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Hi,
I tried the iphone 2G trick to get Unlimited data (2G).
I get it, and put back the sim in my SGS2.
And it still get the speed of HSPA
Weird
is it safer now to move to Personal Smartphone dataplan (30 vs 20)
What's the iPhone 2G trick? It'd still be HSDPA speeds as that's what the SIM allows. The phone is restricted to to 2G and the carried will be able to see what speeds you're getting and move you to a limited package if you're not careful.
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Att can call it whatever they want. But for unlocked devices you get unlimited data 2g/3g/H/H+ on your device depending on your carrier and whats available in your area.
I could have got the unlimited non-smartphone plan but I stuck with the 2g iphone plan just incase I ever get an att device I will still have grandfathered unlimited data.
To be on safe side incase you ever use your att upgrade, switch to the grandfathered unlimited 30 plan.
I can't tell from his post but he may be on AT&T in the U.S. They have a dumb-phone unlimited data plan that you can use on a smartphone as long as they don't have the phone's IMEI in their database. A lot of us in the U.S. are using it with the SGS2 and getting HSPA+ speeds for $20 a month including unlimited MMS. Helps offset the ridiculous prices we've paid for the phone.
To future proof your data plan, I would say ge the $30 data plan or stay on the unlimited 2g iphone plan.
There is no point of the iphone 2g trick, if you switch to dumbphone plan.
Sorry, yes i am in us with ATT
Ok I see, so as long as the IMEI is not in ATT database, so i can use it.
If one day our cheer SGS2 has it IMEI in ATT, so my plan may be revoke in worst case or will be grandfather.
So if i want to futur proof at 100% it is better to go to the $30 smartphone plan (I still have my inspire)
Thx
There absolutely no chance att will have an unlocked version uk or anyother non att branded phone in there database.
The only few phones(and small %) were unlocked nexus one and dell streak imei were in att database.
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hate to bring back a thread thats several months old but i was wondering if the dumbphone plan still works for getting unlocked/UK GS2 phones to have unlimited HSPA+ data?
jerseykat1 said:
hate to bring back a thread thats several months old but i was wondering if the dumbphone plan still works for getting unlocked/UK GS2 phones to have unlimited HSPA+ data?
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Yup. I'm on it. Though it is probably throttled. The fastest speed I've gotten is around 6.5mbps, and I average around 3-4.
ctomgee said:
Yup. I'm on it. Though it is probably throttled. The fastest speed I've gotten is around 6.5mbps, and I average around 3-4.
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Would you mind sharing your APN settings? are you using the cingular apn settings?
just got my phone and i was originally getting about 3mb down, but now i am getting 1.6 mb down, but it could just be because of the rom that i am running.
jerseykat1 said:
Would you mind sharing your APN settings? are you using the cingular apn settings?
just got my phone and i was originally getting about 3mb down, but now i am getting 1.6 mb down, but it could just be because of the rom that i am running.
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Using wap.cingular. My speed varies quite a bit. 1.6 isn't that bad.
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EDIT: just ran again. got 1.885 down, .999 up. Last 4 results before that are:
4.1 down, 1.05 up
5.36 down, 1.05 up
2.37 down, 1.01 up
2.97 down, 1.13 up.
So, all over the place.
your right, it does vary quite a bit. i was able to get a few 4-5 pulls, then a few 3-4 pulls. So that is fine, still faster then what i am coming from at almost any given time.
Thank you.
Hello All! First off, this is my first post on this forum, and I must say, that I am glad to be a part of a "community" that is passionate about mobile technology!
Question: I currently use an iPhone 3Gs on AT&T. I have the unlimited data and text message plan. If I decide to purchase an unlocked GS2, will my 3G sim card out of my iphone work in the GS2? Also, will I be able to keep my unlimited data and text plan?
Thanks in advance!
As far as I know, and from my experience. Yes.
I am also on that plan, and it works great for me in NYC. HSPA+ 95 percent of the time.
yes, because technically, youre not cancelling the original plan.
Thanks for the reply everyone! So just to clarify, my regular iPhone 3G sim will fit and work on the GS2? Will I only be able to receive 3G connectivity since I don't have a 4G sim or data plan?
Yes it will fit but not sure about the other question.
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Anyone know if I will only be able to receive 3G connectivity since I do not have a 4G sim card? Also, will I have to call in to AT&T customer service to have them activate the GS2?
jroc151 said:
Anyone know if I will only be able to receive 3G connectivity since I do not have a 4G sim card? Also, will I have to call in to AT&T customer service to have them activate the GS2?
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You will receive 4g speeds ( actually hsdpa + which att calls 4g)
U dont need to activate ur phone in att to get it to work with data or phone
To activate the 4g network for ur phone u will need an imei from atrix or other ATT 4g plan.
The imei of SGS 2 wont show up in ATT network as a 4g phone as they do not have that data base.
There is big thread here on how to thistopic - The pages 8-11 , I think are more fruitful
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1109983
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drgopoos said:
You will receive 4g speeds ( actually hsdpa + which att calls 4g)
U dont need to activate ur phone in att to get it to work with data or phone
To activate the 4g network for ur phone u will need an imei from atrix or other ATT 4g plan.
The imei of SGS 2 wont show up in ATT network as a 4g phone as they do not have that data base.
There is big thread here on how to thistopic - The pages 8-11 , I think are more fruitful
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1109983
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Thanks for the info drgopoo! How do I go about obtaining a valid 4G IMEI from such devices?
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Thanks for the info drgopoo! How do I go about obtaining a valid 4G IMEI from such devices?
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i used my wife's atrix. Some people had luck by going to the att store and getting one from one of the reps
Even though I love the GS2, having to locate a "4G IMEI" to get the phone to work on AT&T sounds like too much work!
Hate to say it, but I think I may end up waiting for the AT&T variant (ATTAIN) to come out this year. Sucks there isn't a release date in sight as of yet!
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Even though I love the GS2, having to locate a "4G IMEI" to get the phone to work on AT&T sounds like too much work!
Hate to say it, but I think I may end up waiting for the AT&T variant (ATTAIN) to come out this year. Sucks there isn't a release date in sight as of yet!
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The phone WILL WORK on AT&T no matter what. You will get H+ service no matter what. However if you are switching SIM from a 3G phone, most likely your H+ speed will be capped at like 6 Mbps. To unlock at&t backhaul that is not capped, you OPTIONALLY may want to call in an ask them to change your existing plan to the plan they have for AT&T certified 4G devices like the Infuse. In order to do that, AT&T needs a random IMEI number from such a device. You can give them ANY number. Just stop buy AT&T store, take a look at a display Infuse, go to menus to see the IMEI and take a picture of that screen, then give that number to AT&T rep.
This is just how their plan changing software works, it needs a capable IMEI to put you on the "4G" network.
Just to reiterate , by default imported SGS2 will work on 3g and 4g on AT&T, 4G "may-be" capped though at 6 or so Mbps. I personally do not give two ****s about this capping because only on a rare day I can get more than 3 Mbps in my market (New York) where AT&T sucks tremendously. So I did not bother to call in and upgrade.
Note though, that you do NOT want to call in and upgrade if you are on a dumbphone plan.
Why would you not go back to Media Net plan? It costs 10 bucks with messaging plan, its unlimited and you get H+ speed.
drgopoos said:
You will receive 4g speeds ( actually hsdpa + which att calls 4g)
U dont need to activate ur phone in att to get it to work with data or phone
To activate the 4g network for ur phone u will need an imei from atrix or other ATT 4g plan.
The imei of SGS 2 wont show up in ATT network as a 4g phone as they do not have that data base.
There is big thread here on how to thistopic - The pages 8-11 , I think are more fruitful
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1109983
Hope this helps
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Thanks for the info.
I am currently using my Unlimited Data plan of my iPhone 4 on my SGS2.
I bought this simtray that can hold the micro sim so it fits in the SGS2.
The speeds I get are on the so called 4G network H+ but I am not that impressed for now.
Right now the Upload speed I get is 2.2Mbps Down / 0.79Mbps Up and 138ms Ping. I believe this could be better.
I guess I will try to get the IMEI changed with an Atrix as mentioned.
*Update*
So I just talked with ATT over chat when I logged on to their website.
I lied to them and told them I had an ATT ATRIX 4G and needed the right speed.
They asked me for the IMEI, so I searched for an ATT ATRIX 4G IMEI on Google , they changed it on my account and now I have unlimited HSPA dataplan.
I did some tests with the APN both give more or less the same results but the area I am currently at is not that great for H+ but I did see improvement in the upload speed.
Right now I have 2.39Mbps Down / 1.03Mbps Up and 142ms ping.
Will try it out tonight when I am more close to H+ areas but my iPhone SIM just works fine in my SGS2
kreoXDA said:
This is just how their plan changing software works, it needs a capable IMEI to put you on the "4G" network.
Just to reiterate , by default imported SGS2 will work on 3g and 4g on AT&T, 4G "may-be" capped though at 6 or so Mbps. I personally do not give two ****s about this capping because only on a rare day I can get more than 3 Mbps in my market (New York) where AT&T sucks tremendously. So I did not bother to call in and upgrade.
Note though, that you do NOT want to call in and upgrade if you are on a dumbphone plan.
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I currently have the unlimited data plan on my iPhone 3Gs. I do not want to lose it downgrading myself to the cappeed bandwidth plan. Will the standard AT&T 3G sim card (non-micro sim chip) work in the GS2? Does the imported GS2 come with a sim tray?
Flupken said:
Thanks for the info.
I am currently using my Unlimited Data plan of my iPhone 4 on my SGS2.
I bought this simtray that can hold the micro sim so it fits in the SGS2.
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The GS2 doesn't not come with a sim card tray???
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I currently have the unlimited data plan on my iPhone 3Gs. I do not want to lose it downgrading myself to the cappeed bandwidth plan. Will the standard AT&T 3G sim card (non-micro sim chip) work in the GS2? Does the imported GS2 come with a sim tray?
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The GS2 doesn't not come with a sim card tray???
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No SIM tray in the package, SGS2 was not build for Apple converts.
Your unlimited 3G will be grandfathered if you put that SIM (with your own adapter) into the SGS2.
Further, I believe (but am NOT sure) you can call in and ask them to "mark" your grandfathered unlimited plan as 4G by telling them your new device is an Infuse or Atrix and giving them the IMEI, per the numerous posts here. I repeat, I did NOT do it myself, so I can't 100% assure you can do it and will not lose anything.
I just upgraded my Unlimited 3g plan to 4g and at&t accidentally put me on the 2gb limited plan and removed my txt messaging. Don't know how the rep made this mistake.
Wasnt a big deal to resolve and get back the unlimited plan. Just make sure you clarify multiple times.
Btw, my 4g and 3g speeds suck in salt lake city. Can't get higher than 2mb download.
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I just upgraded my Unlimited 3g plan to 4g and at&t accidentally put me on the 2gb limited plan and removed my txt messaging. Don't know how the rep made this mistake.
Wasnt a big deal to resolve and get back the unlimited plan. Just make sure you clarify multiple times.
Btw, my 4g and 3g speeds suck in salt lake city. Can't get higher than 2mb download.
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My understanding is that once you switch from 3G to 4G, AT&T will remove the unlimited data and ask to put you on one of their new data plans. THis is how they are getting people to let go of the unlimited data. Is this true?
The guy in the att store never switched my unlimited plan from a 3g unlimited to 4g unlimited. The last couple days my data has been so slow. Facebook loads and stuff but xda app sometimes takes forever to load like im on Edge or something. If i go into the browser and go to www.google.com sometimes it just wont load. Phone shows 4 bars of 3g and the lines are indicating data being sent but it never loads. 3g in my area was super fast with my iphone. Speedtest shows 1mbit at first and drops down to like. .87mbit by the time the test is done.
Any ideas?
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Uh, either go back to the store and have them switch you to the 4G unlimited, or log into your account online and switch it, or call up customer service and have them switch it. The sales rep you bought it from is stupid for not doing so when you bought it. My guess as to why you are getting such slow speeds is that you are getting throttled. How much data do you normally use/have you used this bill cycle? If you are getting throttled, then switching to the new LTE unlimited plan should reset your throttling hopefully, but as soon as you reach around 2gb of data, expect to be throttled again.
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Uh, either go back to the store and have them switch you to the 4G unlimited, or log into your account online and switch it, or call up customer service and have them switch it. The sales rep you bought it from is stupid for not doing so when you bought it. My guess as to why you are getting such slow speeds is that you are getting throttled. How much data do you normally use/have you used this bill cycle? If you are getting throttled, then switching to the new LTE unlimited plan should reset your throttling hopefully, but as soon as you reach around 2gb of data, expect to be throttled again.
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Current billing cycle only shows 1345mb. So i shouldnt be getting throttled. The data does work though most of the time. So. I still need to switch it to the 4g? I dont know much about the service side of Att. I just figured if it worked it was fine.
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Not only switch to LTE but if you don't have one already, you'll need an LTE SIM card as well.
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Not only switch to LTE but if you don't have one already, you'll need an LTE SIM card as well.
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Okay. I looked at my sim and the last two digits on the sim is 27. No markings on it at all. Just blue and white. Doesnt even say 3g or anything like my old one did. I guess i didnt really bother asking the guy cause i figured he would know, and we dont have 4g around here anyways.
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Okay. I looked at my sim and the last two digits on the sim is 27. No markings on it at all. Just blue and white. Doesnt even say 3g or anything like my old one did. I guess i didnt really bother asking the guy cause i figured he would know, and we dont have 4g around here anyways.
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It would still be good to make sure you have the LTE sim card, and that you get upgraded to the LTE unlimited plan, even if you don't have 4G yet. It will still allow you to use 3G just fine.
I have a 3G unlimited plan and they tried to get me to change to a 4G plan but says they have no unlimited, ugh, come to find out all I had to do was get a LTE sim card & the store rep added the 4G code and voila magic, 4G without needing to change my plan
There is no such thing as a LTE sim. Its the data plan on your account that makes the difference. There are 3G, 4g and 4G LTE plans. If you have any data at all your on a correct plan. I have never seen a non LTE data plan work on a LTE phone. I have a Note on an unlimited LTE plan. Don't let bad reps lie.
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I have a similar problem. My wife bought me the phone and when she brought it home, I just took the sum from my Atrix and put it in. When accessing data, I get the 4G at the top. I am on the 3G unlimited plan as well. How do I know if the sim from my Atrix is 4G or not?
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Let me help you guys out:
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Okay. I looked at my sim and the last two digits on the sim is 27. No markings on it at all. Just blue and white. Doesnt even say 3g or anything like my old one did. I guess i didnt really bother asking the guy cause i figured he would know, and we dont have 4g around here anyways.
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The blue and white SIM cards are the old ones. You need an orange / blue SIM card.
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There is no such thing as a LTE sim. Its the data plan on your account that makes the difference. There are 3G, 4g and 4G LTE plans. If you have any data at all your on a correct plan. I have never seen a non LTE data plan work on a LTE phone. I have a Note on an unlimited LTE plan. Don't let bad reps lie.
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There are. The blue / white SIM cards do not officially support LTE. They should still work for call etc, but data may not work properly.
And yes, data does need to be re provisioned under "unlimited LTE"
RavenZwei said:
I have a similar problem. My wife bought me the phone and when she brought it home, I just took the sum from my Atrix and put it in. When accessing data, I get the 4G at the top. I am on the 3G unlimited plan as well. How do I know if the sim from my Atrix is 4G or not?
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Just go into any AT&T store and ask for a new SIM card. ALL the new ones are LTE compatible.
SIM cards are free too. Just have the rep do an equipment change to your new IMEI / SIM. You'll keep your unlimited data, you get your new free SIM which will work just fine on LTE, and your data count will be reset for that billing cycle.
dial *3282# and you'll see the old deactivated HSPA+ data plan next to your fresh LTE plan. This is also one of the ways to remove throttling. More details on THAT can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1517663
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Let me help you guys out:
The blue and white SIM cards are the old ones. You need an orange / blue SIM card.
There are. The blue / white SIM cards do not officially support LTE. They should still work for call etc, but data may not work properly.
And yes, data does need to be re provisioned under "unlimited LTE"
Just go into any AT&T store and ask for a new SIM card. ALL the new ones are LTE compatible.
SIM cards are free too. Just have the rep do an equipment change to your new IMEI / SIM. You'll keep your unlimited data, you get your new free SIM which will work just fine on LTE, and your data count will be reset for that billing cycle.
dial *3282# and you'll see the old deactivated HSPA+ data plan next to your fresh LTE plan. This is also one of the ways to remove throttling. More details on THAT can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1517663
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A lot of good info here. I do have a question though. I dialed *3282# and this is message I received back:
Next Bill Cycle: 03/02/2012
Data (MB): 720.6 of Unlimited (Deactivated)
Data (MB): 107.8 of Unlimited
Messaging: 6373 of Unlimited
Visit us online at www.att.com/DataPlans
So, besides the fact that I apparently send an exorbitant amount of text messages, I can assume the first Data line is the previous 3G unlimited plan, so does that make the second the LTE plan?
Also, you mentioned the color of sim cards. Mine is Blue/Orange/White on the front and orange on the back. Is this the one I need or do I still need to go into the store?
Thanks for all the info you've passed along so far.
Did you do a cross upgrade?
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Did you do a cross upgrade?
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What happened was, I talked about how I couldn't wait until March 15th so I could upgrade to the Note. My wife happened to be at the mall and stopped by one of those AT&T Kiosks and somehow convinced the guy to let her get upgrade early. I tried the same thing at AT&T store and they wouldn't do it. So she paid for the phone and brought it home. I took it out of the box, put my sim card in it and voila.
Not sure if that counts as a cross upgrade or not, lol.
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What happened was, I talked about how I couldn't wait until March 15th so I could upgrade to the Note. My wife happened to be at the mall and stopped by one of those AT&T Kiosks and somehow convinced the guy to let her get upgrade early. I tried the same thing at AT&T store and they wouldn't do it. So she paid for the phone and brought it home. I took it out of the box, put my sim card in it and voila.
Not sure if that counts as a cross upgrade or not, lol.
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Yes, it is because your account didn't get properly provisioned to use LTE data, your wife's account did. Call AT&T to have your account/data plan changed to LTE unlimited. It's that simple.
This. We went through al of it when the skyrocket released trust me. We have found the sim makes no difference unless its a really really old sim...but the provisioning is key
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Yes, it is because your account didn't get properly provisioned to use LTE data, your wife's account did. Call AT&T to have your account/data plan changed to LTE unlimited. It's that simple.
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Good thing I brought this up..... ;-) I know from experience about the new SIM As well as the provisioned data plan.
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Im just really confused about my data speeds. Wifi is super fast. 3g just isnt fast at all. Crawls. Web pages take so long to load. They shouldnt be throttling me. Im only at 1200 mb.
I cant clear the thought of it being a defect with the phone.
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Is anyone working on tweaking the AT&T Notes radio? I don't mean for TMobile, I mean so that HSPA+ as well as LTE are faster? The reason I ask, is I had/have an HTC HD2 that gets way better data transfer rates on 3g, than this phone does on HSPA+ in the same area. I have been able to hit 3-4Mbits down on this phone, and was getting 5-to almost 8 MBits on the HD2. (There have been a dozen plus radios on the HD2) The data speed on this Note is disappointing.
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Is anyone working on tweaking the AT&T Notes radio? I don't mean for TMobile, I mean so that HSPA+ as well as LTE are faster? The reason I ask, is I had/have an HTC HD2 that gets way better data transfer rates on 3g, than this phone does on HSPA+ in the same area. I have been able to hit 3-4Mbits down on this phone, and was getting 5-to almost 8 MBits on the HD2. (There have been a dozen plus radios on the HD2) The data speed on this Note is disappointing.
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I easily get 10MB down on my this phone on HSPA+, which is the same as my last phone. I'd say there is something wrong with your phone.
HSPA+
Are you running a stock rom? Mines rooted, but otherwise stock. Also, are you on AT&T?
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I easily get 10MB down on my this phone on HSPA+, which is the same as my last phone. I'd say there is something wrong with your phone.
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Are you running a stock rom? Mines rooted, but otherwise stock. Also, are you on AT&T?
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I've tested running completely stock, stock + rooted, and on The Collective Unofficial ROM.
Yes I am on AT&T.
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Is anyone working on tweaking the AT&T Notes radio? I don't mean for TMobile, I mean so that HSPA+ as well as LTE are faster? The reason I ask, is I had/have an HTC HD2 that gets way better data transfer rates on 3g, than this phone does on HSPA+ in the same area. I have been able to hit 3-4Mbits down on this phone, and was getting 5-to almost 8 MBits on the HD2. (There have been a dozen plus radios on the HD2) The data speed on this Note is disappointing.
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I'm running into the same issues. I am thinking that since I am a long time AT&T unlimited user, I only have two options available:
Note: I already unlocked, then rooted the stock with Odin, did a back-up with
Titanium, did a nandroid back from the phone, and loaded the clockwork recovery into my phone so that I can load ROMS easier.
Options:
1. Subscribe to AT&Ts NEW service options and I will be subscribed to their
new HSPA+/LTE club (give up unlimited) without any problems.
OR
2. Don't subscribe to any of their new plans, and stay stuck with the Edge and
3G, and Unlimited data services, all while the phone falsely shows 4G at the top of the screen.
My fastest down speed has been around 6.5 MB - depending on where I am while 4G was being displayed on the phone.
It seems to me that the HSPA+/LTE requires a special subscription.
Network Mode does not appear on my phone, so I can't ensure that it
it has a 4G service selected. I was looking for a fix that would turn my Network Mode back on.
I can see a defaulted APN titled AT&T PTA, but it is locked from edits.
If I set my phone to that defaulted AT&T PTA everything works but data. SpeedTest immediately displays, "Try Again".
In my Elixir application, if I choose "Turn WiMax(4G) ON,
I get the following in Elixir:
=====Data======
State: DcInactiveState
disconnected with last try at 4:38 PM
fail because
SERVICE_OPTION_NOT_SUBSCRIBED
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So, I think that either we need to figure out how to turn Network Mode back on,
for the AT&T Notes, or give up unlimited and go with their new plan.
Some kind of way it seems like a subscription may be tied into allowing HSPA/LTE speeds.
You don't have to give up your grandfathered unlimited plan for HSPA or LTE. They just upgrade you to the 4G version of the unlimited plan.
You may have to do it in an actual AT&T store (not a dealer) or over the phone with customer care.
Also these phones don't have wimax...
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You don't have to give up your grandfathered unlimited plan for HSPA or LTE. They just upgrade you to the 4G version of the unlimited plan.
You may have to do it in an actual AT&T store (not a dealer) or over the phone with customer care.
Also these phones don't have wimax...
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I've been on the phone with a couple of reps., been into an AT&T shop a few times, and they all keep telling me that I have to upgrade to their new plan which does not have unlimited. The best they could offer me was a 5 GB plan. Also, they said I have never been on a smartphone plan with them. Although, I was previously using an HTC HD2 (sounds like a smartphone too me), but it was not a smartphone registered in their system. Records show that I'm a razor user.
They have no record of the unlocked phones that have been using like the HTC HD2. So now, when I take that SIM out of the HTC HD2 and slide it into the Note, I'm not getting 4G.
And finally, they said that if I was previously on one of their Smartphone plans I would be able to transfer to the LTE service.
When I zoom out and look at the big picture, I don't think most people have a need for the extra speed anyway.
Any thoughts... I think I am stuck with the Edge.
4g vs 3g
Don't bother upgrading. I had unlimited, and am now on their 5gb a month plan with tethering. and I am not getting any faster speeds. I seriously doubt it's the plan, and I am getting billed for 4g.
Tecneek said:
I've been on the phone with a couple of reps., been into an AT&T shop a few times, and they all keep telling me that I have to upgrade to their new plan which does not have unlimited. The best they could offer me was a 5 GB plan. Also, they said I have never been on a smartphone plan with them. Although, I was previously using an HTC HD2 (sounds like a smartphone too me), but it was not a smartphone registered in their system. Records show that I'm a razor user.
They have no record of the unlocked phones that have been using like the HTC HD2. So now, when I take that SIM out of the HTC HD2 and slide it into the Note, I'm not getting 4G.
And finally, they said that if I was previously on one of their Smartphone plans I would be able to transfer to the LTE service.
When I zoom out and look at the big picture, I don't think most people have a need for the extra speed anyway.
Any thoughts... I think I am stuck with the Edge.
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Tecneek said:
I've been on the phone with a couple of reps., been into an AT&T shop a few times, and they all keep telling me that I have to upgrade to their new plan which does not have unlimited. The best they could offer me was a 5 GB plan. Also, they said I have never been on a smartphone plan with them. Although, I was previously using an HTC HD2 (sounds like a smartphone too me), but it was not a smartphone registered in their system. Records show that I'm a razor user.
They have no record of the unlocked phones that have been using like the HTC HD2. So now, when I take that SIM out of the HTC HD2 and slide it into the Note, I'm not getting 4G.
And finally, they said that if I was previously on one of their Smartphone plans I would be able to transfer to the LTE service.
When I zoom out and look at the big picture, I don't think most people have a need for the extra speed anyway.
Any thoughts... I think I am stuck with the Edge.
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I think maybe I misread your earlier post. Do you mean that you have an AT&T Unlimited plan (calling minutes, etc) or AT&T unlimited data plan?
If you have a grandfathered unlimited data plan, they should upgrade you to the unlimited 4G data plan with the new SIM card.
If you have the Unlimited calling plan, then you might have to suck it up and get one of the capped data plans if you really want LTE.
Either way, to get the faster data speeds you would need a new SIM card. The older SIMs (even from last year in some cases) can't handle the faster LTE speeds and can cripple the data speeds on the phone to the point you are describing.
I have the unlimited data and calling plan. Reps. just told me straight out that I will lose the unlimited data. But after reading Cobra's post, I have no clue as to what the real trigger is for making HSPA+/LTE work on my phone.
Well, I'm getting ready to strip everything to see how ICS looks, and then go from there..
I guess Cobra there is still no answer. You switched and it is still slow, I did not switch and it is still slow. Does the LTE service really exist
p.s. I can't wait until I don't have to challenge the image verification. I cannot understand those &^&%^ letters
Tecneek said:
I have the unlimited data and calling plan. Reps. just told me straight out that I will lose the unlimited data. But after reading Cobra's post, I have no clue as to what the real trigger is for making HSPA+/LTE work on my phone.
Well, I'm getting ready to strip everything to see how ICS looks, and then go from there..
I guess Cobra there is still no answer. You switched and it is still slow, I did not switch and it is still slow. Does the LTE service really exist
p.s. I can't wait until I don't have to challenge the image verification. I cannot understand those &^&%^ letters
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The reps are BSing you. I have a grandfathered unlimited plan & switched to a LTE unlimited plan by asking the rep to do it for me when I activated my I717. I came from a N7000 to an I717. Are you in a LTE area? I went from 3-6MB DL to 20-35ish MB DL, depending where I'm at.
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The reps are BSing you. I have a grandfathered unlimited plan & switched to a LTE unlimited plan by asking the rep to do it for me when I activated my I717. I came from a N7000 to an I717. Are you in a LTE area? I went from 3-6MB DL to 20-35ish MB DL, depending where I'm at.
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Good grief.. I'll try again at a new location. I'll simply tell them that I want to change my current unlimited plan to the LTE unlimited plan. I am in the Wash, D.C. metro area. They act like an LTE unlimited plan doesn't exist.
Cobra are you in an LTE area? I wonder why your speeds aren't up there if you are in fact on the LTE plan.
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Tecneek said:
Good grief.. I'll try again at a new location. I'll simply tell them that I want to change my current unlimited plan to the LTE unlimited plan. I am in the Wash, D.C. metro area. They act like an LTE unlimited plan doesn't exist.
Cobra are you in an LTE area? I wonder why your speeds aren't up there if you are in fact on the LTE plan.
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Oh, they looked at the SIM too and said it was a current SIM.
If you can send me the description of the svc as on the invoice I would appreciate..
XDA is no longer worth my time.
TimOster said:
I just picked mine up yesterday. Upgraded from a Nexus One. I still have the old SIM, it's disabled. I purchased the phone at the ATT store. Comes with a NEW SIM or you won't get LTE speeds.
1. Other than the upgrade fee, my monthly bill is the same. I still have my unlimited data plan, only since I'm LTE now I don't get throttled until I hit 5G.
2. I get 25M DL, 8.5 UL at my house. I live in San Diego. (depending on where I am. I tried here at work and got **** for DL, right next to thousands of iPhone users)
If someone is telling you different, they are lying.
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You guys got me feeling slighted over here Ok, I'm defintely going to follow-up again. I was wondering if your Nexus smartphone was a recognized AT&T phone. The pivotal point for grandfathering unlimited to LTE may be that they will do it only for THEIR phones that were previously recognized as smartphones. When they look up my records it comes back showing that I'm officially using one of their previous motorola razor phones, which at the time was not on a their smartphone plan, even though I was able to use the SIM in an unlocked non-AT&T HTC-HD2 without any problems.
So, maybe if you come from a recognized AT&T smartphone they will upgrade you, but if your last phone registered with them was not considered a smartphone while on an unlimited data plan, then they will not grandfather you in..
I gues it's worth another try.
p.s. thanks for helping me respond and overcome that *&^ image verification challenge
Tecneek said:
You guys got me feeling slighted over here Ok, I'm defintely going to follow-up again. I was wondering if your Nexus smartphone was a recognized AT&T phone. The pivotal point for grandfathering unlimited to LTE may be that they will do it only for THEIR phones that were previously recognized as smartphones. When they look up my records it comes back showing that I'm officially using one of their previous motorola razor phones, which at the time was not on a their smartphone plan, even though I was able to use the SIM in an unlocked non-AT&T HTC-HD2 without any problems.
So, maybe if you come from a recognized AT&T smartphone they will upgrade you, but if your last phone registered with them was not considered a smartphone while on an unlimited data plan, then they will not grandfather you in..
I gues it's worth another try.
p.s. thanks for helping me respond and overcome that *&^ image verification challenge
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No. It has to be an "unlimited smartphone data plan". If you have that no matter what phone you are using, you can keep it. Usually you can tell by how much you are paying for the data plan. There was a "unlimited" plan for other non smartphones for like $20 for phones like the Razor etc but the smartphone plan for what were known previously as PDAs was like $39.
So which one do you have? I am pretty sure if you only have the unlimited non-smartphone plan you cannot convert that to a smartphone unlimited plan...
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Yes, and I think there is a list of cities somewhere. Seattle area, as high tech as it is, does NOT have it yet, while smaller cities, and lower tech areas do? Doesn't make sense to me. So for now I am stuck with HSPA+
On my HD2, I had regular 3g speeds, then I did a radio change, and used the Rafpigna Froyo ROM, and suddenly I started getting speeds like my sig pic shows. My data is slower with this ROM, but from what I have been reading around the net, my speeds are pretty typical for a lot of the Notes on HSPA+
Forgot to mention that I installed the leaked ICS ROM, and it is very much worth doing. Data speed went up a little as well. Still not as much as my HD2 was though.
Tecneek said:
I have the unlimited data and calling plan. Reps. just told me straight out that I will lose the unlimited data. But after reading Cobra's post, I have no clue as to what the real trigger is for making HSPA+/LTE work on my phone.
Well, I'm getting ready to strip everything to see how ICS looks, and then go from there..
I guess Cobra there is still no answer. You switched and it is still slow, I did not switch and it is still slow. Does the LTE service really exist
p.s. I can't wait until I don't have to challenge the image verification. I cannot understand those &^&%^ letters
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The speed of the network will always vary greatly. They are completely based on your proximity to the tower and the current load from other users on the tower. Unless you can find a tower with no other users on it and you can repeat the test from the exact same spot, there is no way to compare speeds between phones, or even the same phone at different locations.
If you find some threads where people are reporting their speeds, you will see that they vary by massive amounts.
I can say that I am still onthe unlimited data plan and on stock ROM I was getting 10Mbps. It must be your area because my last phone was hitting max capability on HSPA @ 7.2 Mbps.
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Edit, just to clarify I went from a 3G only phone and finally got a 4G phone and I really don't thing they are trying to throttle your speeds just because you are on 4G with an unlimited data plan.
I was an AT&T rep from a long time ago (before cingular) and one thing that has held true is that all reps are told by corporate to push people into new plans no matter what. I was told as a rep by another rep that even something as swapping phones required new 2 year contracts which was and still is bull.
AT&T arbitrarily swapped my plan when I went from my G1 to a streak because they said I never was on a smartphone plan. I explained to them that I was on a blackjack and went to a G1 (paying $30 a month) and then I went to the streak. They told me tough luck and they were keeping me on the tiered data plan. I calmly asked for their manager, when I was transferred I exploded on the manager telling them that I call every time when I swap phones to make sure everything is good (not needing to upgrade my plan or anything) and that it was their screwup and if they're treating me like this I was going to leave. I promptly got an apology and asked for my current IEMI number and we were done. I threw in words and phrases like improper business practices, bait and switch and other such things. Managers have more "Say" on what they can do, you tend to get things taken care of because they just don't want to deal with you.
that's been my experience with AT&T, they're far from perfect, but if you start yelling and being upset, you're more likely to get what you want. Sad but true.
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Nope, no LTE in Seattle yet. Only HSPA+ Seattle is very high tech, and yet, no LTE here. One of AT&T's major data centers is here as well. Hard to tell why they are slow rolling it out here.
I don't get to see the invoices. My wife works for AT&T, and gets those. She did tell me I am being billed for 4g though.
Tecneek said:
Good grief.. I'll try again at a new location. I'll simply tell them that I want to change my current unlimited plan to the LTE unlimited plan. I am in the Wash, D.C. metro area. They act like an LTE unlimited plan doesn't exist.
Cobra are you in an LTE area? I wonder why your speeds aren't up there if you are in fact on the LTE plan.
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Oh, they looked at the SIM too and said it was a current SIM.
If you can send me the description of the svc as on the invoice I would appreciate..
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I have been using gophone service for the last year or so and it's so epensive. My mother on the other hand has been paying 45 bucks for unlimited talk/text. I pay 60 bucks a month for a 2gb data unlimited tet/talk package + 2 gig's of add'l data (80-90 bucks total a month)...She just got this 45 dollar package that contains 4 sim card's (2 micro/standard sim cards & 2 nano sim cards). Well I got her phone working (it wasnt hard, it's not a smartphone)..I used a micro-sim card, inserted it into the slot...The phone tells me to reboot so I did..I expect to see bars or something but nothing happens. I than went to the apn settings and it has att, att phone, att broadband, att lte, straight talk & straight talk.mnvo...None of them work and all of them are forcing me back to the 3g selection instead of LTE preferred...How can I active a sim card that isnt showing me the right apns to give my phone (lg optimus g e970) data ? I really have no desires to go back to at&t go phone service....ST would give me 2.5 gb of high speed data + unlimited data/text for 45 bucks a month (a big difference in money)....once you use up the 2.5 gb of data it switches to using 2g data for data....when you use all your data with gophone, you have to buy another 1gb data package (10 bucks)...I dont have wifi....
You may wanna be concise in your description of issues. Too much unrelated stuff mixed in, my eyes are losing track
Try this:
Name: straight talk
APN: tfdata
MMSC: http://mms-tf.net
MMS PROXY: mms3.tracfone.com
MMS PORT: 80
MMS:80
Authentication type: PAP
APN type: default,supl,mms,hipri
Also you may need to call straight talk to activate the sims
yeah that apn was already included, I selected it. I went back to the mobile settings menu and selected LTE as preferred than pressed the back button. I went back to mobile settings and it was on 3g...No bars, ...I guess I do need to call ST just to activate the card...the pack my mother got contains onlye 1 service pin card but comes with 4 different sim cards (all with different serial numbers)...I really thought Id be able to stick the sim card in my phone and it show me if I actually get 4g LTE service on this phone thru ST...I didnt want to pay the 45 or 60 bucks for a plan for it to not work than have to pay an additional 60 bucks for ATT go phone service. When ST did not work...I did check the compatibility thru the straight talk website. It did say the phone was compatible with the e970. If you have a 4g LTE phone, wouldnt you want 4g LTE and not just 3g or HSPA+
I'm on straight talk too. You get att 4g lte with straight talk on this phone
This isn't a shared plan, you and you mom can't both use one 45 dollars plan. If your mom use a dumb phone she can use the All You Need plan through straight talk, which is even cheaper than this.
Also don't get too excited, the 4g lte you get through straight talk isn't gonna be as fast as att customers.
optimusv45 said:
I'm on straight talk too. You get att 4g lte with straight talk on this phone
This isn't a shared plan, you and you mom can't both use one 45 dollars plan. If your mom use a dumb phone she can use the All You Need plan through straight talk, which is even cheaper than this.
Also don't get too excited, the 4g lte you get through straight talk isn't gonna be as fast as att customers.
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Im not sure Ive ever heard that before, but thanks for the heads up...I guess Ill stick with att go phone. So why did you choose straight talk and not att go phone ? the only reason I was thinking about getting ST was b/c of the 2.5 gb's of data given to the 45/60 buck plan and the fact that you still have data when you've used up the 2.5 gig's...With att go phone, you get 2 gb's with the 60 dollar plan...You have a choice of buying an additional 1gb package of 10 dollars...So say tommorrow when I get paid...Ill end up having 4 gb's of data...but all of that data is a constant speed, there is no cap on speed....I watch what I download, dont usually download anything over 10mb's when using data....Ive watched porn a few times (streams) but im not sure how much data is used to stream a short clip or a continuous stream....I know FB is a huge data hog, so I try to limit my time on FB...There is wifi around my neighborhood but I only use it when Im downloading roms
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Im not sure Ive ever heard that before, but thanks for the heads up...I guess Ill stick with att go phone. So why did you choose straight talk and not att go phone ? the only reason I was thinking about getting ST was b/c of the 2.5 gb's of data given to the 45/60 buck plan and the fact that you still have data when you've used up the 2.5 gig's...With att go phone, you get 2 gb's with the 60 dollar plan...You have a choice of buying an additional 1gb package of 10 dollars...So say tommorrow when I get paid...Ill end up having 4 gb's of data...but all of that data is a constant speed, there is no cap on speed....I watch what I download, dont usually download anything over 10mb's when using data....Ive watched porn a few times (streams) but im not sure how much data is used to stream a short clip or a continuous stream....I know FB is a huge data hog, so I try to limit my time on FB...There is wifi around my neighborhood but I only use it when Im downloading roms
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I had go phone long time ago. It was expensive so got rid of it for virgin mobile. Their beyond talk plan is 35, 300 minutes was not enough anymore, also tired of cdma phone so switched to ST. With ST you still get 2.5 gbs of data and unlimited 2g data after 2.5 is exhausted. The saving is what's real, man. Looks like you also work, so I'm sure you understand this. Prepare myself for an hour on the phone with ST retards if your switching your # over too
I stuck with at&t gophone....might do the switch later down the road..no idea, start college in may...do minds focused on that and everything
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optimusv45 said:
Also don't get too excited, the 4g lte you get through straight talk isn't gonna be as fast as att customers.
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It is here. I compared my ST speeds to two coworkers AT&T LTE phones last month. (Yeah, we're reeeeaaal productive some days.) Using the same servers, my speeds were nearly identical to one S4 and we were both a hair faster than a Samsung Note (3?) that we borrowed for the test.
All three were much faster than I was getting with a T-mo SIM for Simple Mobile, whether on LTE or or not. I'm leary of anything at Walmart, and I did have issues signing up and porting my number, but I've been happy with my three months on ST, especially after seeing more consistent coverage when travelling. I was mostly happy with T-Mo's network before I had an LTE-capable phone, but I'll stick to ST/AT&T.
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