Was thinking about getting the N10...now not so much

Was thinking about getting the N10...now not so much - Nexus 10 General

Im currently a tf700 owner. No we have had our issues with the tf700 but for all intents purpose it has served me very well. The keyboard dock is clutch for class note taking and long emailing. Now hearing about the N10 got me excited because i am a huge nexus fan like many of you. However once the design the specs on the N10 came out...i was a little disappointed.
First is the design... I mean WTF seriously plastic again samsung? There is something about having an aluminum body that just make the tf700, ipad and other comparable tablets feel premium. Not to mention warranting a heftier price tag..
Second and MOST IMPORTANT is having no micro sd card slot. This is actually a HUGE issue for alot of people. Now i know alot of you will just say "oh just get the 64 gig versions and you should be fine" or " why do you need even more memory"... but the size is not the problem. The problem for most users is the inability to secure your files in case of a crash or malfunction. When using my tf700, my phone or any mobile device, i always back up all my notes, movies, music and any sensitive documents to the sd card i have mounted in case of a system failure. There isnt a single android device out there ( or any device for that matter) that is not susceptible to a malfunction or crash, including the nexus product ( remember the N7 debacle at the launch...ouch!). On top of the fact that i like to transfer my file easily from one platform to another (desktop to tablet and vice versa, phone to tablet and vice versa...) without the need for whipping out a transfer cable or internet access, it just seems pretty lazy on the part of google and samsung to not include the option. Losing this huge personal security feature alone really turned me off from wanting to purchase.
The last point that really got me disappointed was the screen. Looking at all the comparisons videos online of how the N10 stacks up to the tf700, ipad, Note and N7, most of the reviewers agree that they is very little if not novel difference in the screen in real time use. Most even go as far to say that the battery hit taken by the non significant difference in the screen resolution is a huge turn off for most users.
All in all i wanted to love the new N10 because i am a nexus fan at heart, but there is no way i could justify the purchase with the problems it is already presenting.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T

Are you serious? Imagine every idiot creating a new thread because he's not buying one.
Mods please consolidate this cluttered crap.

mi7chy said:
Are you serious? Imagine every idiot creating a new thread because he's not buying one.
Mods please consolidate this cluttered crap.
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This was simply a comparison thread, no need for name calling... You have the right to your opinion, but you also have to be respectful on these boards, name calling is just as much reason to kick you from these boards...
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T

sunoryjim said:
Good...one less person in queue ahead of me in the Play store.
I hear a lot of people reasoning with themselves out loud as to why they won't be buying a N10/iPad Mini/MS Surface. This must mean that the tablet wars of 12/12 has officially arrived. :laugh:
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Lol i guess your right, though the surface does look enticing. We will have to see how its ecosystem plays out. I am always up for getting the latest and greatest. But it has to both lol. The n10 is definitely the latest, but missing that microsd really sets it back.
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The screen is not an issue. $399 for a screen like that plus the most powerful SOC around is a hook, not the deterrent. lol
I prefer plastic, the ipad 3 was too heavy and plastic is definitely not an ISSUE to anyone except the itards and the Samsung haters.
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Let me reiterate, a solid and light plastic construction with no creaks or wobbles even from the toughest abuse(Galaxy S3, Nexus 10) or temperature changes is not an issue.
An issue is like massive screen lift, catching on fire, digitizers sticking out from the shell, overheating etc. You know, things that barely ever happen to products that are made out of this "cheap" plastic Samsung uses. These issues tend to only happen to these "amazingly' solid aluminum or non cheap plastic that Asus uses. lol

Tomatoes8 said:
The screen is not an issue. $399 for a screen like that plus the most powerful SOC around is hook, not the deterrent. lol
I prefer plastic, the ipad 3 was too heavy and plastic is definitely not an ISSUE to anyone except the itards and the Samsung haters.
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Alright fair enough, again name calling and insulting is not tolerated on these boards. How about the sd card issue? And the battery drain issue from the screen resolution? Pretty sure thats a "serious issue" as well...
[EDIT:] Just an fyi, the ipad 3 and the N10 weight the same 1.44 pounds...just saying

pierrekid said:
Alright fair enough, again name calling and insulting is not tolerated on these boards. How about the sd card issue? And the battery drain issue from the screen resolution? Pretty sure thats a "serious issue" as well...
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T
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Most reviews say that the battery life is pretty good. Sure they had to cram in a huge battery like the ipad needed to but that is perfectly fine since it is still light, plastic, and thin. They didn't need to make it fatter than the Note 10.1 like Apple had to make the ipad 3 fatter than the ipad 2. I think the benefits of the ppi in terms of text and marketing is worth the cost,
The micro SD card slot is a negative but I still wouldn't call it an issue. An issue should be used to describe something that is not working as intended by the manufacturer. The plastic construction and lack of micro SD is calculated. you might not agree with the design and design choices but they are not issues.
I say the name calling is slightly justified because the abuse of the word "issue" is a clear signal for a trolling party. In this case, I am guessing that you are not a fan of Samsung and like to troll them. Correct?
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pierrekid said:
Alright fair enough, again name calling and insulting is not tolerated on these boards. How about the sd card issue? And the battery drain issue from the screen resolution? Pretty sure thats a "serious issue" as well...
[EDIT:] Just an fyi, the ipad 3 and the N10 weight the same 1.44 pounds...just saying
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No they don't weight the same. I suggest you get your specifications from another website.

From reading the reviews, the battery drain doesn't seem too bad. We will never know for sure until we have some real world testing. Charging through micro usb will be a bit slower.
The sd card is sort of an issue, but I think a usb otg and flash drive/external hdd will suit me well. Also have the option of nas at home that you can download/stream from. No nexus devices have had sd cards so far so if that is really a deal breaker for people I guess it is what it is.
The n10 isn't perfect, but right now I see it as one of the best Android tablets on the market right now.

pierrekid said:
Alright fair enough, again name calling and insulting is not tolerated on these boards. How about the sd card issue? And the battery drain issue from the screen resolution? Pretty sure thats a "serious issue" as well...
[EDIT:] Just an fyi, the ipad 3 and the N10 weight the same 1.44 pounds...just saying
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You should get the specs from google play store and apple official website:
ipad with retina: 662g
nexus 10: 603g
I used 'g' because google play store only shows 'g'

pierrekid said:
Im currently a tf700 owner. No we have had our issues with the tf700 but for all intents purpose it has served me very well. The keyboard dock is clutch for class note taking and long emailing. Now hearing about the N10 got me excited because i am a huge nexus fan like many of you. However once the design the specs on the N10 came out...i was a little disappointed.
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Unfortunately, Google just doesn't want to target your use case. This latest iteration of the tablet UI shows that they are content with a tablet being a large phone. Since Google is primarily targeting media consumption it is not a big deal to waste a good bit of UI real estate on black bars, etc. Likewise, I don't think you'll see a Transformer-like keyboard dock because that is beyond what Google is targeting with the Nexus 10.
I personally don't agree with Google's approach. I want Android/Nexus 10 to be able to have multiple applications on the screen at once like the Windows 8 tablets and have a keyboard dock like Transformers. If I'm going to pay ~$500 for a tablet then it should be more than a phone with a larger screen.
First is the design... I mean WTF seriously plastic again samsung? There is something about having an aluminum body that just make the tf700, ipad and other comparable tablets feel premium. Not to mention warranting a heftier price tag..
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I disagree here. Plastic != always bad. I prefer a soft coated hard plastic to a metal back any day. That's assuming the plastic isn't cheap flexible junk. The metal on the Transformers doesn't really add any real protection, it scratches way too easily, and its generally heavier. In other words, if the plastic is done well then it can be better than a metal backing.
From what I've seen most people enjoy the Nexus 7's plastic and from early reviews people seem to like the Nexus 10's as well.
Second and MOST IMPORTANT is having no micro sd card slot. This is actually a HUGE issue for alot of people. Now i know alot of you will just say "oh just get the 64 gig versions and you should be fine" or " why do you need even more memory"... but the size is not the problem. The problem for most users is the inability to secure your files in case of a crash or malfunction. When using my tf700, my phone or any mobile device, i always back up all my notes, movies, music and any sensitive documents to the sd card i have mounted in case of a system failure. There isnt a single android device out there ( or any device for that matter) that is not susceptible to a malfunction or crash, including the nexus product ( remember the N7 debacle at the launch...ouch!). On top of the fact that i like to transfer my file easily from one platform to another (desktop to tablet and vice versa, phone to tablet and vice versa...) without the need for whipping out a transfer cable or internet access, it just seems pretty lazy on the part of google and samsung to not include the option. Losing this huge personal security feature alone really turned me off from wanting to purchase.
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I agree here, but again, Google simply isn't targeting your use case. In their eyes, the Nexus 10 is a dumb device that acts as a portal to media and if you do view or edit a document then it will be in the cloud.
The last point that really got me disappointed was the screen. Looking at all the comparisons videos online of how the N10 stacks up to the tf700, ipad, Note and N7, most of the reviewers agree that they is very little if not novel difference in the screen in real time use. Most even go as far to say that the battery hit taken by the non significant difference in the screen resolution is a huge turn off for most users.
All in all i wanted to love the new N10 because i am a nexus fan at heart, but there is no way i could justify the purchase with the problems it is already presenting.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T
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From what I've seen the screen looks to be pretty great. I'm not sure why you think it would be that much better than the TF700's which already has one of the best screens available. Compared to the TF101 and most other previous Android tablets the Nexus 10 will look phenomenal.
I'm also not sure why you think the Nexus 10's screen will be such a large battery drain compared to the TF700. In reality, we have no idea which screen will be more power hungry. Yes, the Nexus 10 has more pixels than the TF700 but pushing a few extra pixels is nothing compared to backlight power drain. While one could argue that the Nexus 10 having more pixels than the TF700 will require more computational resources. However, the GPU and CPU in the Nexus 10 should be slightly more efficient than Tegra 3 making it mostly a wash. In terms of the backlights, I have no idea which requires more power and I don't think the reviewers do either.

Let's get technical. Definition class!
issues
1an important topic or problem for debate or discussion: the issue of racism raising awareness of environmental issues
(issues) personal problems or difficulties: emotions and intimacy issues that were largely dealt with through alcohol I like him, though I have some issues with the guy
(issues) problems or difficulties, especially with a service or facility: a small number of users are experiencing connectivity issues
Does a plastic construction really fall under a problem? No. More like a solution to a lighter and more heat resistant product. It would be an issue if the construction affected durability or how well the product operates but I highly doubt that.
Is the lack of a micro SD card an issue? I might give him that one if I was really feeling generous but it's a tough sell. Maybe in the right context. If I had to transfer 16.5 gb of files to another system and the Nexus 10 was designed for that specific task then that would be an issue because it wasn't designed with enough memory to accomplish that specific task. However, I wouldn't call the lack of a micro SD card slot an issue or a problem because it was designed that way and manufactured to be that way, it is not a defect,
An issue would be closer to a problem or a defect rather than something that was just was not included on purpose.

Before this becomes even more of a flamefest, I am going to close it.
@pierrekid, I am happy that you are staying with your current tablet and wish you all the best. It is too bad that the N10 specs don't fit your ideal tablet thoughts. Good luck in your future and if you do decide to get an N10, you know where we are.
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[Q] Writing on the touch screen produces wavy lines?

Just got my TF201 last night and I tried out some capacitive pens on it. One thing I noticed, even with my finger, is that a straight line does not come out straight. Using Supernote, i drew lines, curves, circles, letters, and they are all bumpy, as though the digitizer is not making a straight line. This can also be seen from the Developer Options in settings when using Show Pointer Location. On my GNex, it looks perfectly straight. But on the Prime, it's very wavy. Is this just inherent to tablets (maybe the bigger screen means a lower res digitizer) or just to the Prime or just to MY Prime?
I'd post examples but I don't have it with me at the moment.

No one... 22 views and no one has bothered to try it on their tablet?

Confirmed. More noticeable with diagonal lines. I wonder if it is down to the number of digitizer pixels just generating quantisation noise.

got it a bit on mine as well. Also pretty well only on the diagonal lines.
They are not big jumps, but big enough especially if you are planning on doing any precise small lines/writing

EXACTLY!!!! THANK YOu!!!!!!
it must be Prime's digitizer. seems lo res. and yea i notice it most on diagonal lines.
i went to Best Buy and did the same test on the xoom, thrive, and tf101. The digitizer on the TF101 and 201 are much much more responsive, BUT they are bumpy on the diagonal lines, the TF101 did better if i drew faster. But the xoom and thrive were super smooth no matter how slow i went.
very disappointing.
anyone else please?
PS I'll post comparative photos when i can

Have you been able to do hand write any small text? I find its almost impossible to do. It doesn't always like to register the lines when they are small movements. e seems to be one that really doesnt work well, I think because you never move very far from where you start. Not sure if this "threshold" of movement before it decides to draw a line is software based or somehow built into the hardware.

writing small doesn't work well. even on my nexus which has a very nice response. if you use the Supernote, which is a great app (asus stock app), there is a button on the top that you can turn on the writing guide and it's like you are writing on a big piece of lined paper, makes it way easier to just how big to write.
but the diagonal paths still suck.

My old Nexus One has the same problem. Strange why Asus would bundle note-taking apps with a touch panel that clearly isn't designed for it. Hopefully that Atmel maxstylus thing will come to fruition.

on the xoom and thrive, they were perfect.
but the first asus tablet was slight better but still had the same bumpyness.
the prime's is very bumpy.
makes one wonder, who the hell designs and tests (or not tests) these things that cost half a grand. it would seem someone who shouldn't be designing and no one testing designs.

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on the xoom and thrive, they were perfect.
but the first asus tablet was slight better but still had the same bumpyness.
the prime's is very bumpy.
makes one wonder, who the hell designs and tests (or not tests) these things that cost half a grand. it would seem someone who shouldn't be designing and no one testing designs.
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Where does Asus get off putting the Prime out there as a "Premium" Tablet, with so many obvious R&D issues. I understand cost cutting, and while I am upset by that type of approach, the realities of a low margin business like hardware are understandable.
What I do NOT understand is how Asus, a company that traditionally has been know for HARDWARE, and for providing lot's of cutting edge technologies on their motherboards, ended up letting AsusDesign run the show on the Prime. Yes, the "Spun Metal" design was very attractive, and got the attention Techies and Non-Techies alike.
But even if their testing and research were SO POOR as to miss the GPS issue entirely (which I find amazing. If they missed it, they are lame. If they KNEW, they are dishonest. Either way it destroys any respect I had for the company, which they put the final touch on by showing a fixed product, dressed as a NEW product, while people were already fuming over being sold a defective design. I am not trying to dredge up that whole mess again, just saying that they show VERY bad judgement on stuff like this, time after time. Asus would like to be competitive in the Consumer PRODUCT marketplace, but they are still acting like a small HARDWARE Supplier.
Ahh well, I will stop mybellyaching, as it's not productive. But this digitizer performance, once again having the OG Transformer come out working better that the Prime is REALLY starting to Piss ME OFF!!!
I would HOPE, that after Asus gets done wiping the egg off their face (again) that the lesson learned is: 1. Design and TEST, then redesign and Test, etc... a "premium" or superior or bleeding edge device, and when it it truly ready for Prime Time (pun intended) THEN.... 2. Let AsusDesign have their way with it, and then TEST AGAIN, to validate the design does not compromise the function.
I knew Asus was young, but had I known the level of immaturity, and poor judgement when under pressure, I would probably have steered clear of the Prime... I HOPE I would have been that smart, and not let my desire get in the way of common sense.
There is a fairly high percentage of folks who will defend this tablet against ANY argument. I a sick to death of "I use my phone for GPS, why would I need it in a tablet... blah blah blah.
As an engineer, I have the deepest respect for elegant, and innovative design. That what drew me to the Prime, as the OG was quite good, but this promised to up the ante significantly. I also demand, as much as possible that all of my hardware, from my Tablet to my Leaf Blower work AS DESIGNED.
I see exactly what you are referring to un

you might have a problem with your digitizer indeed. try performing this test?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AmWOTcR7Qg

I have same issue on galaxy tab 10.1.
Drawing diagonals really slowly makes them wavy.
Tested the stylus on htc desire - same thing...
Using finger - waves are smaller, almost unnoticeable.
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arizal

We should appreciate the transformer prime more.

With all the complaints in this forum, you'd think this was a bad device.
I'll tell you, over in the tf101 forum there was no where near as many complaints and the tf101 wasn't the perfect device either.
The prime is an improvement in alot of ways.
The tf101 had backlight bleeds, I went through 3 of them before I settled.
The tf101 was sluggish, no one here can fully respect the power of the tegra 3 processor without experiencing the tegra 2. The boot time was like 4 minutes, it was slow in alot of areas that the prime isn't.
It had to use honeycomb up until 2 weeks ago, that's about a year - prime owners got it asap with a slew of support from asus for the gps/wifi issues.
The tf101 had keyboard dock issues, alot of the docks had to be sent back in.
It was fat and plastic. It was brown. It collected dust under it's camera.
It wasn't perfect.
But what device is? Galaxy tabs are diet vanilla, nothing really special or innovative about them. The follow the ipad status quo. Toshiba tabs are jokes on battery life. Acers are humongous. Ipads use proprietary apple garbage and are extremely limited by their OEM.
When I got my prime I would grip this thing tightly and say to myself "I own a ****ing transformer prime".
I waited for this thing for months through using my tf101, when everyone was hoping Q4 release meant October, but october stretched on to november, and then december when it finally came out.
But this exceptional tablet gets overshadowed by a couple of it's faults, rather than how great it's advantages are.
We own the world's first quad core tablet, it's thin, it's beautiful, it get's ridiculous battery life with it's incredibly well designed keyboard dock. We have usb connectivity, micro sd, full sized sd, hdmi, etc. Some devices don't have any of those, let alone all of them like we do.
Sure something better will come. Maybe you want a more expensive Ipad 3 with a redundant screen resolution, slower cpu, thicker design to compensate for it's thirst of excessive battery life, and lack of expansion. It's not perfect and the devices after it won't be either...
It's time we be happy prime owners. Asus did design a good device, and they don't receive credit where credit is due. I'm proud to own this tablet.

@OP: The Church of Primetology seeks chaplain
!Hail to you, oh holy Prime, father of connection lacking communication specialists!
Forgive me that I don't see your creators wisdom as he provided you also with that microsd slot so this shall be your door to the world.
Just let your green light shine and don't punch the xcsd out again because I will not find it in the sewage where I would be looking for my missing GPS if you hadn't already disappeared somewhere on a shelf of the ASUS repdep. Thank you for having enlighten my life longer than a week. Which is exceptional or was it the rule?
Give me a thank or another tablet will you.

I endorse the OP post. I ran out of thanks. good viewpoint/angle on the situation. preach on my brother thrash all those who committed sins against the prime. they need redemption NOW! lol

lolololololololol

Agree w the OP. I ranted about its short comings when I first got it, but after using it for a few weeks, I love it. It really is a beautiful device and fast. Its my first tab so maybe my expectations were too high at first.
BTW, what do you mean by redundant screen?

This a great device once you get it to work without crash. Everything's stable for me on .15 nd the browsing is super fast thanks to OC 1.6ghz ... its perfect for what I do

Honestly looking at benchmark (I'm at 13162) scores its the best android device out now by far
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I really like it. I'm not an Asus fanboy, in fact I try as hard as possible to not be a fanboy of anything.
That being said, there were and are shortcomings. But over time the bugs will get ironed out, CM9 and other ROM makers will do some wonders.
I don't know, when I use the Prime (especially with the new floaty browser!) I feel more like I'm using a computer, not an appliance. You know, file management is in my hands, I can f*** around with the OS, break it if I want. Whenever I use my friends' or coworkers' iDevices they just feel like appliances with a shallow OS.
But I'm not trying to sell anyone on it. Some people like it, some people don't. I like seams, I like tinkering. I learn more from it. All those folks complaining about their wifi, gps, screen issues; I guarantee you they have learned MUCH more about those aspects of mobile computing because of those faults.

demandarin said:
I endorse the OP post. I ran out of thanks. good viewpoint/angle on the situation. preach on my brother thrash all those who committed sins against the prime. they need redemption NOW! lol
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lol how do you run out of thanks?

nhshah7 said:
lol how do you run out of thanks?
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the thanks button underneath a post. you only have 8 per day.

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BTW, what do you mean by redundant screen?
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OP probably means retina display shows everything so cristallclear now you can look at it through a microscope...
Give me a thank or another tablet will you.

this is kind of weird and hard to understand how you guys settle with a device that has a lot of design flaws on both hardware and software. Asus transformer prime was my first tablet. And to be honest the one I got had nearly no light bleed, an okay wifi, kind of working GPS and fairly stable device in comparison with the horror stories that we all know through the forum. I made the though call return my transformer prime one day before my return window. The idea I had was wait a little until Asus get the problems fixed and buy a great one. However, I realized that I have to have a tablet as waiting for a fixed transformer. So I went ahead and bought a Samsung galaxy tab from Costco which has a 90 days return window. Here is my impression out of my first 10 days
-way stable. Had to reboot only one time due to firmware upgrade.
-no hiccups as I use or browse. It is dual core but performs way better than the balance mode of transformer
-screen readability is better than transformer
-wifi, GPS and Bluetooth works in a way it is suposed to be
- Form factor way comfortable than prime. No sharp uncomfortable edges. Way better feeling in your hand. I don't believe I would have written this.
-battery last way longer than prime
There are a few benefits that prime has over.
super ips display is better for outdoor use
Tergra 3 may be better for tegra optimized games. But I am not a game person and use my tablet for business.

prizm74 said:
this is kind of weird and hard to understand how you guys settle with a device that has a lot of design flaws on both hardware and software. Asus transformer prime was my first tablet. And to be honest the one I got had nearly no light bleed, an okay wifi, kind of working GPS and fairly stable device in comparison with the horror stories that we all know through the forum. I made the though call return my transformer prime one day before my return window. The idea I had was wait a little until Asus get the problems fixed and buy a great one. However, I realized that I have to have a tablet as waiting for a fixed transformer. So I went ahead and bought a Samsung galaxy tab from Costco which has a 90 days return window. Here is my impression out of my first 10 days
-way stable. Had to reboot only one time due to firmware upgrade.
-no hiccups as I use or browse. It is dual core but performs way better than the balance mode of transformer
-screen readability is better than transformer
-wifi, GPS and Bluetooth works in a way it is suposed to be
- Form factor way comfortable than prime. No sharp uncomfortable edges. Way better feeling in your hand. I don't believe I would have written this.
-battery last way longer than prime
There are a few benefits that prime has over.
super ips display is better for outdoor use
Tergra 3 may be better for tegra optimized games. But I am not a game person and use my tablet for business.
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Galaxy tab smoother than the prime, that's cute haha. I can see how those sharp rounded corners would be a pain seeing as how they would break the laws of physics and all, can't be having that.
I'm just meeting with you though, to each his own
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prizm74 said:
this is kind of weird and hard to understand how you guys settle with a device that has a lot of design flaws on both hardware and software. Asus transformer prime was my first tablet. And to be honest the one I got had nearly no light bleed, an okay wifi, kind of working GPS and fairly stable device in comparison with the horror stories that we all know through the forum. I made the though call return my transformer prime one day before my return window. The idea I had was wait a little until Asus get the problems fixed and buy a great one. However, I realized that I have to have a tablet as waiting for a fixed transformer. So I went ahead and bought a Samsung galaxy tab from Costco which has a 90 days return window. Here is my impression out of my first 10 days
-way stable. Had to reboot only one time due to firmware upgrade.
-no hiccups as I use or browse. It is dual core but performs way better than the balance mode of transformer
-screen readability is better than transformer
-wifi, GPS and Bluetooth works in a way it is suposed to be
- Form factor way comfortable than prime. No sharp uncomfortable edges. Way better feeling in your hand. I don't believe I would have written this.
-battery last way longer than prime
There are a few benefits that prime has over.
super ips display is better for outdoor use
Tergra 3 may be better for tegra optimized games. But I am not a game person and use my tablet for business.
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a few things i hate about the galaxy tab 10.1 wifi was the newton rings on the screen...it gets worse and worse over time.
also it did not have a microsd slot nor a micro hdmi.
those were the deal breakers for me

less people complained about Toyotas having brakes that didnt work than have whined like babies about this TOY. and look at that, Toyota's still the #1 car manufacturer. so when people say we ''settled'' for our Primes, they are sorely mistaken. my Prime had to settle for ME as a user, as it is FAR beyond anything i can hope to do. I love my Prime, best gadget I ever bought

agree with the OP
I completely agree with the OP.
This device is really top notch.
Build quality is amazing, quad core is very nice (definitely will be more utilized in the close future, thank you xda ), multitasking is just awesome.
Converting from an ipad, I can safely say BYE APPLE!
Yes the "new ipad" has an amazing screen, I'll take the TFP thank you.

NastroGlide said:
Agree w the OP. I ranted about its short comings when I first got it, but after using it for a few weeks, I love it. It really is a beautiful device and fast. Its my first tab so maybe my expectations were too high at first.
BTW, what do you mean by redundant screen?
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Yeah...........wouldn't want to expect what was advertised !
Design? Who else designs a micro sd card slot that once a card is inserted, it can "Self" eject at any time !
The only thing ground breaking with this tablet is Tegra 3 and an all metal back............but I think we all know why no one else uses an all metal back, by now!

stretchwookie said:
less people complained about Toyotas having brakes that didnt work than have whined like babies about this TOY. and look at that, Toyota's still the #1 car manufacturer. so when people say we ''settled'' for our Primes, they are sorely mistaken. my Prime had to settle for ME as a user, as it is FAR beyond anything i can hope to do. I love my Prime, best gadget I ever bought
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I hate to correct you, but Toyota lost 16% of sales last year and is now no.3 after GM and VW (by a wide margin). Having said that I also have only good things to say about my lovely Prime, but it`s certainly important to note, that I don`t really use the GPS, since that duty is up to my GN. In any case I also respect other opinions, but life is sometimes nicer looking at a glass that is half full compared to viewing it as half empty

Coming from the Acer Iconia A500, I can honestly say that the ATP is WAY better in every way but one. The wifi is slightly poorer than on the Acer. That one was far from perfect either when coming to wifi. And the ranting in the Acer forum is way way less than on this forum.
I am simply AMAZED that some people expect their tablet to have a functionel GPS INDOORS!!! I can´t even get satelite lock indoors with my Garmin car gps.
I fixed the wifi problem quite simply by adding a second wifi router in the house using the house wires. And people complain about not getting a signal when they are other places than home... I just bring my own wifi in the form of a Huawei E586 (Search on Ebay)
On my Acer I had poor wifi, sluggish scrolling and browsing, squicky body, and a front and back part that did not want to stay together down in the left corner, Heavy, FAT, poor battery compared to the ATP, no alternatives regarding dockingstation.....the list just goes on.
And worst of all compared to ATP... Acers EXTREMLY POOR customer service. If you think that ASUS has bad service...try Acer!!!
Updates took forever compared to other tablet makers. I think the tf101 and Xoom got HC 3.2 about 2 months before any Acer tablet did.
I think that Acer A500/501/200 users still have to wait yet another couple of months before they get ICS.
When the A500 came out it had HC 3.0 and people had to wait several months to even get the HC 3.1. If you have ever tried the HC 3.0 you would be reluctant to even so much as try to complain about the ATP.
So if you think that ASUS works slowly to fix things.... THINK AGAIN!!

prizm74 said:
this is kind of weird and hard to understand how you guys settle with a device that has a lot of design flaws on both hardware and software. Asus transformer prime was my first tablet. And to be honest the one I got had nearly no light bleed, an okay wifi, kind of working GPS and fairly stable device in comparison with the horror stories that we all know through the forum. I made the though call return my transformer prime one day before my return window. The idea I had was wait a little until Asus get the problems fixed and buy a great one. However, I realized that I have to have a tablet as waiting for a fixed transformer. So I went ahead and bought a Samsung galaxy tab from Costco which has a 90 days return window. Here is my impression out of my first 10 days
-way stable. Had to reboot only one time due to firmware upgrade.
-no hiccups as I use or browse. It is dual core but performs way better than the balance mode of transformer
-screen readability is better than transformer
-wifi, GPS and Bluetooth works in a way it is suposed to be
- Form factor way comfortable than prime. No sharp uncomfortable edges. Way better feeling in your hand. I don't believe I would have written this.
-battery last way longer than prime
There are a few benefits that prime has over.
super ips display is better for outdoor use
Tergra 3 may be better for tegra optimized games. But I am not a game person and use my tablet for business.
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HAHA your funny!!!! I have both sitting right in front of me and I can tell you the galaxy tab doesn't even come close to the performance as our primes. I have to test on both with our applications at work and I cringe every time I pick it up. Even the ipads 1's perform better then that brick.

What do you think asus could do to make future tablets better?

We know, we know. Better wifi/gps. But what else?
On my list would be:
Battery/energy performance improvements - When I watched the tegra 3 videos for months before it came out I expected a steep increase in battery life performance over my tf101. Although the processor is faster - the battery life is about the same as my tf101, if not slightly worse. 28nm tegra 4 SoC's may improve this - but when I say improvements I want real improvements, not just what apple did with the ipad 3, improve the tablet but not the battery, just put a bigger battery in instead.
GPU improvements over display improvements - This is sort of related to the first improvement. I still fail to see the need for a 1080p+ screen on such a small device. It's a battery killer and 720p is sufficient, maybe a little more would be nice, but what's more important is the gpu. I see the need for a faster gpu, gaming is still in the ps2 / xbox phase - we need to jump up to current day graphics. I can live happily with a 720p display with more battery life and better graphics capabilities.
Less bezel. Self explanatory.
Ability to add folder shortcuts to the homescreen in the stock file manager. This is an essential feature.
More RAM. Even the crappiest netbooks on the market are upgradeable to 4gb, a little more wouldn't hurt.
USB on tablet. An edge the tfp has over the ipad is memory expansion. There is cloud software available - but weening mobile users off of usb isn't going to happen any time soon.
And most importantly...
Production. Asus won't let themselves succeed, they always second guess their products and then on release they are impossible to obtain. Preorders on both the tf101 and prime were backed up for weeks if not months. Asus, manufacturer more than enough to meet the demands of consumers because it's embarrassing when apple can move 3m ipads in 3 days but you can't make a hundred thousand in 3 months. If you can't meet demand - your sales won't increase.

I'm hoping next generation of Asus tablets after infinity pad will have Tegra4 in it. that will be even greater battery life and a dramatic boost in CPU and GPU performance. ill be holding on to my prime till then. nothing I've seen out from the competition makes me want to get rid of the Prime or seem more powerful than it. but honestly I get great battery life on my prime considering how much I use it and the kind of games and emulators I'm running on it. I easily get 10hrs. + battery life. Some may think this battery life not good enough but its the best Android has right now. Prime has the longest lasting battery of any tablet out now. according to Asus own specs, prime will still have better battery life than the Infinity pad or the new 300. the 300 actually has the shortest battery life, I believe. I could be wrong. but I know prime has the longest lasting battery life of all Asus tablets out now or coming out! that's been announced

Quality test the mess out of their next device, if any problem is spotted via web browsing, opening apps, connecting it to a larger TV monitor. Then they need to hold off until releasing it until they get it resolved.
The Transformer Prime should have shipped with all issues ironed out. So the consumer don't have to deal with these issues. Apple does this for it's iphone and iPad, ASUS should have done this or the Transformer Prime.

Default file manager is not perfect. Would love to see improvements aka incorporate what ES and Astro have been doing for a long time.
Better Inputs. The microSD card sticking out is stupid. Just make it more recessed. Same for the Audio jack, only half of it is in, the rest is exposed. Some times I drop audio in one ear, not sure, but I bet its due to this.
Better default features for lockscreen.
Speaker placement, maybe we need two speakers? The location is not great.
Keyboard keys on dock feel cheap. they are light, but when the battery already weighs what it weighs, just give me nicer keys.
WTF. How could ASUS let those chargers out of the factory. If they are plugged in one way, and you hold your tablet, it gives you a fuzzy jolt!
The tilting mechanism of the tablet on the dock kinda makes the tablet fall backwards when open. all the weight of the device is right at the back... it falls backwards all the time for me.
The build quality of the dock. If you pick it up from the side where the tablet docks, the underside metal bows & will make a clicking sound for me. The four rubber circles on the bottom of the dock aren't even! If i set my docked tablet on the table, it will still slide around cuz only 2 rubbers are on the counter.
I would always be happier with more RAM
I would like a better ASUS manager, which CRASHES all the time.
The screen bulging is annoying.
Its bad, the list can go on and on.

demandarin said:
I'm hoping next generation of Asus tablets after infinity pad will have Tegra4 in it. that will be even greater battery life and a dramatic boost in CPU and GPU performance. ill be holding on to my prime till then. nothing I've seen out from the competition makes me want to get rid of the Prime or seem more powerful than it. but honestly I get great battery life on my prime considering how much I use it and the kind of games and emulators I'm running on it. I easily get 10hrs. + battery life. Some may think this battery life not good enough but its the best Android has right now. Prime has the longest lasting battery of any tablet out now. according to Asus own specs, prime will still have better battery life than the Infinity pad or the new 300. the 300 actually has the shortest battery life, I believe. I could be wrong. but I know prime has the longest lasting battery life of all Asus tablets out now or coming out! that's been announced
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Yeap, the tf300/infinity have less battery life from the slide I saw a while back. I don't know why it's that way for the tf300, it should be on par with the tf101 and prime. The tf700 is more obvious, and is one of the reasons I think the 1080p+ screens are a step backwards for mobile devices. But the 4g is also to blame, for shorter battery life. I can't blame asus for that - carriers won't touch the wifi only prime, so with mobile data plans available to the tf700 it will help revenue. At least they won't have to market crappy galaxy tabs or xooms anymore.
The best option in my opinion is a 4g hotspot from clearwire, unlimited data for $45 a month, doesn't drain your tablet battery, you can charge it off the dock in your bag while you use your tablet separately, and it works for more than one device.
Tegra 4 isn't going to impact tablets as much as it will impact netbooks. The 8 core batman version of wayne will be for ultrabooks/netbooks and the robin version will be for tablets & phones. If you've paid any attention to netbooks lately - they're still lacking in the cpu and graphics department, and amd/intel are the big contenders in that department - which is why nvidia has alot to gain by offering an energy efficient 8 core ARM SoC for windows 8 netbooks.
Nvidia is moving forward from taking AMD on in the graphics department and hitting them where it will hurt in the cpu market. And everyone knows intel atom processors are complete ****, so x86/x32 on ultrabooks/netbooks may become a thing of the past if Nvidia can pull this off.

Billyvnilly said:
Default file manager is not perfect. Would love to see improvements aka incorporate what ES and Astro have been doing for a long time.
Better Inputs. The microSD card sticking out is stupid. Just make it more recessed. Same for the Audio jack, only half of it is in, the rest is exposed. Some times I drop audio in one ear, not sure, but I bet its due to this.
Better default features for lockscreen.
Speaker placement, maybe we need two speakers? The location is not great.
Keyboard keys on dock feel cheap. they are light, but when the battery already weighs what it weighs, just give me nicer keys.
WTF. How could ASUS let those chargers out of the factory. If they are plugged in one way, and you hold your tablet, it gives you a fuzzy jolt!
The tilting mechanism of the tablet on the dock kinda makes the tablet fall backwards when open. all the weight of the device is right at the back... it falls backwards all the time for me.
The build quality of the dock. If you pick it up from the side where the tablet docks, the underside metal bows & will make a clicking sound for me. The four rubber circles on the bottom of the dock aren't even! If i set my docked tablet on the table, it will still slide around cuz only 2 rubbers are on the counter.
I would always be happier with more RAM
I would like a better ASUS manager, which CRASHES all the time.
The screen bulging is annoying.
Its bad, the list can go on and on.
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I forgot to mention the microsd card in OP, glad you posted that.
Completely agree on the headphone jack, when I plug my headphones in and put my tablet in my bookbag the headphone connector shimmys it's way out and the audio cuts. It's only been doing this recently though. My fix was to just put the tablet in my bag with the jack facing down so the weight of the tablet keeps it in, not worried about my cables because they are Kevlar reinforced with a slanted jack.
I think speakers on mobile devices are a lost cause to be honest. Laptop speakers have sucked for years and they've had far more room to work with than tablets do. I won't ever be pleased with the speakers on a phone/tablet/laptop until I can hear the subbass frequencies that only my 12 inch sub or pricey beyerdynamic headphones can provide. Which is why my inner audiophile will say it's better just to go out and buy a nice set of headphones if audio quality is a concern.
Chiclet keys are a bit on the annoying side, but they're still usable. I just wish the tablet wasn't so much thicker than the dock, I wish they were even, perhaps cram some extra batteries or speakers in there.

Two words above all else;
Quality Control
Do not release buggy products, test the features you plan to advertise well in advance of the actual product release.
After that?
More RAM. 2 GB minimum. 4 would be better. And worth paying for.
Next up, 16/32 is a fine size to choose from for ROM (on board storage). I bought a 64 GB Prime and have used 8GB. I download apps extensively and never uninstall or delete anything. Maybe I'm missing something here, I don't do much video or take a lot of pics, or have a lot of audio files on my tablet. OTOH, I have a 32gb micro SD card in the dock (with adapter), and would be perfectly content putting pics, movies, short vids, etc, on there.
To the OP, the current bezel is fine. If you never take it out of the dock I could see wanting a smaller bezel, but part of the appeal of the Transformer series is that you CAN take it out of the dock. And when you do remove it, the current size of bezel means you can handle it easily (even with my large hands) without pressing the screen and opening/closing all sorts of apps.
The one physical layout of the Prime that I would change is that there is a button or control or cable plugin on each of the 4 sides.
This means that you have no where to rest if it is charging and you have an audio cable plugged in while you hold it to do something like play a game. I would put the audio plug, volume controls, HDMI plug, and power button all on one side. Leave the USB/Charging port where it is for convenience of keyboard docking. This means you have a short side and a long side that you can choose to rest on the table while playing a game, and you don't have to fight the cables or be concerned about setting the tablet on the power or volume buttons (and either messing up your volume or, worse yet, turning the power off) while doing so.
Edit:
I also forgot about the MicroSD slot. Leaving the (expensive) card half way out to be pressed by random objects and fired across the room by the ejection spring is a very, very poor design decision. If you insist on keeping the curve of the tablet shell put a "half moon" indentation in the shell to allow pressing the fully recessed MicroSD card in for release.

the_game_master said:
Quality test the mess out of their next device, if any problem is spotted via web browsing, opening apps, connecting it to a larger TV monitor. Then they need to hold off until releasing it until they get it resolved.
The Transformer Prime should have shipped with all issues ironed out. So the consumer don't have to deal with these issues. Apple does this for it's iphone and iPad, ASUS should have done this or the Transformer Prime.
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You think iPhone's and iPad's don't have issues of there own? Nothing is perfect. iPhone 4s even with the new antennae design it still has the death grip issue. The new iPad, Yellow-ish tinted screens, overheating, poor wifi.
Lots of things could be added i mean instead of a spring loaded microsd why not a microsim like tray for the microsd?
Some Quality control would be nice, wouldn't scared off some potential customers and retailers.
The Bezel is fine to be honest how else would you hold and rest your thumbs on the screen? While yes they could develop more into the software and have it reject the thumb, Its just not reasonable.
Also a full sized usb you said? How else can they make the device so thin? Maybe a micro usb, but i don't think it can transfer enough data/power while docked.
Display? Well Asus TFP Infinity self-explanatory for the media junkies such as I.
2Gb Ram, better for the multi-tasking android supports and features.
Speakers on the side, eg Galaxy Tab 10.1 first gen.
Metal or more high quality Chiclets keys on the keyboard.
I just hope somehow someway they will get to use a better GPU on the infinity because tegra 3 is great cpu wise, while it does lack a lot in the gpu department. I mean it has to power a 1080p display and it already lags abit on the prime in some games.

reNeglect said:
You think iPhone's and iPad's don't have issues of there own? Nothing is perfect. iPhone 4s even with the new antennae design it still has the death grip issue. The new iPad, Yellow-ish tinted screens, overheating, poor wifi.
Lots of things could be added i mean instead of a spring loaded microsd why not a microsim like tray for the microsd?
Some Quality control would be nice, wouldn't scared off some potential customers and retailers.
The Bezel is fine to be honest how else would you hold and rest your thumbs on the screen? While yes they could develop more into the software and have it reject the thumb, Its just not reasonable.
Also a full sized usb you said? How else can they make the device so thin? Maybe a micro usb, but i don't think it can transfer enough data/power while docked.
Display? Well Asus TFP Infinity self-explanatory for the media junkies such as I.
2Gb Ram, better for the multi-tasking android supports and features.
Speakers on the side, eg Galaxy Tab 10.1 first gen.
Metal or more high quality Chiclets keys on the keyboard.
I just hope somehow someway they will get to use a better GPU on the infinity because tegra 3 is great cpu wise, while it does lack a lot in the gpu department. I mean it has to power a 1080p display and it already lags abit on the prime in some games.
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I don't believe usb port would add to the thickness of a device, the dock is thinner than the tablet and can fit a usb port with room to spare.
There is a need for a bezel, just a smaller one would be nice. I have average sized hands and the bezel is still rather wide for my thumbs, about 70% of the current size would be acceptable.

reNeglect said:
You think iPhone's and iPad's don't have issues of there own? Nothing is perfect. iPhone 4s even with the new antennae design it still has the death grip issue. The new iPad, Yellow-ish tinted screens, overheating, poor wifi.
Lots of things could be added i mean instead of a spring loaded microsd why not a microsim like tray for the microsd?
Some Quality control would be nice, wouldn't scared off some potential customers and retailers.
The Bezel is fine to be honest how else would you hold and rest your thumbs on the screen? While yes they could develop more into the software and have it reject the thumb, Its just not reasonable.
Also a full sized usb you said? How else can they make the device so thin? Maybe a micro usb, but i don't think it can transfer enough data/power while docked.
Display? Well Asus TFP Infinity self-explanatory for the media junkies such as I.
2Gb Ram, better for the multi-tasking android supports and features.
Speakers on the side, eg Galaxy Tab 10.1 first gen.
Metal or more high quality Chiclets keys on the keyboard.
I just hope somehow someway they will get to use a better GPU on the infinity because tegra 3 is great cpu wise, while it does lack a lot in the gpu department. I mean it has to power a 1080p display and it already lags abit on the prime in some games.
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I didn't say Apple products don't have issues. You're missing the point and that's that ASUS did very little quality testing on the TFP with ICS to the point that most of us can't even do basic things like utilizing the web browser, or launching and switching between native apps without the system going bugard with problems.
If one can pick up a competitor product and start surfing the web without experiencing the load stall, wait close response, or abrupt-reboot when switching or launching other default installed apps then that points to a serious problem with the quality control at ASUS and Google.
As I said in another thread, Android 4.0 is a major let down in user experience. To me it makes the most ridiculed Microsoft operating systems of the past (Windows Vista, Windows Millennium) look good.

>You're missing the point and that's that ASUS did very little quality testing on the TFP
There is QC. You're it.
>The best option in my opinion is a 4g hotspot from clearwire, unlimited data for $45 a month
lolwut.. I don't think that's good at all...only paying me $45 to use unlimited data. $90 sounds much better.
>The 8 core batman version of wayne will be for ultrabooks/netbooks and the robin version will be for tablets & phones
Pee-wee version for $199 tablet.
>micro-SD slot
Asus should do the same as GPS...take it out! MicroSD? We don't need no stinkin' micro sd..
What's the one thing that all best-selling tablets have in common?
Ya got it! No micro-SD!
Conclusion: MicroSD slot is holding Prime back from greatness!

Allow unlock with out voiding hardware defect aspect of warranty. I can put a cold air intake on my car and if the power windows stop working I still have a warranty, just saying.
Also,
Now this is a HUGE one.
PUT ANOTHER SOC IN THE DOCK!! With Nvidias SLI technology that would be awesome! Even if it is just the GPU aspect of the tablet. With these SOCs costing about $20, have a "premium" dock priced at $200.
I would buy one in a heartbeat!
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Tapatalk

Fire their whole QC and Testing Departments and actually hire Quality QCs and Quality Test Engineers..

benefit14snake said:
Allow unlock with out voiding hardware defect aspect of warranty. I can put a cold air intake on my car and if the power windows stop working I still have a warranty, just saying.
Also,
Now this is a HUGE one.
PUT ANOTHER SOC IN THE DOCK!! With Nvidias SLI technology that would be awesome! Even if it is just the GPU aspect of the tablet. With these SOCs costing about $20, have a "premium" dock priced at $200.
I would buy one in a heartbeat!
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Tapatalk
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That's different, look at all those Smarties posting in general and q & a asking really smart questions if Asus didn't void the warranty, they would just RMA because they screwed up their own tablet. As a business that's not very smart idea.

Better? Well, jam in an extra processor or ten, a few(10) gigs of ram, up the battery and up the display to qhd(quad hd).

[Q] Ipad 3 vs Asus Transformer prime ?

Hello everyone,
I'm undecided which of the two to buy, I would like your opinion as a true and sincere as possible.
Thank you.

What would be your main uses?
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using XDA Premium HD app

Internet, read mail, read mail gmail,office,read books and pdf.

That is asus transformer prime^^
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smooth operation = ipad
random reboots/browser not responding/hair pulling going bald = asus prime
honest and sincere opinion

excelx said:
smooth operation = ipad
random reboots/browser not responding/hair pulling going bald = asus prime
honest and sincere opinion
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I have to agree (unfortunately)... As a android user from the start and with a healthy distaste for the apple company, I favor android phones, but the prime is sub par (at the moment). Both software (browsing is slow, buggy and frustrating and games often don't work) and hardware (the whole GPS fiasco, where is my dongle asus, been waiting for 36 days now).

If you want a completely locked down, non-customizable, tablet which only has 1 upside and that's the smoothness of it, then the IPad 3 would be fine.
If you want to change more than your wallpaper, and want to be able to do every day stuff on your tablet without burning your friggin fingers off (Yes, that's a reference to the burning hot IPad), while also being able to do.. pretty much everything else, then the Prime is perfect.
Oh, and the Prime also comes with a keyboard dock, looks better, has better software, the list never ends.
For these "browser problems" and whatnot, I've not had a single browser lockup in the time I've had my Prime. That's about 3 months so far. I don't use my GPS, so couldn't care less about that. And the WiFi is perfectly fine for what I need.

totti240282 said:
Internet, read mail, read mail gmail,office,read books and pdf.
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Have you thought about an asus tf300?
Will do all that you require and is a bit cheaper as well!

slef2003 said:
Have you thought about an asus tf300?
Will do all that you require and is a bit cheaper as well!
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TF300
= :
Bigger
Uglier look
Different feel
Heavier
Less Battery
The screen is nothing compared to the Prime :"$

You realize the irony in coming to a transformer prime forum and asking which we prefer? Of course were going to pick the prime.
For me, the prime is awesome. Love the keyboard, love the expandable memory, love the apps, overall i just love it.
For my sister, the ipad is best.
See its hard to tell you whats best for you if we dont know who you are... Let me put it this way.
My sister is not a geek, she is not really computer savvy (she deleted her drivers for her dvd drive by accident, who does that?)
My sister has an iPhone and love that it just works. When she sees my android and how i can install different versions of android on it and i can do all this geek stuff she invariabally says "but why would i ever need that, this works exactly how i need it to"
However
Recently she bought the TF301. She bought it because it can do things the iPad can't, mainly open websites that are heavy on flash and frames (for school), open PDF documents, and other such web stuff that the iPad just can't do.
She was surprised that there are the same apps, instagram, facebook, shazam, the works. expandable memory was a plus for her and shes really getting to like the docking keyboard with the usb port.
To me, its a hands down transformer for the win, however there are a couple counterarguments you might make
If you have a lot of apple things going on in your house they all work well together, seamlessly, with little hassle. If you open up iTunes and think "Hot damn, what a great bit of software!", apple may be for you. If you have a lot of money you want to throw down when you could get something comparably better for less, go with an iPad.
obviously, im bias. You have to make your own conclusion. Go to your bestbuy or whatever, play with an ipad, see how you like it. Find someone who has a prime or 300 on display, play with that too. If you cant decide, go with the less expensive option.
Hopefully this helped you make a decision. Good luck!
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Severion said:
TF300
= :
Bigger
Uglier look
Different feel
Heavier
Less Battery
The screen is nothing compared to the Prime :"$
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lol, prime screen is a little brighter at max brightness. I never use it at max brightness and in direct light its not exactly excellent. I personally LIKE the feel of the plastic better, edges are not quite as sharp on the fingers. it IS thicker, not much more than a netbook, not quite as sexy as the prime, however it IS built better (more rubber boarder around the screen, more forgiving if you drop it and it lands on the corner, less chance the screen will break)
Overall, personally i think i like the feeling of the 300 over the prime, just wish it was a little lighter and maybe a little thinner.
Anyways, thought i'd throw that in there as someone who has actually held both tablets side by side. take it or leave it.

Transformer prime does not have the 3g.

I had to decide between those two a few months ago, too, and I finally chose the Transformer Prime. Mainly because of the great dock and the USB and HDMI ports. I haven't regretted my decision till yet, but it depends on your own main usage of the device, which ones the best to choose

pileot said:
You realize the irony in coming to a transformer prime forum and asking which we prefer? Of course were going to pick the prime.
For me, the prime is awesome. Love the keyboard, love the expandable memory, love the apps, overall i just love it.
For my sister, the ipad is best.
See its hard to tell you whats best for you if we dont know who you are... Let me put it this way.
My sister is not a geek, she is not really computer savvy (she deleted her drivers for her dvd drive by accident, who does that?)
My sister has an iPhone and love that it just works. When she sees my android and how i can install different versions of android on it and i can do all this geek stuff she invariabally says "but why would i ever need that, this works exactly how i need it to"
However
Recently she bought the TF301. She bought it because it can do things the iPad can't, mainly open websites that are heavy on flash and frames (for school), open PDF documents, and other such web stuff that the iPad just can't do.
She was surprised that there are the same apps, instagram, facebook, shazam, the works. expandable memory was a plus for her and shes really getting to like the docking keyboard with the usb port.
To me, its a hands down transformer for the win, however there are a couple counterarguments you might make
If you have a lot of apple things going on in your house they all work well together, seamlessly, with little hassle. If you open up iTunes and think "Hot damn, what a great bit of software!", apple may be for you. If you have a lot of money you want to throw down when you could get something comparably better for less, go with an iPad.
obviously, im bias. You have to make your own conclusion. Go to your bestbuy or whatever, play with an ipad, see how you like it. Find someone who has a prime or 300 on display, play with that too. If you cant decide, go with the less expensive option.
Hopefully this helped you make a decision. Good luck!
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lol, prime screen is a little brighter at max brightness. I never use it at max brightness and in direct light its not exactly excellent. I personally LIKE the feel of the plastic better, edges are not quite as sharp on the fingers. it IS thicker, not much more than a netbook, not quite as sexy as the prime, however it IS built better (more rubber boarder around the screen, more forgiving if you drop it and it lands on the corner, less chance the screen will break)
Overall, personally i think i like the feeling of the 300 over the prime, just wish it was a little lighter and maybe a little thinner.
Anyways, thought i'd throw that in there as someone who has actually held both tablets side by side. take it or leave it.
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What browser does she use?
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If you have to ask, then it's probably better for you to get the ipad.
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totti240282 said:
Transformer prime does not have the 3g.
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Haha, I pay $10 a month for unlimited data plan on my phone. I then tether to my prime.
3g or 4g on a tablet is unnecessary and is a waste of money, IMHO.

totti240282 said:
Hello everyone,
I'm undecided which of the two to buy, I would like your opinion as a true and sincere as possible.
Thank you.
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Honestly this is the wrong forum to post your question in if you want an unbiased opinion of which device to buy. Having said that it comes down really to which operating system you prefer.
If you like iOS better, get an iPad. If you already own iOS devices and don't own any Android devices, get an iPad.
If you prefer Android, get the TF Prime. If you like things like widgets and live wallpapers, get a Prime. If you already own Android phones, get a Prime. If you don't like iTunes, get a Prime. If you think you want to use a keyboard with your tablet, get a Prime.
To my mind, the new iPad has an amazing screen. It really is nice to look at. But aside from the amazing screen it has nothing to offer that wasn't on the last two iPads. iOS is a grid of icons. Its not all that fun to use. However that is offset by the wide range of available apps.
I prefer the Prime, and I like the fact that once you buy an app you can use it across your devices without having to buy the "tablet version." However this is offset by the fact that there just aren't as many apps that take advantage of tablet sized screens. While this is improving, that improvement is happening relatively slowly especially since ICS hasn't made its way onto a meaningful number of Android devices yet.
But in the end,you'll just have to find your balls and make your own decision on which device to buy.

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What browser does she use?
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Dolphin browser seems to be the general browser of choice. There are others but based on what i've experienced dolphin has more features and is overall rated very well.

Im a die hard Android guy, moderate on an Android forum, help support an Android dev team and HTC smartphones as a hobby. I had the iPad and iPad 2 and just got a transformer prime. The prime is a really nice tablet. I like it a lot for the purpose of.flashing custom software, tweaking, kidding, overclocking etc...
But if you just want a nice tablet to work out of the box with a clean and simple OS that does a hell of a job as things it was built for, get the iPad 3.
The iPad display and resolution is of much better quality to the naked eye at least compared to my prime. For reading and typing text the iPad and iPad 2 display was much nicer.
In my opinion the app store and iOS apps designed for the iPad is better than what they play store has to offer for tablets and I like the way the app store lays out clearly which apps are optimized for the iPad on the download button with a symbol.
If you will be gaming then the Tegra 3 in the prime and certain games will smoke the ipad head to head.
If you want to talk to someone who spent a couple of years on ipads and camped out at Best Buy for iPad 2s launch and just got a prime, shoot me a PM and id be glad to cover any specific questions.
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why are people still stuck on thinking the only difference between ips and super ips+ is only screen brightness? lmfao. in a nutshell, prime has a higher quality screen and the pictures are sharper and shows more details. better color representation. n actually prime screen is ALOT BRIGHTER. 300 is only 300 or 350 lumens Max. Prime is 650+lumens Max. that's basically twice as bright. not a little brighter..lol
do the research..Google ips and super ips+ the latter is a newer technology which brings a better display overall. even seen several 300 owners even say display not as good as prime. ips is a good display. but super ips+ is a big difference in quality of picture & display.

demandarin said:
why are people still stuck on thinking the only difference between ips and super ips+ is only screen brightness? lmfao. in a nutshell, prime has a higher quality screen and the pictures are sharper and shows more details. better color representation. n actually prime screen is ALOT BRIGHTER. 300 is only 300 or 350 lumens Max. Prime is 650+lumens Max. that's basically twice as bright. not a little brighter..lol
do the research..Google ips and super ips+ the latter is a newer technology which brings a better display overall. even seen several 300 owners even say display not as good as prime. ips is a good display. but super ips+ is a big difference in quality of picture & display.
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I had both of them in my home, on my table, sitting right in front of me.
I didnt notice any difference in sharpness. Granted it may be slightly better on the prime, i didnt notice it.
I did notice the prime COULD get brighter with IPS on and at max brightness, but usually at home i have IPS off and im around half brightness so unless you run around with it cranked at max all day, your not going to notice the brightness. Reading numbers on the internet is one thing, experiencing the difference first hand is another. my experience says the IPS doesnt make a huge difference unless your going to really be using it in direct sunlight, which i wont be. YMMV.
I also liked the color tone of the 300 better, whites looked whiter, less blue, however im sure in time there will be a customization for that.
Yes, the display is a lesser quality display in several respects but from my point of view its really not all that different.

pileot said:
I also liked the color tone of the 300 better, whites looked whiter, less blue, however im sure in time there will be a customization for that.
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You're one of the very few that feels that way.
Practically every review of the TF300 states that the display isn't nearly as nice as that on the TF201 (not just brightness, but colors)
Also, having used the ISP+ feature for about two months now, it would be hard to give it up. If you never use your tablet outdoors, in sunlight, I guess it isn't necessary or useful, but if you do use your tablet out of the house, ISP+, to me, is more useful then the new iPad's screen (my son has the new iPad)
Keep in mind, the retina display requires apps be nearly double in size to take advantage of the new display, and uses more battery life.
My son and I put my wife's iPad2 side by side with his new iPad. Yeah, if you look closely, icons and text are sharper. In everyday use, I'm not so sure you'd notice the difference between the iPad2 (which, when it came out, everyone RAVED about the display) and the Retinal Display.
If you're not that computer savvy, or your house already has a lot of Apple products, get the iPad (I recommended the iPad to my elderly mother). If you might want more storage, or may want to add a keyboard dock to allow typing with a physical keyboard, consider the Prime...
Either one will probably be great for you. I don't think you'll be disappointed with either one.

Is the back suppose to make clicking sound?

Sometimes when I hold my tablet in a certain spot (usually right side) and let go... the backing makes some sort of clicking sound. The device doesn't feel flimsy to me, as other have complain... but that noise worries me.
Have others experience this clicking sound when holding their tablet?

Mine did this — it felt like the glue holding the backing in place was coming unstuck. I also found that if I pressed on the back, the pressure point showed on the screen and even engaged the touch sensor.
This along with other annoyances (screen shadow along bottom edge, a dead pixel, diagonal lines on screen and breaking of Firefox Sync by Sony Android OS) made me return it. I expect a $600 to be well-built and last at least 2 years and this glue unsticking spoke of shoddy design and a short product life.
My original Xoom cost the same and is still fully functional and unblemished. I was hoping the Xperia would be a worthy replacement, but it was a disappointment.

TellTenPeople said:
Mine did this — it felt like the glue holding the backing in place was coming unstuck.
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That's exactly how I would describe it. I've been trying to find more information about this issue, but not many people have written about it. Do you think this issue is normal for all these tablets, or I got a defective one?

SmartBugger said:
That's exactly how I would describe it. I've been trying to find more information about this issue, but not many people have written about it. Do you think this issue is normal for all these tablets, or I got a defective one?
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Mine makes the same clicking sound. And I also have the "loose headphone flap". I'll ask for an exchange.

I have the same problem with mine. It feels like the glue is not holding well. Hopefully it can be easily fixed by SONY if it start to cause problems.
One more thing. When you press the loose place it makes screen go white, which worries me a little. No problem if you using case but still something like that shouldn't happen in high end device. Maybe it is thinnest tablet but it is not the strongest
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SmartBugger said:
That's exactly how I would describe it. I've been trying to find more information about this issue, but not many people have written about it. Do you think this issue is normal for all these tablets, or I got a defective one?
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I think you got a defective one. If you have the patience to do the exchange-fix dance with Sony or whatever retailer you bought it from and like everything else about the tablet then you should.
If the just-announced Tegra 4 Toshiba Write hadn't caught my eye, I would probably had tried to exchange it to see if I could get a properly glued one, but that Toshiba is the same price, had a newer processor and is designed for my intended use-case (notetaking), so Sony's lose is Toshiba's gain at least in my case.

TellTenPeople said:
I think you got a defective one. If you have the patience to do the exchange-fix dance with Sony or whatever retailer you bought it from and like everything else about the tablet then you should.
If the just-announced Tegra 4 Toshiba Write hadn't caught my eye, I would probably had tried to exchange it to see if I could get a properly glued one, but that Toshiba is the same price, had a newer processor and is designed for my intended use-case (notetaking), so Sony's lose is Toshiba's gain at least in my case.
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I got it from newegg, and I suspect they will be good about doing an exchange. That being said, I don't want to do an exchange if this problem is very common. So perhaps I should ask... has anyone NOT experience this issue?
The main reason why I got this instead of the nexus 10, was because of its waterproof nature. I want a tablet I can go to the gym with... and not having to worry about sweat/water was a huge selling point for me.

There's really no way of knowing how widespread the issue is without a proper survey of a representative sample of Xperia Tablet Z owners. People on forums tend to go there with problems they have so forums are full of people with problems Not a great sample.
Ultimately, all that you can realistically do is keep exchanging until you get one you like, or you or Newegg lose patience.
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Mine can flex slightly (which triggers recognition on the screen), but I have no clicking sounds or similar things - mine feels very solid and feels top-notch otherwise, but I wouldn't be surprised if Sony's quality control for Japanese units was tighter.

Same thing here SGP321 FROM DUBAI, seems like the glue between the back cover and whatever inside got unstuck...

My xperia tablet Z makes the clicking sound on both the bottom left and right, around the speaker area.
To me it sounds like the paper (or plastic) that is generally found in a (earplug) speaker.
Seeing that the slim design i think it is more then likely that we are pressing on the speaker of the tablet, and not so much the glue coming apart.
If it were the glue then it would most likely be at random places across the tablet. Seeing that we are all reporting the noise in the same general area, which also happens to be the place where the internal speakers are located, i feel that it is the speaker making the clicking (crackling) noise.

Hi look on youtube and search, Opening up Sony's Android Tablet, the Xperia Tablet Z (Teardown) you can see the back cover is stuck on with double sided tape.

dazbut28 said:
Hi look on youtube and search, Opening up Sony's Android Tablet, the Xperia Tablet Z (Teardown) you can see the back cover is stuck on with double sided tape.
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Here is a link to the video you mentioned.
Opening up Sony's Android Tablet, the Xperia Tablet Z (Teardown)

Cat McGowan said:
Here is a link to the video you mentioned.
Looks easy enough to pop off the back and add some additional tape or silicone adhesive, if you're so inclined.
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I have the same issue. I decided to give it a week or so before returning it to see how much I use it and if there are any other problems. I am nit-picky and the screen colours (greys and whites mainly) are just strange. Greys are red-ish while whites and yellowy, so a screen adjuster app doesn't help at all. Also I get a shadow right around my screen, it's really distracting on things like Falcon Pro in white. The sticky back is still happening and I also found out that I don't really like Android tablets. That, or they're just not ready for me yet. The 16:10 aspect ratio has no advantage to me, just disadvantages, and apps that I want to use just aren't good enough or they're non-existent.
So I'm returning it and waiting for the iPad mini 2. Sorry, but the Nexus 7 felt like a blown up experience of my phone rather than a shrunken down experience of a tablet.

Mister, here are people who use and like Android because of the openness and customizability.
If that isn't important to you, then you are anyway wrong here, and I wish you much fun with your Apple stuff.

iisshaun said:
I have the same issue. I decided to give it a week or so before returning it to see how much I use it and if there are any other problems. I am nit-picky and the screen colours (greys and whites mainly) are just strange. Greys are red-ish while whites and yellowy, so a screen adjuster app doesn't help at all. Also I get a shadow right around my screen, it's really distracting on things like Falcon Pro in white.
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I agree with my colors being a little warm, but it's not extreme or bad (my desktop monitor is also set moderately warm). Probably unit variance. What I do have is the 'shadow' on the bottom border, but I'm not unaccustomed to backlight bleed or such. It doesn't bother me much either since usually the black Android system bar is there to begin with.
Sounds like Sony's quality control isn't very tight on international units...

salanos said:
I agree with my colors being a little warm, but it's not extreme or bad (my desktop monitor is also set moderately warm). Probably unit variance. What I do have is the 'shadow' on the bottom border, but I'm not unaccustomed to backlight bleed or such. It doesn't bother me much either since usually the black Android system bar is there to begin with.
Sounds like Sony's quality control isn't very tight on international units...
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My monitors are every so slightly yellowy, but I was able to use that with a slight colour value change. It seems mine just has odd variables on different tones... quite a bit like my old Galaxy Nexus was like (Yellow whites, green greys and purple dark greys). That's actually why I really dislike AMOLED, so it's a bummer that this IPS panel isn't as accurate as I'd like.
And yeah, really doesn't like they're super tight on the international side. I didn't really want to bother with what could have been back and forth replacements.
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Mister, here are people who use and like Android because of the openness and customizability.
If that isn't important to you, then you are anyway wrong here, and I wish you much fun with your Apple stuff.
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Well look at that, I do actually use and like Android (it's the only mobile OS I use right now). It's just the tabs that aren't up to snuff for me. Openness and customisability is only a good thing if it actually helps make something more useful for me. I find those aspects very useful on my phone. I need to be quick and efficient and I can do that on an Android, but not really on an iPhone. A tablet serves a different purpose for me. It's a leisure/convenience device, I don't need any customisation for it to allow me to do anything faster. Also, my phone has a ton of apps and absolutely all of the ones I want, this Xperia tab doesn't, and definitely not all the apps I consider essential.
Sorry that I have different needs and wants than you, but I'm pretty sure that I'm not wrong in being here because 1) I own the tablet that's in question here and 2) I use Android as my only mobile OS right now and I'll still be using it on my phone for a long time. I wasn't trying to start some petty flame war here, I was just explaining my issues with this tablet and elaborating on why I'm returning it. So let's stay on topic here, huh?

If you're looking for a leisure device, wouldn't 16:10 be more ideal for movies? But I agree on the lack of proper tablet optimized apps. What exactly do you want to do on your tablet though?
If it's web browsing, I feel Android will always deliver a superior experience (I have long tired of constantly reloading tabs on the iPad 3). If it's gaming... well, no argument, iOS usually gets more games.

salanos said:
If you're looking for a leisure device, wouldn't 16:10 be more ideal for movies? But I agree on the lack of proper tablet optimized apps. What exactly do you want to do on your tablet though?
If it's web browsing, I feel Android will always deliver a superior experience (I have long tired of constantly reloading tabs on the iPad 3). If it's gaming... well, no argument, iOS usually gets more games.
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Well I don't really watch much video away from my PC anyway, and I hardly ever watch any movies either. You've hit the nail on the head though, it's what I plan to do on it that makes the difference. I do a lot of social media stuff, reading, some browsing, games and a bit of video. Reading is far better on a 4:3 screen in portrait. I like 16:9 in portrait on my PC for reading, but trust me it's very different on a tablet. Also, I can't even get a half-decent way of using Facebook on the XTZ either. The official app is awful and Friendster which is supposed to be great is honestly rubbish.
Really it's just something to waste time on, read stuff on and be a convenient portable web browser. A 10" tablet isn't very convenient tbh and the Nexus 7 isn't either when it's so similar to my phone that's already in my pocket. An 8" 4:3 screen is a lot different from a 4.7" or 7" 16:10 screen. It's big enough to be something I want to use over my phone in some situations and small enough that it can travel most places quite easily.
It's just personal preference, it's been said a million times, but I think you already know that. Back on topic though.

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