Ok so i just heard the news, aparently the new iPad has a heading issue, when charging and playing games it can overheat to over 100 degrees!
Just thought i'd share the laugh, i sure did giggle at that one.
See? GPS issues dont seem so bad after all!
pileot said:
Ok so i just heard the news, aparently the new iPad has a heading issue, when charging and playing games it can overheat to over 100 degrees!
Just thought i'd share the laugh, i sure did giggle at that one.
See? GPS issues dont seem so bad after all!
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I think you got your units mixed up. The reports are that it's heating up to just over 100 F.
edit: I just noticed that you caught your error.
ya the original news report i heard had it mixed up, but still thats pretty hot, i wouldnt want to be holding that, or accidentally fall asleep when a game is running, might cause some damage
this is the beginnings of a huge issue down the road for new ipads. watch what i tell you. those devices won't last long St all constantly running at those high temps. people will get sick of their device shutting down on them and message popping up saying device needs to cool down. one thing about apple fans, they love to complain when there is an issue and they will let it be known. so expect this to continue to get major tech press coverage as time goes on. this could eventually become a fire hazard if its left on plugged in. device runs so hot and causes a fire or shortcircuit the wall adapter, which could cause a fire. everyday at those temps and new Ipad chips won't last longer than a few months before burning out or burning some other component up. some even reported half of the glass getting very hot to the touch. one reason could be because apple is pumping 2x the power into display to keep it running. it uses a very un-efficient way of back lighting the display. I saw it in a tech article where they broke down new Ipad display saying its good but far from perfect. Samsung has to jump through hoops to make that tricky display work.
Well, I exchanged my iPad 2 for the kids at local BB. Upgraded to iPad 3.
Few days of use and my little girl complained to me that the it actually burnt her. I guess she had it laying on her lap.
I didn't have a cover on it. I took the piece of crap back and demanded a refund. They have the old iPad 2 back now.
Apple fans need to cool off. *Badum tsh*
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I can life with suboptimal wifi reception as long as I dont burn my precious lap.
But yeah applefanboys feel the "heat of excitement" about their device... *bad one tsh*
Put some kippers on the barbie Sheila
iBarbeque
Seriously though, hope they sort it out, for the customers sake
I guess you might say that the new iPad is a...
(puts on sunglasses)
hot seller.
YEEEAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!
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35°C ? Not much .. my prime is much hotter when I'm playing for 2hours withs super ips mode. Same this for sgs - 50°C or hotter. 35°C is not so much.
Wait a minute. A hundred degrees F? So a whole degree and a half higher than normal body temperature.
Is this a problem in devices the size of tablets? I'm new to tablets, but that's nothing compared with the old 939 CPU in my tower.
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Well, I exchanged my iPad 2 for the kids at local BB. Upgraded to iPad 3.
Few days of use and my little girl complained to me that the it actually burnt her. I guess she had it laying on her lap.
I didn't have a cover on it. I took the piece of crap back and demanded a refund. They have the old iPad 2 back now.
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seriorously? that is crazy. you should've sued apple for it and let all the news media know so it can get serious press on it...lol. time for apple to be exposed. things are heating up on this issue...lmao
Ya, it can be uncomfortable for some. My prime runs nice and cool reguardless what games im playing.
I gladly take a reduced screen resolution for increased performance, not to mention the increased heat is going to cause damage to the battery.
And there are some reviews where if you have it in direct sunlight and start something intense the increased heat from just being outside can cause it to shut down!
You might not think one or two degrees makes a difference but consider if you have a body temp of 100F you likely feel really sick. If your body temp hits 116 like these ipads are getting, you are likely dead.
Anyways, i hope you all had a good smile at this, too much negitivity towards the prime on this forum hopefully this lightened the mood a little
100 degree must mean Celsius as most cpu run between 50 to 80c. 100c would be out of control lol. If it is burning her lap its more than 100f. Although, if the case is running 100f without proper cooling the cpu would run MUCH MUCH higher.
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100 degree must mean Celsius as most cpu run between 50 to 80c. 100c would be out of control lol. If it is burning her lap its more than 100f. Although, if the case is running 100f without proper cooling the cpu would run MUCH MUCH higher.
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Ya, the CPU is likely much higher. The reports I have seen are saying the case itself is reaching 116 degrees F (specifically after running Infinity Blade for 45 minutes). Also, under normal usage the iPad 3 runs 10 degrees hotter than the iPad 2.
I can totally see this blowing up in apple's face (I can only hope). This may result in a recall depending on how it plays out. Because it's not just the heat thing, they are saying it is drawing so much juice while playing a game for example that the battery won't even charge when plugged in. And as others have mentioned, heat and electronics don't mix well.
I don't want to start Apple bashing, but the list of problems with the 'New' iPad put the TP problems into perspective.
There are reports that the battery won't charge:
http://gizmodo.com/5894988/people-are-having-trouble-charging-their-new-ipads?tag=apple
& there are WiFi problems:
http://gizmodo.com/5895145/does-the-new-ipad-have-wi+fi-reception-problems
It seems that many devices can have (widespread?) issues. Unfortunately, some people on these forums seem to be exaggerating the Primes problems and it becomes very difficult to properly evaluate the situation. The problems with the Prime have been magnified to a hysterical level, I wonder if the same will happen with the iPad...?
I hope the problem with the heat is a result of the GPU. That put all of these people to the rest who complain about Tegra 3's performance. It's easy to build a big chip with such a performance. But it's complicated to control the heat and power consumption.
Icook..best seling Ipad app
Now I just have to get an Ipad 3...cant wait for the first developer to make an app called Icook, can you imagine taking a morning break from playing games, then turning the Ipad over and frying some eggs and bacon on it for breakfast!! Android has lost son??!!!
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I don't want to start Apple bashing, but the list of problems with the 'New' iPad put the TP problems into perspective.
There are reports that the battery won't charge:
http://gizmodo.com/5894988/people-are-having-trouble-charging-their-new-ipads?tag=apple
& there are WiFi problems:
http://gizmodo.com/5895145/does-the-new-ipad-have-wi+fi-reception-problems
It seems that many devices can have (widespread?) issues. Unfortunately, some people on these forums seem to be exaggerating the Primes problems and it becomes very difficult to properly evaluate the situation. The problems with the Prime have been magnified to a hysterical level, I wonder if the same will happen with the iPad...?
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it will. Asus and prime was ever as popular as apple. so our issues were only major to us. it isn't like our issues get national t.v. press coverage. anything apple does is under a microscope. so when the mess up, they do it big. plus apple complainers are some of the loudest voices heard. this will soon enough generate t.v. coverage. I didn't even hear about the battery not charging up issue. SMH. so the reality behind new Ipad launch is really starting to show. apple will have it worse because they sell in such large numbers. meaning huge amounts of people likely to have this issue. I smell another lawsuit coming apples way. they deserve it since they always want to patent troll on smaller companies.
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I don't want to start Apple bashing, but the list of problems with the 'New' iPad put the TP problems into perspective.
There are reports that the battery won't charge:
http://gizmodo.com/5894988/people-are-having-trouble-charging-their-new-ipads?tag=apple
& there are WiFi problems:
http://gizmodo.com/5895145/does-the-new-ipad-have-wi+fi-reception-problems
It seems that many devices can have (widespread?) issues. Unfortunately, some people on these forums seem to be exaggerating the Primes problems and it becomes very difficult to properly evaluate the situation. The problems with the Prime have been magnified to a hysterical level, I wonder if the same will happen with the iPad...?
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I heard a spokesman for Asus say that there was less than 1% of Primes that had reported problems. That's not to say that only 1% actually HAVE problems (my GPS doesn't work well enough for navigation, but I don't care because I never intended to use it for that) but less than 1% of Prime customers are dissatisfied with their devices. That seems about right to me, given that almost all of the complaints that I see in these forums seem to be from 1-2 people who got bad Primes.
To put that into perspective, I read a quote from an Apple spokesperson who said that "87% of (new) iPad customers are reporting no problems." That means that 13% are reporting problems. That is ridiculous.
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Here is the link for the "87% perfect" bit: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1343130
And the "Less than 1% reported problems" article with Gary Key: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...ansformer-prime-in-perspective/#ixzz1n99nZyEM
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I was just wondering, how hot is too hot for the battery? Like at what temp does it start to get dangerous ie cause physical damage to the phone
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I was just wondering, how hot is too hot for the battery? Like at what temp does it start to get dangerous ie cause physical damage to the phone
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i'm trying to remember how hot my EVO got last summer around when i saw that bright spot on the screen issue .. i want to say above 100F i would start paying closer attention.
right now mine is sitting at 88.8F after charging over night. i'll keep watching and see how the temperature ranges. i really haven't paid much attention.
i know gaming can be intensive and run up the temperature. on the CDMA version, a weak signal can also run up the temperature.
i haven't heard too much about over heating issues with this device yet. hopefully they weren't be many issues!
edit: i used the free batterylife widget from the android market to monitor the temperature. idk how *accurate* it is but it seems to function pretty decently over the last few android devices i've owned.
I live in Texas and we have this thing they are calling a "Heat Dome" that has been over Texas for quite a while now. 20+ days in a row of 100* degree temps Anyway, I work outside (god help me) and my 3vo does just fine. I never really looked to see the temps it is reaching, just know that it works just as good as when I am inside.
On another note I heard on the radio yesterday that obama's hatred of Texas due to its thriving economy and not falling to obama's deliberate destruction of the U.S. Economy, or joining the rest of the U.S. in 18% unemployment that the "Heat Dome" may be created by the government to "punish" Texas for what we are and what we stand for! This Heat Dome has been sitting primarily over Texas the whole time it has been around, makes you wonder. Oh, we also voted for McCain, not that he would have been much better than obama, LOL. 2012 can not come soon enough!!!
/end political rant
I have been looking to purchase the galaxy s 2 for some time now. I've read about alot of problems with the phone but I played with the at&t version and it is super fast, beautiful screen, perfect size and has a great camera. The biggest thing that's keeping me from purchasing it is the audio quality from the headphones. Is it as good as the Iphone 4 or Zune HD(which is my favorite music player) from your experience? Next, hows the battery life compared to the iphone 4 which has great battery life and the only android phone that matched it from my experience was the nexus one. If I do decide to purchase the galaxy s 2, should I get the international version or the at&t version as Im getting them both off-contract. One more question, what kind of 3g speeds are you guys seeing in NYC with the international version and at&t version? Thanks
Now is not the time to get a Galaxy S II in my opinion. Wait for the Prime to come out and either decide on Prime or 4S
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My brother just told me that he can get the at&t galaxy s 2 for only $430 so I'll just buy it and if I dont like it, I can sell it for 450-500. I'm really hyped for the prime but I dont know when they are gonna release it and I want to get a new phone over my iphone 4. I dont want the 4S as Im kind of bored by IOS and it was barely an upgrade over the Iphone 4 and I was disappointed, but IOS 5 looks nice.
Wait for prime bro'.
And if I was in New York, I'd sold mine to you.
I recommend you to wait mate, there are some problems with galaxy s2 that still has not been corrected (im running 2.3.4 because i havent got an update few weeks ago greater than that on kies).
The biggest problem with this phone is the retarded overheating, it overheats ALOT when recording at 1080p and playing a decent ammount of games, (i experience overheating issues mostly in 3D games like asphalt 5, Motor Academy, dungeons defenders and more. The overheating issue is a huge downside mainly because it cannot let you enjoy your game without feeling that boiling effect on your fingers and the fact that i worry most of the times for it to not melt the circuitry board inside, like it has happened before with other people (ive only read 1 guy having this problem so far).
But there are also other problems, the oled screen still blurrs, its faster than an lcd but blurr is still there, viewing angles shifts hue to a bit of blue, if u put solid colors like pure gray on whole screen, you will notice the color displays with a different contrast on different parts of screen, the camera displays a pink circle on the screen when in medium lighting conditions viewing white walls or other objects that occupies the whole screen.
Speaker quality is average, there might be more but i cant remember them right now.
This is the best phone i know right now but i recommend you to wait for a better one, hopefully without these problems, if u cant wait and rly like oled then this might be the best one so far.
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I recommend you to wait mate, there are some problems with galaxy s2 that still has not been corrected (im running 2.3.4 because i havent got an update few weeks ago greater than that on kies).
The biggest problem with this phone is the retarded overheating, it overheats ALOT when recording at 1080p and playing a decent ammount of games, (i experience overheating issues mostly in 3D games like asphalt 5, Motor Academy, dungeons defenders and more. The overheating issue is a huge downside mainly because it cannot let you enjoy your game without feeling that boiling effect on your fingers and the fact that i worry most of the times for it to not melt the circuitry board inside, like it has happened before with other people (ive only read 1 guy having this problem so far).
But there are also other problems, the oled screen still blurrs, its faster than an lcd but blurr is still there, viewing angles shifts hue to a bit of blue, if u put solid colors like pure gray on whole screen, you will notice the color displays with a different contrast on different parts of screen, the camera displays a pink circle on the screen when in medium lighting conditions viewing white walls or other objects that occupies the whole screen.
Speaker quality is average, there might be more but i cant remember them right now.
This is the best phone i know right now but i recommend you to wait for a better one, hopefully without these problems, if u cant wait and rly like oled then this might be the best one so far.
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WHAT? Dude if you have all those problems then you should return your device and get a replacement because i got none of them. This phone is seriously phone of the year and this is my first samsung device. If sammy keeps this up then i am in for good. And about screen getting real hot... I got that problem in the first weeks but then after an update the problem went away. Using lates villainrom now. But like every other dual-core smartphones the phone gets hot when you use it for a long time... Again this happens to every dual-core smartphones as the cpu uses alot of power. And to the op, I seriously recommend you to get this device, unless you're thinking about getting the prime then you should wait a few more weeks. But i dont think that the prime will be much better then SGS2 except better screen.
Umm i don't think you can call it overheating for the sgs 2. In the sense that it is not overheating, it is simply expending the amount of heat proportionate to the amount of work being done. it's like when you play crisis 2 on your computer, your computer gets really hot right? Well an average computer per say, not a prepped, or modded one.
So like the computer, the sgs 2 is bound to heat up since you are forcing it to perform at such high levels, meaning big 3d games, 1080p, etc. To summarize, with great power comes great heat.
Which brings me to another speculation, how bad will the prime or iphone4s heat up? if the Mali does this bad, I'm wondering how the sgx543 will do since it has atleast twice the performance.
Anyways onto your own matter, I'd rather wait than get a half year old device despite the enormous pros.
The SGS2 is kinda cheap now, and it will be even cheaper when the Prime will be out. This phone has good specs, it won't grow old that fast, so i wouldn't go mental for whatever comes next. Anyway, i'd wait a little if i were you
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Umm i don't think you can call it overheating for the sgs 2. In the sense that it is not overheating, it is simply expending the amount of heat proportionate to the amount of work being done. it's like when you play crisis 2 on your computer, your computer gets really hot right? Well an average computer per say, not a prepped, or modded one.
So like the computer, the sgs 2 is bound to heat up since you are forcing it to perform at such high levels, meaning big 3d games, 1080p, etc. To summarize, with great power comes great heat.
Which brings me to another speculation, how bad will the prime or iphone4s heat up? if the Mali does this bad, I'm wondering how the sgx543 will do since it has atleast twice the performance.
Anyways onto your own matter, I'd rather wait than get a half year old device despite the enormous pros.
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Well then, im not sure what u call melting the circuitry board, but i call it overheating.
as for whoever told me that i should change the phone because someone else got none of those issues, i had changed it 2 times and all 3 i had, had the exact same problems, you probably dont get overheating because you either dont use it for the same apps or games as i do or u have possibly underclocked it or have some sort of battery saving application, or maybe even an unnoficiall firmware, these problems are part of all s2 phones it has been checked plenty of times by plenty of experienced people in this forum, they are nothing new.
PS: i doubt iphone will have such issues, maybe their battery will explode again or maybe it will loose signal if holded with left hand, but i doubt itll have overheating issues, there are some dual cores out there and none have such issue as sgs2 has, it has nothing to do with it beying stressed to much, its either a hardware building fault or a software issue.
The S2 is pure gold still when Prime is out, the phone got no problem at all IF and only IF you follow the root instructions/rom installation instructions step by step, if you forget something, you probably end up with problems. (most forgotten is to install kies drivers or to not shut down kies while flashing with odin).
Prime is gonna be the top phone, so it can be worth wait.. but sure the S2 (2nd best phone by then) will cost about 200 less.
I bought the SC2 right after the iPhone 4s was announced, not regreting, and don't think the the prime will be much better, I probably buy the s3 when it comes out next year.
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Buddy just go for the phone that YOU want...Galaxy S2 is for me a top top phone..dual core gorgeous screen and memory is great....regarding audio i cant find any faults with it..you have different equalizer settings and you can adjust it to your liking....
regarding the overheating issues i have occured them as well when i first got my phone....since ihave rooted it though and have got my custom rom and kernel that i am using that has gone away now and im experiencing great battery life....like the post above the next handset for me will be the s3....
iphone 4s if the screen was a tad bigger i would of gone for that....but as i said if you cant wait for the prime then s2 is the one for you buddy
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Well then, im not sure what u call melting the circuitry board, but i call it overheating.
as for whoever told me that i should change the phone because someone else got none of those issues, i had changed it 2 times and all 3 i had, had the exact same problems, you probably dont get overheating because you either dont use it for the same apps or games as i do or u have possibly underclocked it or have some sort of battery saving application, or maybe even an unnoficiall firmware, these problems are part of all s2 phones it has been checked plenty of times by plenty of experienced people in this forum, they are nothing new.
PS: i doubt iphone will have such issues, maybe their battery will explode again or maybe it will loose signal if holded with left hand, but i doubt itll have overheating issues, there are some dual cores out there and none have such issue as sgs2 has, it has nothing to do with it beying stressed to much, its either a hardware building fault or a software issue.
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Well overheating for me means it is expending so much heat whilst doing so little. Meaning it is heating up even though it is on standby or screen off.
Melting the circuit board I think is natural if you expect it to handle so much. Because when the GPU or processor demands so much power/electricity in proportional to the process, and the process is a big one, then of course it will need a lot of power. And where does the power go? Well the wasted becomes heat. And personally i don't think you can compare other past dual cores as none are nearly as good in architecture as the exynos or in fact perform as close, side from the A5.
And yes I do experience great heat when I play games like dead space, dungeon defenders, and so on. But i expect it since the phone is trying its utmost best to perform. Meaning it is trying its best to play at 60fps or more when it isn't needed. Now a solution maybe to cap the GPU and CPU to only produce frames at say 24fps or so. That may fix "overheating".
Note however that above is sincerely speculation as i have no idea how the SoC operates.
My personal experience after 4 weeks with the S2:
It´s great as a fast multimedia device (great images from Camera, HD Video recording and playback of movies and films, internet browsing), but if you plan to use it MUCH as a phone stay away... speaker quality is quite poor, you may experience trouble with echoes due to failing noise redcution, volume with headset is very low.
Other MAJOR downsides i found, compared to other droid phones:
Wlan signal strength very poor, around 20% lower signal rates that LG Optimus. Also 3G signal strenth is poorer than LG. Really disappointing.
AMOLED display is overrated, colors of images are distorted and very unnatural (reds, blues) compared to standard LCD (i´m a photographer so i know how my images should look).
Ob btw,if you plan to use the S2 as a GPS car navigation device forget it, because the battery will be charged at a max rate of 650 mAH even if your car charger can deliver more - at least with Navigon your battery will drop even when charging! What a joke!
Long story short: don´t buy unless you can get it for under 200 USD.
Nexus Prime. Simple.
Or Nokia WP7 if you can wait.
wait for primee buddy, i'd do it
Might wanna look at this phone. Its has all the latest technology packed into a sexy slim stylish design.
http://www.recyclinglives.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/old-mobile-phone-355x360.jpg
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Might wanna look at this phone. Its has all the latest technology packed into a sexy slim stylish design.
http://www.recyclinglives.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/old-mobile-phone-355x360.jpg
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You're on to something there!
- Also useful for hand to hand combat.
- privacy, no one will be trying to snoop a look at your screen.
- outdoor hobby requirements, you'll never be afraid of doing an army assault course knee deep in mud with it in your pocket.
My sgs2 , while good, isn't great at meeting the above points.
Go with what agrees with you.
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You're on to something there!
- Also useful for hand to hand combat.
- privacy, no one will be trying to snoop a look at your screen.
- outdoor hobby requirements, you'll never be afraid of doing an army assault course knee deep in mud with it in your pocket.
My sgs2 , while good, isn't great at meeting the above points.
Go with what agrees with you.
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Yea I read somewhere it can be used as a baseball bat too. I wish my gs2 could do that . I loose count the amount of times I've left mine at home while out shopping and I've spotted some chavs.
I belive that the nexus Prime will be on pair wih the Galaxy S2
Well it appears this is a design flaw!
When they where designing it they should have used some plastic! Using all metal backing makes the signal weak as hell!
Even if they can fix this problem idk! It would still be really weak!
For an example if you look at the ipad there is plastic for the Apple logo behind this is the wifi anttena!
Hopefully the back really is plastic and they did not overlook that problem! And it's just imperfections in the antenna!
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I am pretty sure the Asus tech guys aren't totally dumb. I think they know about problems with WiFi and metal...
I guess the antenna is somewhere in the bezel. Anandtech (i think they were the ones) said that with their new unit wifi was okay, but it depends on the holding angle of the prime.
So it seems we DO have to take some comprises for having a full metal back. But I think I can life with that
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I am pretty sure the Asus tech guys aren't totally dumb. I think they know about problems with WiFi and metal...
I guess the antenna is somewhere in the bezel. Anandtech (i think they were the ones) said that with their new unit wifi was okay, but it depends on the holding angle of the prime.
So it seems we DO have to take some comprises for having a full metal back. But I think I can life with that
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Yeah but even still It's not a tablet unless you get great Internet signal!
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I am pretty sure the Asus tech guys aren't totally dumb. I think they know about problems with WiFi and metal...
I guess the antenna is somewhere in the bezel. Anandtech (i think they were the ones) said that with their new unit wifi was okay, but it depends on the holding angle of the prime.
So it seems we DO have to take some comprises for having a full metal back. But I think I can life with that
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Anandtech said the new unit was better, but not as good as the original Transformer in terms of WIFI.
Don't assume that ASUS is not capable of making such a stupid mistake. There have been lots of cases of top tier companies shipping out products with such design flaws, and I don't think ASUS is in the category of top tier company. I work in a fortune 500 company, and we get the first batch of a lot of laptops, and we test them before the workers get them. Sometimes I'm amazed at the lack of basic quality control when these devices first come out. It's like they ship out beta hardware.
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Anandtech said the new unit was better, but not as good as the original Transformer in terms of WIFI.
Don't assume that ASUS is not capable of making such a stupid mistake. There have been lots of cases of top tier companies shipping out products with such design flaws, and I don't think ASUS is in the category of top tier company. I work in a fortune 500 company, and we get the first batch of a lot of laptops, and we test them before the workers get them. Sometimes I'm amazed at the lack of basic quality control when these devices first come out. It's like they ship out beta hardware.
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There is not one doubt in my mind Asus wasn't aware that the WiFi was wearker than the TF101. However you have to realize unless the performance literally was unacceptable by whatever QC standards they have, they are able to pass the design, build the product, and ship it. Fact is only because a couple top tier reviewers recieved units that weren't up to the standards of the rest, they decided to handle the situation the way they did. In fact if they weren't aware of it, they probably would've let the stock stay as is, launch as normal, and say that "there are a small number of reported cases" as companies usually do.
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Anandtech said the new unit was better, but not as good as the original Transformer in terms of WIFI.
Don't assume that ASUS is not capable of making such a stupid mistake. There have been lots of cases of top tier companies shipping out products with such design flaws, and I don't think ASUS is in the category of top tier company. I work in a fortune 500 company, and we get the first batch of a lot of laptops, and we test them before the workers get them. Sometimes I'm amazed at the lack of basic quality control when these devices first come out. It's like they ship out beta hardware.
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This happened with Apple and the Iphone 4. The antenna was located in the bottom
right of the phone and signal was lost when you had your hand over it.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5178/an-update-on-transformer-prime-battery-life-wifi-issues
"Using Ookla's Speedtest.net web app I get a consistent 34 - 37Mbps on the original Eee Pad Transformer (our actual WiFi performance tests involve downloading a file from a local server, but Speedtest was a quick and easy way to verify the problem). My original Prime review sample averaged around 0.5Mbps, while the replacement Prime got around 10Mbps - all in the same test location. Fiddling around with location I could get the replacement Prime up to 16Mbps. My test area is riddled with challenging interference so I setup a separate test area in another room. Even after buying the same Netgear WNDR4500 wireless AP that ASUS verified 31Mbps+ operation on, I wasn't able to break 16Mbps.
I have four other APs covering my house, I turned all of the radios off as a last ditch effort. Boom - 36Mbps on the Prime.
The culprit appeared to be either my 3rd gen Time Capsule or 5th gen Airport Extreme, with those radios off and using the WNDR4500 I was able to get performance competitive to the original Transformer. Here's where things get interesting. The original Transformer was made out of plastic, through which RF travels quite nicely. The Prime's metal construction makes things a bit more finicky. Indeed this is exactly what I saw, where depending on tablet and AP orientation I'd see anywhere between 10Mbps and 36Mbps downstream (average speed tended to be in the 15 - 20Mbps range). "
I also think it's a mistake to assume that other reviewers would necessarily notice this problem. Other reviewers might not have tested WIFI performance at all.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/5178/an-update-on-transformer-prime-battery-life-wifi-issues
"Using Ookla's Speedtest.net web app I get a consistent 34 - 37Mbps on the original Eee Pad Transformer (our actual WiFi performance tests involve downloading a file from a local server, but Speedtest was a quick and easy way to verify the problem). My original Prime review sample averaged around 0.5Mbps, while the replacement Prime got around 10Mbps - all in the same test location. Fiddling around with location I could get the replacement Prime up to 16Mbps."
I also think it's a mistake to assume that other reviewers would necessarily notice this problem. Other reviewers might not have tested WIFI performance at all.
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No one is doubting the performance isn't up to par with the TF101. It's obvious it's not. Again Asus was well aware and thought it would slip by well because of something called everyday use. If it wasn't noticed by other reviewers it's for a reason, they tested it under normal use circumstances and found it to be quite acceptible. I am in no way making excuses for Asus or the design but it is what it is. Anandtech however doesn't test like that and which is why they were able to find such a flaw. It's all about a matter of usage.
I'm about to dump my pre-order. This whole release date debacle pissed me off, and now if there is possible WIFI issues...it might be a bad investment. I've been asking myself if I really need a tablet anyhow, and the answer is probably not.
please dump it.. saves it for the people who want it.
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I'm about to dump my pre-order. This whole release date debacle pissed me off, and now if there is possible WIFI issues...it might be a bad investment. I've been asking myself if I really need a tablet anyhow, and the answer is probably not.
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I'm glad I didn't do the pre-order thing. I don't want to be first in line for this. I'll wait until it is generally available, and there has been time for reviews of retail units. Let other people be on the bleeding edge
I have not been close to cancelling my preorder up to this point but if this wifi issue is confirmed I may be tempted to buy the original TF. Especially considering they keep showing OOS open-box Transformers for $185 on a particular website we all know and love. If I see one in stock I think I will go that route until this issue is worked out.
I wish some more reviewers would do in-depth testing on this issue.
I hope they don't make it thicker with a redesign! It seems line it already was redesigned once aka the one poorly placed speaker...
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I hope they don't make it thicker with a redesign! It seems line it already was redesigned once aka the one poorly placed speaker...
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Haven't you ever seen a proper Wifi antenna? They at least as thick as your finger.
So they NEED to make it a lot thicker.
Otherwise we'll never get a proper Wifi signal.
You may better get a different device.
I am really not sure if you are trolling... But be assured, I AM.
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Haven't you ever seen a proper Wifi antenna? They at least as thick as your finger.
So they NEED to make it a lot thicker.
Otherwise we'll never get a proper Wifi signal.
You may better get a different device.
I am really not sure if you are trolling... But be assured, I AM.
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Well I'm just saying maybe they should have put a real wifi antenna in the dock also...
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I am pretty sure the Asus tech guys aren't totally dumb. I think they know about problems with WiFi and metal...
I guess the antenna is somewhere in the bezel. Anandtech (i think they were the ones) said that with their new unit wifi was okay, but it depends on the holding angle of the prime.
So it seems we DO have to take some comprises for having a full metal back. But I think I can life with that
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They were dumb enough to test the Wifi after they've mass produced the thing instead of before. What makes you think otherwise?
Folks, let's tell the whole story here. What Anandtech also said:
I have four other APs covering my house, I turned all of the radios off as a last ditch effort. Boom - 36Mbps on the Prime.
The culprit appeared to be either my 3rd gen Time Capsule or 5th gen Airport Extreme, with those radios off and using the WNDR4500 I was able to get performance competitive to the original Transformer. Here's where things get interesting. The original Transformer was made out of plastic, through which RF travels quite nicely. The Prime's metal construction makes things a bit more finicky. Indeed this is exactly what I saw, where depending on tablet and AP orientation I'd see anywhere between 10Mbps and 36Mbps downstream (average speed tended to be in the 15 - 20Mbps range). Apple gets around this issue in the iPad by putting the WiFi antenna behind the plastic Apple logo, however it's not entirely clear to me where the WiFi antenna is on the Prime (I have this policy about not taking things apart until I'm done testing them).
As to why performance was lower with the Apple APs active, I'm not entirely sure. Chasing down RF interference issues can be a severe undertaking. One thing is for sure, the Prime is going to be far more finicky than its predecessor when it comes to reaching peak speeds over WiFi.
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I know that the folks at Anandtech are smart people, but it seems like the reviewer conflated some things here. I don't know how much testing he did AFTER turning off the Apple AP's, but it sure seems to me like the fluctuating results he's talking about were from before he did so. Perhaps the Prime is fine in general but just had an interference issue with the Apple APs that actually resolved itself just fine once they were turned off.
Why would there be this kind of interference with the Apple APs? I have no idea, except that it would point to something in software and not hardware. But until we have someone who does a really good job of detailing precisely where a non-defective Prime has wifi issues, I'm personally writing this off to something being broken in his first unit.
True, he did say he could get it to 36Mbps "depending on tablet and AP orientation I'd see anywhere between 10Mbps and 36Mbps downstream (average speed tended to be in the 15 - 20Mbps range)"
This, along with:
ASUS feels the WiFi range does not currently meet their standards and has delayed all shipments worldwide. At the moment there is no ETA and noinformation on available quantities on the first batch.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=20155626
As a comparison, AnandTech shows the Kindle Fire's WiFi maxes at 15.2, and I couldn't get close to that in my own tests.
i posted in multiple threads my concerns about the wifi issue when the anandtech and cnet reviews came out. i've canceled my preorder at jr but will keep my adorama and bestbuy preorders for now though. all hype i had for this thing is completely gone. now i'm like whatever.
If Anandtech was able to get full WIFI speed turning off other AP's than that points more to an interoperability issue that should be correctable through firmware/driver rather than antenna/hardware design.
Hello everyone.
I bought my Z2 from Amazon.com. So, As you know, We can replace the phones in 30 days.
I'm in USA for now. And I'll return my hometown after 25 days later from now on.
Here is my problem:
I bought the Z2, and I was aware of that issues that "Heating, Gap between speaker, self-cracking issues etc". But Still, I bought It because I listened my heart and the Z2 the is best phone btw.
The Problem that is blows my mind : The Over-Heating. I'm not talking about the "4K Recording over heating" I know that I have this issue and I don't care about this.1080p is still good.
The thing that I care about, the phone is getting warmer after using 10-15 minutes.
For example; I tested In room temperature, 20-25 C, I've played the game "Hungry Shark" about 10 minutes. Phone got warmed but it's acceptable. After 5 minutes more, It was like I heated the phone under sun and I don't like that.
Even in browsing, Facebook, whatsapp, or other applications, my phone gets warmer too quickly. And while charging, even without using my phone, It gets warmer a little bit.
Anyone who has the same issue or this is really normal ? Should I go for a replacement?
Because I've upgraded z2 from my retired Desire HD and It never get that much warmer.
I appreciated. Thanks.
I'd day that's completely fine. My Z2 heats up quite easily to. Battery is atm 38 degrees and I'm only on WiFi and using XDA app. Glass conducts heat much worse than for example metal (or so I think ). Also since the phone is waterproof and thus sealed it heats up more easily. I doubt that you have to worry about the heat, unless the phone gets really uncomfortable to hold. If it gets too hot it will throttle down and ultimately shut down to prevent it from getting damaged.
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Samsung Galaxy S I9000
Asus Padfone 2
Sony Xperia Z2
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Glass conducts heat much worse than for example metal (or so I think ). Also since the phone is waterproof and thus sealed it heats up more easily. I doubt that you have to worry about the heat, unless the phone gets really uncomfortable to hold. If it gets too hot it will throttle down and ultimately shut down to prevent it
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Glass is an insulator, metal is a conductor other than that +1.
Please bear in mind you've upgraded from a 1ghz single core CPU to a quad core monster, I'd be astounded if it wasn't getting appreciably hotter.
Its gonna make a very high tech hand warmer in winter time, thats a bonus
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I'd day that's completely fine. My Z2 heats up quite easily to. Battery is atm 38 degrees and I'm only on WiFi and using XDA app. Glass conducts heat much worse than for example metal (or so I think ). Also since the phone is waterproof and thus sealed it heats up more easily. I doubt that you have to worry about the heat, unless the phone gets really uncomfortable to hold. If it gets too hot it will throttle down and ultimately shut down to prevent it from getting damaged.
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Samsung Galaxy S I9000
Asus Padfone 2
Sony Xperia Z2
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I really appreciated your answer. I hope that it is true that there is some kind of "over-heat protection" or something. But still I'm thinking about it because many other phones, I mean LG G3, they don't have such kind of issue.I mean I've never heard about such kind of thing on forums.
I don't want to say goodbye to my Z2 because I really love the feeling of it. But I have to decide before I returned back to my hometown.After that, it'll be impossible to get a replacement. I want to emphasise that after 4 years, I upgraded my phone and I'm not that kind of person who changes his phone after using it 6 months .
I want to use that phone like for a long time. And something brand-new which is overheating... Makes me think.
Thank you for other answers, and that bonus feauture make me laugh
So, Any other answers from Z2 users ?
I thought u can only return your phone within 30 days if it hasn't been used?. Are u after a replacement or refund?. I got mine from amazon uk, and also have heating issues. My 6yr old always complains it gets to hot when he plays games, never had that issue with my 5s.
gibbo82 said:
I thought u can only return your phone within 30 days if it hasn't been used?. Are u after a replacement or refund?. I got mine from amazon uk, and also have heating issues. My 6yr old always complains it gets to hot when he plays games, never had that issue with my 5s.
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You can return your phone in 30 days. That's what's written in return policy.
I don't know what I'm after at.I couldn't decide what to do. But it seems that everybody has that issue.It's quite easy to heat Z2.
I've got mine from amazon .com. But the good news is that I bought a case for my handset and at least I don't feel the heat so much.
Btw, What is your batch number? Could you check yours ?
Mine is 14w28.
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I really appreciated your answer. I hope that it is true that there is some kind of "over-heat protection" or something. But still I'm thinking about it because many other phones, I mean LG G3, they don't have such kind of issue.I mean I've never heard about such kind of thing on forums.
I don't want to say goodbye to my Z2 because I really love the feeling of it. But I have to decide before I returned back to my hometown.After that, it'll be impossible to get a replacement. I want to emphasise that after 4 years, I upgraded my phone and I'm not that kind of person who changes his phone after using it 6 months .
I want to use that phone like for a long time. And something brand-new which is overheating... Makes me think.
Thank you for other answers, and that bonus feauture make me laugh
So, Any other answers from Z2 users ?
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The G3 has overheating problems. My G3 idles at 55degC and during gaming It got very,very hot. It also dropped frames during gaming due to the thermal throttling.
In comparison my Z2 is cool.
I've not had this issue with my z2. It maybe because I don't play games and its winter but general browsing and string HD over LTE only make KT slightly warm. And obviously it only gets warm towards the top where I expected the processor to be. People shouldn't expect processors to stay warm. Even the latest Intel processor can idle at 30 bit the minute you put stress on it, its gonna jump several degrees. This should be a given for any processor
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You can return your phone in 30 days. That's what's written in return policy.
I don't know what I'm after at.I couldn't decide what to do. But it seems that everybody has that issue.It's quite easy to heat Z2.
I've got mine from amazon .com. But the good news is that I bought a case for my handset and at least I don't feel the heat so much.
Btw, What is your batch number? Could you check yours ?
Mine is 14w28.
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I'm pretty sure you can only return it in a unused condition.
A friend has a 32 gig one for sale for just $75.00 in new shape. Should I buy it?
alan081954 said:
A friend has a 32 gig one for sale for just $75.00 in new shape. Should I buy it?
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If "good shape" means no stalls, lags, freezes, or reboots, probably should. It depends what you plan on doing with it. It gets hot (upper right back corner) when web surfing. Great for videos, though. I don't do games so don't know about that.
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When it works, its actually a very nice tablet to use. The issue is that it tends to get hot under the collar very quickly and then freezes meaning that a reboot is needed. It is normally at this point that I tend to launch it across the room or seek retribution in other ways. In testament to its build quality, it left a large hole in the plaster on the wall and came out of it unscathed, likewise, having been bounced off of the floor on numerous occasions and banged against counter tops, it doesn't appear to have suffered anything untoward!!!
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When it works, its actually a very nice tablet to use. The issue is that it tends to get hot under the collar very quickly and then freezes meaning that a reboot is needed. It is normally at this point that I tend to launch it across the room or seek retribution in other ways. In testament to its build quality, it left a large hole in the plaster on the wall and came out of it unscathed, likewise, having been bounced off of the floor on numerous occasions and banged against counter tops, it doesn't appear to have suffered anything untoward!!!
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Aaaaaaaand, some of us take tablet gaming a little bit too serious. Web surfing and media consumption don't warrant such extremes. Serves me well most of the time. Got some bubbles on the screen in the corner though so...
75 bucks is a good price for it though.
I like the N9 for the most part. The CPU is one of the fastest ARM processors and it renders web sites and PDF files quite well. That's mostly what I want out of a tablet.
It plays games alright, but it will inevitably throttle. It gets hot. It's really too hot of a chip for tablet gaming. This is not unique to the Nexus 9 though. Throttling and resulting erratic performance are pretty commonplace. The Nintendo Switch is an interesting showcase of solutions to that - a fan and low clock speeds for the Tegra X1.
My main complaints about the N9 would be that it really should have 4GB RAM and that the EMMC storage chip seems a bit slow. Slow storage performance is usually the cause of system hitches and stutters. The OS is waiting on reads/writes to complete. I've had lots of tablets/phones like this though and the Nexus 9 is definitely not bad. It's just not impressive when you compare it to a modern upper-end phone.