Seeing as I'm a big music fan, a major bullet point on the SIII vs the E4GLTE is sound quality. I know the SIII has the wolfson DAC which is supposed to be pretty damn killer (if it makes it to the Sprint version), but what about the Evo? I know they have that pos beats audio global EQ, but how's the DAC itself? And is there anything special for it like supercurio's voodoo sound?
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And I'm pairing em to Ultrasone DJ1 Pro headphones, so I will hear the difference.
I'm also pretty curous about this.
So far all I've gathered is that the international One X didn't have great sound quality but the One S had great sound quality. Slightly better than the iPhone4s according to a GSMarena review.
(gsmarena.com/htc_one_x-review-747p5.php)
So I was curious how the US variants would work.
I've read random forum posts that claim the DAC is built into the SoC of the phones. The AT&T One X and the EVO 4G LTE are using the S4 snapdragon which is what the One S was tested with.
So hopefully the sound quality on these phones will rival that of the One S and not the international One X.
But all of this is based on speculation of other posters...
I'd imagine a sound review of the AT&T One X would be a solid comparison to how the EVO 4G LTE will sound but I have yet to find a detailed review of such performance.
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So far all I've gathered is that the international One X didn't have great sound quality but the One S had great sound quality. Slightly better than the iPhone4s according to a GSMarena review.
(gsmarena.com/htc_one_x-review-747p5.php)
So I was curious how the US variants would work.
I've read random forum posts that claim the DAC is built into the SoC of the phones. The AT&T One X and the EVO 4G LTE are using the S4 snapdragon which is what the One S was tested with.
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.011 THD on the One S can't touch the 4S's .0068, but it's still impressive and probably negligible. If the DAC's are built into the SoC, then the Sprint SIII will probably share the same DAC, since this claims the SIII will have the S4 because of the Exynos doesn't have native LTE support. So maybe slightly different implementations between the two?
The difference between the two for me is slowly coming down to screen, and internal memory. Cause if the DAC awesome, I'll probably grab the 64GB SIII then cram in a 64GB SDXC so I can load in straight FLAC's.
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.011 THD on the One S can't touch the 4S's .0068, but it's still impressive and probably negligible. If the DAC's are built into the SoC, then the Sprint SIII will probably share the same DAC, since //theandroidsoul.com/sprint-galaxy-s3-specification-mined-out-before-official-announcement-its-the-return-of-the-qualcomm-s4-processor/"]this claims the SII will have the S4[/URL] because of the Exynos doesn't have native LTE support. So maybe slightly different implementations between the two?
The difference between the two for me is slowly coming down to screen, and internal memory. Cause if the DAC awesome, I'll probably grab the 64GB SIII then cram in a 64GB SDXC so I can load in straight FLAC's.
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That's what I read from one random forum thread while I was researching this, but I have yet to find any true confirmation so take that information with a grain of salt.
But yeah, Sprint's SGS3 would most likely have the same SoC and presumably the same DAC for that reason.
From a thread on here, you should be able to use a 64GB SDXC with the EVO too. The only difference would be the 48GB internal difference, but I assume you might end up paying anywhere from $100-175 more for those variants.
From what I've read, screens comes down to personal preference. The SGS3 is pentile, but for real world use, word is that would be largely irrelevant.
Do you prefer AMOLED or SLCD2? Depends on the person.
The biggest factor for me is that this phone can be in my hands in 13 days, and the SGS3 hasn't even been announced for any US retailer. Hard to compare it to a phone that is potentially months away.
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forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25852281&postcount=45
Back to square 1..
As it stands, Samsung said June for the LTE variant.
For the screen though, it doesn't really matter to me, though I read AMOLED uses far less power than SLCD except with full white screens.
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As it stands, Samsung said June for the LTE variant.
For the screen though, it doesn't really matter to me, though I read AMOLED uses far less power than SLCD except with full white screens.
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Indeed
Battery life should be better if watching movies for the S3, if browsing the web for the EVO.
Also:
forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25852281&postcount=45
Back to square 1.
But as you said, it has been confirmed the SGS3 will have great a great DAC so that's a start..
It would be nice if the thing has decent ear piece loudness without having to use a hacked kernel to boost it.
My question is with the audio jack. When I plugged in my EVO to the car, I could hear a high pitched squeel in the background.
An iPod did not do the same thing. It was crystal clear, which leads me to believe it was a generic audio jack.
Anyone have any news regarding this?
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My question is with the audio jack. When I plugged in my EVO to the car, I could hear a high pitched squeel in the background.
An iPod did not do the same thing. It was crystal clear, which leads me to believe it was a generic audio jack.
Anyone have any news regarding this?
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See, now I always thought it was my new amp that was causing it. Wish I could check and see if it was just the OG Evo, but my head unit is fried.
mcwups1 said:
My question is with the audio jack. When I plugged in my EVO to the car, I could hear a high pitched squeel in the background.
An iPod did not do the same thing. It was crystal clear, which leads me to believe it was a generic audio jack.
Anyone have any news regarding this?
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Generally a squeal in the background, is feedback from the alternator. (Not always) But if you can accel/rev the engine, the frequency should change - proving it is indeed from the alt. You can add an in-line filter for such noise, the iPod may filter that on its own - I have no idea, dont use one.
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Generally a squeal in the background, is feedback from the alternator. (Not always) But if you can accel/rev the engine, the frequency should change - proving it is indeed from the alt. You can add an in-line filter for such noise, the iPod may filter that on its own - I have no idea, dont use one.
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Interesting information for sure.
How about Bluetooth a2dp audio quality? Sense 3.x is pretty bad, does the evolte/sense 4 fix the low bit pool/rate?
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Interesting information for sure.
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Ground feedback loops are a common issue for aftermarket stereos, but damn well shouldn't happen with a stock radio. Could be the Evo, might not.
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Ground feedback loops are a common issue for aftermarket stereos, but damn well shouldn't happen with a stock radio. Could be the Evo, might not.
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Doesn't hurt to have clean grounds. I used to have terrible feedback on am stations, I cut all my grounds, used a sanding disk on a angle grinder to clean up the metal, tossed on new ends and never had a problem since.
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How about Bluetooth a2dp audio quality? Sense 3.x is pretty bad, does the evolte/sense 4 fix the low bit pool/rate?
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BT should be fine, as far as I'm aware this has BT 4.0 and Apt-X codec support like the One X/S. Bluetooth 4.0 gives you higher audio bandwidth over bluetooth and Apt-X gives you lossless BT audio up to ~370kbps for stereo sound according to the developers at CSR. In blind A/B testing with my international One X via a wired connection and the Samsung HS3000 they sound the same to me for 320kbps mp3, and slightly worse for FLAC encoded files which were unlistenable on earlier BT versions).
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Hi every one,
i'm going to upgrade to a new phone soon!
First i wanted to go with the Samsung GS2 but a far as i red, it has a Yamaha DAC! Now, is the Audio QUALITY (i don't care about the volume that much! on my OLD Nokia N95-3 i never listened on a higher vol. level than 50% at home, with my cans) comparable to... sayin' an iPod touch 2nd gen? (wich is, besides my N95 and netbook, the only device i have to capare lol) or a Netbook onboard Soundcard? (Realtek HD Audio...) or should i rather get the ATRIX? (wich has a wolfson DAC, i think) but the bad thing on the Atrix is that is doesn't have as much memory (11,5 gigs vs. nothing) wich means i can't put my whole library on the phone...
EDIT: what i basicly wanna ask is: is the Audio Quality of the Yamaha DAC really THAT BAD?
thanks!
has rly no1 any idea?
Sg2. Sound quality is decent for a phone, nd the sg2 rapes the atrix in every other way.
Peace
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You should head to GSMARENA for a comprehensive review on the audio quality of the SGS II:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9100_galaxy_s_ii-review-597p8.php
It's at the bottom of the page.
kohiiou said:
You should head to GSMARENA for a comprehensive review on the audio quality of the SGS II:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9100_galaxy_s_ii-review-597p8.php
It's at the bottom of the page.
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"Things aren't as impressive when you plug-in a pair of headphones. Stereo crosstalk, which increases rapidly, volume levels decrease and intermodulation distortion starts creeping in. The general result is still decent, but we've certainly seen better here." ...hmmm
I too say the GS2, although the tegra 2 processor is good the exynos prosessor easily out performs it, noticably. As for the laptop dock, a big fail.
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... rapes ....
Peace
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Peace and rape in the same sentence!
It's decent. I'd assume that only an audiophile would be able to tell the difference.
But the SGS2 is a far better choice imo compared to the Atrix. Especially when you consider that the Atrix is more expensive than the SGS2, has a smaller screen, no SMOLED+, slower cpu/gpu, smaller customer base, less development, etc.
If you've been paying attention to the dev thread on the atrix, you know that there's about to be some VERY big things happening
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If you've been paying attention to the dev thread on the atrix, you know that there's about to be some VERY big things happening
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I'm sure there is, but it's pretty clear that it is essentially an inferior device.
but the bad thing on the Atrix is that is doesn't have as much memory (11,5 gigs vs. nothing)
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Why is that? Atrix is 16GB device, with 1GB of RAM, exactly the same as SGS2
I have Atrix 4G for a month, my father liked it a lot and want to get one. Now i am thinking about giving my atrix to him and getting SGS2 for myself. I like SGS2, but i want say that "it is essentially an inferior device" is incorrect, Atrix certainly have some problems, but so SGS2 as well. HDMI port on Atrix it's a very nice thing, and it works on any HDMI TV or monitor in 2 modes (media center or webtop) without any additional hardware, via included HDMI cable. SGS2 screen is better indeed in size and quality, but atrix have better resolution, 800*480 on such a big and hi-quality screen as SGS2's one it's an epic fail IMO. Anyways, what i am saying is that grass isn't always greener on the other side, Atrix and SGS2 are perfectly comparable devices of the same generation/price range (Atrix is cheaper now), just compare all the +/- of both devices to decide which one better fits your needs.
Doesnt the Atrix share half it's RAM with the WEB OS for the docks though?? If so, that's not so good.
Also, with a pentile display, the Atrix higher resolution still looks aweful as it's pixellated. This is what put me off it.
Aside from being slower, im sure the Atrix is a nice device
Edit: Sorry, meant to say, for audio, I use poweramp and as far as i'm concerned, the audio is quite good. Then again, ive
never rated ipod/iphone audio quality so my opinion is probably biased lol.
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Doesnt the Atrix share half it's RAM with the WEB OS for the docks though?? If so, that's not so good.
Also, with a pentile display, the Atrix higher resolution still looks aweful as it's pixellated. This is what put me off it.
Aside from being slower, im sure the Atrix is a nice device
Edit: Sorry, meant to say, for audio, I use poweramp and as far as i'm concerned, the audio is quite good. Then again, ive
never rated ipod/iphone audio quality so my opinion is probably biased lol.
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I am not sure what it shares with Webtop, but the amount of available RAM is around 800 MB, which is roughly the same as SGS2.
About display, first of all I do agree that SGS2's one is better, but all the stories about awful pentile display are way exaggerated. Atrix have a very good hi-res display, I've compared it to LG G2X's one head to head, you may notice pentile only when trying to read extremely small content, for example while fitting to screen big webpage without any zoom. On normal usage scenarios it looks perfectly on par with non-pentile displays.
I had high hopes for the Prime in the sound (external speakers) department.
Recent reviews revealed that the Asus Prime has speakers only at one side. No stereo sound experience when you hold the tablet in-front of you. Very disappointing in my opinion.
What do others think?
You might want to look at these redundant threads:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1369216
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1372397
nope, no one. First time I heard of that.
For me it's disappointing in terms of checking off specs. In real world use I'll probably be using head phones 95% of the time so it's not a big deal.
I'm going to reserve judgement until I get my unit. Haven't really heard anything bad about it with most reviews complaining more about the placement of the speaker.
This reviewer had good things to say about it.
"There is one speaker on the back of the unit along the right edge. While other tablets offer a two-speaker stereo approach, I found the Prime's overall sound quality to be surprisingly good; music sounded full and was free from the tinny effect that frequently plagues tablet speakers. At full volume, songs were almost too loud for a single-room environment. This was a welcome change from other tablets, where the volume can never seem to get high enough."
http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti..._Rolls_Royce_of_Android_tablets?taxonomyId=15
What is up with all this hate threads? No one has a damn tab in their hand so everyone needs to chill. I request a mod to delete all these stupid random threads about what the tab does and doesn't have. I'm just as excited as everyone else but we don't need 100 open discussions bout it when its not even out yet. Excited topics bout our expectations but on my god every one is bagging on a device not being sold yet.
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I have read a lot on this in other forums. My thoughts are:
1) I haven't actually heard it myself so it is difficult for me to be too concerned.
2) I would normally use a headset anyway to get the full audio experience even if it had two true stereo speakers.
3) I haven't watched a review where they have bashed the audio, only mentioned that it seems to be somewhat directional and your hand can muffle it a bit which would make sense. A few have mentioned that even thought it is one speaker the sound produced is pretty good.
In summary the speaker quality was WAY down on my feature list so I am not concerned at all as long as my headphones sound sweet.
Just my $0.02. Your mileage and needs for audio could be entirely different than mine.
Yes. I really wanted to piss off all my fellow passengers on public transportation systems by playing the Butthole Surfers at full blast -- the more speakers the better -- and now Asus won't let me.
Oh, woe is poor, poor pitiful me!
No, the original...
I went and played with a prime at gamestop today. The audio was really loud and clear. and like some reviewers said if you put you hand over the speaker it seems to sound better which is good because your hand will be on top of it a lot. The other thing I liked was when I had the sound all the way up you could feel the bass in the tablet it's self which was pretty cool when playing games.
Sure, im also disappointed that my nexus s doesn't have 7.1 surround sound
Yes.. bass thumping piezo.. I can already feel the rumbling thunder...
e.mote said:
Yes.. bass thumping piezo.. I can already feel the rumbling thunder...
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I seriously FLOL'd on that.
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I am extremely disappointed that the Prime doesn't come with a Vagina. I though it was perfect, but since it doesn't have that one spec I wanted, I guess i'm gonna have to go with my girlfriend who's still running 1.0.
How does this device compare to the Atrix?
I have the Atrix with Poweramp & Flac files & it's pretty damn good. Just wondered if anyone has comapred the two devices & which is the better?
Cheers
127 Veiws & not one answer.
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127 Veiws & not one answer.
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Have not used Atrix.. but this sounds better than any other smartphone I have owned previously......which includes Nokia, SE, Apple, HTC.....
Using it with Audiotechnica IEs..
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Have not used Atrix.. but this sounds better than any other smartphone I have owned previously......which includes Nokia, SE, Apple, HTC.....
Using it with Audiotechnica IEs..
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Many thanks for the reply.
The sound with a set of Bose in ear head phones is phenominal.
It's not exactly at Galaxy S with Voodoo Sound levels, but it's definitely above average. Just make sure you've turned the sound enhancements off.
I use Ultimate Ears SuperFi 5 IEMs on the go, and the good old Grado SR60i's at home.
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Much better than my old sgs2. Tested with both Sennheiser HD555 (high impedance large supra aural) and Ultimate Ears SuperFi 5 (low impedance small iem).
It drive the senn without problem. With sgs2 i need my small fiio amp to obtain good result.
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Have some Rocketfish BT headphones and use PowerAmp. The sound quality is great.
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I have never heard an ATRIX, but I found that RAZR's sound is pretty good (Ultimate Ears TripleFi 10). As said above, it is nothing like Galaxy S's Wolfson with voodoo sound, but it is AWESOME in comparison to Galaxy SII ****ty Yamaha DAC.
I sold my Galaxy SII specifically due to it's ****ty DAC, build quality and useless GPS. Razr is pretty slow and has a ridiculous screen panel (mine come with 1 dead pixel), but at least it's build quality is a thousand times better than any Samsung's phone. Oh, point to RAZR's GPS, it is insanely fast and powerful.
Well, I hope we get soon a nice ROM that sends all motorola **** to hell and unlocks the RAZR's true power.
Good luck with your RAZR.
"Razr is pretty slow..."
Compared to what? Seems pretty fast to me.
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"Razr is pretty slow..."
Compared to what? Seems pretty fast to me.
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Compared to the Galaxy S II, yes, it is noticeably slower.
Although I didn't find the S II's GPS useless, the RAZR is better in that regard, and I'd say it's the GLONASS support that does it.
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I didn't even noticed that razr has glonass... And I must say: this russian thing rocks. GSII gps may not be useless, but it is still worse than a lot of other cellphones.
In terms of speed, razr's boot is the thing that is really annoying and makes me sad when I remember GSII extremely fast boot. At least, when everything is loaded up there's no pain in razr usability.
I think that razr's slowness is a bit due to moto**** bloatware, but specially due to worse access speed between RAM and OMAP, when in comparison to GSII RAM and Exynos. I would suggest slower flash memory, but it seems that razr's flash can be even faster in some cases. I haven't any conclusive data to this hypothesis, but based on what I know, seems to be razr's slowness reason.
Well, razr is pretty new in market yet, so there is still hope for us in getting a better software, giving us a faster phone.
Think you've hit the proverbial nail there. Moto make lovely hardware, but the software on the RAZR is rather...odd.
Although if what I've heard is true, the RAZR was rushed to get product on shelves for Christmas, and was intended to ship with ICS - both the hurried gingerbread port from the Bionic/Droid 3 flavour of Blur and the decision to release a 'GSM variant' when both the XT910 & XT912 (appear to) have exactly the same hardware with locked down radios were apparently last minute changes. Or so rumour would have it.
On the Samsung front, the Note has GLONASS support and benefits enormously from it, so that should be the end of their positioning woes going forward.
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@home said:
How does this device compare to the Atrix?
I have the Atrix with Poweramp & Flac files & it's pretty damn good. Just wondered if anyone has comapred the two devices & which is the better?
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What type of sound question is this? Are you wanting to know how it sounds playing music files with the built in speaker? Voice sound quality?
Never used an Atrix but the Razr sounds great. No complaints here
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What type of sound question is this? Are you wanting to know how it sounds playing music files with the built in speaker? Voice sound quality?
Never used an Atrix but the Razr sounds great. No complaints here
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I am wanting to know how it sounds through a pair of quality earphones with a good music player, preferably play Flac's.
The Atrix is very good but I wanted a larger screen. The razr ticks most boxes but I didn't want to take step backwards in the quality of music reproduction.
Can you shed some light?
just want to share with what I noticed today.was at a local shopping center, saw a stall selling mobile accessories, they have a casing for razr, which they claim improves sound from the tear speaker.I tried it on, honestly utter improves sound quality.
What it does is that it has some tunnels running around on the inside of the casing, enabling the sound waves to propagate to appropriate exit points, resulting in surrounds like sound.. It actually works.. But the price tag its ridiculously high.. So I did not buy it.. anyone else saw this housing? Some weird China brand.. Can't seem to find or on internet.
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@home said:
How does this device compare to the Atrix?
I have the Atrix with Poweramp & Flac files & it's pretty damn good. Just wondered if anyone has comapred the two devices & which is the better?
Cheers
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I have Razr, Atrix and Defy and I find they all have very close and decent sound(through jack), unless you use dollar store head phones, you might well be plugging into your butt. Speaker phone and ear piece, another story.
When I first listened to the razr with my Grado SR80i headphones, I was rather disapointed. After that, I found out the phone had some ****ty equalizer turned on for headphones. Once I turned that off, it sounded fine.
drolgnir said:
I have Razr, Atrix and Defy and I find they all have very close and decent sound(through jack), unless you use dollar store head phones, you might well be plugging into your butt. Speaker phone and ear piece, another story.
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Cool, but which one has the edge, Atrix or Razr? Which do you prefer to use to listen to on a more regular basis?
Ta
Okay, i cant give the edge to either. Both are about the same volume maxed out and neither has more lows or highs than the other. I just blast my ears for 10 mins doing various hot swaps, and prolonged listening, to one intense orchestral song with some serious tones. This was a side by side, with same headphones, and eq options off using stock motoplayer with both set to volume one notch from full. I am not a bat or dog, but perhaps they could hear the diff.
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http://www.whathifi.com/review/lg-g2
http://www.whathifi.com/news/lg-confirms-details-of-hi-res-audio-playback-on-g2-phone
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_g2-review-982p8.php
My experience is similar to the whatthehifi review. Not quite as exciting as G3, but still very good. Looking forward to see what the developers do with it. I think it has huge potential.
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http://www.whathifi.com/review/lg-g2
http://www.whathifi.com/news/lg-confirms-details-of-hi-res-audio-playback-on-g2-phone
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_g2-review-982p8.php
My experience is similar to the whatthehifi review. Not quite as exciting as G3, but still very good. Looking forward to see what the developers do with it. I think it has huge potential.
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I had quite the opposite of whathifi. I felt the g2 sounded warmer than the s3 (possibly why they think its laid back). Had better bass texture/response and did have a bit more clarity up top. Overall they were both very similar but the g2 felt a bit more in your face vs the s3 (which is not very laid back).
These differences were very small. I believe the international version has a wolfson dac. If that was what they were comparing then its possible what they are saying is true.
Thing is they don't list what that used to test the equipment with.
if you want to tailor the sound , try using viper4android. It really makes a huge difference in sound quality. you can also use correction filters for your specific headphones. You wont be disappointed.:good:
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if you want to tailor the sound , try using viper4android. It really makes a huge difference in sound quality. you can also use correction filters for your specific headphones. You wont be disappointed.:good:
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Which one do you pick during setup? I remember A8 on my S4 but not sure about the G2
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Which one do you pick during setup? I remember A8 on my S4 but not sure about the G2
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CortexA8 with NEON...it really takes advantage of this dac. I'm listening to some U2 flac right now, it's phenomenal:highfive:.
bilbobrian said:
CortexA8 with NEON...it really takes advantage of this dac. I'm listening to some U2 flac right now, it's phenomenal:highfive:.
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nm got it
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What settings do you have it on?
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I had quite the opposite of whathifi. I felt the g2 sounded warmer than the s3 (possibly why they think its laid back). Had better bass texture/response and did have a bit more clarity up top. Overall they were both very similar but the g2 felt a bit more in your face vs the s3 (which is not very laid back).
These differences were very small. I believe the international version has a wolfson dac. If that was what they were comparing then its possible what they are saying is true.
Thing is they don't list what that used to test the equipment with.
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I think the reviewer was talking about iPhone. There are definitely some aspects I like better than GS3, the warmth, etc. The main thing I noticed missing was transparency in treble. I have been listening with RE0s lately and cymbals etc are just extraordinary with my (Wolfson) S3. Good with G2 but not magical. But I need to sit down with the two of them side by side and listen.
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I think the reviewer was talking about iPhone. There are definitely some aspects I like better than GS3, the warmth, etc. The main thing I noticed missing was transparency in treble. I have been listening with RE0s lately and cymbals etc are just extraordinary with my (Wolfson) S3. Good with G2 but not magical. But I need to sit down with the two of them side by side and listen.
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That would make more sense. I was trying to a/b my s3, g2 and my home headphone setup. I know its easy to get confused when a/b'n with no time off for your ears to adjust but the g2 was sounding nearly as layered and textured as my canamp and micro dac. Had me worried but i know that was just from going back and forth.
I have yet to really listen to my g2. They did sound nice with my 701s, though. Made snare hits sound more natural. I"ll have to spin them with my GR07s.
I have had only other other Android phone to compare with the G2, plus our Sansa Clip+. I use the Neutron Music Player app which has its own audio driver, runs on Neon, 64 bit, parametric equalizer et al. With good/VG quality headphones (Grado SR 60), the G2 sounds fine to me. The headphone volume output is similar to the other Android phone I had previously. We GR owners can also stream out the music through the USB OTG to a DAC, car sound system with USB input, AV receiver with USB input.
While I agree the clarity is beyond any other android phone I've owned I find the sound to feel rather compressed. I have the verizon version so I'm not sure if there are any differences there but so far I'm disappointed after reading great reviews.
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After extensive head2head comparison with my S3 w/Wolfson, I returned mine today. The audio is simply not as good. It is louder than stock GS3, but not better. Tis a shame, for it is a remarkable device otherwise. And I miss it already.
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After extensive head2head comparison with my S3 w/Wolfson, I returned mine today. The audio is simply not as good. It is louder than stock GS3, but not better. Tis a shame, for it is a remarkable device otherwise. And I miss it already.
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Is this after the viper mod or stock g2? My note after dac tuning sounds amazing and not willing to get this or the note 3 since they both have similar dacs, if thats the case. Let me know
Huge audiophile here. I listened briefly with my Koss Pro3aa headphones and was pretty happy with the sound. A huge upgrade vs my t989 for sure. I'll do more extensive testing later on.
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Usually I carry a FiiO amp (I have three different models). I use them with my Note 3 and have various headphones ( Audio Technica ATH M50, V-Moda M100 and V-Moda XS, Beats Solo 2). On full amplification via the FiiO and depending on genre, I like the V-Moda XS and FiiO E18 the best. I would rate it a 9 for clarity and depth on portable device (I'm not huge into Ibiza levels of bass). So i walk into the T-Mobile store and hook up the V-Moda XS right to the phone and set the amplification to the highest setting. I would rate it a solid 8.5 (again for portable application). Although to a newbie not typically used to listening on good headphones they would probably rate it a 20.
Basically as is, the V10 makes carrying a headphone AMP a bit unnecessary now. By the way, I paid $160 for that FiiO E18 headphone amp a year ago but the going rate was over $200. The big selling point was that it was made for Android and you could switch to different tracks using the side mounted buttons on the FiiO instead of having to take the phone out, unlock the screen and move to a different track. For whatever reasons, all headphone cords don't work with all music apps on Android.
All that being said, is the V10 the best in class phone for not just camera functionality but audio playback?
I know the new HTC and Samsung Note 5 have a few advantages of their own. I'm curious to see if anyone thinks these are better on audio than the V10 based on experience.
I gave the Note 5 a quick listen, and V10 beats it IMHO. Had a fiio e18 too, good little amp.
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The V10 will hands-down have the best audio performance of any phone to date. However, the question has been raised as to whether or not the ESS DAC/amp are active 24/7. It seems some apps use the standard Snapdragon DAC instead (typically streaming apps). Local content works fine as far as I can tell, and I may have found a workaround to force the ESS DAC on a session-by-session basis, but it might be something that can also be forced via software modifications produced by developers later on.
Well that's good to hear since I won't be going back to Samsung since they ditched SD card and removable battery.
One thing I thought of, the V-Moda XS is known for having a compact folding design that has "military" grade impact resistance and all around durable build quality. Which are similar selling points for the V10. Right out of the box, this is a great sound pairing. Some say the Beats Solo2 is on par with V-Moda XS on sound, but given the plastic build quality it's not really the same value for the money.
Yes, some apps aren't working. Tidal is gtg fortunately. Sounds pretty damn good too.
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Nitemare3219 said:
The V10 will hands-down have the best audio performance of any phone to date. However, the question has been raised as to whether or not the ESS DAC/amp are active 24/7. It seems some apps use the standard Snapdragon DAC instead (typically streaming apps). Local content works fine as far as I can tell, and I may have found a workaround to force the ESS DAC on a session-by-session basis, but it might be something that can also be forced via software modifications produced by developers later on.
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I was wondering about that too. Let me touch on my experience a bit.
A couple of things for reference: I briefly tested the DAC with my Sennheiser Momentum, and then with my HD 650 without any intermediary signal processing. Also, I believe that the 32 bit is an overkill, so signal-wise I don't consider this better than a 16-bit DAC for practical purposes. Still, I like having it just because it's there. My comparison is between the V10 and a Nexus 4, as well as a FiiO E07K + Little Dot Mark III at times.
So, the Momentum: of course the Momentum run well and loud, since they are easily run. DAC-wise, I do notice some added clarity and soundstage with Hi Fi on using FLACS and 320 kbps files (nothing major, but it's there, as expected). All good.
Now, for the HD 650: the V10 with Hi Fi on will do an automatic impedance/power match, which is really nice for volume control normalization. In the end, the V10 makes the FiiO e07k useless, because the HD 650 sound fine, loud, and equally clear on the phone. Now here is the thing: we know that Spotify is not affected by the Hi Fi toggle, yet the sound is equally loud and clear on the HD 650 than with Hi Fi on using local files. When I turn Hi Fi off, the amp can't power the headphones nearly as well (or at all), impedance match ends, and the volume and clarity go down.
In short, Spotify with Hi Fi off = Local files with Hi Fi on, even though it's supposedly not affected by it.
What that means to me is that they could be doing a Beats maneuver, and lowering audio quality on Hi Fi off on local files to really give people the feel that turning it on affects music. On the other hand, it could mean that Spotify (or other 3rd party, streaming apps) simply bypass the toggle and just run on the amp/dac's full power regardless. Proof of the latter would be that my Nexus 4 (and some other phones I've tested) simply cannot drive the HD 650 at the level that the V10 does on Spotify. I mean, I can barely reach a mediocre volume on the Nexus 4 maxed out.
Keep in mind that this is my initial impression, and I haven't done an in-depth sound test yet. That said, I'm very happy with the V10 regardless, since it can effortlessly power my HD 650 without having to carry an external amp/dac combo.
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What that means to me is that they could be doing a Beats maneuver, and lowering audio quality on Hi Fi off on local files to really give people the feel that turning it on affects music. On the other hand, it could mean that Spotify (or other 3rd party, streaming apps) simply bypass the toggle and just run on the amp/dac's full power regardless. Proof of the latter would be that my Nexus 4 (and some other phones I've tested) simply cannot drive the HD 650 at the level that the V10 does on Spotify. I mean, I can barely reach a mediocre volume on the Nexus 4 maxed out.
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I don't think they lower quality for hi-fi off. It simply uses a completely different DAC. It defaults to the Qualcomm Snapdragon DAC... which is low quality.
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I don't think they lower quality for hi-fi off. It simply uses a completely different DAC. It defaults to the Qualcomm Snapdragon DAC... which is low quality.
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That's what it's supposed to be like, so I'm inclined to believe it. My question is whether Spotify is really using the ESS, even if it was not supposed to. More of a curiosity than anything.
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That's what it's supposed to be like, so I'm inclined to believe it. My question is whether Spotify is really using the ESS, even if it was not supposed to. More of a curiosity than anything.
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Inclined to believe what?
Someone reported getting 3rd party apps like spotify to use the ESS dac with toggling tricks so it's definitely possible that it was using the ESS dac.
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Inclined to believe what?
Someone reported getting 3rd party apps like spotify to use the ESS dac with toggling tricks so it's definitely possible that it was using the ESS dac.
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Of course it's possible, but I have yet to find a 100% sure response. Not that it's a big deal anyways, since the audio is fine regardless.
By the way, can you send a link to the report? I want to test it.
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Of course it's possible, but I have yet to find a 100% sure response. Not that it's a big deal anyways, since the audio is fine regardless.
By the way, can you send a link to the report? I want to test it.
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http://www.head-fi.org/t/782706/lg-...gship-android-phone-from-lg/465#post_12047691
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http://www.head-fi.org/t/782706/lg-...gship-android-phone-from-lg/465#post_12047691
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Thanks. That guy is saying something similar to what I said. Difference is, I didn't even have to overlap local file playing to trigger the amp/dac with Spotify. It just goes and it can't be turned off in any way, which is fine with me. But without any more information of course I was going to have initial doubts about it.
Can the v10 replace a standalone music player?
Kakuz said:
I was wondering about that too. Let me touch on my experience a bit.
A couple of things for reference: I briefly tested the DAC with my Sennheiser Momentum, and then with my HD 650 without any intermediary signal processing. Also, I believe that the 32 bit is an overkill, so signal-wise I don't consider this better than a 16-bit DAC for practical purposes. Still, I like having it just because it's there. My comparison is between the V10 and a Nexus 4, as well as a FiiO E07K + Little Dot Mark III at times.
So, the Momentum: of course the Momentum run well and loud, since they are easily run. DAC-wise, I do notice some added clarity and soundstage with Hi Fi on using FLACS and 320 kbps files (nothing major, but it's there, as expected). All good.
Now, for the HD 650: the V10 with Hi Fi on will do an automatic impedance/power match, which is really nice for volume control normalization. In the end, the V10 makes the FiiO e07k useless, because the HD 650 sound fine, loud, and equally clear on the phone. Now here is the thing: we know that Spotify is not affected by the Hi Fi toggle, yet the sound is equally loud and clear on the HD 650 than with Hi Fi on using local files. When I turn Hi Fi off, the amp can't power the headphones nearly as well (or at all), impedance match ends, and the volume and clarity go down.
In short, Spotify with Hi Fi off = Local files with Hi Fi on, even though it's supposedly not affected by it.
What that means to me is that they could be doing a Beats maneuver, and lowering audio quality on Hi Fi off on local files to really give people the feel that turning it on affects music. On the other hand, it could mean that Spotify (or other 3rd party, streaming apps) simply bypass the toggle and just run on the amp/dac's full power regardless. Proof of the latter would be that my Nexus 4 (and some other phones I've tested) simply cannot drive the HD 650 at the level that the V10 does on Spotify. I mean, I can barely reach a mediocre volume on the Nexus 4 maxed out.
Keep in mind that this is my initial impression, and I haven't done an in-depth sound test yet. That said, I'm very happy with the V10 regardless, since it can effortlessly power my HD 650 without having to carry an external amp/dac combo.
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Do you think the v10 can match something like a Fiio X3? I normally have to carry my phone and the Fiio X3. It'd be great to be able to carry just one device and not have to sacrifice decent sound quality.
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Do you think the v10 can match something like a Fiio X3? I normally have to carry my phone and the Fiio X3. It'd be great to be able to carry just one device and not have to sacrifice decent sound quality.
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I found this in another forum:
"I have had about 2 days to seriously listen to the V10 with a variety of different headphones and I've continued to be blown away. It puts the iPhone 6/6s to shame and even embarrasses (what I thought to be excellent) Samsung GS6E+/Note 5. I'm typing this in my bed listening to London Grammar's "Flickers" with my LCD-3 and V10. I'm amazed that a) a phone could power these cans as well as the V10 does and b) that there is such excellent instrument separation, transparency, soundstage, and quickness from a smartphone DAC/amp combo. I'd choose this over a FiiO X1/X3/(even) an X5. Until you get into the Questyle/AK territory, this thing is just as competent as any DAP. With TIDAL!"
And with that, I'm in
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I found this in another forum:
"I have had about 2 days to seriously listen to the V10 with a variety of different headphones and I've continued to be blown away. It puts the iPhone 6/6s to shame and even embarrasses (what I thought to be excellent) Samsung GS6E+/Note 5. I'm typing this in my bed listening to London Grammar's "Flickers" with my LCD-3 and V10. I'm amazed that a) a phone could power these cans as well as the V10 does and b) that there is such excellent instrument separation, transparency, soundstage, and quickness from a smartphone DAC/amp combo. I'd choose this over a FiiO X1/X3/(even) an X5. Until you get into the Questyle/AK territory, this thing is just as competent as any DAP. With TIDAL!"
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I'll see if I can get one tomorrow and test for myself.
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Do you think the v10 can match something like a Fiio X3? I normally have to carry my phone and the Fiio X3. It'd be great to be able to carry just one device and not have to sacrifice decent sound quality.
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I have a Fiio e07K that I used to use on the go. The V10 does just as well, or maybe even better, than the Fiio. Assuming the X3 is comparable to the e07k (haven't tested it), I would just stick to the V10 and reduce bulk.
I think I'll sell the e07K now.
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I have a Fiio e07K that I used to use on the go. The V10 do just as well, or maybe even better, than the Fiio. Assuming the X3 is comparable to the e07k (haven't tested it), I would just stick to the V10 and reduce bulk.
I think I'll sell the e07K now.
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I think I'll sell my x3 as well.
Maybe it's possible that the V10 uses the ESS amplifier not matter what DAC is used. I've never noticed a difference between DACs for the most part... my PC sound card (Xonar Essence STX), Schiit Uber stack, and V10 all sound the same. Note5 honestly sounded about the same too. Maybe I just have insensitive ears or can't pick out the differences yet, but my AKG K812's are clearly the best sounding audio equipment I've ever heard, and I try to be critical in details of just about anything I hear sound through (apart from the source components). 320kbps .mp3's suit me just fine too.
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Maybe it's possible that the V10 uses the ESS amplifier not matter what DAC is used. I've never noticed a difference between DACs for the most part... my PC sound card (Xonar Essence STX), Schiit Uber stack, and V10 all sound the same. Note5 honestly sounded about the same too. Maybe I just have insensitive ears or can't pick out the differences yet, but my AKG K812's are clearly the best sounding audio equipment I've ever heard, and I try to be critical in details of just about anything I hear sound through (apart from the source components). 320kbps .mp3's suit me just fine too.
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mp3 normally sounds a bit more noisy and a lot of the details i look for are normally not present. then again, my hearing is pretty good. so I do notice the diffrence between mp3 at 320kbps and flac. At most times I don't listen to my music at high volumes either and then the missing stuff becomes more apparent.
I can tell the difference using Koss Portapro with 192kbps ogg.
The sound is more transparent than G4.