design when they arrive (too late).
There are no words Charlie can say about how good/bad Tegra3 is against a no present competition. If you want more power in an ARM SoC you need Tegra3. There are not alternatives up to now and for the next 6-8 months. If you want to stay with the competition, you just can keep using 1 or 2 cores again for a few months. You can make money as well, but you will lose the 15+ market leading position, that is mobile market development and progress will be in the hand of someone else and all you can do is following the trail.
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Can you tell me how Nvidia is dominating professional graphics market? Dominating as in RIGHT NOW.. I'm sure AMD/ATI enthusiast will disagree.
Adreno GPU (developed by Qualcomm in-house), and Mali GPU.. (developed in house by Samsung)... Only Apple & TI uses 3rd party GPU from PowerVR (granted.. Samsung recently got some license from PowerVR and Sony uses PowerVR in PS Vita).
And by roadmap.. do you mean plans? I'm sure Krait is quadcore, same with Apple A6...
Or did you mean by roadmap with devices from OEM?? I'm sure we'll find out more in MWC..
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5118/qualcomm-announces-a-bunch-of-krait-based-snapdragon-s4-socs
"I'm not sure how much competition Krait will see until OMAP 5 devices show up in the latter part of 2012, unless Apple decides to put out a Cortex A15 A6 SoC earlier. NVIDIA has already shown its hand with Tegra 3, and Wayne won't show up until late next year as well."
So, we won't see Nvidia's 28nm quad core til later(or possibly next yr)...of which, it might be behind Apple, Qualcomm, TI... or at least in line with Krait & OMAP 5 launch.
And until we see some actual comparison between Qualcomm 28nm dual core & Samsung's A-15 SoC Exynos (which is just around the corner).... I'll hold my judgement on how it compares to Tegra 3.
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No, this is a particularly sensitive issue for him and I get that. I'm not trying to put down Nvidia, they deserve huge credit for the innovation they've applied in the mobile market. But, they've gone 180 degrees in another direction from their competitors with Teg3 and it’s yet to be proven whether that was the right decision. Leaving out NEON in Teg2 was certainly not a great decision and one they made in deference to time to market. It's odd that, as of now (February), there aren't any other Teg3 devices in production or even imminent (next 60 days). Unless there are some big Teg3-based devices announced at MWC it would appear manufactures may be a little skeptical too.
In product management the success (or failure) of a product is measured in years not months. While we all wait eagerly for the "next big thing" manufacturers weigh short-term gains vs. long-term success with $’s trumping all. With everyone having equal access to Teg3, Asus being first may have been a choice intentionally made by their competitors. Like so many things with the Prime, only time will tell.
When the transformer prime was first announced i thought it was a good time for me to come back to android as i was in the market for a laptop and i had just got a windows phone replacing me evo (moved out of sprint). And for $500 i can get a quad core laptop / tablet combo. Sounded like a sweet deal.
I am a web developer and i would of loved to be able to work on my websites on the road, or when ever iam away from my pc.
When i first got the prime it was the best thing since slice bread to me but after about a month reality hit yet again that even though it is a quad core, it has a keyboard dock, it. is. still. android.
Force close, lock up, force close. It is pretty much way too unstable to even attempt to code on. I've thought about rom-ing but nothing really has enticed me yet as all of them seem to have some kind of major issue (keyboard dock or what have you)
I've bought splashtop thd and this has been a great alternative, but there is always wifi issues if not with my home (or away) wifi or one of the devices acting up.
Will there ever been hope for possibly a windows 8 (i understand the serial numbers / illegal issues with it), ubuntu (or any linux distro), or even a chrome os on this thing?
or should i (i really love the primes form factor and cant find anything else like it) sell it and try and buy something like a zenbook?
too unstable to code..lol tell that to the several developers already making great things for prime. maybe you meed to be on latest release or flash a custom rom if you feel stock is sketchy. I'm on stock n had prime since 12/22 n been running great. overclocked to 1.6Ghz also.
as far as dual boot,eventually it'll come. we already have different versions or Linux you can put on Prime. plus several people using the prime to code and develop for the device itself. check out the development thread for ideas or to get a scoop of what's already possible n coming on the prime.
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too unstable to code..lol tell that to the several developers already making great things for prime. maybe you meed to be on latest release or flash a custom rom if you feel stock is sketchy. I'm on stock n had prime since 12/22 n been running great. overclocked to 1.6Ghz also.
as far as dual boot,eventually it'll come. we already have different versions or Linux you can put on Prime. plus several people using the prime to code and develop for the device itself. check out the development thread for ideas or to get a scoop of what's already possible n coming on the prime.
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Sorry demandarin, but you have no idea what you are talking about here custom roms aren't "made" on the device itself
At OP: windows 8 is more unlikely just because of the legal issues and xda's point of view concerning this.
Linux is just a matter of time though.
I think microshits have confirmed win8 will be pretty much locked down to windows phones dont stop some people though. there is work being done on dual boot, cant remember what post i saw though (i read a lot) though there is some good work being done with Linux where they run alongside each other, so you get andriod apps within the linux client. Then through linux running powerpoint. All pretty cool stuff, fairly sure we will be turning our primes into something amazing one day. Not that they aren't all ready cool (when you get a working one.)
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Prime has been more than stable enough for my development needs, give or take the crud WiFi where I work. What is lacking is tools for debugging web pages.
rom's aren't as unstable as you make them out to be.
windows 8 will be locked down and even if it is cracked, there are a slew of challenges following that. You're better off waiting for a windows 8 tablet.
Linux looks more promising - there are already dual boots for ubuntu on the tf101, it could use a lot of work but it's making progress.
Did you hear?
The Galaxy Note tablet was just officially announced today:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_off...axy_note_101_prior_to_its_event-news-4615.php
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Check out the interface where it allows multiple apps to appear on a single screen.
THIS multitasking ability is what I've been waiting for on Android platforms.
Any chance that we would see this kind of interface ported to our beautiful TF201?
What are your own thoughts? POST AWAY!
+1 to this post if you would like to see the same thing happening on our Transformer Primes!!
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If you did not know...then why not? If you did know then why did you use an exclamation mark instead of a question mark in the thread title?
There's already a system for this. Its called cornerstone. The problem is that is is so hard to implement into builds. There is a working build on rootz but it is not kept up or worked on.
But I do agree that something like this would be awesome to have on our tablets. There are many times I can use this.
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The new and improved Note 10.1 also has 2 gigs of ram. But from that video there's what 6 apps coded to do this?
Perfect tablet:
- Internals and software from Samsung
- Everything else (case and dock) from Asus
Nice tablet. The resolution and the type of display it uses is outdated though. Why didn't they go full HD? Aside from that, looks really good. I like the s pen feature. Why Samsung has to add touch wizard bloat on everything? Lol. I'm sure this device will run much faster/better with it removed or on a custom rom.
As for the interface, it looks cool but the chameleon one is more impressive. Its already in beta release. So this type of interface is here already for prime. Not to mention cornerstone builds being out for months already.
demandarin said:
Nice tablet. The resolution and the type of display it uses is outdated though. Why didn't they go full HD? Aside from that, looks really good. I like the s pen feature. Why Samsung has to add touch wizard bloat on everything? Lol. I'm sure this device will run much faster/better with it removed or on a custom rom.
As for the interface, it looks cool but the chameleon one is more impressive. Its already in beta release. So this type of interface is here already for prime. Not to mention cornerstone builds being out for months already.
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Actually, Samsungs year 2012 software is really good. The original ICS UI is more beautiful, but Samsung has made many good features in their rom and the "bloatware" UI runs as smooth if not even smoother than the original Android UI. Samsung has done some serious software optimization for their Exynos hardware and the UI and browser are using GPU acceleration efficiently.
If the default browser is even a bit as smooth as the browser in SGS3 then the Note 10.1 will be the first tablet that can be compared to iPad in terms of web browsing. The original Android web browser just is not as smooth as the default browser in iDevices, pinch to zoom lags more or less all the time.
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Actually, Samsungs year 2012 software is really good. The original ICS UI is more beautiful, but Samsung has made many good features in their rom and the "bloatware" UI runs as smooth if not even smoother than the original Android UI. Samsung has done some serious software optimization for their Exynos hardware and the UI and browser are using GPU acceleration efficiently.
If the default browser is even a bit as smooth as the browser in SGS3 then the Note 10.1 will be the first tablet that can be compared to iPad in terms of web browsing. The original Android web browser just is not as smooth as the default browser in iDevices, pinch to zoom lags more or less all the time.
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yeah it runs smooth on the video. not sure why not just come out with jb rom instead.
spec wise, this tablet exceeds expectations. my only gripe is the display. might be good for s pen usage but not sure how well itll be for watching 720p movies & such.
is it me or did the display look like it has a grid on it? or is this part of that particular display it uses to make good use of s pen?
i wish this tablet had a dock like prime/infinity pad. will be looking forward to more hands on reviews of it.
demandarin said:
Nice tablet. The resolution and the type of display it uses is outdated though. Why didn't they go full HD? Aside from that, looks really good. I like the s pen feature. Why Samsung has to add touch wizard bloat on everything? Lol. I'm sure this device will run much faster/better with it removed or on a custom rom.
As for the interface, it looks cool but the chameleon one is more impressive. Its already in beta release. So this type of interface is here already for prime. Not to mention cornerstone builds being out for months already.
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i wish this tablet had a dock like prime/infinity pad. will be looking forward to more hands on reviews of it.
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True. I am disappointed not any of the major Android makers havent brought their competitor for Transformer to the market. I think Asus needs a little kick to their ass from another manufacturers to get their software (or is it now the slow memory or something) up to a level it should be.
Lenovo's transformer type pad S2110 is suppose to be out in the US. Even though it is a dual core, it uses those Qualcomm next gen Krait cpu cores.
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Perfect tablet:
- Internals and software from Samsung
- Everything else (case and dock) from Asus
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yeah.. that way you'll have a performance beast with a screen that pops out, a dock that makes crispy noises when closed and a non-funtional gps ....
sorry but asus build quality isnt good ... it my look nice and thats about it...
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yeah.. that way you'll have a performance beast with a screen that pops out, a dock that makes crispy noises when closed and a non-funtional gps ....
sorry but asus build quality isnt good ... it my look nice and thats about it...
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Ok, lets change that to looks and materials from Prime but made by Sammy.
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yeah.. that way you'll have a performance beast with a screen that pops out, a dock that makes crispy noises when closed and a non-funtional gps ....
sorry but asus build quality isnt good ... it my look nice and thats about it...
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yea about that Crispy noises thing.
i just noticed that the other day with my dock. every time i close the tablet and dock, i hear a crispy noise almost sounds like glass breaking or sand in the glass pressing against it etc. it doesn't sounds good yet every time i look and clean the tablet and keyboard looking for anything that would cause interference i don't see or find anything. even pressing the glass to make sure nothing it loose or coming apart and I don't see anything.
wtf is that crispy sound.
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yea about that Crispy noises thing.
i just noticed that the other day with my dock. every time i close the tablet and dock, i hear a crispy noise almost sounds like glass breaking or sand in the glass pressing against it etc. it doesn't sounds good yet every time i look and clean the tablet and keyboard looking for anything that would cause interference i don't see or find anything. even pressing the glass to make sure nothing it loose or coming apart and I don't see anything.
wtf is that crispy sound.
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Do you have the screen lock sound on?
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It's the little screws beneath the rubber feet of the dock. There was a thread about it a while ago. I found a couple loose on mine after checking.
Carefully lift the feet, which are attached with double sided tape, and tighten the wee little screw hidden inside. My tape wanted to stay on the dock and not the foot.
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Nice tablet.
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I'll let you know. Mine's arriving Friday.
Why didn't they go full HD?
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I'm guessing because of the cost of a digitizer being made that much more granular on such a large display.
"While Samsung refused to confirm if the built-in digitizer is based on Wacom's technology, the company did reveal that it supports up to 256 levels of pressure sensitivity."
Why Samsung has to add touch wizard bloat on everything? Lol. I'm sure this device will run much faster/better with it removed or on a custom rom.
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That "bloat" is what's holding it all together. There's no native Android support for the level of screen sensitivity the Note has or for the psuedo-multitasking. Awake Stay and Pop-Up-Play are features from the SGS3 that have been carried over and make a lot more sense on a tablet than a phone.
As for the interface, it looks cool but the chameleon one is more impressive. Its already in beta release. So this type of interface is here already for prime. Not to mention cornerstone builds being out for months already.
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Good luck with 1GB of RAM.
BarryH_GEG said:
I'll let you know. Mine's arriving Friday.
I'm guessing because of the cost of a digitizer being made that much more granular on such a large display.
"While Samsung refused to confirm if the built-in digitizer is based on Wacom's technology, the company did reveal that it supports up to 256 levels of pressure sensitivity."
That "bloat" is what's holding it all together. There's no native Android support for the level of screen sensitivity the Note has or for the psuedo-multitasking. Awake Stay and Pop-Up-Play are features from the SGS3 that have been carried over and make a lot more sense on a tablet than a phone.
Good luck with 1GB of RAM.
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Wow, are you really? Hmm... I figured you would wait on Windows 8 tablets... if you waited this long since they are just around the corner.
Such as this one....
http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/08/lenovo-thinkpad-tablet-2-announced/
Of course, we will find more about W8 tablets soon from all OEMs.....
Edit: Btw, looking forward to your review...
hey buddy
BarryH_GEG said:
I'll let you know. Mine's arriving Friday.
I'm guessing because of the cost of a digitizer being made that much more granular on such a large display.
"While Samsung refused to confirm if the built-in digitizer is based on Wacom's technology, the company did reveal that it supports up to 256 levels of pressure sensitivity."
That "bloat" is what's holding it all together. There's no native Android support for the level of screen sensitivity the Note has or for the psuedo-multitasking. Awake Stay and Pop-Up-Play are features from the SGS3 that have been carried over and make a lot more sense on a tablet than a phone.
Good luck with 1GB of RAM.
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Long time no see please do a detailed review. Even better make a video of it. If it impresses me enough I might look into it(might be getting a new 10in. Tablet soon. Infinity pad seems to be the best out now but this tab is interesting and specs look good) I just wish the display was lil better. Its likely better in person.
But does the display really have a visible grid on it? Looked like it on the video. How good can THST be for watching movies or whatever?
I have a nexus7 now and loving the jellybean experience. This little tablet is a beast. I never thought I would like the 7in. Form factor so much. I already have it rooted and unlocked. Running stock rom and alternating between motley linaro based kernel with gpu OC to 520mhz and Morrific kernel. I/O is not an issue for me on nexus 7. On rl sqlite bench I get 16 secs. Overall now. On quadrant I'm scoring close to 7k+ overall and over 10k on I/O scores. Its funny how the budget priced nexus 7 has demolished all other android tablets in benchmarking. Its been all over the tech sites lately(about how nexus7 benches higher than any other android device when using Der kernel by mortiffic) One user scored over 7300 overall. And like over 14k on I/O. Even my chainfire benches show me crushing the Samsung galaxy S3 processor. My nenamark2 score is 64.7Fps. Nexus 7 is a great tablet period. Great developement support for it already and its still in infancy of release. All the best developers have one or plan on getting one.
So this is out in stores already? Uses quad core exynos?
Still rocking the tegra3 one X? I hear galaxy note2 is dropping soon. Might have flexible display like Sammy demonstrated before.
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shinzz said:
Wow, are you really? Hmm... I figured you would wait on Windows 8 tablets... if you waited this long since they are just around the corner.
Such as this one....
http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/08/lenovo-thinkpad-tablet-2-announced/
Of course, we will find more about W8 tablets soon from all OEMs.....
Edit: Btw, looking forward to your review...
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Only bad thing about THST Lenovo seems to be the fact its going to use an atom. Based on comments section on THST article, not fairing well with potential buyers. Is this the new variant(more powerfuk/battery friendly)described way back for tablets? What about those other Intel chips mentioned to be use by win8 tablets?
I'm always anxious to try latest tech but do you think e.mote might be right when he said might be best to wait for next generation win8 tablets. No matter if arm or Intel powered. This initial release of win8 tabs. Will have its growing pains.
demandarin said:
Long time no see please do a detailed review. Even better make a video of it. If it impresses me enough I might look into it(might be getting a new 10in. Tablet soon. Infinity pad seems to be the best out now but this tab is interesting and specs look good) I just wish the display was lil better. Its likely better in person.
But does the display really have a visible grid on it? Looked like it on the video. How good can THST be for watching movies or whatever?
I have a nexus7 now and loving the jellybean experience. This little tablet is a beast. I never thought I would like the 7in. Form factor so much. I already have it rooted and unlocked. Running stock rom and alternating between motley linaro based kernel with gpu OC to 520mhz and Morrific kernel. I/O is not an issue for me on nexus 7. On rl sqlite bench I get 16 secs. Overall now. On quadrant I'm scoring close to 7k+ overall and over 10k on I/O scores. Its funny how the budget priced nexus 7 has demolished all other android tablets in benchmarking. Its been all over the tech sites lately(about how nexus7 benches higher than any other android device when using Der kernel by mortiffic) One user scored over 7300 overall. And like over 14k on I/O. Even my chainfire benches show me crushing the Samsung galaxy S3 processor. My nenamark2 score is 64.7Fps. Nexus 7 is a great tablet period. Great developement support for it already and its still in infancy of release. All the best developers have one or plan on getting one.
So this is out in stores already? Uses quad core exynos?
Still rocking the tegra3 one X? I hear galaxy note2 is dropping soon. Might have flexible display like Sammy demonstrated before.
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Only bad thing about THST Lenovo seems to be the fact its going to use an atom. Based on comments section on THST article, not fairing well with potential buyers. Is this the new variant(more powerfuk/battery friendly)described way back for tablets? What about those other Intel chips mentioned to be use by win8 tablets?
I'm always anxious to try latest tech but do you think e.mote might be right when he said might be best to wait for next generation win8 tablets. No matter if arm or Intel powered. This initial release of win8 tabs. Will have its growing pains.
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The Intel ATOM the article is referring to is either Medfield (hopefully not) or Cloverfield (this is the dual-core one) SoC. The Intel Atom comments are referring to old Intel Atom processors... during the netbook days. And rightfully... they were weak....& those who had bad exp. with netbooks will probably be weary about it...
During Computex... Asus Tablet 810 was on Medfield... although, hopefully.. when it actually releases.. I hope it will be Cloverfield as pretty much all Atom based tablets will be on Cloverfield.
To break it down to you:
1.) Intel Medfield/Cloverfield & AMD Trinity vs. ARM SoC
This will be for cheaper version of Win 8 tablets. Medfield/Cloverfield/Trinity are x86 SoC that are designed to compete with ARM SoC.
2.) Intel i3/i5/i7 vs AMD FX, Phenom.. whatever AMD has next
This will be for those who need power (but crap battery life).
Again, if I were you... I'll stay away from WinRT.. or ARM tablets for Windows 8. Simply no reason to purchase them at launch....
I would go for Intel Cloverfield tablet.... or just one of the i3/i5/i7 ones.
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I figured you would wait on Windows 8 tablets.
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I survived Android 3.1 and Teg2 on a tablet with Android. I don't want to go through that again with W8. It'll take W8 tablets a while to shake out. Meantime ICS (and soon JB), decent SoC's, and Google getting in to the tablet business will accelerate the maturation of Android tablets. I really use my tablet for occasional productivity work like MS Office and usually editing not creating. Most of the time it's a consumption device and that's going to take W8 a while to get to the same level. I'm kind of disappointed in the non-HD display but the big get is the ability to use it for handwritten notes. From what I've read a great deal of W8, even in RT, isn't fully touch enabled. Depending on the degree that's true I think people will be disappointed. And don't laugh but being able to use it as a phone is a big benfit too. For Skype and long conference calls its massive battery will come in handy. My old G-Tab's on my plan as an extra phone so unlimited voice, messaging, and data is the same $20 a month.
Here's a link to the users manual. It's got some pretty cool features. Suffering from ADD (jk) the ability to watch movies via Pop-Up-Play and do other stuff is pretty cool. It also has Buddy Share social tagging for pictures which works with local shots as well as anything you import. It's really like a big SGS3 minus NFC.
http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/c...ng_Icecream_English_120803_PC/start_here.html
demandarin said:
Long time no see please do a detailed review. Even better make a video of it. If it impresses me enough I might look into it(might be getting a new 10in. Tablet soon. Infinity pad seems to be the best out now but this tab is interesting and specs look
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I've been lurking but it's been pretty quiet around here. Maybe that's because I stopped stirring the pot. I was looking at the Infinity because it's supposed to come out in a 3G version. The QC issues are tamer than what the Prime launched with but still there. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
I just wish the display was lil better. Its likely better in person.
But does the display really have a visible grid on it? Looked like it on the video. How good can THST be for watching movies or whatever?
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I'm guessing it's a totally different display than what's been used in the past because of the digitizer. The G-Tab 2's display was noted as inferior to the original by the reviewers. And god I hope the grids not visible; that would suck.
Even my chainfire benches show me crushing the Samsung galaxy S3 processor.
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I know you like benchmarks. Someone posted one. It's better than the SGS3 I'm guessing because of the lower resolution of the display and additional RAM. Going from my One X to my old G-Tab was painful. I'm looking forward to my tablet at least keeping up with my phone.
So this is out in stores already? Uses quad core exynos?
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Negri got some 16GB 3G models in. They gave one to TechnoBuffalo to do an unboxing vid. All the labeling was in spanish so I'm guess this early batch is from Latin America. It's not cheap but based on the European pricing it would be about the same if I waited for it to be released in the UK because of the exchange rate. The 16GB Wi-Fi versions's supposed to be $499 I think. It's the same Exynos/Mali SoC that's in the SGS3 with an additional GB of RAM.
Here are the specs if you're interested.
http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxynote/note_10.1/
I'm glad you guys are still hanging out. It's kind of like old home week.