We know, we know. Better wifi/gps. But what else?
On my list would be:
Battery/energy performance improvements - When I watched the tegra 3 videos for months before it came out I expected a steep increase in battery life performance over my tf101. Although the processor is faster - the battery life is about the same as my tf101, if not slightly worse. 28nm tegra 4 SoC's may improve this - but when I say improvements I want real improvements, not just what apple did with the ipad 3, improve the tablet but not the battery, just put a bigger battery in instead.
GPU improvements over display improvements - This is sort of related to the first improvement. I still fail to see the need for a 1080p+ screen on such a small device. It's a battery killer and 720p is sufficient, maybe a little more would be nice, but what's more important is the gpu. I see the need for a faster gpu, gaming is still in the ps2 / xbox phase - we need to jump up to current day graphics. I can live happily with a 720p display with more battery life and better graphics capabilities.
Less bezel. Self explanatory.
Ability to add folder shortcuts to the homescreen in the stock file manager. This is an essential feature.
More RAM. Even the crappiest netbooks on the market are upgradeable to 4gb, a little more wouldn't hurt.
USB on tablet. An edge the tfp has over the ipad is memory expansion. There is cloud software available - but weening mobile users off of usb isn't going to happen any time soon.
And most importantly...
Production. Asus won't let themselves succeed, they always second guess their products and then on release they are impossible to obtain. Preorders on both the tf101 and prime were backed up for weeks if not months. Asus, manufacturer more than enough to meet the demands of consumers because it's embarrassing when apple can move 3m ipads in 3 days but you can't make a hundred thousand in 3 months. If you can't meet demand - your sales won't increase.
I'm hoping next generation of Asus tablets after infinity pad will have Tegra4 in it. that will be even greater battery life and a dramatic boost in CPU and GPU performance. ill be holding on to my prime till then. nothing I've seen out from the competition makes me want to get rid of the Prime or seem more powerful than it. but honestly I get great battery life on my prime considering how much I use it and the kind of games and emulators I'm running on it. I easily get 10hrs. + battery life. Some may think this battery life not good enough but its the best Android has right now. Prime has the longest lasting battery of any tablet out now. according to Asus own specs, prime will still have better battery life than the Infinity pad or the new 300. the 300 actually has the shortest battery life, I believe. I could be wrong. but I know prime has the longest lasting battery life of all Asus tablets out now or coming out! that's been announced
Quality test the mess out of their next device, if any problem is spotted via web browsing, opening apps, connecting it to a larger TV monitor. Then they need to hold off until releasing it until they get it resolved.
The Transformer Prime should have shipped with all issues ironed out. So the consumer don't have to deal with these issues. Apple does this for it's iphone and iPad, ASUS should have done this or the Transformer Prime.
Default file manager is not perfect. Would love to see improvements aka incorporate what ES and Astro have been doing for a long time.
Better Inputs. The microSD card sticking out is stupid. Just make it more recessed. Same for the Audio jack, only half of it is in, the rest is exposed. Some times I drop audio in one ear, not sure, but I bet its due to this.
Better default features for lockscreen.
Speaker placement, maybe we need two speakers? The location is not great.
Keyboard keys on dock feel cheap. they are light, but when the battery already weighs what it weighs, just give me nicer keys.
WTF. How could ASUS let those chargers out of the factory. If they are plugged in one way, and you hold your tablet, it gives you a fuzzy jolt!
The tilting mechanism of the tablet on the dock kinda makes the tablet fall backwards when open. all the weight of the device is right at the back... it falls backwards all the time for me.
The build quality of the dock. If you pick it up from the side where the tablet docks, the underside metal bows & will make a clicking sound for me. The four rubber circles on the bottom of the dock aren't even! If i set my docked tablet on the table, it will still slide around cuz only 2 rubbers are on the counter.
I would always be happier with more RAM
I would like a better ASUS manager, which CRASHES all the time.
The screen bulging is annoying.
Its bad, the list can go on and on.
demandarin said:
I'm hoping next generation of Asus tablets after infinity pad will have Tegra4 in it. that will be even greater battery life and a dramatic boost in CPU and GPU performance. ill be holding on to my prime till then. nothing I've seen out from the competition makes me want to get rid of the Prime or seem more powerful than it. but honestly I get great battery life on my prime considering how much I use it and the kind of games and emulators I'm running on it. I easily get 10hrs. + battery life. Some may think this battery life not good enough but its the best Android has right now. Prime has the longest lasting battery of any tablet out now. according to Asus own specs, prime will still have better battery life than the Infinity pad or the new 300. the 300 actually has the shortest battery life, I believe. I could be wrong. but I know prime has the longest lasting battery life of all Asus tablets out now or coming out! that's been announced
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Yeap, the tf300/infinity have less battery life from the slide I saw a while back. I don't know why it's that way for the tf300, it should be on par with the tf101 and prime. The tf700 is more obvious, and is one of the reasons I think the 1080p+ screens are a step backwards for mobile devices. But the 4g is also to blame, for shorter battery life. I can't blame asus for that - carriers won't touch the wifi only prime, so with mobile data plans available to the tf700 it will help revenue. At least they won't have to market crappy galaxy tabs or xooms anymore.
The best option in my opinion is a 4g hotspot from clearwire, unlimited data for $45 a month, doesn't drain your tablet battery, you can charge it off the dock in your bag while you use your tablet separately, and it works for more than one device.
Tegra 4 isn't going to impact tablets as much as it will impact netbooks. The 8 core batman version of wayne will be for ultrabooks/netbooks and the robin version will be for tablets & phones. If you've paid any attention to netbooks lately - they're still lacking in the cpu and graphics department, and amd/intel are the big contenders in that department - which is why nvidia has alot to gain by offering an energy efficient 8 core ARM SoC for windows 8 netbooks.
Nvidia is moving forward from taking AMD on in the graphics department and hitting them where it will hurt in the cpu market. And everyone knows intel atom processors are complete ****, so x86/x32 on ultrabooks/netbooks may become a thing of the past if Nvidia can pull this off.
Billyvnilly said:
Default file manager is not perfect. Would love to see improvements aka incorporate what ES and Astro have been doing for a long time.
Better Inputs. The microSD card sticking out is stupid. Just make it more recessed. Same for the Audio jack, only half of it is in, the rest is exposed. Some times I drop audio in one ear, not sure, but I bet its due to this.
Better default features for lockscreen.
Speaker placement, maybe we need two speakers? The location is not great.
Keyboard keys on dock feel cheap. they are light, but when the battery already weighs what it weighs, just give me nicer keys.
WTF. How could ASUS let those chargers out of the factory. If they are plugged in one way, and you hold your tablet, it gives you a fuzzy jolt!
The tilting mechanism of the tablet on the dock kinda makes the tablet fall backwards when open. all the weight of the device is right at the back... it falls backwards all the time for me.
The build quality of the dock. If you pick it up from the side where the tablet docks, the underside metal bows & will make a clicking sound for me. The four rubber circles on the bottom of the dock aren't even! If i set my docked tablet on the table, it will still slide around cuz only 2 rubbers are on the counter.
I would always be happier with more RAM
I would like a better ASUS manager, which CRASHES all the time.
The screen bulging is annoying.
Its bad, the list can go on and on.
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I forgot to mention the microsd card in OP, glad you posted that.
Completely agree on the headphone jack, when I plug my headphones in and put my tablet in my bookbag the headphone connector shimmys it's way out and the audio cuts. It's only been doing this recently though. My fix was to just put the tablet in my bag with the jack facing down so the weight of the tablet keeps it in, not worried about my cables because they are Kevlar reinforced with a slanted jack.
I think speakers on mobile devices are a lost cause to be honest. Laptop speakers have sucked for years and they've had far more room to work with than tablets do. I won't ever be pleased with the speakers on a phone/tablet/laptop until I can hear the subbass frequencies that only my 12 inch sub or pricey beyerdynamic headphones can provide. Which is why my inner audiophile will say it's better just to go out and buy a nice set of headphones if audio quality is a concern.
Chiclet keys are a bit on the annoying side, but they're still usable. I just wish the tablet wasn't so much thicker than the dock, I wish they were even, perhaps cram some extra batteries or speakers in there.
Two words above all else;
Quality Control
Do not release buggy products, test the features you plan to advertise well in advance of the actual product release.
After that?
More RAM. 2 GB minimum. 4 would be better. And worth paying for.
Next up, 16/32 is a fine size to choose from for ROM (on board storage). I bought a 64 GB Prime and have used 8GB. I download apps extensively and never uninstall or delete anything. Maybe I'm missing something here, I don't do much video or take a lot of pics, or have a lot of audio files on my tablet. OTOH, I have a 32gb micro SD card in the dock (with adapter), and would be perfectly content putting pics, movies, short vids, etc, on there.
To the OP, the current bezel is fine. If you never take it out of the dock I could see wanting a smaller bezel, but part of the appeal of the Transformer series is that you CAN take it out of the dock. And when you do remove it, the current size of bezel means you can handle it easily (even with my large hands) without pressing the screen and opening/closing all sorts of apps.
The one physical layout of the Prime that I would change is that there is a button or control or cable plugin on each of the 4 sides.
This means that you have no where to rest if it is charging and you have an audio cable plugged in while you hold it to do something like play a game. I would put the audio plug, volume controls, HDMI plug, and power button all on one side. Leave the USB/Charging port where it is for convenience of keyboard docking. This means you have a short side and a long side that you can choose to rest on the table while playing a game, and you don't have to fight the cables or be concerned about setting the tablet on the power or volume buttons (and either messing up your volume or, worse yet, turning the power off) while doing so.
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I also forgot about the MicroSD slot. Leaving the (expensive) card half way out to be pressed by random objects and fired across the room by the ejection spring is a very, very poor design decision. If you insist on keeping the curve of the tablet shell put a "half moon" indentation in the shell to allow pressing the fully recessed MicroSD card in for release.
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Quality test the mess out of their next device, if any problem is spotted via web browsing, opening apps, connecting it to a larger TV monitor. Then they need to hold off until releasing it until they get it resolved.
The Transformer Prime should have shipped with all issues ironed out. So the consumer don't have to deal with these issues. Apple does this for it's iphone and iPad, ASUS should have done this or the Transformer Prime.
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You think iPhone's and iPad's don't have issues of there own? Nothing is perfect. iPhone 4s even with the new antennae design it still has the death grip issue. The new iPad, Yellow-ish tinted screens, overheating, poor wifi.
Lots of things could be added i mean instead of a spring loaded microsd why not a microsim like tray for the microsd?
Some Quality control would be nice, wouldn't scared off some potential customers and retailers.
The Bezel is fine to be honest how else would you hold and rest your thumbs on the screen? While yes they could develop more into the software and have it reject the thumb, Its just not reasonable.
Also a full sized usb you said? How else can they make the device so thin? Maybe a micro usb, but i don't think it can transfer enough data/power while docked.
Display? Well Asus TFP Infinity self-explanatory for the media junkies such as I.
2Gb Ram, better for the multi-tasking android supports and features.
Speakers on the side, eg Galaxy Tab 10.1 first gen.
Metal or more high quality Chiclets keys on the keyboard.
I just hope somehow someway they will get to use a better GPU on the infinity because tegra 3 is great cpu wise, while it does lack a lot in the gpu department. I mean it has to power a 1080p display and it already lags abit on the prime in some games.
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You think iPhone's and iPad's don't have issues of there own? Nothing is perfect. iPhone 4s even with the new antennae design it still has the death grip issue. The new iPad, Yellow-ish tinted screens, overheating, poor wifi.
Lots of things could be added i mean instead of a spring loaded microsd why not a microsim like tray for the microsd?
Some Quality control would be nice, wouldn't scared off some potential customers and retailers.
The Bezel is fine to be honest how else would you hold and rest your thumbs on the screen? While yes they could develop more into the software and have it reject the thumb, Its just not reasonable.
Also a full sized usb you said? How else can they make the device so thin? Maybe a micro usb, but i don't think it can transfer enough data/power while docked.
Display? Well Asus TFP Infinity self-explanatory for the media junkies such as I.
2Gb Ram, better for the multi-tasking android supports and features.
Speakers on the side, eg Galaxy Tab 10.1 first gen.
Metal or more high quality Chiclets keys on the keyboard.
I just hope somehow someway they will get to use a better GPU on the infinity because tegra 3 is great cpu wise, while it does lack a lot in the gpu department. I mean it has to power a 1080p display and it already lags abit on the prime in some games.
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I don't believe usb port would add to the thickness of a device, the dock is thinner than the tablet and can fit a usb port with room to spare.
There is a need for a bezel, just a smaller one would be nice. I have average sized hands and the bezel is still rather wide for my thumbs, about 70% of the current size would be acceptable.
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You think iPhone's and iPad's don't have issues of there own? Nothing is perfect. iPhone 4s even with the new antennae design it still has the death grip issue. The new iPad, Yellow-ish tinted screens, overheating, poor wifi.
Lots of things could be added i mean instead of a spring loaded microsd why not a microsim like tray for the microsd?
Some Quality control would be nice, wouldn't scared off some potential customers and retailers.
The Bezel is fine to be honest how else would you hold and rest your thumbs on the screen? While yes they could develop more into the software and have it reject the thumb, Its just not reasonable.
Also a full sized usb you said? How else can they make the device so thin? Maybe a micro usb, but i don't think it can transfer enough data/power while docked.
Display? Well Asus TFP Infinity self-explanatory for the media junkies such as I.
2Gb Ram, better for the multi-tasking android supports and features.
Speakers on the side, eg Galaxy Tab 10.1 first gen.
Metal or more high quality Chiclets keys on the keyboard.
I just hope somehow someway they will get to use a better GPU on the infinity because tegra 3 is great cpu wise, while it does lack a lot in the gpu department. I mean it has to power a 1080p display and it already lags abit on the prime in some games.
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I didn't say Apple products don't have issues. You're missing the point and that's that ASUS did very little quality testing on the TFP with ICS to the point that most of us can't even do basic things like utilizing the web browser, or launching and switching between native apps without the system going bugard with problems.
If one can pick up a competitor product and start surfing the web without experiencing the load stall, wait close response, or abrupt-reboot when switching or launching other default installed apps then that points to a serious problem with the quality control at ASUS and Google.
As I said in another thread, Android 4.0 is a major let down in user experience. To me it makes the most ridiculed Microsoft operating systems of the past (Windows Vista, Windows Millennium) look good.
>You're missing the point and that's that ASUS did very little quality testing on the TFP
There is QC. You're it.
>The best option in my opinion is a 4g hotspot from clearwire, unlimited data for $45 a month
lolwut.. I don't think that's good at all...only paying me $45 to use unlimited data. $90 sounds much better.
>The 8 core batman version of wayne will be for ultrabooks/netbooks and the robin version will be for tablets & phones
Pee-wee version for $199 tablet.
>micro-SD slot
Asus should do the same as GPS...take it out! MicroSD? We don't need no stinkin' micro sd..
What's the one thing that all best-selling tablets have in common?
Ya got it! No micro-SD!
Conclusion: MicroSD slot is holding Prime back from greatness!
Allow unlock with out voiding hardware defect aspect of warranty. I can put a cold air intake on my car and if the power windows stop working I still have a warranty, just saying.
Also,
Now this is a HUGE one.
PUT ANOTHER SOC IN THE DOCK!! With Nvidias SLI technology that would be awesome! Even if it is just the GPU aspect of the tablet. With these SOCs costing about $20, have a "premium" dock priced at $200.
I would buy one in a heartbeat!
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Tapatalk
Fire their whole QC and Testing Departments and actually hire Quality QCs and Quality Test Engineers..
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Allow unlock with out voiding hardware defect aspect of warranty. I can put a cold air intake on my car and if the power windows stop working I still have a warranty, just saying.
Also,
Now this is a HUGE one.
PUT ANOTHER SOC IN THE DOCK!! With Nvidias SLI technology that would be awesome! Even if it is just the GPU aspect of the tablet. With these SOCs costing about $20, have a "premium" dock priced at $200.
I would buy one in a heartbeat!
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Tapatalk
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That's different, look at all those Smarties posting in general and q & a asking really smart questions if Asus didn't void the warranty, they would just RMA because they screwed up their own tablet. As a business that's not very smart idea.
Better? Well, jam in an extra processor or ten, a few(10) gigs of ram, up the battery and up the display to qhd(quad hd).
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Don't get me wrong. I had TF one. I would like to have Prime. BUT.
Is that really worth buying especially now when the price is so high?
What is really better in Prime? Tegra 3? Do we really need tegra 3? As far as I remember there were so few games that used Tegra 2. I could count them on 2 hands fingers.
So I ask. What do you think guys? Is it worth to switch TF to Prime? Is it really worth it?
What if Tegra 3 will end like Tegra 2 with only few apps behind?
The answer is yes. Also this tablet is not priced too high considering the specs it brings to the table. The apps, whether tegra3 optimized or not, will benefit from the extra horsepower. How is this priced so high? You get the worlds first quad core Android tablet, the best display of any tablet, ports like hdmi and micro SD card, and 32gb of ram for only $499. Compare to an iPad 2 with less specs and festures and same 32gb starting at $599. Already been said n proven to be best Android tablet out there. If You want something cheap, get the kindle fire. No other tablet comes close yet to specs n features at that $499 price range. Stop feeding into the negativity of some people/trolls trying to downplay tegra2 or tegra3 chipset. Regardless of what people say, tegra2 was a success. Brought the worlds first dual core phones. Now will do the dame with worlds first quad core tablet. And their chipset will be first to run ICS onna tablet.
Plus this is answered within several other similar threads in general section.
Also, same could be said for other platforms like IOS. Even less number of games/apps are optimized for new chipset of ipad2. As with any new tech. It will take time for developers to make software that fit accordingly. Now once quad core is out, all apps will be made optimized to dual core or quad core. Since majority of devices now will have either one of these. Another benefit of the tegra3 is the power saving capabilities. It has already be shown/proven through several reviewers to have best battery life of any android tablet. It's right there with iPad/ipad2 battery life. And this was in balanced mode. Put prime on powers acing mode and it will surpass the IOS battery life easily.
what kind of response are you expecting to get on the prime section of XDA?
of course everyone reading this board wants a prime.
It depends, if you have the original Transformer then the upgrade might not be worth it unless you plan to play a lot of 3D games for some reason. If you already have an iPad 2, then upgrade seems not important, unless you really want a keyboard dock that is better than what iPad has.
If you don't have a tablet or have an old one, then YES. It is worth it.
Imo no it's not priced too high. I have a Nook Color now and while it's great, I would like something with a little more power. Considering I paid $200 9 months ago for my NC and have used it for a thousand things I didn't think I'd ever use it for, I can definitively justify $500 for device I will use everyday
Ok, let me see...
1. Thinner, lighter, and better looking than old TF.
2. Better battery life by most accounts.
3. Quad-core for when you need it, a single low power core when you don't.
4. Tegra 3 is a reference GPU for ICS, enough said. I don't care if there is ever a single game written specifically for Tegra 3 - all I want is effortless UI, with no hiccups, and perfect video. That is IMHO iPad 2's single advantage, and I hope that TF Prime + ICS finally comes close.
The question should be asked - why are others charging just as much for old hardware? Suddenly that GT 10.1 for $499 with 16Gb looks very expensive...
this is a nerd site. made up of lots of nerds.
short answer, hell yes. buy it. buy 2.
no its not, its not worth buying, you should not get this.
DON'T GET IT!
Orion66 said:
Is that really worth buying especially now when the price is so high?
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That is a very subjective question that only you can answer. What is "really worth buying" to me may not be to you and vice versa.
You guys don't even consider the whole situation... He is asking whether it is worth it to switch from the original to the Prime.
Well considering that you can probably sell the Original+Dock for around 350 and buy the new one for 700+, that is a $350 difference. Then that is really a money issue. The Prime is a nice upgrade from the original. It's faster, lighter, thinner, and looks nicer. But the original is definitely still usable. The original is not obsolete, the Prime is just a premium. Now the question is whether you are willing to pay for this premium.
If you aren't unhappy with your TF right now you could always wait till later when more quad-core tablets come out. There will always be something new and exciting on the line.
You definitely do not need it. Don't buy it, as its terrible, and can I have your pre-order?
For me, the answer is a bit mixed. While I am really excited about the release of the Prime, yesterday, I cancelled my pre-orders from BestBuy and GameStop. I too, have a TF101. My thinking was that right now, if you were to sell your TF101 on eBay within the next week or so, you could get a decent price for it, ~$350-400 (with the dock). This would go a long way to paying for the upgrade. However, my Amazon pre-order was cancelled and I ended up pre-ordering at two different places on Dec 1st or 2nd. My concern was that I was basically at the back of the line for both of these pre-orders and I am flying back home for a couple of weeks around x-mas. I wasn't sure that I would get the tablet before flying out, I was pretty sure that I wouldn't get the dock before I got back, and I didn't want to have either sitting on my doorstep for any amount of time (just in case I wasn't able to change the shipping in time). This was compounded by the fact that I would have needed to sell the TF101 before getting the TF201 in my hands, which made me nervous.
I was sitting at the coffee shop yesterday, doing actual work on my TF101, without any issues, wondering if the upgrade was worth it right now. I decided that at this point in time, it would just be too much of a hassle. The TF101 is a great performer for a lot of tasks, and for my typical use, I have not run into a situation where I feel like I am really limited by the hardware. I think that I will probably upgrade once I can buy both the dock and keyboard, and probably the transleeve, on Amazon and get one day shipping on everything and be done with it. The pre-order situation on this one turned out to be too much of a hassle and I was not sure that I trusted that Asus would be able to deliver enough units to secure my late pre-order before flying out.
As far as why I actually wanted to upgrade, it's more powerful, thinner, lighter and smaller with a better screen and better battery life. It also supposedly handles the dock/charging situation a bit better than the current device, which is actually important to me. I would love to be able to see the screen better in the sunlight, and have more apps running in the background without seeing much of a slowdown. I would also love to show this off to my Apple loving friends as a thinner, lighter and more powerful tablet than the iPad 2.
Price does not seem high to me. $500 is the same price the original 32GB Transformer came out at. The difference is this time there is no 16GB $400 option. Sure there are other tablets that are deeply discounted, but they suck and nobody wants them.
Tegra 3 isn't just about video games. I don't really play that many games on my tablet to let them dictate my tablet or processor choice. But the Tegra 3 also has an improved GPU that will help me play back high def videos that the Tegra 2 was really bad at. If you are just streaming HD video, the Tegra 2 is still fine. But if you copy over your own AVI or MKV HD files, hopefully the Tegra 3 will be able to handle them better.
Another important aspect of the Transformer Prime is it's aluminum body. The original Transformer with it's plastic back gets warm in your hands. The palms start to sweat a little, then the tablet gets slippery to hold. The aluminum body of the Prime should stay cooler, prevent the palms from moistening and hold easier. Not to mention it's much thinner and lighter.
And the Transformer Prime is much better looking. I always found the brown Transformer kinda ugly.
I'm excited about getting the Prime for two primary reasons:
1. It's lighter and thinner, and so should be easier to manage for longer ebook reading sessions. I'm pretty sure of this because my wife's GT 10.1 is more comfortable to use than my OG Transformer, and the Prime is a touch thinner and lighter yet.
2. The extra brightness is going to be awesome. I can ALMOST use my Transformer on the back porch in the SoCal sun for ebook reading--but only almost. The extra brightness should take the Prime over the edge and make it usable.
Everything else--faster, more battery life, better touch responsiveness, etc.--is just gravy as far as I'm concerned. Given that I'll be able to sell my Transformer and dock, I'll only be spending a few hundred dollars for a significantly enhanced device. Can't beat that with a stick...
I would say it depends on your starting point. For me.. it was a Galaxy Tab 10.1 that I bought for $400 and sold for $400. The cost of stepping up to the Prime was $99 so yeah.. id say it will be worth it.
If you have equipment that you have to sell to buy it I would look at how high the replacement cost would be to get there. If you have an original with dock that you can sell, then just see if the amount of money you have to chip in is worth it to you.
If you are happy with what you have the chance is you will keep being happy with it.. if you like to have the latest/greatest then the chance is that the upgrade would be worth it.
TLDR: What I wrote didn't help at all.. only you could decide if it is worth it or not.
Ravynmagi said:
Price does not seem high to me. $500 is the same price the original 32GB Transformer came out at. The difference is this time there is no 16GB $400 option. Sure there are other tablets that are deeply discounted, but they suck and nobody wants them.
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Ah, but, there IS a $399 16GB option (that will likely be discounted): the original Transformer. ASUS isn't pulling it from the market, and so there's still a decent, lower-entry-price product on the market.
I just think ASUS needs to make more of an effort to make it clear that the $499 32GB Transformer Prime should be directly compared to the $599 32GB Apple iPad 2. If they can make people understand that simple fact, they'll do just fine.
Orion66 said:
Don't get me wrong. I had TF one. I would like to have Prime. BUT.
Is that really worth buying especially now when the price is so high?
What is really better in Prime? Tegra 3? Do we really need tegra 3? As far as I remember there were so few games that used Tegra 2. I could count them on 2 hands fingers.
So I ask. What do you think guys? Is it worth to switch TF to Prime? Is it really worth it?
What if Tegra 3 will end like Tegra 2 with only few apps behind?
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ummmmmm yes
The OP answered his own question without even realizing it. Based on initial reviews and hands-on experience the Transformer Prime (TP) is a worthwhile upgrade from Transformer (T). Since you're a previous T owner you should confirm for yourself by getting hands-on with a demo unit and not making any sizable investment blindly. For the financial sensitive buyers it's not worth the premium to pay full retail to be first in line due to the fact that the price is relatively high as compared to competitive AMD E-450 APU based netbooks costing ~$400 with the added benefit of a broader range of software. Furthermore, there will be competing quad-core tablets in the pipeline that may offer better specs (eg. Lenovo LePad K2 1.6GHz Tegra3 and 2GB DRAM, Samsung quad-core Exynos) and is predicted, per Nvidia CEO, to be more affordable in the ~$300 range as the market matures in the next few quarters. If you have the disposable income and/or have an immediate need then get in line otherwise you'll benefit by holding off.
Personally, if money is no object I'd own both a Samsung Galaxy Note and TP. But, if I had to settle for just one I'd go with Samsung Galaxy Note since it can serve as a phone, tablet and displace x86 desktop as a very low power general purpose computer (what I had intend to use the TP for).
Orion66 said:
Don't get me wrong. I had TF one. I would like to have Prime. BUT.
Is that really worth buying especially now when the price is so high?
What is really better in Prime? Tegra 3? Do we really need tegra 3? As far as I remember there were so few games that used Tegra 2. I could count them on 2 hands fingers.
So I ask. What do you think guys? Is it worth to switch TF to Prime? Is it really worth it?
What if Tegra 3 will end like Tegra 2 with only few apps behind?
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Don't get me wrong. I had a BMW 535i. I would like to have a BMW 550i. BUT.
Is that really worth buying especially now when the price of the BMW 550i is so high? What is really better in the BMW 550i? Bigger engine? Do we really need a bigger engine? As far as I remember there is still a speed limit on the road and the price of gas is still high.
So I ask. What do you think guys? Is it worth to switch to a 550i? Is it really worth it?
What if the BMW 550i will end like the BMW 535i when you still can get a speeding ticket if you speed and still have to pay high gas prices?
With the Kindle Fire and Nook Color at $199 you're going to see Android tablets morph in to categories much like Intel's done with processors (i3, i5, i7). There will be value, mid-range, and high-end. Value will be the marketshare leader, followed by mid-range, and then high-end. High-end will be the smallest but most profitible segment margin wise. The Prime is a high-end tablet. Asus even said they'd continue the original Transformer as their mid-range offering. If you want a high-end tablet the question is which one because they'll all be priced similarly. They'll all be quad-core but Acer, Lenovo, and HTC's offerings will have 2GB of RAM, 1920x1152 displays, and ICS pre-installed. The Prime's the first next-gen tablet but the high-end market will look much different in Q1 2012. If you have a decent first-gen tablet, other than a resale drop on eBay/CL, you might be better off waiting to see what your options are. I like the idea of a higher res display, especially with ICS. We're all geeks and addicted to shiny and new but we don't represent the overall market. There's a reason VW outsells M-B, BMW, and Audi combined.
Transformer Prime Champagne Gold impressions
Well, as karma has it, I was able to get a 32GB Champagne Gold Transformer Prime, with the dock, last Friday and played with it over the weekend.
I was worried about many of the problems people were reporting and I was slightly afraid when starting up the device, I did not want to see bad light bleeds or dead pixels and so on. While the tablet itself ended up being perfect, I was still hit with a crippling bug of the keyboard dock not being able to be used for typing at all.
I found it almost ironic that I ended up with a serious flaw like that. I really thought that forums give a wrong impression about ASUS quality control, but reality is that it really is very, very bad. It is almost like gambling, chance that you'll get a functioning device without flaws that will annoy you from the very beginning, are very low.
I'll get the device replaced and essentially add to the pile of devices that are being returned to ASUS. But that aside, here are my impressions about the tablet, since I did use the tablet without the keyboard quite a bit.
Champagne Gold is absolutely beautiful in real life. It is a really attractive looking device, it's not as 'white' as Apple's aluminum devices are and is so much better for it with the slight golden gue making it look less clinical. Pictures don't do it justice, Champagne Gold Transformer Prime is the best looking tablet I've held in my hands.
The build is also very sturdy. I am glad I did not go for one of the plastic built tablets of yesteryear as I really love the feel of the tablet when I hold it. It is slightly heavier than I expected but only because I've never used tablets this extensively before.
Of course this design has its drawbacks, such as very weak GPS, but I tend to use my phone for GPS due to assisted GPS from cell towers, which is just much quicker. As for WiFi issues, I did not notice any, but I also did not run any speed tests. I mostly make the tablet use my phone as source of internet and it didn't have any problems doing so.
The first bootup ran Honeycomb and I immediately noticed that it simply did not run smoothly despite quad-core processing power driving it. But I liked the screen and after wiping the screen properly, touch responsiveness was good.
A mere 15 minutes later the device had updated itself to Android 4.0 and I had no stutter or lag issues anymore when moving around the menus or using the browser.
The screen is really beautiful and bright with good contrast. And the external sound is better than I expected. I watched the new 30 Rock episode with girlfriend on a couch and it was a nice experience, much better than trying to hold a laptop comfortably while watching a show. MX video player works very well on Prime, I watched Boardwalk Empire on my way back home on a train and it is a great device for extended viewing. It is amazing how much more natural it feels to watch series or movies on a tablet device like this as opposed to laptop.
Most apps seem to run quite well on Prime. But Android has its drawbacks on tablets, a lot of really great looking games do not have HD versions, making them look less attractive on the screen. Some of my favorites such as truly amazing World of Goo and Cut the Rope worked well on Prime, but their beautiful art was stretched to full screen, making the games look less magical than they felt when I was playing them on my Galaxy Nexus phone (which has a similar resolution to Prime, but far smaller screen).
I tried to use my tablet as a netbook, but without working keyboard I coould not really give it as much of a go as I hoped. But browsing around in the internet was fast and smooth and I really like Android for a tablet OS.
Battery lasted less than I hoped, but I cannot say it was bad since I did not charge it enough times for it to live up to its full potential. But I did not have to charge it while I was using, so it did not cause any battery stress.
I also liked that ASUS does not enforce its things on the user. Majority of pre-installed apps can be disabled and ASUS own enhancements are good for the device. They did not add anything that felt like bloatware.
As for the screen, yes it is certainly a fingerprint magnet. It does not bother me until I start watching a movie or whatnot. Makes me feel like I should clean it up because it simply is dirty (even when hands are less oily and have recently been washed).
Is this the best tablet I have ever used? Not really, iPad 2 is still a better media and content consumption device and I find Prime a much less comfortable to use when held in portrait mode as opposed to iPad 2 (but of course widescreen videos are much better on Prime as a result). But I can really see how the keyboard dock can enhance the Prime experience enough for me to never consider iPad 3, even if it comes out with HD screen and even better battery life.
I should also make additional note about the keyboard dock. I don't find the build of the keyboard dock to be as good as I hoped, it angles up really awkwardly on the Prime when screen is lifted, the back hinge is basically the thing it starts 'resting' on and differently from the rubber it rests on in front of the dock, the back rests on plastic knob-thingies, which have less grip. So on a less sturdy surface or when typing, the device is prone to move a lot more than you'd expect.
To sum things up, ASUS did a good job at everything except quality control and body design for GPS. If it had 3G, better WiFi and functioning GPS I would easily grade it the best tablet ever, but right now I don't see iPad 2 being actually dethroned before the end of this year where Google's rumoured tablet and possibly another Transformer can really kick things up a notch.
2012 is the year of 4G and HD screens on tablets, but I must say I did not really think Prime needs a HD screen. It is not because it would not look more beautiful - it would and I can easily see pixels when reading the web on Prime - but I just think that Android market won't catch up to HD apps before 2013. Today most apps look stretched and the apps that don't, do not seem to need HD anyway.
But yes, a wonderful device, just make sure to not throw away the box and other items so you can quickly refund, since chance has it that it might come with a hardware flaw or two.
Nice well written review.
Got it exchanged and keyboard works now! By the way, those wishing to buy it in Estonia, it seems to be sold downtown in both Euronics and Klick stores. Can't be bought online yet and seems to be only the champagne gold 32gb model.
Thx for the review man
On thing i want to add though: You have to compare the transformer prime to the ipad2 wifi only. If you want to compare it at all. And that device has no gps module at all, so a more or less working gps is still better than none at all.
But those comparisons are fundamentally flawed imho. I buy a device because of its features. iPad and TP offer very different things which results in the situation that there are fans of one device (because it has everything they wish for) and fans of the other one debating which one is better...
In the end there is only "whats better for you" and never "whats better for everyone". For me its clearly the Prime.
Dude i get carried away again. My Prime shall arrive! NOW!
I'm with you with the Champagne Gold color.
The photos online do not give justice to the Champagne Gold color as it is absolutely beautiful in real life.
The Gold hue does not overpower the Aluminum Color and has a rather subtle hint to it.
Excellent review. A good model for all to follow!
My "purplish" grey one is to arrive tomorrow....wish I could have ordered the champagne colour. I'll probably end up putting a skinomi skin on the back as I'm not really into the purple tones...plus, I heard the aluminum scratches easily.
i haven't read the full review... but you found a gold dock in stores? or online? where? i didn't even think it existed.
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i haven't read the full review... but you found a gold dock in stores? or online? where? i didn't even think it existed.
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+1. Where is this mythical gold dock? Surely not the one I've had on BB preorder since late November? lol <bangs head into wall>
I'm using a Champagne Prime mated with a Gray dock. I actually like the look better than a matched set. Something to think about if you can't find a Champagne dock...
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I'm using a Champagne Prime mated with a Gray dock. I actually like the look better than a matched set. Something to think about if you can't find a Champagne dock...
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can you post some pics?
Just as an FYI, your prime screen is capable of 720p hd video playback, just not 1080p. still HD, just not the best HD. Great review though.
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i haven't read the full review... but you found a gold dock in stores? or online? where? i didn't even think it existed.
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ASUS is selling 32GB Champagne Gold TF201's in Estonia, it's the EU version (tablet and dock in one). And it is also localized, with local adapter and US keyboard that has russian letters in the corner (we also have a large number of russians living here).
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+1. Where is this mythical gold dock? Surely not the one I've had on BB preorder since late November? lol <bangs head into wall>
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It seems that ASUS did not just do a UK launch, it was an EU launch and a lot of tablets are being sold in various countries, often without advertisements. Here we have Champagne Gold one, sold 2-in-1, dock and tablet. I haven't seen Amethyst Grey being sold anywhere here (and we seem to have two chains selling TF201's without ads at the moment).
It just shows how little this tablet is really known outside these forums and tech world. People don't know about it. Stores don't even know that they have the hottest Android tablet on their shelves.
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Thx for the review man
On thing i want to add though: You have to compare the transformer prime to the ipad2 wifi only. If you want to compare it at all. And that device has no gps module at all, so a more or less working gps is still better than none at all.
But those comparisons are fundamentally flawed imho. I buy a device because of its features. iPad and TP offer very different things which results in the situation that there are fans of one device (because it has everything they wish for) and fans of the other one debating which one is better...
In the end there is only "whats better for you" and never "whats better for everyone". For me its clearly the Prime.
Dude i get carried away again. My Prime shall arrive! NOW!
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Well, true, but it is worth a comparison simply because you would not own a Prime and an iPad 2 together, they overlap in functionality. I will still recommend iPad 2 to anyone who is not a tech person as I believe that today it is a better device for content consumption and don't believe Android will catch up in app-market with HD apps and experience at least until 2013.
I am really neutral in that opinion here, I own an Android 4.0 phone and tablet now, I love Android. But today iPad 2 is a better tablet for an average person even if you don't consider GPS, WiFi quality or 3G existence important.
I would not buy Android for my grandparents, if I had to choose I would buy them iPad 2.
But anyways, I love it. Those of us who know tech and prefer Android, this is a brilliant device if your device does not have issues resulted from bad quality control.
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Just as an FYI, your prime screen is capable of 720p hd video playback, just not 1080p. still HD, just not the best HD. Great review though.
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Thank you for the correction.
I am about to order one, so how is it compared to a laptop? i wanna sell my laptop and use Prime all the time insted, btw how did you use you phones internet? thats called tethering? or some bluetooth function ?
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I am about to order one, so how is it compared to a laptop? i wanna sell my laptop and use Prime all the time insted, btw how did you use you phones internet? thats called tethering? or some bluetooth function ?
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Think you might struggle to use this as a laptop replacement - depending on what you use your laptop for.
Yes, it's called tethering - setting your phone up as a wifi hotspot then connecting your tablet to it. No bluetooth needed. However, some Prime users report issues with this since the ICS update.
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I've had the chance to use the keyboard dock for a while, as well as test out a variety of apps. Some apps are much better in HD on a tablet, this surprised me quite a bit. For example IMDB app is really good on tablet and gMail (and really, all Google apps) is very high quality.
Apps run quickly and without problems. I also haven't noticed any problems with the tablet I got for exchange, no dead pixels. There's faint backlight bleed near one corner but I can not notice it while using a tablet unless brightness setting is too high and screen itself full of black colors.
As for the keyboard. I really love that it is Android focused keyboard. The keys make sense and are intuitive. It really is the first time I've felt comfortable with a keyboard that is similar to old school Windows keyboards, while never making me feel like it is one of those 'modified' PC keyboards. The top row buttons are all very useful, there are no bloated keys.
At first I wished there was 'recent apps' key, but there isn't. Alt+Tab does exist, but since there is no Alt key on the left hand side of the keyboard, you have to use two hands for it (I always Alt+Tab with left hand on my PC). So that's a bit annoying.
Keyboard itself is comfortable to write on if you've used smaller netbooks before. It takes a short time getting used to since at first you expect keys to be further apart, but adjustment does not take long. Feel of the keys is really good and they are well built, I like that spacebar, while long, goes down on both sides if you only press on one side. While it seems simple and does not look as expensive as Macbook Air keyboard, it feels really well built.
The dock also protects the tablet really well. The keys are not elevated on the dock, so they don't touch or get close to tablet screen and leave marks of any kind on the screen in the long run (this happened with my nice Compaq netbook 311C that had a beautiful LED screen that just looked worn thanks to keyboard after a while). Dock is also separated from the tablet with little rubber knobs
The touchpad is basically pointless, I am not sure why it is even needed, but I like that it is there in case I ever would need it. Using screen touch is simply faster, since apps are usually built keeping that in mind. Touchpad is just slower in comparison. I did however find it helpful when writing a lot of text and needing to correct something. It is also great that you can turn the touchpad off so it doesn't activate by accident while you are typing.
Certain apps are also less-keyboard friendly. While typing is supported all around, certain apps are less friendly when it comes to common usability features such as tab key changing selected input field (like going from username to password). You cannot really use the tablet without resorting to touching the screen every now and then, but I must admit that it is better than I originally expected. I actually like having the keyboard on, since on-screen keyboard is really something I don't like to resort to.
I did notice that capacitive pens are not very good on Transformer Prime screen. I have cleaned the screen very well, but capacitive pens are not sensed unless brushing them more noticably against the screen. The pen is a high quality one originally built for iPad 2 by Bamboo, worlds leading company when it comes to graphic tablets. I guess the non-air-pad type capacitive pens would work better though.
For some other things that are not as perfect as they could be, there is a very tiny amount of lag in the system at times when using the keyboard. It is certainly not as responsive as a keyboard should be if you, say, played competitive first person shooter games. But it doesn't really annoy and some apps are better than others at it. This will possibly improve even further with newer Android or firmware updates since it is not a hardware issue at all.
One thing I can tell you though is that TF201 makes quite an impression. I've shown it to two friends and the dock really makes the tablet. It takes away one of the most uncomfortable things about tablets - typing on that awkward screen - as well as offers natural protection without needing a case to protect the screen. Two of my friends who played with it were very impressed. If there's an Android device to wow people who only really know about iPad, it is not good to show the tablet without the dock - since it is just too similar - but the dock helps it really set it apart.
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I am about to order one, so how is it compared to a laptop? i wanna sell my laptop and use Prime all the time insted, btw how did you use you phones internet? thats called tethering? or some bluetooth function ?
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When using it as a replacement for a netbook, the device works really well. But one has to keep in mind that it is a content-consumption device. You can draw sketches here or write essays, but it is really something that you should consider as a replacement for netbook if you mostly watch movies or surf the internet on your netbook. You are still faster with a netbook if you need to do more intensive work.
But pay attention that I said 'netbook', not laptop. Laptop is still a better device, if you don't have a desktop PC, then I suggest keeping laptop around, since at times it is simply needed to 'create' more than consume. You cannot develop on Android, really edit videos or photoshop pictures or do extensive office work.
When it comes to sharing the internet then yes, I have an unlimited data plan on my phone so I can easily tether my 3G connection. It is not as fast as tablet itself having a 3G, but it is still quite good. I don't stream videos on my tablet usually or if I do, I have a better WiFi connection somewhere. For on-the-go use, it works really well.
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Some people also requested I post a picture of the dock that has Russian letters. It is a US dock, but if you select Russian as Android language, you can easily use the dock as well, since it shows where the letters are located. For Estonians (if any of you are out there), there is no Estonian layout supported sadly and from what I was told, there won't be one. Contents of the TF201 box however are Estonian, it has Estonian manual and everything.
Why was this thread moved to 'accessories'?
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Some people also requested I post a picture of the dock that has Russian letters. It is a US dock, but if you select Russian as Android language, you can easily use the dock as well, since it shows where the letters are located. For Estonians (if any of you are out there), there is no Estonian layout supported sadly and from what I was told, there won't be one. Contents of the TF201 box however are Estonian, it has Estonian manual and everything.
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Thanks for this info. But I have a question, sorry my stupidity. What does "it shows where the letters are located" mean? There is no secondary letter set on a US keyboard dock (you said it is a US dock). And the only way in my opinion is - to have a Russian phonetic layout added to ASUS keyboard, so it will be possible to use US dock and type in Russian for those do not remember by heart location of Russian "QWERTY" layout ("ЙЦУКЕН"). I am looking desperately for this possibility - with Russian phonetic layout for ASUS keyboard life will be perfect . I can type Russian using on-screen keyboard but this is not nice when using dock. If you have any info about this - it will be very helpful.
Thanks
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Thanks for this info. But I have a question, sorry my stupidity. What does "it shows where the letters are located" mean? There is no secondary letter set on a US keyboard dock (you said it is a US dock). And the only way in my opinion is - to have a Russian phonetic layout added to ASUS keyboard, so it will be possible to use US dock and type in Russian for those do not remember by heart location of Russian "QWERTY" layout ("ЙЦУКЕН"). I am looking desperately for this possibility - with Russian phonetic layout for ASUS keyboard life will be perfect . I can type Russian using on-screen keyboard but this is not nice when using dock. If you have any info about this - it will be very helpful.
Thanks
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In the keyboard dock picture he attached you can see the actual Russian phonetic layout on the buttons, so it's not exactly the US dock, but like a US dock with Russian phonetic layout added to the buttons.
With all the complaints in this forum, you'd think this was a bad device.
I'll tell you, over in the tf101 forum there was no where near as many complaints and the tf101 wasn't the perfect device either.
The prime is an improvement in alot of ways.
The tf101 had backlight bleeds, I went through 3 of them before I settled.
The tf101 was sluggish, no one here can fully respect the power of the tegra 3 processor without experiencing the tegra 2. The boot time was like 4 minutes, it was slow in alot of areas that the prime isn't.
It had to use honeycomb up until 2 weeks ago, that's about a year - prime owners got it asap with a slew of support from asus for the gps/wifi issues.
The tf101 had keyboard dock issues, alot of the docks had to be sent back in.
It was fat and plastic. It was brown. It collected dust under it's camera.
It wasn't perfect.
But what device is? Galaxy tabs are diet vanilla, nothing really special or innovative about them. The follow the ipad status quo. Toshiba tabs are jokes on battery life. Acers are humongous. Ipads use proprietary apple garbage and are extremely limited by their OEM.
When I got my prime I would grip this thing tightly and say to myself "I own a ****ing transformer prime".
I waited for this thing for months through using my tf101, when everyone was hoping Q4 release meant October, but october stretched on to november, and then december when it finally came out.
But this exceptional tablet gets overshadowed by a couple of it's faults, rather than how great it's advantages are.
We own the world's first quad core tablet, it's thin, it's beautiful, it get's ridiculous battery life with it's incredibly well designed keyboard dock. We have usb connectivity, micro sd, full sized sd, hdmi, etc. Some devices don't have any of those, let alone all of them like we do.
Sure something better will come. Maybe you want a more expensive Ipad 3 with a redundant screen resolution, slower cpu, thicker design to compensate for it's thirst of excessive battery life, and lack of expansion. It's not perfect and the devices after it won't be either...
It's time we be happy prime owners. Asus did design a good device, and they don't receive credit where credit is due. I'm proud to own this tablet.
@OP: The Church of Primetology seeks chaplain
!Hail to you, oh holy Prime, father of connection lacking communication specialists!
Forgive me that I don't see your creators wisdom as he provided you also with that microsd slot so this shall be your door to the world.
Just let your green light shine and don't punch the xcsd out again because I will not find it in the sewage where I would be looking for my missing GPS if you hadn't already disappeared somewhere on a shelf of the ASUS repdep. Thank you for having enlighten my life longer than a week. Which is exceptional or was it the rule?
Give me a thank or another tablet will you.
I endorse the OP post. I ran out of thanks. good viewpoint/angle on the situation. preach on my brother thrash all those who committed sins against the prime. they need redemption NOW! lol
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Agree w the OP. I ranted about its short comings when I first got it, but after using it for a few weeks, I love it. It really is a beautiful device and fast. Its my first tab so maybe my expectations were too high at first.
BTW, what do you mean by redundant screen?
This a great device once you get it to work without crash. Everything's stable for me on .15 nd the browsing is super fast thanks to OC 1.6ghz ... its perfect for what I do
Honestly looking at benchmark (I'm at 13162) scores its the best android device out now by far
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I really like it. I'm not an Asus fanboy, in fact I try as hard as possible to not be a fanboy of anything.
That being said, there were and are shortcomings. But over time the bugs will get ironed out, CM9 and other ROM makers will do some wonders.
I don't know, when I use the Prime (especially with the new floaty browser!) I feel more like I'm using a computer, not an appliance. You know, file management is in my hands, I can f*** around with the OS, break it if I want. Whenever I use my friends' or coworkers' iDevices they just feel like appliances with a shallow OS.
But I'm not trying to sell anyone on it. Some people like it, some people don't. I like seams, I like tinkering. I learn more from it. All those folks complaining about their wifi, gps, screen issues; I guarantee you they have learned MUCH more about those aspects of mobile computing because of those faults.
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I endorse the OP post. I ran out of thanks. good viewpoint/angle on the situation. preach on my brother thrash all those who committed sins against the prime. they need redemption NOW! lol
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lol how do you run out of thanks?
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lol how do you run out of thanks?
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the thanks button underneath a post. you only have 8 per day.
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BTW, what do you mean by redundant screen?
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OP probably means retina display shows everything so cristallclear now you can look at it through a microscope...
Give me a thank or another tablet will you.
this is kind of weird and hard to understand how you guys settle with a device that has a lot of design flaws on both hardware and software. Asus transformer prime was my first tablet. And to be honest the one I got had nearly no light bleed, an okay wifi, kind of working GPS and fairly stable device in comparison with the horror stories that we all know through the forum. I made the though call return my transformer prime one day before my return window. The idea I had was wait a little until Asus get the problems fixed and buy a great one. However, I realized that I have to have a tablet as waiting for a fixed transformer. So I went ahead and bought a Samsung galaxy tab from Costco which has a 90 days return window. Here is my impression out of my first 10 days
-way stable. Had to reboot only one time due to firmware upgrade.
-no hiccups as I use or browse. It is dual core but performs way better than the balance mode of transformer
-screen readability is better than transformer
-wifi, GPS and Bluetooth works in a way it is suposed to be
- Form factor way comfortable than prime. No sharp uncomfortable edges. Way better feeling in your hand. I don't believe I would have written this.
-battery last way longer than prime
There are a few benefits that prime has over.
super ips display is better for outdoor use
Tergra 3 may be better for tegra optimized games. But I am not a game person and use my tablet for business.
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this is kind of weird and hard to understand how you guys settle with a device that has a lot of design flaws on both hardware and software. Asus transformer prime was my first tablet. And to be honest the one I got had nearly no light bleed, an okay wifi, kind of working GPS and fairly stable device in comparison with the horror stories that we all know through the forum. I made the though call return my transformer prime one day before my return window. The idea I had was wait a little until Asus get the problems fixed and buy a great one. However, I realized that I have to have a tablet as waiting for a fixed transformer. So I went ahead and bought a Samsung galaxy tab from Costco which has a 90 days return window. Here is my impression out of my first 10 days
-way stable. Had to reboot only one time due to firmware upgrade.
-no hiccups as I use or browse. It is dual core but performs way better than the balance mode of transformer
-screen readability is better than transformer
-wifi, GPS and Bluetooth works in a way it is suposed to be
- Form factor way comfortable than prime. No sharp uncomfortable edges. Way better feeling in your hand. I don't believe I would have written this.
-battery last way longer than prime
There are a few benefits that prime has over.
super ips display is better for outdoor use
Tergra 3 may be better for tegra optimized games. But I am not a game person and use my tablet for business.
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Galaxy tab smoother than the prime, that's cute haha. I can see how those sharp rounded corners would be a pain seeing as how they would break the laws of physics and all, can't be having that.
I'm just meeting with you though, to each his own
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prizm74 said:
this is kind of weird and hard to understand how you guys settle with a device that has a lot of design flaws on both hardware and software. Asus transformer prime was my first tablet. And to be honest the one I got had nearly no light bleed, an okay wifi, kind of working GPS and fairly stable device in comparison with the horror stories that we all know through the forum. I made the though call return my transformer prime one day before my return window. The idea I had was wait a little until Asus get the problems fixed and buy a great one. However, I realized that I have to have a tablet as waiting for a fixed transformer. So I went ahead and bought a Samsung galaxy tab from Costco which has a 90 days return window. Here is my impression out of my first 10 days
-way stable. Had to reboot only one time due to firmware upgrade.
-no hiccups as I use or browse. It is dual core but performs way better than the balance mode of transformer
-screen readability is better than transformer
-wifi, GPS and Bluetooth works in a way it is suposed to be
- Form factor way comfortable than prime. No sharp uncomfortable edges. Way better feeling in your hand. I don't believe I would have written this.
-battery last way longer than prime
There are a few benefits that prime has over.
super ips display is better for outdoor use
Tergra 3 may be better for tegra optimized games. But I am not a game person and use my tablet for business.
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a few things i hate about the galaxy tab 10.1 wifi was the newton rings on the screen...it gets worse and worse over time.
also it did not have a microsd slot nor a micro hdmi.
those were the deal breakers for me
less people complained about Toyotas having brakes that didnt work than have whined like babies about this TOY. and look at that, Toyota's still the #1 car manufacturer. so when people say we ''settled'' for our Primes, they are sorely mistaken. my Prime had to settle for ME as a user, as it is FAR beyond anything i can hope to do. I love my Prime, best gadget I ever bought
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I completely agree with the OP.
This device is really top notch.
Build quality is amazing, quad core is very nice (definitely will be more utilized in the close future, thank you xda ), multitasking is just awesome.
Converting from an ipad, I can safely say BYE APPLE!
Yes the "new ipad" has an amazing screen, I'll take the TFP thank you.
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Agree w the OP. I ranted about its short comings when I first got it, but after using it for a few weeks, I love it. It really is a beautiful device and fast. Its my first tab so maybe my expectations were too high at first.
BTW, what do you mean by redundant screen?
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Yeah...........wouldn't want to expect what was advertised !
Design? Who else designs a micro sd card slot that once a card is inserted, it can "Self" eject at any time !
The only thing ground breaking with this tablet is Tegra 3 and an all metal back............but I think we all know why no one else uses an all metal back, by now!
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less people complained about Toyotas having brakes that didnt work than have whined like babies about this TOY. and look at that, Toyota's still the #1 car manufacturer. so when people say we ''settled'' for our Primes, they are sorely mistaken. my Prime had to settle for ME as a user, as it is FAR beyond anything i can hope to do. I love my Prime, best gadget I ever bought
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I hate to correct you, but Toyota lost 16% of sales last year and is now no.3 after GM and VW (by a wide margin). Having said that I also have only good things to say about my lovely Prime, but it`s certainly important to note, that I don`t really use the GPS, since that duty is up to my GN. In any case I also respect other opinions, but life is sometimes nicer looking at a glass that is half full compared to viewing it as half empty
Coming from the Acer Iconia A500, I can honestly say that the ATP is WAY better in every way but one. The wifi is slightly poorer than on the Acer. That one was far from perfect either when coming to wifi. And the ranting in the Acer forum is way way less than on this forum.
I am simply AMAZED that some people expect their tablet to have a functionel GPS INDOORS!!! I can´t even get satelite lock indoors with my Garmin car gps.
I fixed the wifi problem quite simply by adding a second wifi router in the house using the house wires. And people complain about not getting a signal when they are other places than home... I just bring my own wifi in the form of a Huawei E586 (Search on Ebay)
On my Acer I had poor wifi, sluggish scrolling and browsing, squicky body, and a front and back part that did not want to stay together down in the left corner, Heavy, FAT, poor battery compared to the ATP, no alternatives regarding dockingstation.....the list just goes on.
And worst of all compared to ATP... Acers EXTREMLY POOR customer service. If you think that ASUS has bad service...try Acer!!!
Updates took forever compared to other tablet makers. I think the tf101 and Xoom got HC 3.2 about 2 months before any Acer tablet did.
I think that Acer A500/501/200 users still have to wait yet another couple of months before they get ICS.
When the A500 came out it had HC 3.0 and people had to wait several months to even get the HC 3.1. If you have ever tried the HC 3.0 you would be reluctant to even so much as try to complain about the ATP.
So if you think that ASUS works slowly to fix things.... THINK AGAIN!!
prizm74 said:
this is kind of weird and hard to understand how you guys settle with a device that has a lot of design flaws on both hardware and software. Asus transformer prime was my first tablet. And to be honest the one I got had nearly no light bleed, an okay wifi, kind of working GPS and fairly stable device in comparison with the horror stories that we all know through the forum. I made the though call return my transformer prime one day before my return window. The idea I had was wait a little until Asus get the problems fixed and buy a great one. However, I realized that I have to have a tablet as waiting for a fixed transformer. So I went ahead and bought a Samsung galaxy tab from Costco which has a 90 days return window. Here is my impression out of my first 10 days
-way stable. Had to reboot only one time due to firmware upgrade.
-no hiccups as I use or browse. It is dual core but performs way better than the balance mode of transformer
-screen readability is better than transformer
-wifi, GPS and Bluetooth works in a way it is suposed to be
- Form factor way comfortable than prime. No sharp uncomfortable edges. Way better feeling in your hand. I don't believe I would have written this.
-battery last way longer than prime
There are a few benefits that prime has over.
super ips display is better for outdoor use
Tergra 3 may be better for tegra optimized games. But I am not a game person and use my tablet for business.
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HAHA your funny!!!! I have both sitting right in front of me and I can tell you the galaxy tab doesn't even come close to the performance as our primes. I have to test on both with our applications at work and I cringe every time I pick it up. Even the ipads 1's perform better then that brick.
Hello,
I'm searching my first tablet, and i've stumbled onto the tablet s. What are pro's and con's of this tablet?
Has it a good screen? Are there some things i need to know before i buy one?
Read it has wifi reception issues but don't know if it is.
For about 40 more i can buy an asus tf300, better performance, but i'm a bit afraid of build quality, and think the tablet s will be better in hand.
Can i upgrade to ics and have it work trouble free?
What about the playstation games to play on the tablet, are they worth it? do the have many titles?
Thanks in advance for the responce.
Regards,
Adam
That is al whole list of questions i will try to answer them all
1. Does it have a good screen.?
- Well.. Yes it has but its not gorilla glas that means it can break faster then other tabs.
- There's already a screen protector on the creen before you buy it.
2. Wi-Fi Reception Issues.?
- If you don't use your tab then your internet is dead, which means that you
must keep the tab awake (not in stand by) till you download has finished.
- The internet browser app crashes somethings but since ICS its not such a huge problem.
anymore because the tablet keeps the browsing history so you don't loose your
last viewed page.
3. SONY Versus ASUS.?
- Every tablet has its own Ups and Downs.
- Correct me if i am wrong, but the ASUS Transformer has a Tegra 3 Chip in it so that means much more power.
- I suppose you will buy the keyboard aswell and thats a huge benefit,
- Sony Tablet S is quite much plastic feeling and the ASUS not that much
4. Can you upgrade to ICS.?
- Yes you can, if you are in a supported country, it doesn't take long anymore for Europe.
- If you can't wait and want root you must follow Condi's Topic in Android Development
5. What about Playstation Games.
- Dont expect to much of it there are to less games.
- Quality is bad, but ok its PSOne understandable right?
- Like I remember Its $5.99 per game.
Success.!
I have bought the S for my father.
Would definitely not get it again. It has a nice design, the IR remote feature is nice, but that is not enough.
The Tegra 2 chip can't even fluently play YouTube videos in the Webbrowser, something my S2 laughs at even at 1080p. (I use the Webbrowser because the app is a bad joke)
The lack of an hdmi output is also very unpleasant. You lose the possibility to watch a movie, play a game on a big screen.
Being used to gorilla glass on my phone, the Tablet S' screen feels kind of cheap and inaccurate in comparison. It often registers double taps that were not intended.
For just 40bucks more I would go with the Asus without hesitation.
With its quadcore its future proofed, Although if I am not wrong it's GPS ducks, if that's a needed feature I would avoid the transformer.
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I mostly agree with Mahaco and his thoughts, but would add a few of my own thoughts.
I am 90 percent happy with my Sony S.
I am able to stream movies and watch videos with ease, perhaps xEraseRx has a poor WiFi signal.
I personally have two complaints.
1- The lack of HDMI output as mentioned. Sony provides an interface that allows you to share with connected devices, but there is no "live" interface. By that I mean you can not stream a movie and view it on your devices.
2- The unique charging port. it is big and bulky and there is no 12V option.
Other than those two complaints I have no real issues. I love the form and would highly recommend the Sony S.
thanks for the reply!!
Need to say that the tf300 also doesn't has the gorilla glass (the prime has but this one does not). This is a difficult one for me, i hope the normal glas feels ok when used.
it has the advantace of the Quad core, but both are "plastic". It's the "cheap" plastic build of the prime, and therefore it has good gps reception.
need to check for the hdmi out doh.
Cheers,
Adam
The dlna service works fine, but it is not a replacement for a hdmi out.
Dlna allows you to stream the content (pictures, music and video only) stored on your device to other devices supporting the dlna standard. No more no less.
It's great to enjoy the pictures and videos I took on my last holiday trip on a big screen, but it only works because the pictures are stored locally on the device.
You can't play a game on a big screen over dlna.
You can't play a movie from the Internet browser, or YouTube or whatever application but the stock video player (well actually there should be others that support dlna as well).
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I'm incredibly happy with my Tablet. Since my house is full of DLNA devices, the lack of HDMI out doesn't really bother me. I don't use the PS games much either.
I absolutely love the design that always feels light and comfortable in your hand. The screen is very good (but be wary of screen protectors as some add impractical amounts of glare). I've never had the WiFi problems some users complain of, and I'm still using Honeycomb, but I love it. The IR blaster is brilliant, and the Tablet experience as a whole has been great.
In my opinion, the decision should come down more to what you're going to use it for. The TF300 has the keyboard and the larger screen, plus the extra horsepower, so if you're looking for a laptop replacement, the TF300 is probably the go. If you're looking for a portable tablet that's great to use and is perfect for watching your media on the go etc, I would go for the Tablet S. That's just me, however.
Only annoyance with my Tablet: Weird power connector. Not a huge fan.
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I'm incredibly happy with my Tablet. Since my house is full of DLNA devices, the lack of HDMI out doesn't really bother me. I don't use the PS games much either.
I absolutely love the design that always feels light and comfortable in your hand. The screen is very good (but be wary of screen protectors as some add impractical amounts of glare). I've never had the WiFi problems some users complain of, and I'm still using Honeycomb, but I love it. The IR blaster is brilliant, and the Tablet experience as a whole has been great.
In my opinion, the decision should come down more to what you're going to use it for. The TF300 has the keyboard and the larger screen, plus the extra horsepower, so if you're looking for a laptop replacement, the TF300 is probably the go. If you're looking for a portable tablet that's great to use and is perfect for watching your media on the go etc, I would go for the Tablet S. That's just me, however.
Only annoyance with my Tablet: Weird power connector. Not a huge fan.
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I agree that a lot depends on your usage. There are a few more powerful, and a few like the TF300 that come with a keyboard.
I use my tablet primarily as a media viewer, book reader and watching TV web surfer and for that it is perfect.
I especially love the folded edge for reading. Seriously this is a huge selling point for me. Try and hold any other devices for more than ten minutes and you will get serious cramps. I can read for an hour straight and be totally comfortable.
Get the tf300.
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Im currently a tf700 owner. No we have had our issues with the tf700 but for all intents purpose it has served me very well. The keyboard dock is clutch for class note taking and long emailing. Now hearing about the N10 got me excited because i am a huge nexus fan like many of you. However once the design the specs on the N10 came out...i was a little disappointed.
First is the design... I mean WTF seriously plastic again samsung? There is something about having an aluminum body that just make the tf700, ipad and other comparable tablets feel premium. Not to mention warranting a heftier price tag..
Second and MOST IMPORTANT is having no micro sd card slot. This is actually a HUGE issue for alot of people. Now i know alot of you will just say "oh just get the 64 gig versions and you should be fine" or " why do you need even more memory"... but the size is not the problem. The problem for most users is the inability to secure your files in case of a crash or malfunction. When using my tf700, my phone or any mobile device, i always back up all my notes, movies, music and any sensitive documents to the sd card i have mounted in case of a system failure. There isnt a single android device out there ( or any device for that matter) that is not susceptible to a malfunction or crash, including the nexus product ( remember the N7 debacle at the launch...ouch!). On top of the fact that i like to transfer my file easily from one platform to another (desktop to tablet and vice versa, phone to tablet and vice versa...) without the need for whipping out a transfer cable or internet access, it just seems pretty lazy on the part of google and samsung to not include the option. Losing this huge personal security feature alone really turned me off from wanting to purchase.
The last point that really got me disappointed was the screen. Looking at all the comparisons videos online of how the N10 stacks up to the tf700, ipad, Note and N7, most of the reviewers agree that they is very little if not novel difference in the screen in real time use. Most even go as far to say that the battery hit taken by the non significant difference in the screen resolution is a huge turn off for most users.
All in all i wanted to love the new N10 because i am a nexus fan at heart, but there is no way i could justify the purchase with the problems it is already presenting.
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Are you serious? Imagine every idiot creating a new thread because he's not buying one.
Mods please consolidate this cluttered crap.
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Im currently a tf700 owner. No we have had our issues with the tf700 but for all intents purpose it has served me very well. The keyboard dock is clutch for class note taking and long emailing. Now hearing about the N10 got me excited because i am a huge nexus fan like many of you. However once the design the specs on the N10 came out...i was a little disappointed.
First is the design... I mean WTF seriously plastic again samsung? There is something about having an aluminum body that just make the tf700, ipad and other comparable tablets feel premium. Not to mention warranting a heftier price tag..
Second and MOST IMPORTANT is having no micro sd card slot. This is actually a HUGE issue for alot of people. Now i know alot of you will just say "oh just get the 64 gig versions and you should be fine" or " why do you need even more memory"... but the size is not the problem. The problem for most users is the inability to secure your files in case of a crash or malfunction. When using my tf700, my phone or any mobile device, i always back up all my notes, movies, music and any sensitive documents to the sd card i have mounted in case of a system failure. There isnt a single android device out there ( or any device for that matter) that is not susceptible to a malfunction or crash, including the nexus product ( remember the N7 debacle at the launch...ouch!). On top of the fact that i like to transfer my file easily from one platform to another (desktop to tablet and vice versa, phone to tablet and vice versa...) without the need for whipping out a transfer cable or internet access, it just seems pretty lazy on the part of google and samsung to not include the option. Losing this huge personal security feature alone really turned me off from wanting to purchase.
The last point that really got me disappointed was the screen. Looking at all the comparisons videos online of how the N10 stacks up to the tf700, ipad, Note and N7, most of the reviewers agree that they is very little if not novel difference in the screen in real time use. Most even go as far to say that the battery hit taken by the non significant difference in the screen resolution is a huge turn off for most users.
All in all i wanted to love the new N10 because i am a nexus fan at heart, but there is no way i could justify the purchase with the problems it is already presenting.
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Good...one less person in queue ahead of me in the Play store.
I hear a lot of people reasoning with themselves out loud as to why they won't be buying a N10/iPad Mini/MS Surface. This must mean that the tablet wars of 12/12 has officially arrived. :laugh:
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Are you serious? Imagine every idiot creating a new thread because he's not buying one.
Mods please consolidate this cluttered crap.
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This was simply a comparison thread, no need for name calling... You have the right to your opinion, but you also have to be respectful on these boards, name calling is just as much reason to kick you from these boards...
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sunoryjim said:
Good...one less person in queue ahead of me in the Play store.
I hear a lot of people reasoning with themselves out loud as to why they won't be buying a N10/iPad Mini/MS Surface. This must mean that the tablet wars of 12/12 has officially arrived. :laugh:
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Lol i guess your right, though the surface does look enticing. We will have to see how its ecosystem plays out. I am always up for getting the latest and greatest. But it has to both lol. The n10 is definitely the latest, but missing that microsd really sets it back.
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The screen is not an issue. $399 for a screen like that plus the most powerful SOC around is a hook, not the deterrent. lol
I prefer plastic, the ipad 3 was too heavy and plastic is definitely not an ISSUE to anyone except the itards and the Samsung haters.
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Let me reiterate, a solid and light plastic construction with no creaks or wobbles even from the toughest abuse(Galaxy S3, Nexus 10) or temperature changes is not an issue.
An issue is like massive screen lift, catching on fire, digitizers sticking out from the shell, overheating etc. You know, things that barely ever happen to products that are made out of this "cheap" plastic Samsung uses. These issues tend to only happen to these "amazingly' solid aluminum or non cheap plastic that Asus uses. lol
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The screen is not an issue. $399 for a screen like that plus the most powerful SOC around is hook, not the deterrent. lol
I prefer plastic, the ipad 3 was too heavy and plastic is definitely not an ISSUE to anyone except the itards and the Samsung haters.
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Alright fair enough, again name calling and insulting is not tolerated on these boards. How about the sd card issue? And the battery drain issue from the screen resolution? Pretty sure thats a "serious issue" as well...
[EDIT:] Just an fyi, the ipad 3 and the N10 weight the same 1.44 pounds...just saying
pierrekid said:
Alright fair enough, again name calling and insulting is not tolerated on these boards. How about the sd card issue? And the battery drain issue from the screen resolution? Pretty sure thats a "serious issue" as well...
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Most reviews say that the battery life is pretty good. Sure they had to cram in a huge battery like the ipad needed to but that is perfectly fine since it is still light, plastic, and thin. They didn't need to make it fatter than the Note 10.1 like Apple had to make the ipad 3 fatter than the ipad 2. I think the benefits of the ppi in terms of text and marketing is worth the cost,
The micro SD card slot is a negative but I still wouldn't call it an issue. An issue should be used to describe something that is not working as intended by the manufacturer. The plastic construction and lack of micro SD is calculated. you might not agree with the design and design choices but they are not issues.
I say the name calling is slightly justified because the abuse of the word "issue" is a clear signal for a trolling party. In this case, I am guessing that you are not a fan of Samsung and like to troll them. Correct?
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pierrekid said:
Alright fair enough, again name calling and insulting is not tolerated on these boards. How about the sd card issue? And the battery drain issue from the screen resolution? Pretty sure thats a "serious issue" as well...
[EDIT:] Just an fyi, the ipad 3 and the N10 weight the same 1.44 pounds...just saying
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No they don't weight the same. I suggest you get your specifications from another website.
From reading the reviews, the battery drain doesn't seem too bad. We will never know for sure until we have some real world testing. Charging through micro usb will be a bit slower.
The sd card is sort of an issue, but I think a usb otg and flash drive/external hdd will suit me well. Also have the option of nas at home that you can download/stream from. No nexus devices have had sd cards so far so if that is really a deal breaker for people I guess it is what it is.
The n10 isn't perfect, but right now I see it as one of the best Android tablets on the market right now.
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Alright fair enough, again name calling and insulting is not tolerated on these boards. How about the sd card issue? And the battery drain issue from the screen resolution? Pretty sure thats a "serious issue" as well...
[EDIT:] Just an fyi, the ipad 3 and the N10 weight the same 1.44 pounds...just saying
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You should get the specs from google play store and apple official website:
ipad with retina: 662g
nexus 10: 603g
I used 'g' because google play store only shows 'g'
pierrekid said:
Im currently a tf700 owner. No we have had our issues with the tf700 but for all intents purpose it has served me very well. The keyboard dock is clutch for class note taking and long emailing. Now hearing about the N10 got me excited because i am a huge nexus fan like many of you. However once the design the specs on the N10 came out...i was a little disappointed.
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Unfortunately, Google just doesn't want to target your use case. This latest iteration of the tablet UI shows that they are content with a tablet being a large phone. Since Google is primarily targeting media consumption it is not a big deal to waste a good bit of UI real estate on black bars, etc. Likewise, I don't think you'll see a Transformer-like keyboard dock because that is beyond what Google is targeting with the Nexus 10.
I personally don't agree with Google's approach. I want Android/Nexus 10 to be able to have multiple applications on the screen at once like the Windows 8 tablets and have a keyboard dock like Transformers. If I'm going to pay ~$500 for a tablet then it should be more than a phone with a larger screen.
First is the design... I mean WTF seriously plastic again samsung? There is something about having an aluminum body that just make the tf700, ipad and other comparable tablets feel premium. Not to mention warranting a heftier price tag..
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I disagree here. Plastic != always bad. I prefer a soft coated hard plastic to a metal back any day. That's assuming the plastic isn't cheap flexible junk. The metal on the Transformers doesn't really add any real protection, it scratches way too easily, and its generally heavier. In other words, if the plastic is done well then it can be better than a metal backing.
From what I've seen most people enjoy the Nexus 7's plastic and from early reviews people seem to like the Nexus 10's as well.
Second and MOST IMPORTANT is having no micro sd card slot. This is actually a HUGE issue for alot of people. Now i know alot of you will just say "oh just get the 64 gig versions and you should be fine" or " why do you need even more memory"... but the size is not the problem. The problem for most users is the inability to secure your files in case of a crash or malfunction. When using my tf700, my phone or any mobile device, i always back up all my notes, movies, music and any sensitive documents to the sd card i have mounted in case of a system failure. There isnt a single android device out there ( or any device for that matter) that is not susceptible to a malfunction or crash, including the nexus product ( remember the N7 debacle at the launch...ouch!). On top of the fact that i like to transfer my file easily from one platform to another (desktop to tablet and vice versa, phone to tablet and vice versa...) without the need for whipping out a transfer cable or internet access, it just seems pretty lazy on the part of google and samsung to not include the option. Losing this huge personal security feature alone really turned me off from wanting to purchase.
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I agree here, but again, Google simply isn't targeting your use case. In their eyes, the Nexus 10 is a dumb device that acts as a portal to media and if you do view or edit a document then it will be in the cloud.
The last point that really got me disappointed was the screen. Looking at all the comparisons videos online of how the N10 stacks up to the tf700, ipad, Note and N7, most of the reviewers agree that they is very little if not novel difference in the screen in real time use. Most even go as far to say that the battery hit taken by the non significant difference in the screen resolution is a huge turn off for most users.
All in all i wanted to love the new N10 because i am a nexus fan at heart, but there is no way i could justify the purchase with the problems it is already presenting.
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From what I've seen the screen looks to be pretty great. I'm not sure why you think it would be that much better than the TF700's which already has one of the best screens available. Compared to the TF101 and most other previous Android tablets the Nexus 10 will look phenomenal.
I'm also not sure why you think the Nexus 10's screen will be such a large battery drain compared to the TF700. In reality, we have no idea which screen will be more power hungry. Yes, the Nexus 10 has more pixels than the TF700 but pushing a few extra pixels is nothing compared to backlight power drain. While one could argue that the Nexus 10 having more pixels than the TF700 will require more computational resources. However, the GPU and CPU in the Nexus 10 should be slightly more efficient than Tegra 3 making it mostly a wash. In terms of the backlights, I have no idea which requires more power and I don't think the reviewers do either.
Let's get technical. Definition class!
issues
1an important topic or problem for debate or discussion: the issue of racism raising awareness of environmental issues
(issues) personal problems or difficulties: emotions and intimacy issues that were largely dealt with through alcohol I like him, though I have some issues with the guy
(issues) problems or difficulties, especially with a service or facility: a small number of users are experiencing connectivity issues
Does a plastic construction really fall under a problem? No. More like a solution to a lighter and more heat resistant product. It would be an issue if the construction affected durability or how well the product operates but I highly doubt that.
Is the lack of a micro SD card an issue? I might give him that one if I was really feeling generous but it's a tough sell. Maybe in the right context. If I had to transfer 16.5 gb of files to another system and the Nexus 10 was designed for that specific task then that would be an issue because it wasn't designed with enough memory to accomplish that specific task. However, I wouldn't call the lack of a micro SD card slot an issue or a problem because it was designed that way and manufactured to be that way, it is not a defect,
An issue would be closer to a problem or a defect rather than something that was just was not included on purpose.
Before this becomes even more of a flamefest, I am going to close it.
@pierrekid, I am happy that you are staying with your current tablet and wish you all the best. It is too bad that the N10 specs don't fit your ideal tablet thoughts. Good luck in your future and if you do decide to get an N10, you know where we are.
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