Does anyone else have problems with web page rendering slowly on ICS? I've tried various ICS roms pre new firmware and post new firmware, with maxthon, dolphin, and opera and the webpages load much slower and in block segments on ICS. Also, clicking links can require multiple presses or having to long press and hit open. This is the main reason I cannot stay on ICS for longer then 2 days at a time. Feels like it defeats the purpose of lte. I'd love to have some feedback on this.
This is a new feature in ics, it supposed to help.pages load faster
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The only time I have any issues in the stock ICS browser, dolphin, or ICS Browser+ is when the page loads flash plus tons of other crap like http://escapistmagazine.com . And even then it's only a bit slow.
I have realized that but is anyone actually finding it to be slower and harder to get links to work like I am? Maybe I'm crazy and it just seems longer? But I really doubt it. I never get mad at my browsing speed on GB but on ICS I get frustrated quite often. I research things on my phone constantly so every little bit is noticeable. They're not intensive sights either. It is usually forums, newegg.com, and sites of that nature...
yeah ive tried every browser out there and the web page rendering and lagginess is horrid on the ics roms.
I'm on rezrom 3.3 right now and so far maxthon seems to be the smoothest. Dying for some aosp
Also, handcent not having pictures on ICS really bugs me as it is my go to messaging app. I know there is a fix for that but really annoying if you flash a lot and are a noob to adw like me
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Also, handcent not having pictures on ICS really bugs me as it is my go to messaging app. I know there is a fix for that but really annoying if you flash a lot and are a noob to adw like me
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I've never noticed any lag with ICS. Maybe you live out in the middle of nowhere and you don't get a great signal??
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I'm on rezrom 3.3 right now and so far maxthon seems to be the smoothest. Dying for some aosp
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Agreed about the aosp, soo much faster than sense. Im jealous of the razr. They already have aosp.
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Agreed about the aosp, soo much faster than sense. Im jealous of the razr. They already have aosp.
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Probably some hack job version that you need to use safestrap on for the dual boot. Plus I think it's on the GSM version only because of the LTE radio again. Could be wrong about the RAZR but I don't look @ those forums anymore. If you really want AOSP so badly what's stopping you from getting a Nexus?
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I've never noticed any lag with ICS. Maybe you live out in the middle of nowhere and you don't get a great signal??
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Haha even at work where I get 25 down and 13 up on 4g web pages still load slower on ICS from my experience. I am trying chrome. Might go to cleanrom 4.3 as well as I still love 1.7.5 with incredikernel uv'd. The battery life and (launcher pro) are amazing.
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Probably some hack job version that you need to use safestrap on for the dual boot. Plus I think it's on the GSM version only because of the LTE radio again. Could be wrong about the RAZR but I don't look @ those forums anymore. If you really want AOSP so badly what's stopping you from getting a Nexus?
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The amazing screen, camera and not toy build feel on the rezound is what made me get it over the nexus. I know aosp will come and I'm semi-patiently waiting. They have some good devs for the nexus though, I came from a dx and a lot of them went over to the nexus.
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Probably some hack job version that you need to use safestrap on for the dual boot. Plus I think it's on the GSM version only because of the LTE radio again. Could be wrong about the RAZR but I don't look @ those forums anymore. If you really want AOSP so badly what's stopping you from getting a Nexus?
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nope both the gsm and cdma have miui, cm9 and gummy aosp, i checked. i doubt it's a "hacked" version. im passing on the gnexus but i am considering the jump to the razr maxx for both aosp and the battery life.
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nope both the gsm and cdma have miui, cm9 and gummy aosp, i checked. i doubt it's a "hacked" version. im passing on the gnexus but i am considering the jump to the razr maxx for both aosp and the battery life.
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I love the feel/build of moto phones. If I wouldn't have side by sided the screen quality of the maxx and rezound I would have got the maxx. My gf just got a bionic because it was the cheapest decent 4g phone and it's faster then my rezound (but the screen is AWFUL). Think sense is the culprit and makes me like it even less.
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I love the feel/build of moto phones. If I wouldn't have side by sided the screen quality of the maxx and rezound I would have got the maxx. My gf just got a bionic because it was the cheapest decent 4g phone and it's faster then my rezound (but the screen is AWFUL). Think sense is the culprit and makes me like it even less.
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i just got off the phone with verizon corporate and they are thinking i have a shady signal where i live. they want me to test for a week and if it's bad service they may be shipping me a razr maxx so i can at least get through a work day without charging. not sure if ill do it or not yet as i really like the rezound.
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i just got off the phone with verizon corporate and they are thinking i have a shady signal where i live. they want me to test for a week and if it's bad service they may be shipping me a razr maxx so i can at least get through a work day without charging. not sure if ill do it or not yet as i really like the rezound.
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If you do go to moto your only complaints will probably be the screen and camera and maybe the locked bootloader which didnt bother me much on my dx cuz it is really only good for undervolting and right now you can only do that with GB on the rezound as far as i know.
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If you do go to moto your only complaints will probably be the screen and camera and maybe the locked bootloader which didnt bother me much on my dx cuz it is really only good for undervolting and right now you can only do that with GB on the rezound as far as i know.
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boy did we go off topic lol.
ill weigh my options but again as far as the slow ics transitions/rendering in web browsers, ive tried every browser out there and i have it, it does get annoying.
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nope both the gsm and cdma have miui, cm9 and gummy aosp, i checked. i doubt it's a "hacked" version. im passing on the gnexus but i am considering the jump to the razr maxx for both aosp and the battery life.
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I'm talking about they have to use safestrap or w/e it's called and it's pretty much a dual boot. I don't think they have unlocked the BL the last time I checked. I personally can't stand the subpar screen and resolution on the RAZR. To each their own I suppose.
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I'm talking about they have to use safestrap or w/e it's called and it's pretty much a dual boot. I don't think they have unlocked the BL the last time I checked. I personally can't stand the subpar screen and resolution on the RAZR. To each their own I suppose.
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From a user standpoint I didn't mind having the boot loader locked. I do enjoy undervtythough as I did se a small increase in battery life doing so on incredikernel. The screen was the deal killer for me, but if the Maxx would have had this screen and camera I probably would have got it instead. Still have reboot menus and can flash splash screens and custom boot animations on a locked bl through rom toolbox. Jrummy did great things for the dx
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Hello forum,
I've read about 9 hrs worth of info on here in 2 days. I am stuck between a rock and a hard place. I will try and keep this short, I might fail.
I came from an org d1 with cm7, great phone. Its old hardware and I was due for an upgrade.
I just got the HTC Thunderbolt 2 days ago. I'm not very impressed with it AT ALL. I realllllly hate the HTC SENSE gui. I've never liked HTC to begin with. But the TB had 4g (which I just found out I wont get untill 2013) and a FF Camera. I don't really care about 4G anymore, any good crap I do over WiFi anyways. As far as the FF Camera, it was fun, im over it.
I have 14 days (12) to change my mind and was told I can switch phones. I really wanted the X2 in the first place, but I went with the TB. What I really want is just a beast phone that can last 2 years with upcoming tech. Everyone I hear talking about the dual core stuff says its over rated because no OS or APPs use it yet. I've been watching some Videos on the X2 and Im liking it more.
What I wonder is if its going to have any development? The HTC TB already has tons of custom ROMs and CM7 is about there. Do you guys think the X2 will get any attention? Will there be custom ROMs? I really dont like MOTOBLUR but I would be able to put up with it for 6 months over the sense.
How is the battery? Without 4G even turned on I cant even get a full day off this TB.
Is it pretty smooth and fast? I'm a little worried about the RAM .... 512 vs 768? I mean coming from the D1 512 should be fine..... but does it feel smooth?
Are there ways right now (I know you can root) to debloat it and take off MOTOBLUR ? I really just want a clean AOSP, but I'm very willing to wait for development. I just wonder if the X2 will get any attention.
Any thoughts or suggestions are greatly appreciated. Sorry so long.
If you want custom roms then stick with the Thunderbolt. Until the Motorola bootloader gets unlocked you won't be able to fully flash a custom rom.
Also the X2 does not have MOTOBLUR on it. And yes it is possible to root using gingerbreak and remove any bloatware.
I just got my X2 yesterday and the UI seems to be a lot smoother with the dual core processor compared to my old X. If you don't get 4G coverage then I would definitely go with the X2. Also in my experience Motorola phones tend to have better battery life over HTC.
The X2 does have MOTOBLUR but it is the updated version they use normally with gingerbread which is not as bad as the version they had before.
As for development like the previous poster said, until Motorola unlocks the bootloader and an sbf is found/created. ROMs are out of the question at the moment..
Personally I came from the TB and although the TB had all the custom ROMs th X2 has made me happy with the smooth UI, after some tweaking, and the battery life is alot better.
It's going to be a trade-off. If you like to root/ mod you're going to have to wait on the X2 for a while. I read they just cracked the Droid X for CM 7, so there's hope but no idea on when we might have a full range of option for the X2.
On the other hand, the DX2 works great out of the box and my only major complaint is no Gingerbread yet. I've used both and, given the TB's battery life sucks and I'm not around a 4G area at work or home and won't be for a while, the X2 is the better option in my opinion. The TB is not a bad phone over all, but without the 4G it's not a compelling device to need right now IMO.
I'd recommend you go with the X2 and wait until 4G LTE is both widespread and all the bugs are worked out in the system.
I've tried all of Verizon's 4G phones within my 14 day return period. (I'm paying full price, so I didn't just want to settle with playing with a floor model for a few minutes to make a decision.) Anyway, it was something about each one that made me not want to keep them. (Although I saw the Charge received an update that made the phone 2-3 times better from what I'm reading from users across different forms.) But I settled with the DX2. Far better signal than any of the others I had. Much better battery life. Better build quality by far. As smooth as the Thunderbolt, even with 512 of RAM. And it has the Dual Core processors, which will eventually be beneficial once more phones get them and more developers start working around them, software and app wise. I get 4G in my area in 2 months and I still choose to go with a 3G phone, because a page loading a few seconds faster on 4G than mine does on 3G, has absolutely no importance in my life. I think ffc's are kind of overrated right now, but will be the norm in the future when almost everyone has a phone with a camera on it. We can only hope Motorola will unlock the bootloader. I doubt Verizon would approve of that, but still, the original Droid X received some pretty good attention from dev's. As you can see, it was thought of enough that someone worked hard to get CM7 on there. So the dev attention will be there.
Thanks for all your help guys..... still a tough choice...
But since the X2 has a "locked bootloader" that means there will never be custom ROMs untill MOTO themselfs release an update to unlock it or what? Did the ORG droid X have a locked bootloader? Wasnt there custom roms on it?
I had a thunderbolt but the battery life was just to bad for me to keep it when i was near stl and had 4g it went from 100% to 25 in no time flat so i couldnt handle that. the droid x2 with all the bloat ware ran decently fast but once u take off bloat ware its great phone with much better battery but if you want 4g id say go with lg revolution it seems to be better i only played with in store but i liked it also
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Thanks for all your help guys..... still a tough choice...
But since the X2 has a "locked bootloader" that means there will never be custom ROMs untill MOTO themselfs release an update to unlock it or what? Did the ORG droid X have a locked bootloader? Wasnt there custom roms on it?
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No, Yes and Yes. The bootloader on the original X is still locked. That just means that you don't have complete control over the kernel. Custom roms can certainly still be added once root is established. Also, if anybody's been watching the blogs, CM7 has been release for the original X. It's a bit of backwards magic of loading overtop and after the original kernel, but it's reported to be working great.
Indeed, I'm really keeping my fingers crossed that CM7 on the DX means we're in line for it on the X2!
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Haha, me and you are both in the same place
I'm leaning towards returning the X2 and getting the Tbolt, but the extra $135 I'll have to pay is making me unsure..since I have no income.
The good thing is, is that I read earlier today that the new Nexus phone is supposed to have a LTE radio. (Verizon maybe?!) Either that or the Galaxy S 2..both seem like good choices.
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Haha, me and you are both in the same place
I'm leaning towards returning the X2 and getting the Tbolt, but the extra $135 I'll have to pay is making me unsure..since I have no income.
The good thing is, is that I read earlier today that the new Nexus phone is supposed to have a LTE radio. (Verizon maybe?!) Either that or the Galaxy S 2..both seem like good choices.
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Have you played around with a charge at all?
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Have you played around with a charge at all?
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I would, but I can't afford $300 for a phone .. I mean after trading in my X2, I'd have to pay like $150 dollars, unless its "lowest promotional price" is less than $299.
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I would, but I can't afford $300 for a phone .. I mean after trading in my X2, I'd have to pay like $150 dollars, unless its "lowest promotional price" is less than $299.
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Besides, the Charge is still a single core phone.
OMG ! Some of you people are so picky! If I could have my X2's babies I would! I love this phone and I'm in the same situation as the OP. I won't get 4G til around until 2013 and I'll be eligible for an upgrade in January 2013. By then, I'm hoping to get whatever new multi-core, 4G, 3D display, FFC phone they have because I'm sure all of that will be more of a standard *AND* hopefully there will be better battery life for those kinds of features. Until then, gogo Droid X2!
FFC isn't all that great without 4G anyway and even if it was great on 3G, I still don't see myself using it until video calling becomes much more popular. I don't even know anyone else with an FFC for video calling, so how useful is that?? You gotta ask yourself: Who do I know with FFCs? and: Are we really gonna video chat a lot? Unless you're a hardcore SKYPEr or you are on business trips away from your wife and kids a lot, why not just stick to the casual video chatting you may or may not do on your PC?
Minus the custom ROM this is still a great phone and handsdown a top choice if you're gonna be outside the 4G bubbles for a while! Just sayin'.
You won't see any custom development until both an SBF file and the first update to the phone release. For the record, I'm quite surprised neither have leaked yet. Usually the SBF leaks in the first week or two and there is an update within the first couple weeks to fix stability issues. The X2 has so many stability issues that I think they're just going to push GB to the device rather than try to fix all the Froyo problems. That being said, it could still be a while before we see GB. I also wouldn't own this phone without being willing to root it. Too unstable without being able to fix the memory allocation problems.
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Besides, the Charge is still a single core phone.
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That's a good point. Now that I think about it, a single core phone isnt worth $300 dollars , even if it has 4G... I just rooted my X2, and now I going to try to uninstall the bloat, but it already feels faster.
lol, i have a brand spankin new dx2 i am willing to trade for a tbolt!!
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OMG ! Some of you people are so picky! If I could have my X2's babies I would!
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I'll second the comment that nearly all the VZW phones involve compromises of some sort. The compromises on the X2 are the lack of 4G, the not-quite-top-tier screen, and the fact that we might not see custom ROMs for a very long time.
That said, my phone is my lifeline, and the X2 meets my need for good build quality, good reception, a loud speaker (I'm a little hard at hearing), and that can get me into and out of my work-related apps quickly.
I feel like I got a good PHONE that's solid, loud, reliable, and pretty quick. Good enough for me for now. If I get Cryogen on it, then all the better, but it won't kill it for me.
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I had the TB and it was a POS. Bad gps, light leaks, horrible battery, terrible speaker, kickstand started peeling after a month. I'm not saying my DX2 is perfect, but it kicks the TB's ass. Love my dual core monster.
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I read, thread after thread, where people said that SenseUI was a huge slowdown for the benchmarks (Quadrant, NeoMark, etc) and that once the 3VO was rooted, it would be as fast as the Galaxy SII.
Now the root process is out and there are scripts to remove Sense. So, did the phone speed up at all or is the dual core Snapdragon just slow?
I'm past my 30 days, but I have had numerous issues with my phone. I am either going to swap it, or ask to just return it. Since the phone has this many issues, they usually will not care that I am at 33 days.
Anyway, I love HTC phones because of the hacking community, I loved my EVO4G and I like to think that the 3VO will get better with custom ROMs and kernels. But, if removing SenseUI and having root hasn't really improved performance, I may just skip this version and wait for the next EVO.
I don't care if it is as fast as the SGSII. I just want to see a good improvement.
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After I disabled almost everything htc and sense related possible. I did see a significant increase in the browser performance. That's just something I noticed.
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I understand that. Yet, that is mostly when you are comparing two different phones. When using just a single phone, they can be a great tool for measuring performance changes.
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After I disabled almost everything htc and sense related possible. I did see a significant increase in the browser performance. That's just something I noticed.
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Great to hear. Is this just with the Android browser or also with, say, Dolphin?
I can't imagine what you consider fast. In my experience Samsung's phones always fall behind HTC in user experience speed, but do well with 3d acceleration
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I read, thread after thread, where people said that SenseUI was a huge slowdown for the benchmarks (Quadrant, NeoMark, etc) and that once the 3VO was rooted, it would be as fast as the Galaxy SII.
Now the root process is out and there are scripts to remove Sense. So, did the phone speed up at all or is the dual core Snapdragon just slow?
I'm past my 30 days, but I have had numerous issues with my phone. I am either going to swap it, or ask to just return it. Since the phone has this many issues, they usually will not care that I am at 33 days.
Anyway, I love HTC phones because of the hacking community, I loved my EVO4G and I like to think that the 3VO will get better with custom ROMs and kernels. But, if removing SenseUI and having root hasn't really improved performance, I may just skip this version and wait for the next EVO.
I don't care if it is as fast as the SGSII. I just want to see a good improvement.
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You go from saying it wasnt as fast.. to saying it had a bunch of issues to saying it wasn't fast enough again.
Do you honestly think the SG2 is going to be even noticeably faster without first watching a video of the 2 phones side by side?
No. I guarantee you wouldn't. But since you see a video of the SG2 loading 100th of a second faster....than gee whiz is this thing an abacus or what!
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Great to hear. Is this just with the Android browser or also with, say, Dolphin?
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I only use the stock browser, but after freezing all the bloat, pages load faster and the bookmarks pull up a lot quicker. Just everything seems snappier.
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tell that to my exwife
Even removing a lot of sense stuff all the sense framework is still there. Sense won't fully be removed until there's a cm7/aosp build out, which will take a little while.
Not to mention someone is gonna have a LOT of work to get 3d to work with aosp source.I'm guessing a lot won't care about that(I don't), but some will. I'm gonna start messing around with some.aosp stuff this weekend.
sense or not, rooted or not. This phone is still fast. Faster than my og evo i know that. If i want to appreciate my e3d and its speed, all i need to do is grab my niece phone (my old evo which i gave to her).
You can wait for a senseless rom, but dont forget that sense gives you a lot of convenient apps within. Any rom that i flash will be a sense rom on my e3d.
Wait until there are some custom kernels available for this phone.
I've been hearing that the second core acts more like a failover than a true dual core, where if the first core is maxed, then it can take threads make a difference. I'm sure every custom kernel will make use of it in more of a multithreaded manner, and then you might see some big improvements in both benchmarks and real world use.
Also, I'm eagerly awaiting SBC. On the 4VO with netarchy's SBC kernel, I could get 36 hours out of a charge if I wanted to. On this 4VO, I'm lucky if I get 6 with the same usage pattern.
I'd say the sweet spot for 4VO development came 7 or 8 months after release. It will take some time for the 3VO to get to that level, but it will.
On a side note, now that root is out of the bag, I'd like to personally extend my middle finger in HTC's direction. Shame on you for making it this difficult and opaque. Shame on you for having two faces.
Y does it matter if ur phone is faster than another there is always gonna be a faster phone an Samsung does a great job with the software on there phones it has Hardware acceleration in browser so browser wise it won't be faster an Samsung is just better honestly hardware wise :-/ but yea 3VO is still fast period
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Y does it matter if ur phone is faster than another there is always gonna be a faster phone an Samsung does a great job with the software on there phones it has Hardware acceleration in browser so browser wise it won't be faster an Samsung is just better honestly hardware wise :-/ but yea 3VO is still fast period
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Until you need to get directions somewhere!! I'm eagerly awaiting custom kernels and roms!!!
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I can't imagine what you consider fast. In my experience Samsung's phones always fall behind HTC in user experience speed, but do well with 3d acceleration
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The SGSII is only brought into the equation because of the XDA forums. The phone is faster, yes. But, I am not going to get a Samsung phone. I only bring it up because it seems to be the "new benchmark" of phone performance.
My daughter has the Samsung Epic 4G. It has lag in some areas that my EVO4G never had. Although, it can do some serious graphics. So, I agree with you.
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You go from saying it wasnt as fast.. to saying it had a bunch of issues to saying it wasn't fast enough again.
Do you honestly think the SG2 is going to be even noticeably faster without first watching a video of the 2 phones side by side?
No. I guarantee you wouldn't. But since you see a video of the SG2 loading 100th of a second faster....than gee whiz is this thing an abacus or what!
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Ummm.. No. Reread the OP. I said that I've read that SenseUI was bogging down the phone and that I've read people saying that without it, the EVO3D will be just as fast. I then talk about my issues with the phone, and the options that I have. I then state that I care only to see an improvement in speed.
With my EVO4G, I ran CM7. I am looking at running it again and would like the best phone for CM7. I am not getting a SGSII, but I am looking at the Photon 4G.
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I only use the stock browser, but after freezing all the bloat, pages load faster and the bookmarks pull up a lot quicker. Just everything seems snappier.
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Thanks. I get a lot of lag during browsing and I mostly use Wifi. Some pages go fast, while others take forever. Although, most of my apps use the default browser, Miren and Dolphin are the two I select the most.
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Even removing a lot of sense stuff all the sense framework is still there. Sense won't fully be removed until there's a cm7/aosp build out, which will take a little while.
Not to mention someone is gonna have a LOT of work to get 3d to work with aosp source.I'm guessing a lot won't care about that(I don't), but some will. I'm gonna start messing around with some.aosp stuff this weekend.
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Awesome info! Thank you. I don't know much about SenseUI and how deeply it is integrated. I wouldn't mind poking around with some AOSP myself.
I tried getting CM7 downloaded once. I went to the page with the source code and got lost in all of the forks. There were so many different repositories, I didn't know which to look at.
If you can shoot me a PM with some of the locations your pulling, I would be more than happy to give you a hand. I work as a developer, but have been on the same code base for the last 4 years. I've been wanting to play with Android for a while. I work mostly with Java, but I also do a little C and C#.
charlie hustle said:
sense or not, rooted or not. This phone is still fast. Faster than my og evo i know that. If i want to appreciate my e3d and its speed, all i need to do is grab my niece phone (my old evo which i gave to her).
You can wait for a senseless rom, but dont forget that sense gives you a lot of convenient apps within. Any rom that i flash will be a sense rom on my e3d.
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I do like a lot of the new features, but the weather app FCs on me a lot. I have also had it maxing my CPU quite a bit. I put an app on my phone called Watchdog, and it is alerting me when it gets over 40% now, so I can kill it.
I find that the swipe sensitivity is too high for switching home screens. A quick flick and the screens start spinning. I also get graphical screw-ups on the icons and widgets. I have also had the phone hang up for 30 - 45 seconds (estimated) when leaving an application. I am guessing it has to do with SenseUI refreshing.
I loved SenseUI on my EVO4G. I am not sure I am loving it on the 3VO. I wanted to because there are so many different ways to tweak it now. Although, I did get bored of Sense after a while and liked having all the different download options after moving to CM7.
Maybe there will be an optimized SenseUI ROM that I will like.
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Wait until there are some custom kernels available for this phone.
I've been hearing that the second core acts more like a failover than a true dual core, where if the first core is maxed, then it can take threads make a difference. I'm sure every custom kernel will make use of it in more of a multithreaded manner, and then you might see some big improvements in both benchmarks and real world use.
Also, I'm eagerly awaiting SBC. On the 4VO with netarchy's SBC kernel, I could get 36 hours out of a charge if I wanted to. On this 4VO, I'm lucky if I get 6 with the same usage pattern.
I'd say the sweet spot for 4VO development came 7 or 8 months after release. It will take some time for the 3VO to get to that level, but it will.
On a side note, now that root is out of the bag, I'd like to personally extend my middle finger in HTC's direction. Shame on you for making it this difficult and opaque. Shame on you for having two faces.
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I wonder if that is why the battery life is so bad. I was only getting about 3 hours before. Now that I have Watchdog killing rogue apps. I can get about 5.
Jasonhunterx said:
Y does it matter if ur phone is faster than another there is always gonna be a faster phone an Samsung does a great job with the software on there phones it has Hardware acceleration in browser so browser wise it won't be faster an Samsung is just better honestly hardware wise :-/ but yea 3VO is still fast period
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It doesn't matter if it is faster. If you reread my OP, I never say I want it faster.
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Until you need to get directions somewhere!! I'm eagerly awaiting custom kernels and roms!!!
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Ha! All kidding aside though. You did remind me of one of the features I liked about the EVO3D. It has both aGPS and GPS.
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To everyone:
I guess those of you who are HTC fans or Samsung haters want to read more into this than it really is.
It really is simply that I am having issues with my 3VO. I can either return it and get a different phone or get another 3VO. If I get another 3VO, I'm glued to it for the next 11 months. That is, of course, unless they change Premier again.
I am just hoping that the performance improves with the root. Many of you are happy with its performance. I'm not. Maybe the other issues are causing the performance issues. Maybe they aren't. But, if I switch it out for another 3VO, I am stuck with it.
So, I thought I would ask the question in a forum of users, hackers and developers.
One thing I will have to admit, the ROM developers are running at full speed!
Anyway, a quick update. I went to the store and all they would do is reset my phone. This is after I told them I already reset it twice. So, I have to wait a few days and go back. Still having all of my issues.
I'm one of those people that ended up with an incredibly reliable Thunderbolt. It hardly ever crashes, fixed GPS, Liquid rom, extended battery/case from Trident. It's a very reliable phone, very quick.
But I do want something newer, something faster.
Now with the Thunderbolt, I could S=off -> S=on and send it back no problem.
With the Rezound, it appears it's not that simple. I've seen that rooting and unrooting leads to "TAMPERED" being tagged. Has anyone exchanged one under warranty and had any issues?
How "moddable" is this phone without risking the Tampered tag. If I want to use custom roms and over-clock the CPU, is it still possible?
Has anyone moved from a rooted, Liquid flashed reliable Thunderbolt to a Rezound that can share their experience? Thanks guys! I considered the Nexus but I don't know how Google could mess up their selection on a manufacturer that bad. The best Nexus phone so far was HTC branded and the worst Android devices of the new era have been Samsung branded. So who do we pick for the Verizon Nexus? Oh yeah let's go with Samsung, GREAT choice.
its not as close to moding as the tbolt, I also used both.
Scot makes phenomenal roms I only use his roms, but there are other amazing developers , so there is no lack of great devs for this phone.
HOWEVER :
Coming fro the tbolt with cm7 ( and all its derivatives) the sad truth is ( imho) that my tbolt was and still is faster than my rezound with 0 Lag and incredible signal with battery life.
Here is why I think thats the case: The mere sizes of the rom should tell you something , cm with gapps never really exceed 150 mb. There is not a single rom out there not ( ics or gb sensed and desensed ) that is less than 300 for the rezound
Also its all wishful thinking with the s-off , devs have made great accomplishments but there is no solid hard proof that it will be release to the masses as of yet.
S-off has amazing benifits. On the tbolt i can flash 4 different roms in one day trying to find one that i like , between sense, senseless, cm or actually towards the end miui. Nandroid restore was an absolute breeze if something went wrong ( such as the infamous gps issue ).
Not so much with the rezound, nandroid restore is really reserved for the same class of roms ( meaning if you nandroid restore a gb from ics , you have to go through a lot of hoops and read endless pages of forums. )
The thunderbolt RIL accomplishment is also worth its weight in gold, I dont really see that department being touched right now.
I tried liquid and I loved dhackers shoftao5p, his work was simply GOLD. you will NOT get the same smoothness with the rezound specially if you have another launcher on top ( Go launcher is my favorite, and its terrible on the rezound, on both ics, and gb . But it was liquid smooth on the tbolt ). You will not get all the beautiful mods liquid and cm had , although we are getting there on the mods.
The rezound is an awesome phone bec whats underneath the hood, but i think of it this way, if you have an awesome engine and but so so transmission and tires , you wont really get the full potential. I dont that full potential being really unlocked until the RIL and the s-ff are fully accomplished. The sad reality is that by the time all of this is accomplished HTC would probably have a newer phone with jelly bean on it.
I got the rezound bec like you, i wanted the next big thing, and i saw the hardware and I was so under the impression that it will crush my tbolt flat . And the fact that its the only phone beside the tbolt that does data and calls simultaneously on 3g ( Note: dont let other ppl fool you by telling you any 4g phone can do that, yes they can but only in 4g or wifi, unlike the tbolt or rezound).
Also the rezound graphics and camera are beyond imagination , but to me speed , battery life and signal are the most imp factors and even though they have comparable signals, my super tweaked tbolt had jaw dropping battery life and speed . It handled whatever launcher whatever game or video like a beast, and it stayed at a cool 29 degrees on the hottest summer day
if your into super tweaking your device and making every little inch of your phone work for you the way you want it , then stick with the thunderbolt for the moment and keep a watchful eyes.
and the s-off topic and cm are very sensitive, but hey, whats another forum on which ppl will cuss me out on calling it for what it is
Until we get S-Off (which appears it may be coming soon), you have to unlock the phone to root it and it's not possible to return it to a Locked stated (it will say Re-Locked)
The Tampered tag came with the leaked firmware updates, after installing those and flashing a custom recovery, you'll get Tampered.
You can unlock it and run the latest ICS roms using a patch vs flashing the latest firmware.
There have been plenty of people who claim they returned a Re-Locked phone back without issue. We do have one user though who got charged for his phone a few months later, they have not been able to get a solid answer out of Verizon as to why the charge.
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Not so much with the rezound, nandroid restore is really reserved for the same class of roms ( meaning if you nandroid restore a gb from ics , you have to go through a lot of hoops and read endless pages of forums. )
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This can be summed up with two issues.
1) Nandroid can't restore kernels because we don't have S-Off. You need to flash it manually or use the Nandroid Helper script to restore a kernel. If and when we get S-Off this will be a non issue.
2) The latest firmware changes the SD card mount points. If you have the latest firmware installed and want to switch to a rom not based on the latest leak, you need to flash a script to fix the SD mount points. With most of the latest ICS roms now supporting the older firmware, I would hold off installing it til we have an official update.
it's a nice phone but the battery life blows worse than the tbolt.
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it's a nice phone but the battery life blows worse than the tbolt.
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The contrary is true for me. I get waaaaaaaay better battery life on my rezound. The thunderbolt is great. But the rezound is better. They guy above that said the rezound isn't as smooth doesn't know what he's talking about. The rezound is lightyears ahead smoother. It could just be golauncher that he has problems with for one simple reason, the thunderbolt has a 480x800 screen, the rezound has a 1280x720 display, that launcher is obviously not optimized to work on that rez so it pits a heavier load on the rezound trying to get it to function properly. I've been using Apex launcher and it has been buttery smooth.
All the rezound needs is aosp, s-off would be nice but it isn't really nessisary.
Don't worry about the whole tampered relocked thing, several of my family memebers have returned their rezound with the relocked on and we have yet to hear from Verizon about it.
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The contrary is true for me. I get waaaaaaaay better battery life on my rezound. The thunderbolt is great. But the rezound is better. They guy above that said the rezound isn't as smooth doesn't know what he's talking about. The rezound is lightyears ahead smoother. It could just be golauncher that he has problems with for one simple reason, the thunderbolt has a 480x800 screen, the rezound has a 1280x720 display, that launcher is obviously not optimized to work on that rez so it pits a heavier load on the rezound trying to get it to function properly. I've been using Apex launcher and it has been buttery smooth.
All the rezound needs is aosp, s-off would be nice but it isn't really nessisary.
Don't worry about the whole tampered relocked thing, several of my family memebers have returned their rezound with the relocked on and we have yet to hear from Verizon about it.
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For me the battery life is worse. But once we get some decent custom kernels that may change.
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For me the battery life is worse. But once we get some decent custom kernels that may change.
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I have amazing battery life on my Rez. Clocked @ 1.76ghz heavy/moderate usage w/ the extended battery 24 hours and 33% left to go.
I get nothing but stellar battery life on my Rezound. And I was skeptical about picking up an LTE device at first, but my mind has been changed after having the phone for a month. I'm loving it.
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I have amazing battery life on my Rez. Clocked @ 1.76ghz heavy/moderate usage w/ the extended battery 24 hours and 33% left to go.
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ive never gone anything more than 12-14hrs. my phone must be defective then.
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ive never gone anything more than 12-14hrs. my phone must be defective then.
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Extended battery or standard?
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ive never gone anything more than 12-14hrs. my phone must be defective then.
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If this is on the standard battery, it's right on par with what it should be. Comparing the Rezound to the measly resolution of the tbolt is apples to oranges.
Battery life is not bad on the rez given the great 4G signal and the powerful CPU/GPU. Then again it really depends on how soon we get S-Off for the rez to be on par with the TBolt in terms of customization.
i have tried almost all the roms out there, sense, no sense etc and the rezound is SO laggy. especially on ICS. the last thing i tried yesterday, was the stock LEaked ICS, and i debloated it myself, and it is so slow. i had to do a battery pull 4 times on the way home last night while using instagram. honestly, im using my INC2 now, and it is so much less laggy and faster on both, ICS and GB
the specs are so nice, but man, its terrible. the ONLY thing i have not tried are custom GB roms. i SO love the look and feel of this phone, and the battery life is good. but man, i cant take the laggyness. i sooooo want to solve this
thoughts?
maybe you have a lemon?
Not sure what lag you're seeing. Mine is pretty good. Every now and then some lag will creep up but overall its lagfree and snappy.
Most roms I've tried even gb roms are somewhat laggy except rezrom gb. Nils business ics is also good for me. Ics lag is mainly due to kernel as there is no source yet. Is the stock Rom laggy for you as well? I've noticed this phone doesn't respond too well to underclocking like my EVO did
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Mine flies so maybe it is your phone... Or more than likely user error
It's not what you want to hear but that's all.I got
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Most roms I've tried even gb roms are somewhat laggy except rezrom gb. Nils business ics is also good for me. Ics lag is mainly due to kernel as there is no source yet. Is the stock Rom laggy for you as well? I've noticed this phone doesn't respond too well to underclocking like my EVO did
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the stock ICS leaked ROm, the latest one is not to bad, but is it laggy, and froze alot. no messing with the OS at all eiter. got really hot too for the first time
duel core?
Also, coming from a 512mb phone that was also dual core this phone flies
its just the battery life that's ****
yeah that sounds like you just got a bad phone. I'm running new ICS leak, Rooted, desensed myself and whatnot, also put it into tablet mode and it flies like crazy! No overheating or bad battery life. Ya got yourself a lemon.
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yeah that sounds like you just got a bad phone. I'm running new ICS leak, Rooted, desensed myself and whatnot, also put it into tablet mode and it flies like crazy! No overheating or bad battery life. Ya got yourself a lemon.
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since im S-off, can i still exchange?
dvigue said:
i had to do a battery pull 4 times on the way home last night while using instagram.
thoughts?
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Stop using Instagram? I thought I had read somewhere that Instagram and ICS don't always play nice yet (at least on our ROMs)
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Stop using Instagram? I thought I had read somewhere that Instagram and ICS don't always play nice yet (at least on our ROMs)
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hummmm...maybe..ill research it
How does one define lag anyways? What I might think is fast and quick maybe to slow for you. But as the others have said you may have a lemon. Look in the general thread for on how to s on. You will have to run the latest Gb ruu then do the s on command. I do not know it of the top of my head right now.. but make sure you are on a signed stock hboot before you s on
there's got to be something wrong with your phone. i'm still on stock & performance wise it's comperable to the galaxy nexus. oh and battery life sucks on all 4g phones.
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How does one define lag anyways? What I might think is fast and quick maybe to slow for you. But as the others have said you may have a lemon.
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Very true....i define lag as, when i press the home button, it takes a sec or two to get to home, all other phones i have owned goes right to home. opening apps, kinda slow compared to other phones as well. typing, VERY laggy unless i shut off vibration and the pop ups...
try factory reset it help sometimes after debloating
is ur rezound getting hot ?
its lags everytime ?
what the score u get from linpack ?
did u use setcpu ? or same app ?
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hummmm...maybe..ill research it
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I've used it with a few Sense 3.6 roms without issue. I'm voting on you have a bad phone also.
dvigue said:
Very true....i define lag as, when i press the home button, it takes a sec or two to get to home, all other phones i have owned goes right to home. opening apps, kinda slow compared to other phones as well. typing, VERY laggy unless i shut off vibration and the pop ups...
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Mine does not do that at all.
I do a fair bit of texting all day & using Smart Keyboard Pro with vibration/popups on I get absolutely no lag whatever.
My phone will run weeks at a time without rebooting or freezing & I don't remember it ever FCing in any situation.
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I've used it with a few Sense 3.6 roms without issue. I'm voting on you have a bad phone also.
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Ahh hrm maybe it's just the Sense 4.0 ROM's that Instagram may or may not work on....haven't run a 3.6 ROM in a long time
I have a similar problem to the original post. It has been taking about 2-3 seconds to enter settings, bookmarks within browser, etc. I have boiled it down to maybe a hardware issue. My phone ran great on GB though, so idk.I am rooted with s-off on the ICS leak with the fixed kernel. It usually runs good after first installing a rom, but then lag along. And this is with no apps downloaded.
I have another unrooted, non s-off Rezound with GB and it flies. I think I am going to switch to that. Hopefully when we get official ICS I can compare the two devices.
Long story short, I have the same problem but I am finding most people don't have this lag issue. Don't know what is causing it. Maybe I screwed up my hardware during s-off.
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since im S-off, can i still exchange?
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I have no clue, good question though. Worth looking into for others. Although I think there is a way to get back to S-ON in a thread in the Development section? My phone was Stock S-Off so I lucked out with that, so I'm sure I can, I'm sure you would be able too as well.
When the TB first came out it felt very snappy, very smooth and fairly quick. Rooted it and after some time it just seems to have no hope and I dont know why. I have flashed almost every Rom out there and it seems to work fine for a little bit and then within a week it is back to its VERY laggy performance. When the S3 came out, I got that and my wife wanted my TB. She is getting tired of me playing around with the phone and trying to get a performance fix and just wants a new phone. Should I try to unroot it and run it stock for her? Otherwise she may look at the moto razr M or the inc 4g. (not a phone I would have, but its not up to me)
The phone slowing down may be certain apps impacting performance, so you may want to look into that. Also if you haven't already I would ditch sense based roms and give AOSP a try.
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When the TB first came out it felt very snappy, very smooth and fairly quick. Rooted it and after some time it just seems to have no hope and I dont know why. I have flashed almost every Rom out there and it seems to work fine for a little bit and then within a week it is back to its VERY laggy performance. When the S3 came out, I got that and my wife wanted my TB. She is getting tired of me playing around with the phone and trying to get a performance fix and just wants a new phone. Should I try to unroot it and run it stock for her? Otherwise she may look at the moto razr M or the inc 4g. (not a phone I would have, but its not up to me)
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The aosp ICS is snappy but a few things don't work. I haven't tried there sense version but heard good things.
The Gnex is a free upgrade btw
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In my opinion, sense based roms are slower & have more lag than than others. It is pretty much up to you, or your wife, to let you know what she wants. I was really looking forward to trying out the newest AOSP 4.0.4 ICS by twistedumbrella. Have you tried this yet? I haven't been able to get past the "bootloop" but it seems that some are & some aren't. I believe you'd love the rom if it works on your TB.
Keep in mind all aosp liquid/twisted builds the video recording does not work. Knowing most women camera and camcorder is a must lol.
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Keep in mind all aosp liquid/twisted builds the video recording does not work. Knowing most women camera and camcorder is a must lol.
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This is some good advice for the OP. I recall running a deodexed 2.7 or something a while back that would probably work well for the OP. It is sense based but it was very stable and everything works.
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Otherwise she may look at the moto razr M or the inc 4g. (not a phone I would have, but its not up to me)
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If she's looking for something that is smoother with less lag then stock definitely won't bring her that. If you're able, I'd look into getting a newer phone. The Thunderbolt is at its end of life.
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