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Why the g2x had SO MUCH better benchmark scores now before anyone says I'm *****ing know that I'm not I'm just asking why 2 phones with the same processors have such diff scores the photon NEVER goes over 60 fps in quadrant but the g2x gets like 100+ and out had 1080p video recording like wtf was motorola thinking sprints best motorola phone is average now a data now I'm just asking why cause that's really annoying but honestly this is just a question not *****ing again
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because moto blur takes up more processing power ALSO the the photon has a 1ghz dual core and teh e4gt has a 1.2 ghz dual core. same ram i believe... but honestly until internet speeds are crazy increaded and battery life is maximized idc they all run around the same speed imo.
I think the G2X uses a different cpu/gpu.
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I think the G2X uses a different cpu/gpu.
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No the g2x uses the tegra 2 same thing
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I think it's software Optimization.
Its almost the same spec,and maybe our photon dont use its full power to conserve battery? Like shut down one core or something?
another viewpoint its the drivers.
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Motorola has qHD resolution, so the gpu has to push 25% more pixels.
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Isn't g2x stock vanilla android? That makes a world of difference
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I thought it used hummingbird processor
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No the g2x uses the tegra 2 same thing
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The MoPho runs circles around the POS!
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Gh0zt718 said:
Why the g2x had SO MUCH better benchmark scores now before anyone says I'm *****ing know that I'm not I'm just asking why 2 phones with the same processors have such diff scores the photon NEVER goes over 60 fps in quadrant but the g2x gets like 100+ and out had 1080p video recording like wtf was motorola thinking sprints best motorola phone is average now a data now I'm just asking why cause that's really annoying but honestly this is just a question not *****ing again
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One of the things that throws of the result is the nonstandard resolution of the Photon. This odd screen size requires scaling be used to run most benchmarks full screen. On an unscaled Smartbench run the scores are much higher than scaled and are fairly close to the GSII NVidia.
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No the g2x uses the tegra 2 same thing
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There are three different CPU's used in the GSII (NVidia, Samsung, Qualcomm). The benchmarks vary with the Qualcomm being the bottom of the list.
Here is a link to a script that makes your phone smoother and less laggy. It works for all phones and is easy to install. Everything you need is here in this link. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991276
Please tell others what settings worked best for you.
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This script was not written for high end devices such as this one... Or anything with a dual core CPU... You might see a difference using a single core but this script was written for Ram management on lower end devices and devices with little ram... Using on a 1.5Ghz dualcore phone with 1GB of ram might imo be a waste of time...
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This script was not written for high end devices such as this one... Or anything with a dual core CPU... You might see a difference using a single core but this script was written for Ram management on lower end devices and devices with little ram... Using on a 1.5Ghz dualcore phone with 1GB of ram might imo be a waste of time...
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Thanks for letting me know
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I used to use this on my G2x, my quadrants and all benchmarks JUMPED with it, and worked REALLY well for it. But with the Amaze (I've already used it etc etc) I don't see any difference, the amaze's amount of ram is probably a big contributor to that fact but also probably the version of Android also, as my G2x was running 2.3.3....
hiazn said:
I used to use this on my G2x, my quadrants and all benchmarks JUMPED with it, and worked REALLY well for it. But with the Amaze (I've already used it etc etc) I don't see any difference, the amaze's amount of ram is probably a big contributor to that fact but also probably the version of Android also, as my G2x was running 2.3.3....
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It's the ram and the cpu the g2x is a 1Ghz dualcore we have 1.5Ghz dualcore the g2x only has a couple hundred MBs or ram amaze is 1GB... And that's why u see no improvement...
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It's the ram and the cpu the g2x is a 1Ghz dualcore we have 1.5Ghz dualcore the g2x only has a couple hundred MBs or ram amaze is 1GB... And that's why u see no improvement...
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I thought that's what I said.. hehehe probably not so much the CPU though as the script only modifies ram management.
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This script was not written for high end devices such as this one... Or anything with a dual core CPU... You might see a difference using a single core but this script was written for Ram management on lower end devices and devices with little ram... Using on a 1.5Ghz dualcore phone with 1GB of ram might imo be a waste of time...
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Ya... explain that to dual core Atrix users...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1257574&highlight=supercharger&page=221
Comments such as "it's pretty mind blowing" probably warrants investigation despite recommendations from people who have never tried it.
Oh... and the lower end device cannot choose this option:
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9. 1000HP Super UnLedded{6,12,200,225,250,300}
Since it's designed for high end devices too, I prevent low end devices from going too over the top
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Ya... explain that to dual core Atrix users...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1257574&highlight=supercharger&page=221
Comments such as "it's pretty mind blowing" probably warrants investigation despite recommendations from people who have never tried it.
Oh... and the lower end device cannot choose this option:
Code:
9. 1000HP Super UnLedded{6,12,200,225,250,300}
Since it's designed for high end devices too, I prevent low end devices from going too over the top
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Whoa newer version then I have currently, thanks Zep. Hah I don't have that option.. haven't checked for a long while I guess. I'm gonna go try it, yay.
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Cool feel free to post your findings
zeppelinrox said:
Ya... explain that to dual core Atrix users...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1257574&highlight=supercharger&page=221
Comments such as "it's pretty mind blowing" probably warrants investigation despite recommendations from people who have never tried it.
Oh... and the lower end device cannot choose this option:
Code:
9. 1000HP Super UnLedded{6,12,200,225,250,300}
Since it's designed for high end devices too, I prevent low end devices from going too over the top
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Ay smart guy they don't have a full gig of ram... You will not see any difference in performance on this device and thats why the EVo 3D didn't waste their time on it...
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Doesn't matter.
"Gurus" always say the same thing... last time it was that it won't do anything on a device with 512MB of ram...
How much ram does a SGS II have, smart guy?
Actually, seems the specs are close to this device... so here you go...
Android Spin article... author is using the SGS II
http://androidspin.com/2011/11/02/v6-supercharger-the-android-memory-fixer/
Bookmark it so you can read it whenever your phone lags
It's nice to see that people still don't get the concept of "work smarter, not harder" because it makes it easier for those that do work smarter to get ahead.
My settings don't "stick" after a reboot, and the help file is blank, 0 bytes.
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Did you run the latest update 9 RC3.2?
If not, use that.
Pretty sure that problem doesn't happen anymore with the newest versions.
no, I was using version 8, but I'll give the new one a try. thanks for the reply
Ok cool... there are alot more options so if you're unsure about what an option does, just select it and it will give an explanation before it does anything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxSwFv6GaU8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Nova3 is tearing, mc3 the same, gta3 with high details too.
What is wrong with this phone? I have stock ICS, did a wipe. Sd card class 10 sandisk mobile ultra. On gingerbread it was the same, even on roms with 1,8ghz OC.
On htc Sensation this game is fluid, so wtf?
Any help? Ppl say that on their evo there is no lag or tearing.
Oops, I never try any high quality 3D game on my androidphone. I only play the games like temple run doodle god etc. I dont care about game performance on cellphone because the size of screen is only 4.3......If I really want to play game, I will enjoy it with my xbox360 and 46``HDTV
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Alexsandra said:
Oops, I never try any high quality 3D game on my androidphone. I only play the games like temple run doodle god etc. I dont care about game performance on cellphone because the size of screen is only 4.3......If I really want to play game, I will enjoy it with my xbox360 and 46``HDTV
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Or with Xbox 360 with an 55' 3d smart tv
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i had GTA 3 on GB,ICS Sense 3.6 and ICS Sense 4.0.it was zero lag.like on a game console.
The thing that pissed me off is that ppl say there is no problem with MC3 and nova3. On my phone there are problems. So may it be that my phone has worse sillicon and drops framerate etc.
On console you dont have gyroscope, and i dont like console games. I like android ones.
Try chain fire 3D
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Do you use go locker?
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With the latest ICS the phone can barely manage 2000 quadrant, so top end games are always going to lag. Even temple run stops and starts and lags sometimes for me, not to mention the crappy crackling sound.
..forcing dual core and setting the governor to performance helps a bit, but it's still not up to par where an S3 should be.
But I know it's possible since on my GSM version when putting some of the old GB mui based roms on I could get 4000+ quadrants with a bit of overclocking and games ran noticeably better.
My guess is because the screen is 3D capable it's not as efficient as other phones even when running in 2D, so HTC throttled the crap out the cpu/gpu/mem-bandwidth to equalise the battery drain.
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Try chain fire 3D
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Good idea, but now I don't even have a root access. I'm tired of those things sometimes.
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Do you use go locker?
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nope.
meangreenie said:
With the latest ICS the phone can barely manage 2000 quadrant, so top end games are always going to lag. Even temple run stops and starts and lags sometimes for me, not to mention the crappy crackling sound.
..forcing dual core and setting the governor to performance helps a bit, but it's still not up to par where an S3 should be.
But I know it's possible since on my GSM version when putting some of the old GB mui based roms on I could get 4000+ quadrants with a bit of overclocking and games ran noticeably better.
My guess is because the screen is 3D capable it's not as efficient as other phones even when running in 2D, so HTC throttled the crap out the cpu/gpu/mem-bandwidth to equalise the battery drain.
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Some ppl complain at ICS performance in games. Benchmarks dont tell **** cause every phone has lower scores at ICS I think. Look at galaxy nexus.
With this screen thing its interesting, but for me either my phone is faulty, or there are some drivers issues. I have 5+5 mpix gsm version, so that maybe its worse or sth.
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With the latest ICS the phone can barely manage 2000 quadrant, so top end games are always going to lag. Even temple run stops and starts and lags sometimes for me, not to mention the crappy crackling sound.
..forcing dual core and setting the governor to performance helps a bit, but it's still not up to par where an S3 should be.
But I know it's possible since on my GSM version when putting some of the old GB mui based roms on I could get 4000+ quadrants with a bit of overclocking and games ran better.
My guess is because the screen is 3D capable it's not as efficient as other phones even when running in 2D, so HTC throttled the crap out the cpu/gpu/mem-bandwidth to equalise the battery drain.
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Forcing dual core?how? Do you mean our dual core processers only work under one core?
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by default the way its supposed to work is, the first core is always on, running to run apps and system. The second core is supposed to kick in on demand. When what you are running demands more, the second core is supposed to kick in.
This worked well on GB roms because thats the way they wrote the code. It was designed that way.
On ICS roms, there are ways to turn on both cores. There is a patch. There are some apps. The best one I've found is system tuner pro. You can set it to turn on both cores on completed boot and they will always be on.
This kicks up the performance of the phone significantly. However, there goes your precious battery life.
The EVO 3D has a pretty powerful dual core processor. Without it, the 3D would be totally useless.
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Thanks for your explanation. But I am still confused about one thing. Do you mean the cellphone running ICS rom tuns on both of two cores when it completes boot? And no matter what I run, it always keep dual core running? If it was, the cellphone would spend more energy than GB rom.and generates more heat.....
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That all depends on what rom you are using. Some developers have init.d edited to where both cores are always on. Or they've applied the patch to do so. By default, ICS is supposed to do the same as GB where the first core is on and the second is supposed to kick in on demand. I just feel that GB did a better job at managing it this way.
Chad Goodman always recommended turning on both cores and leaving them on in ICS as you will always get the best performance possible. Personally I like the option to turn em on if I want to with system tuner pro or leave only the first core on to save on battery life.
Chad had a very good explanation of this - how it works - even how to edit the file yourself. I just did a search for it and it appears to be gone.
Here is some more info on this -- more technical:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1635676
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Iam now using official IC'S rom, GSM version. I don't know how HTC tweaks dual core......I think should test my cellphone first and see how many score I can get.
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But these games should work nice on stock. See the htc sensation which has the same hardware. Many ppl say it runs games much better than evo. Games that I play the most often are mc3, nova3, gta3. They should work nice on evo, as they run ok on single core phones.
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/11/15/benchmarks-lg-nexus-4-vs-htc-droid-dna/
Anyone else surprised? I thought the difference would be minimal, but the Nexus would be a bit faster due to the smaller resolution and being stock android.
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http://www.droid-life.com/2012/11/15/benchmarks-lg-nexus-4-vs-htc-droid-dna/
Anyone else surprised? I thought the difference would be minimal, but the Nexus would be a bit faster due to the smaller resolution and being stock android.
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Wow I thought the n4 would have gotten better. Seems like a smoother device but wow. Good job HTC!
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Nexus 4 has some crazy thermal throttling oddity I thought I read...could be why.
Maybe the DNA's ram is faster? Otherwise, it should be the same exact hardware going in, performance wise (and rom, but I didn't think the rom speed would affect a benchmark).
EDIT: Or it's probably the throttling if that's true...
is there enough differences in 4.1 and 4.2 to where the benchmarks dont take that into account?
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is there enough differences in 4.1 and 4.2 to where the benchmarks dont take that into account?
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I'd say thats doubtful, the OS was not overhauled by any means. It was basically a security patch with a few framework modifications.
htc is really workin hard to make a comeback
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I'd say thats doubtful, the OS was not overhauled by any means. It was basically a security patch with a few framework modifications.
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i thought as much, but i just wanted to play devil's advocate
Does the nexus 4 have 2gb of ram? Because that could explain the difference in scores. I've always been an HTC guy, but honestly, quadrants don't and never will matter. The only way to see how a device really performs is to use it yourself.
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I think the HTD DNA has beefed up graphics to handle that large screen, I'll bet that is a part of the difference ...
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I think the HTD DNA has beefed up graphics to handle that large screen, I'll bet that is a part of the difference ...
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The adreno GPU is a beast without a doubt
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ssojyeti2 said:
Does the nexus 4 have 2gb of ram? Because that could explain the difference in scores. I've always been an HTC guy, but honestly, quadrants don't and never will matter. The only way to see how a device really performs is to use it yourself.
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Yep 2gb of ram for the Nexus
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I think the HTD DNA has beefed up graphics to handle that large screen, I'll bet that is a part of the difference ...
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Nope, they both have the adreno 320. It is a new beefed up gpu though - twice as fast as the adreno 225 in the GS3 and other dual core s4 processor phones.
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Does the nexus 4 have 2gb of ram? Because that could explain the difference in scores. I've always been an HTC guy, but honestly, quadrants don't and never will matter. The only way to see how a device really performs is to use it yourself.
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They both have 2GB but might not be the same speed - and speed matters more at this point.
Nexus 4 has always benchmarked lower for some reason, it is essentially the same hardware that's inside the optimus G, since the only difference is the O.S may be it is taxing the system a lot more than 4.1, it might not look like much but there is significant difference when it comes to framework on the 4.2, may be it is taxing the system more in the background then 4.1
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They both have 2GB but might not be the same speed - and speed matters more at this point.
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ok
The reason the Nexus 4 scores lower is because it features thermal throttling which reduced the CPU speed when it reaches a certain temperature to maintain battery efficiency. Stick it in a freezer and the benchmark numbers increase. http://androidandme.com/2012/11/sma...hmark-showdown/comment-page-1/#comment-418705
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The reason the Nexus 4 scores lower is because it features thermal throttling which reduced the CPU speed when it reaches a certain temperature to maintain battery efficiency. Stick it in a freezer and the benchmark numbers increase. http://androidandme.com/2012/11/sma...hmark-showdown/comment-page-1/#comment-418705
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Yep. This is the reason. It has been stated on Anandtech. It makes perfect sense. It's all related to both phones using different kernels.
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The reason the Nexus 4 scores lower is because it features thermal throttling which reduced the CPU speed when it reaches a certain temperature to maintain battery efficiency. Stick it in a freezer and the benchmark numbers increase. http://androidandme.com/2012/11/sma...hmark-showdown/comment-page-1/#comment-418705
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Is it a feature, or a problem? It's possible the processor is more easily overheating in the Nexus 4 from it's position or something. From the sound of things, the DNA will get as good as or better battery life with 4G off.
It's also possible the software is cutting it off way too early. I once had an Asus gaming laptop that needed a bios update because it throttled the gpu down after it got half the temperature that gpu could take.
HTC always has crazy high benchmarks. It obviously means nothing in day to day performance. My one x scored more than twice as high as my galaxy nexus but the nexus usability wise was smoother.
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In AnTuTu this phone scores almost half of what the Nexus 7 scores in GPU test, though it beats it in everything else.
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In AnTuTu this phone scores almost half of what the Nexus 7 scores in GPU test, though it beats it in everything else.
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Not reliable info. Phones can be modded to do well on benchmarks. Wait till we get our goodies and see what happens
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drwario said:
Not reliable info. Phones can be modded to do well on benchmarks. Wait till we get our goodies and see what happens
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Generally the mods affect the IO scores, I'm speaking about only the GPU scores.
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The optimus 4x hd is the closest and most comparable to the optimus since it has essentially the same software and is the closest tegra 3 device to the OG.
Per antutus website, the OG beats the 4x HD in total score and GPU. It loses barely to the N7, but that is likely due to butter and software improvements. Assuming both are on the same software, the OG should perform better.
I believe anandtech said Adreno 320 is the best ARM GPU this year minus the iPad's PowerVR GPUs. It is the top android GPU.
Either way, both are great GPUs, but the S4 Pro has a better CPU.
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Interesting?
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I'll find that interesting once we can disable the throttling on this thing, cause right now it's not scoring very well throttling so often.
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