Today i was reading an article on tech radar about the top 20 smart phones today, the Xperia S made the list but the Acro S didn't and not just that; i am a religious follower of most major tech blogs and sites and i seldom come across anything talking about the Acro S,
this forum also serve as an example, how many threads do you see about the Acro S compared to the S? How many roms, custom kernels, etc?
The only thing i can think of is bad marketing as they both have almost identical hardware except that the Acro is rugged, waterproof and does not suffer from the fail capacitive button or the lack of sd card support which makes it a 100 times better phone, this is a clear example of Sony bad marketing, i mean the better device isn't even popular amongst those loyal to the brand let alone other none Sony users.
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that top is not that good ...LG 4x on 6th place???????? wtf ...seriously..
and yeah acro s isn't a " normal " phone like sony...it has splash etc things..maybe that's why they didin't included in their rank.
I stopped reading hi-tech news and blogs a long time ago. Too many biased and fanboyish opinion. Most of those blogs now are either pro-Samsung or pro-Apple. Everything got to compare to the S3/New Iphone. Sony, LG and other smartphones company got smashed to death. So, what's the point?
bad marketing led to bad dev support
its that bad that the well talented and knowledgeable developers with good taste aren't here. compared to what i used to have and get with xperia arc S. people in this xperia 2012 forum doesn't work well with each other. i have posted and created several threads for the betterment of the device, but none or a very few are responding.
hell they don't even care if they a have a slick and good looking quicktoggles that matches the SONY UXP UI, a very few cooperate with software issues like quick camera launch bug and the BRAVIA engine issue for unlocked bootloaders.
several devs from 2012 line up were asking devs from this forum for a little cooperation of porting some goodies, but no one is cooperating.
IF I ONLY HAD THE KNOWLEDGE HOW TO DO ALL THIS, I WILL SPEND ATLEAST A FEW HOURS OF MY FREE TIME TO MAKE THIS GLOOMY FORUM LIVELY.
They don't sell the acro s everywhere, maybe that's why.
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ambetdelarosa said:
IF I ONLY HAD THE KNOWLEDGE HOW TO DO ALL THIS, I WILL SPEND ATLEAST A FEW HOURS OF MY FREE TIME TO MAKE THIS GLOOMY FORUM LIVELY.
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The knowledge can be gathered all over the internet. I also do not have the knowledge but the lack of customizations for Acro S lead me to try to tweak stuff myself .. and guess what: it worked .
Now we are getting to the second part of your sentence: free time. What free time ? I wish I had at least 2 hours a day to dedicate on doing new stuff ... but I don't. And looking at the dev. community, there are few devs doing stuff for a lot of devices so I guess they don't have too much time to dedicate to Acro S alone.
So basically we are stuck ... I tried MIUI - no go for me. I them moved to CM .. 9.1 is fine but still has few bugs ... CM10 is not yet ready for daily use. So ... I got stuck with the original sony firmware with some tweaks that I implemented myself and with all the bloatware removed. In the end is a nice and stable device so I don;t complain too much ... I just wish some JB would be made available by Sony (considering that my previous device was a Galaxy Nexus I know what I'm missing).
As for the "badly marketed" part I do not agree. In my opinion Acro S was a test conceived to see how people will adhere to such a phone. Is not the fastest nor the slimmest device on the market and the battery life is sub-par ... but is waterproof. And apparently there is not a lot of people out there willing to trade off slickness for roughness ... and if there is no huge market, so is the advertising/marketing for the product.
And let's not forget. This phone was announced way back, at the beginning of 2012 ... and it was made available in September ... quite a delay I might say. From now on people are concentrating on the new models.
In a way I agree this thing is badly marketed. On August 9 I sent message to sony support center Romania, and they replied me on August 21 saying:
With regards to your inquiry, first of all we would like to apologize for the delay in our answer for your email. We would like to inform you that Xperia Acro S is not available in the Romanian market.
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Couple of days later I found out that many mobile phone vendors here in Romania already sell this item.
not yet released in india where defy rules and it could be a great success, if they had released it in india poor marketing ..............
ro_explorer said:
The knowledge can be gathered all over the internet. I also do not have the knowledge but the lack of customizations for Acro S lead me to try to tweak stuff myself .. and guess what: it worked .
Now we are getting to the second part of your sentence: free time. What free time ? I wish I had at least 2 hours a day to dedicate on doing new stuff ... but I don't. And looking at the dev. community, there are few devs doing stuff for a lot of devices so I guess they don't have too much time to dedicate to Acro S alone.
So basically we are stuck ... I tried MIUI - no go for me. I them moved to CM .. 9.1 is fine but still has few bugs ... CM10 is not yet ready for daily use. So ... I got stuck with the original sony firmware with some tweaks that I implemented myself and with all the bloatware removed. In the end is a nice and stable device so I don;t complain too much ... I just wish some JB would be made available by Sony (considering that my previous device was a Galaxy Nexus I know what I'm missing).
As for the "badly marketed" part I do not agree. In my opinion Acro S was a test conceived to see how people will adhere to such a phone. Is not the fastest nor the slimmest device on the market and the battery life is sub-par ... but is waterproof. And apparently there is not a lot of people out there willing to trade off slickness for roughness ... and if there is no huge market, so is the advertising/marketing for the product.
And let's not forget. This phone was announced way back, at the beginning of 2012 ... and it was made available in September ... quite a delay I might say. From now on people are concentrating on the new models.
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The Acro S has the same cpu, gpu, ram, camera as the Xperia S. The same amazing display with the highest pixel density in the entire market and it supports SD cards up to 64 gigs while the S can't support SD at all, now since you mentioned the battery, Acro S has a 1910 mAh battery, the S 1750 mAh battery.
Add to that the fact that it's waterproof, dust proof and that it can take a beating and that it does not suffer from the buttons failing problem in the S and you got a phone that is superior in every single way, yet today people still go buy the S while the Acro sits next to it on the shelf, why? Terrible marketing, do you think anyone who knows what i just wrote will still buy an S?
The only place where the Acro have been properly promoted was in Japan and it was a massive hit, dude who wouldn't take a waterproof rugged phone that can dive and offer specs better than the flagship device?, and i am talking mainly about the japanese versions of the Acro that got released way before the Acro S when the Xperia S was still Sony's flagship.
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Acro S is advertised alot in Hong Kong ... Thats why release date for v is pushed here in Hong Kong ,,,, !
osharaf said:
The Acro S has the same cpu, gpu, ram, camera as the Xperia S. The same amazing display with the highest pixel density in the entire market and it supports SD cards up to 64 gigs while the S can't support SD at all, now since you mentioned the battery, Acro S has a 1910 mAh battery, the S 1750 mAh battery.
Add to that the fact that it's waterproof, dust proof and that it can take a beating and that it does not suffer from the buttons failing problem in the S and you got a phone that is superior in every single way, yet today people still go buy the S while the Acro sits next to it on the shelf, why? Terrible marketing, do you think anyone who knows what i just wrote will still buy an S?
The only place where the Acro have been properly promoted was in Japan and it was a massive hit, dude who wouldn't take a waterproof rugged phone that can dive and offer specs better than the flagship device?, and i am talking mainly about the japanese versions of the Acro that got released way before the Acro S when the Xperia S was still Sony's flagship.
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I know everything to know, and it is sold in my country. But I still go for the S.
Acro S is a little late to the party than other phone had become cheap.
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I was just reading this article and wanted to see what our community thinks about it...
http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/112989/brands-disappear-2012-247
With them unlocking the newer phones seems like a way to try to keep alive...
Meh. They've been in trouble for a while now in my opinion. Their phones have been alright but none of them really stand out anymore. Even the Play fell far short of what it could have been (seriously, all they needed to do was release with ff7 on there and they would have killed it ).
It'll be a shame if it happens but it's possible if things don't pick up for them .
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Xperia arc - best single core phone that money can buy.
Well thats the sad part. Play was supposed to be like their ACE under the hand but... Just fell short... I hope they REALLY start listening to us and it looks like they are starting like rolling out the X10 update. If they want to survive there ginna have to adapt...
that would be sad =( hopefully this doesn't happen. SE deserves much more than this.
Just crap xD
Its funny how you can see a video to compare xperia arc and the super duper trooper SGS2 and the experia Arc with single core its basically the same phone xD
SE always got phones that looks at least 1 year older than competence (hardware) but they always do the same and sometimes do better that some ultra super duper phones.
I dont think SE will come down that way =P
Sorry for my bad english! _o/
I think they're wrong...
If you go by handset numbers then yes, they're selling fewer. But Q4 in 2008 they had a 184 million euro loss. Just to compare, SE had an 8 million euro profit in Q4 2010.
Yeah, not much but a huge change and profitable. If it wasn't for Android, I don't think there would be an SE anymore :O
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i think they're wrong...
If you go by handset numbers then yes, they're selling fewer. But q4 in 2008 they had a 184 million euro loss. Just to compare, se had an 8 million euro profit in q4 2010.
Yeah, not much but a huge change and profitable. If it wasn't for android, i don't think there would be an se anymore
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yup... That symbian os was holding them back...
read the article more carefully people, they'll drop the Ericsson name and call it just Sony, they're not going out of business yet.
It won´t happen so many time hearing this rummors i think that SE is upgrading the strategy they went through a very bad year in 2010 but now it seems to be different they are giving the costomers a very good catalog in phones and with verry good quality a little more time and SE will be at the top again you´ll see that
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I was just reading this article and wanted to see what our community thinks about it...
http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/112989/brands-disappear-2012-247
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I wouldn't put that much stock into these yearly articles released by 24/7 Wall St. More than half the time they are completely wrong, and the times they are 'right' are because of predictions based on corporate events that will lead to inevitable happenings anyway.
I think they are totally off the mark regarding Sony Pictures. Sony would never give up Sony Pictures. They wanted in the motion picture and television businesses so they could be deeper in the entertainment industry ecosystem beyond just technology.
24/7 Wall St.'s prediction for Sony Ericsson most likely came from analyst articles like this one:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110524/tc_nm/us_sony_ericsson
SE is, at least, making money again, and they are releasing more and more Android products. As long as they continue cover the entire spectrum of high- to mid- to low-end Android phones, people will buy. I don't think they will ever be #1 in market share or even close to it. But I doubt Sony Ericsson would ever be absorbed into the main Sony brand. As long as they are in the top ten and profitable (like the VAIO line which is forever in the bottom-five of the top ten PC brands and usually eeks out smallish profits), they will be around.
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I wouldn't put that much stock into these yearly articles released by 24/7 Wall St. More than half the time they are completely wrong, and the times they are 'right' are because of predictions based on corporate events that will lead to inevitable happenings anyway.
I think they are totally off the mark regarding Sony Pictures. Sony would never give up Sony Pictures. They wanted in the motion picture and television businesses so they could be deeper in the entertainment industry ecosystem beyond just technology.
24/7 Wall St.'s prediction for Sony Ericsson most likely came from analyst articles like this one:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110524/tc_nm/us_sony_ericsson
SE is, at least, making money again, and they are releasing more and more Android products. As long as they continue cover the entire spectrum of high- to mid- to low-end Android phones, people will buy. I don't think they will ever be #1 in market share or even close to it. But I doubt Sony Ericsson would ever be absorbed into the main Sony brand. As long as they are in the top ten and profitable (like the VAIO line which is forever in the bottom-five of the top ten PC brands and usually eeks out smallish profits), they will be around.
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I think when SE will get a lil more profit, they will start releasing better phones. But I don't care anymore I'm moving to HTC/Samsung for my next phone.
I was just reading this and I'm like wtf?
If only HTC makes a better camera and Samsung not mimicking the iOS..
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Xperia arc - best single core phone that money can buy.
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no one wants a single core phone in an age of dual cores. Only the style over substance crowd will buy the arc but they are not enough to generate large enough sales. Plus apple have that segment of the market pretty much sealed up. regarding the article, I don't think it would be such a bad idea for SE to take total control of things. ericsson in my opinion are just holding them back.
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no one wants a single core phone in an age of dual cores. Only the style over substance crowd will buy the arc but they are not enough to generate large enough sales. Plus apple have that segment of the market pretty much sealed up.
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agreed looks wise there nice but in terms of performance i can name a few that are better.
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that would be sad =( hopefully this doesn't happen. SE deserves much more than this.
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They say you get what you deserve in life. They have themselves completely to blame for all their troubles.
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no one wants a single core phone in an age of dual cores. Only the style over substance crowd will buy the arc but they are not enough to generate large enough sales. Plus apple have that segment of the market pretty much sealed up. regarding the article, I don't think it would be such a bad idea for SE to take total control of things. ericsson in my opinion are just holding them back.
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A dual core phone is nothing unless the software is designed to take advantage of it, which is currently the case. Google has stated that Honeycomb is the only version of Android that supports multiple threads/CPUs.
So until Google updates the phone OS to support it don't buy into the gimmick.
SE phones are usually Expensive with Not lastest hardwares.watch price of Xperia arc and SG2 .... samsung is much cheaper and have last hardwares.definitely my next phone will be HTC/samsung
Samsung Galaxy S III is a mighty beast? Agreed. Does it have the meanest specs? It does. Can it be upgraded to Android's latest when it comes? Might not be.
S III reviews are coming out and here's a quote from The Verge's review-
"One thing that goes consistently overlooked with respect to Samsung’s phones is the company’s ignominious track record with Android software updates. There may be worse offenders out there, but Samsung’s chronic failure to update its devices on time (or at all) is a significant black mark for a brand looking to lead the way in almost every other respect. Thus, as much as I may enjoy the Galaxy S III today, I have to temper that enthusiasm with the knowledge that its long-term future may not be as rosy as that of a stock Android device"
http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/25/3042640/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-review
The Galaxy S II ICS update hasn't come to India yet where Sony is almost ready to release ICS updates for their low-end range in a week, despite S II being a flagship. People in this forum are constantly doubting Sony's commitment to their customers. I don't know why but they should never. For a company which is willing to support the developer community for the greater good, nothing speaks more trust than that. So if you worried about the ICS update or future updates about your XPERIA S, never worry. Just wait for a couple of weeks more and you will get it.
So will you trust Sony?
i owned an xperia x10->ray and now xperia s.
the xps is a very good phone i can say is fantastic, i played some howers a go a game made by qualcomm it self (snapdragon) the game is Desert wind still in very very alpha and not even completed and i can say that game completly destroys all tegra 3 games i ever seen!
but lets be honest the galaxy s3 is a better phone in many aspects, is a newer high end phone is normal to be better, not only for the futures he comes with but for the hardware to, if i should buy a new phone right now i'll wait for the galaxy s 3!
No i'll never trust FONY again!
It is absolutly a fatal error that FONY decided to update tre 2011 line before the new XPERIA S "flagship"...
AND...
The S/E update track record is also really not something they can be proud of...
Xperia X10 with 1.6 on launch, ages and deadlines went by before we finally got 2.1...
And then they said that X10 would not recive 2.3... Just after a huge pressure they finally decided to put together a 2.3, but without the features the phone had in 2.1 smileshutter and so on... Again we had to wait for ages...
They use excuses like hardware limitations, but really, even the X10 run ICS... Thank god for XDA!!!
And dont get me started on the whole single/dual touch issue... That was also really not something they should be proud of...
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No i'll never trust FONY again!
It is absolutly a fatal error that FONY decided to update tre 2011 line before the new XPERIA S "flagship"...
AND...
The S/E update track record is also really not something they can be proud of...
Xperia X10 with 1.6 on launch, ages and deadlines went by before we finally got 2.1...
And then they said that X10 would not recive 2.3... Just after a huge pressure they finally decided to put together a 2.3, but without the features the phone had in 2.1 smileshutter and so on... Again we had to wait for ages...
They use excuses like hardware limitations, but really, even the X10 run ICS... Thank god for XDA!!!
And dont get me started on the whole single/dual touch issue... That was also really not something they should be proud of...
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Even my X10 MP could run ICS. But that's marketing. It has been like that and always will be.
Xperia for life..
Sony simply love the aftermarket developers, users need.
They are social company, not some kind of competitor like apple or samsung, they aiming only for money..
Sony aim also on money, but taking in mind care of users, satisfaction of user, being reliable, accepting if they mistake in something (arc case, xperia s screen) and wiling to repair it for free...
what do you need more?
great phone poor support
i cant think of many reasons, and i have the xperia s,
it has a better screen (ppi) and i prefer the look of the xperia s, when ics comes to the xperia s i might be able to find more however with the s3 having a much larger battery, current reviews(benchmarks) say it has twice the standby time of the htc one x,
although samsung have fallen in the update area, sony have been far from good with theres with something as small as firmware and ics, three, tmobile and orange have all released there version of the .73 firmware to fix the battery drain issue and there is no generic version released as yet and wont be for some weeks, i developed the yellow tint on my first xperia s and had to wait 6 weeks for my phone to be returned, not sure what samsung are like at this but from my point of view i paid £400 for as phone that went dead after 42 days !!!! i should have had a replacement set to me not a repair
then there is ics which has a big stamp on the box saying its upgradable, the one x comes out with it, the 2011 range get it and still another month or two wait for there so called flagship to recieve the update when samsung s2 recieved the upgrade before sony got it to the 2011 range aswell,
sony were once the best in the market but now there one of the worst for it,
as much as i love the phone to pieces and wouldnt swap it for anything else on the market at the moment the support from sony and the timely updates are appalling,
i even had a chat with sony support and asked when the 73 firmware update will be released for generic uk users and his response was "do you mean ics" further training needed too i think,
plus on the xperia s
screen
camera
playstation certified
panorama 3d photos,
hdmi support
styling (see thru cap at bottom is a very good touch esp in a dark room/club)
plus on the samsung
processor
lte version to be released
additional micro sd slot ( i know 32gb is enough but what about when you want to print photos direct from the phone in store) micro sd does come in handy
ics already pre installed,
better browsing due to ics
better multitaksing due to ics the list can go on
when xperia s gets ics i still think the xperia s will be the better phone as you dont need a quad core nowadays but it has to be listed as a pro for the s3, i doubt you will get the use of it for another year or so until some advanced apps come out,
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No i'll never trust FONY again!
It is absolutly a fatal error that FONY decided to update tre 2011 line before the new XPERIA S "flagship"...
AND...
The S/E update track record is also really not something they can be proud of...
Xperia X10 with 1.6 on launch, ages and deadlines went by before we finally got 2.1...
And then they said that X10 would not recive 2.3... Just after a huge pressure they finally decided to put together a 2.3, but without the features the phone had in 2.1 smileshutter and so on... Again we had to wait for ages...
They use excuses like hardware limitations, but really, even the X10 run ICS... Thank god for XDA!!!
And dont get me started on the whole single/dual touch issue... That was also really not something they should be proud of...
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The Samasung track record for updating is much much worse than Sony. Sony is one of the best when it comes to updating for Android. Also I would rather have them wait and release an almost perfect version than push out a crummy one. Go test the HTC One series which have lag issues in ICS and you will see what I mean.
pshdo said:
No i'll never trust FONY again!
It is absolutly a fatal error that FONY decided to update tre 2011 line before the new XPERIA S "flagship"...
AND...
The S/E update track record is also really not something they can be proud of...
Xperia X10 with 1.6 on launch, ages and deadlines went by before we finally got 2.1...
And then they said that X10 would not recive 2.3... Just after a huge pressure they finally decided to put together a 2.3, but without the features the phone had in 2.1 smileshutter and so on... Again we had to wait for ages...
They use excuses like hardware limitations, but really, even the X10 run ICS... Thank god for XDA!!!
And dont get me started on the whole single/dual touch issue... That was also really not something they should be proud of...
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You should try owning a Motorola if you think Sony have done you a disservice.
Fanboi threads are fail. Sony lost alot of good will with the fiasco that was the x10. Samsung ran rings around them and to be fair, and speaking as an S user, they still do. Updates? Sony vs Samsung? It's a no brainer. The S2 didn't get to where it is by shoddy after market support, quite the contrary. If it wasn't for the vast number of pissed off customers the x10 would still be running 2.1. Sony lovers devs? The lols just keep coming. All the aftermarket devs have done has been to show just how incompetent Sony are, how they try to hoodwink their less tech savvy customers by spinning utter bull**** about hardware limitations etc... And the list goes on. 3 months down the line im still waiting to be able to have some fun with my S. Silly me, should have held on to my brilliant S2 and waited for a proper phone by a manufacturer that knows how to please the masses.
Well, I would never, ever consider the Xperia S over the S3. Never. Xperia S in my opinion is a competitor of the GNex. S3? No.
The Hayabusa will be that phone.
And about the updates, remember that Carriers are the biggest problem, specially in these cases of "not in my country!"
And didn't Sony just said they won't update the Xperia Play? I mean, seriously?
lol where is the update for the original flagship arc? They updated the mid end neo V and ray but not the arc how wonderful!! And did you hear they cancelled the update for the xperia play despite "promising" it?
Wait wait where is the update for the xperia S for that matter? Are you even serious making this topic? So what if the S2 update hasnt reached india yet? It's pretty simple to put another country firmware, you really dont need indian firmware just because one lives in india. There is hardly any difference.
Samsung has bad support for their mid end and low end phones yes thats true but it doesnt apply in the slightest bit to their flagship. The galaxy S was one of the first phones after nexus S to get gingerbread. Galaxy S wasnt updated to ICS but neither was any other phone from it's time.
It's unfortunate that the Xperia PLAY won't get ICS, but it's down to issues with the gamepad and changes in ICS - which would ultimately require most Xperia PLAY optimised games to be modified.
I think Sony realised that this was not practical and had to make a tough decision. Yes, it does mean they can no longer claim to be upgrading every single 2011 model - but one exception is still pretty good compared to all of those HTC, Samsung, LG and Motorola models released in 2011 that won't get updates (contrary to popular belief, Samsung did release more than the Note and Galaxy S II last year!).
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It's unfortunate that the Xperia PLAY won't get ICS, but it's down to issues with the gamepad and changes in ICS - which would ultimately require most Xperia PLAY optimised games to be modified.
I think Sony realised that this was not practical and had to make a tough decision. Yes, it does mean they can no longer claim to be upgrading every single 2011 model - but one exception is still pretty good compared to all of those HTC, Samsung, LG and Motorola models released in 2011 that won't get updates (contrary to popular belief, Samsung did release more than the Note and Galaxy S II last year!).
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If you cut down the SGSII variants that are a problem of the carriers, the number of devices goes down.
Plus, they should be working in the update of the Xperia S even before it's release. I dunno why they did this the way they did. They screwed up big time IMO.
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It's unfortunate that the Xperia PLAY won't get ICS, but it's down to issues with the gamepad and changes in ICS - which would ultimately require most Xperia PLAY optimised games to be modified.
I think Sony realised that this was not practical and had to make a tough decision. Yes, it does mean they can no longer claim to be upgrading every single 2011 model - but one exception is still pretty good compared to all of those HTC, Samsung, LG and Motorola models released in 2011 that won't get updates (contrary to popular belief, Samsung did release more than the Note and Galaxy S II last year!).
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HTC is updating most of it's phones as well, even the desire HD which was launched in 2010!! You cant expect them to update something like the wildfire S with a 600mhz CPU and 512MB ROM. The minimum xperia phone getting updated is 1Ghz CPU and 1GB ROM.
Samsung did mess up yes but not on their flagship, do you even know the S2 has started shipping with ICS out of the box? The verge reviewer has no idea what he is talking about.
I never recommend the cheaper samsung phones to anyone but to try to put the S3 in a negative spot because of how samsung treats it's cheaper phones is ridiculous.
http://www.gsmarena.com/galaxy_s_ii_in_india_is_now_shipping_with_android_40_ics-news-4273.php
The reviewer of The Verge is the guy who got his heart broken by Samsung in the release of the S3.
I'm just pleased to see that he did gave a 0 to the phone.
Another plus for the S3, the dev support it will have will likely be unprecedent. It's already the most preordered gadget in history (sure, the number is much higher than the real purchases because some people have pre ordered different collors and memory amount just to be safe).
Motorola sucks. I hope that with it's new CEO things will change there and they get back on the right track of producing great phones. My Motorola Milestone (2009) is able to run CM9 with it's OMAP3 550mhz (overclocked at 1ghz) and 256mb of RAM, pretty impressive for a device with a locked bootloader, IMO.
I agree with you that Xperia S is better, but your reason isn't right. The thing is everyone's impressed with the s3's specs like qead-core processor although it is something you definitely don't need these days. You will never get to a point when a dual-core will not be enough for ANY kind of software. Moreover, xperia S' camera is better and has faster processor.
Long story short, Samsung is putting a lot of effort on over mighty specifications you don't need, maybe just for the once who compare it to the S by specs only. The ICS delay is annoying I must say, but it is not that terrible.. Another month is not THAT much.
Xperia S is sexy, awesome display and camera, and very fast. Sony is my choice.
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MasterLinuxer said:
You will never get to a point when a dual-core will not be enough for ANY kind of software. Moreover, xperia S' camera is better and has faster processor.
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They said the same thing about 1Ghz single core CPU's, they always say xyz will always be enough forever but it is never the case. The biggest limitation of xperia S is actually the GPU which really could have been better for 720p resolution. 1.5Ghz dual core CPU and 1GB ram would not cause any issues for a long time.
Xperia S camera is not better just because it has more megapixels. I would think the camera is just about equal on both, the great feature the xperia S has is camera button.
And xperia has faster processor? lol wut?
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No i'll never trust FONY again!
It is absolutly a fatal error that FONY decided to update tre 2011 line before the new XPERIA S "flagship"...
AND...
The S/E update track record is also really not something they can be proud of...
Xperia X10 with 1.6 on launch, ages and deadlines went by before we finally got 2.1...
And then they said that X10 would not recive 2.3... Just after a huge pressure they finally decided to put together a 2.3, but without the features the phone had in 2.1 smileshutter and so on... Again we had to wait for ages...
They use excuses like hardware limitations, but really, even the X10 run ICS... Thank god for XDA!!!
And dont get me started on the whole single/dual touch issue... That was also really not something they should be proud of...
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Did Samsung Galaxy S get ICS? And mind u, Samsung sold a butt load of those.
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To a few people here, easy guys. Let's have a constructive discussion and not a bashing one. I for one am not a Sony representative and am quite an objective gadget lover - have many devices including an iPod touch (because I love Apple's OS fluidoty), a Galaxy S2, the Xperia S and the Ray. It makes sense to love everything
Now to the point I wanted to make. Companies should sometimes care about customers too. The fact that X10 got 2.3 is huge. Do you remember Samsung's first galaxy having anything more than 1.6? Do you remember the HTC Hero with more than 2.1? Sony never left these customers in the lurch. Asking for ICS when you bought the X10 is like wishing for lifetime ice-cream supply.
I will tell you another case which I think everybody should know. Samsung quietly replaced the S2 I9100 with I9100G a couple of months ago in the Indian market. What do you say is all the fuss eh? The chipset inside is not a dual-core Exynos or Mali GFX chipset. It's replaced by Cortex A9 and PowerVR SGX540. The processor was underclocked. The GPU was inferior. Asked Samsung on Twitter and they said that chipsets have been replaced but they have similar performance. Benchmarks around the world suggested otherwise. So is Samsung being very clever? Would you like to buy something that is a lie and a false promise in the first place? They just released this model in developing markets because there was a Exynos shortage for European markets so they realised why not fool the mindless buyers of lowly markets!
And I have one question at the end of this - WOULD YOU HAVE ACCEPTED SUCH MANIPULATIVE MARKET PRACTICES?
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Hardware debate again. The only valid argument for GSIII is its hardware.
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Hello everyone.
I'm at rly big dilemma right now. So, I'm wondering if i should buy Sony Xperia S or Galaxy Note 10.1. The most important thing is that i have to decide till 30.11 because there's an promotion in my shop. Xperia S + Euti with keyboard in one price.
The main question is that i won't make a big mistake, mainly im concerned about Sony's support for Tabs. I'm sure that Samsung won't leave Tab just like that without any updates and most of developers are now working with Galaxy i guess.
SO, do You think that Xperia S will get updates and developers will take care of that model? Because my friend with older one is very disapointed about Sony's updates, etc.
Thx for any answer and sorry if i did topic in wrong section.
The xperia tablet s is no developer darling. Far from it. Sony is extraordinary slow on updates. My local support didn't even know if jelly bean were "in the making" for the xperia. But official, international Sony has confirmed it. But considering devices like the Motorola zoom allready got jelly bean, despite being 2+ years old, Sony is really not a particulaly good OEM, when it comes to updates. About the tablet it self : really bugged. Really bad software, mediocre battery life, and filled to the brim with bloatware. Fortunately, root access has been achieved, so that can be dealt with. Design and feel of the tab is awesome, but software wise, it's close to disaster. Far from finished.. I say, put your money on a nexus 10. Same price, better specs, vanilla Android and better support from google and developers alike. Just my 2 cents.
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Yes I tuner to the Xperia this tablet is not for programmers and adventurous. But the Xperia Tablet is a very very useful device - top is the display and the processing - up to now I just noticed a bug - Standby Wifi Bug ... but otherwise everything works super - I have when buying and I'm also expecting no desire to torment me with Custom Roms have more bugs that have been adapted from programmed Hobbyprogs /. Previously I had an LG V900 and the LG IPAD2 there was only one update us .. but from 3.0 to 3.1 and there was already ICS out then the device is not supported in any further a USB connection without function and not a fix. Samsung is not exactly famous for its updates only when the new series - when the unit is 2 years old it was then with updates ... Also, the Google phones and tablets not convince me ... In the end it's like with all things, there is nix perfect one must always make swab ... I already have the Xperia S phone and am very excited so I decided for the Xperia S Tablet ... and I have not regretted it or not root task of the manufacturer is to close the gaps and has the Sony made you can not even be angry ... and JB is certainly the end of January 2013
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Hello everyone.
I'm at rly big dilemma right now. So, I'm wondering if i should buy Sony Xperia S or Galaxy Note 10.1. The most important thing is that i have to decide till 30.11 because there's an promotion in my shop. Xperia S + Euti with keyboard in one price.
The main question is that i won't make a big mistake, mainly im concerned about Sony's support for Tabs. I'm sure that Samsung won't leave Tab just like that without any updates and most of developers are now working with Galaxy i guess.
SO, do You think that Xperia S will get updates and developers will take care of that model? Because my friend with older one is very disapointed about Sony's updates, etc.
Thx for any answer and sorry if i did topic in wrong section.
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I agree with Raedek
Premium feel, awesome design and above average display. It could be a winner if not for the buggy software. I couldn't get past the random shutdowns while watching movies or in sleep mode. I've had a positive experience with the nexus 7 so I tend to agree with the suggestion to go with a Nexus 10. Good luck with your decision
Personally I wouldn't touch the Sony S v2 tablet.
I made the mistake with the first Sony Tablet S when it was heavily discounted only to learn that this tablet has very poor developer support: no ROMs and can't even do a nand backup. Updates are also non-existent.
My Sony S is pretty much junk ATM IMHO.
My advice would be to avoid and go for something that is more widely supported (i.e Xoom or Samsung tablets) by developers.
Good luck.
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Hello everyone.
I'm at rly big dilemma right now. So, I'm wondering if i should buy Sony Xperia S or Galaxy Note 10.1. /QUOTE]
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Totally disagree with all the comments here which seem to come from people that owned the previous tablet, but not the S2.
I don't spend my money lightly and after last years model, I wanted to be sure this was the right tabletl before I spent money on another Sony product.It wasn't the wrong choice, the Xperia Tablet S is a fantastic bit of kit, I don't have any bugs with mine (or bugs that affect me) and it wasn't purchased because of the development support.
If you want development, go with the Nexus 10, but if it's not development you want, the Xperia Tab is for you. Have had it since day 1 and love it!!!
The xperia tablet s is no developer darling. Far from it. Sony is extraordinary slow on updates. My local support didn't even know if jelly bean were "in the making" for the xperia. But official, international Sony has confirmed it. But considering devices like the Motorola zoom allready got jelly bean, despite being 2+ years old, Sony is really not a particulaly good OEM, when it comes to updates. About the tablet it self : really bugged. Really bad software, mediocre battery life, and filled to the brim with bloatware. Fortunately, root access has been achieved, so that can be dealt with. Design and feel of the tab is awesome, but software wise, it's close to disaster. Far from finished.. I say, put your money on a nexus 10. Same price, better specs, vanilla Android and better support from google and developers alike. Just my
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Agreed. Battery life excluded. I like the device, I own it, but it can be underwhelming at times. Personally, I don't like the Nexus 10. Feels cheap and the outstanding specs, like screen resolution and contrast seem subpar comparing to the Xperia Tablet S, even though it embodies half the screen resolution. Seems silly, but that is what I see.
The xperia tablet is one of the best currently on the market. The only android tab that could outdo it in my mind right now is the nexus 10 because of the awesome display and ram...but no sd card slot so if you want lots of storage you have to pay 500.
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Sony Xperia phones now 3rd highest seller internationally
http://tinyurl.com/ae3adwb (Wall Street Journal)
Sony is 2nd highest in the United Kingdom
http://tinyurl.com/co6wcep (Talk Android)
I guess Sony is back with a vengeance. I like many things that Apple and Samsung bring to the mobile market, but I'm tired of watching this duopoly develop, so I'm glad to see more competition and a disruption to that dupoply. I don't know where all you guys live, but where I live, almost ALL of the Samsung phones are almost as expensive as the Apple ones and at that they are all black retangular boring objects with NO differentiation. I'm glad to see NEW price points, COLOUR and CHOICE. Sadly, HTC, Sharp and others seem to have been falling apart in the last couple of years so any more competition is good.
(As for the resources, if you Google the stories you'll find a resource that you may prefer, these two were more credible for me.)
They are beautiful devices, I'm now on my third and my next Phone no doubt will be one.
That's me too, I own products from all of the major companies and really enjoy them, but I think Sony's on to something with these phones, and the sales stats. suggest the same too.
Love the Sony phones (have four of them). Never been a fan of HTC and Samsung just feels cheap (though they have nice software additions). Next years Sony devices are going to kick ass too.
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next year I may purchase a sony nexus
If a Sony nexus comes.. It will be a no-brainer for me....i love Sony products... This is my 4th phone 4m Sony.. Never been disappointed....
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This is very good news indeed. I've always felt that Sony and the Xperia range have never received the recognition they deserve like the way Apple and Samsung do. Some people buy iPhones and S3s and Note 2s just because of the name. Good to see people finally coming to their senses. Xperias ftw
yeaaahhh... This is real story, my friend sold his Galaxy W and he asked me which Sony phone is the best with a budget around Rp 3 million
and I suggest him to buy Xperia P..
It's a prove that Sony is back and I proud have my Sola... :highfive:
Yeah xperias become really popular,no one wants Samsung becuase their phones are ugly and expensive (not Apple expensive) but still my country goes two Europe lower midlle part so price is really important (i cant understand how americans could be poor when everything is much cheaper is their country and still have much bigger pay) for example my cousing who never had Smartphone (of ANY kind) want to buy Xperia Miro so he asked me is it good,well I told him to go with Xperia Mini or Live but he insisted,not sure why.This is just proof that their sales are going up because good design and cheap prices.Just to warn I see many Samsugn-Apple fanboys not reccomending Sony because of 2010 Xperia fiasco but they never had any Sony phone.I cant understand who could buy Samsung phones,they are ugly and have problems+one of worst update support,but it looks they are upgrading Novathor devices to JB so Sony must to then because that could really get effect to their sales.
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I agree with all of you.
I had an Xperia S, and now i have an Xperia P.....is the sexiest smartphone on the market IMHO. I selled XS just because was too big and heavy for my pockets....just the battery is less durable....but overall i like more than XS.
Another good thing from Sony are the updates that generally are quite frequent and good instead of other brands (who said LG ? ).
How exciting. I can't wait to see what Sony offers in the future.
Yeah, lots of tech. sites are speculating that Sony is ramping up it's software and updates now that it's getting so much positive media attention. I cannot believe how popular the latest Bond phone is...
p.s. I put this in the general news section of Android on XDA. This is news of a major Android OEM. But it was stuffed in this corner. That p**** me off sometimes.
Thats what they call as categorisation
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Well,everybody that are not Sony user keep complaining that Sony doesn't use quad core device and says dual core device is low end devices....and I was like "Dafuq dude..."...Smartphone is a phone,not a computer...
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Well,everybody that are not Sony user keep complaining that Sony doesn't use quad core device and says dual core device is low end devices....and I was like "Dafuq dude..."...Smartphone is a phone,not a computer...
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Sony has a long way to go...hope we get a Sony Nexus NXT year!!!
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Yeah, initially Sony made some public comments that they were not rushing into multiple cores (over a year ago) because smartphones 'had no use for them'. Now, if they perform well with fewer or a single core, I agree. Many cores to me is like too many megapixels, there is more to a good camera than megapixels, no?
To be honest, I do not see any performance boost on my dual core Sola than any of my previous single core phones. And yes, I would *love* to see a Sony Nexus. It should have been the Bond phone! Imagine the Bond phone which is so popular getting Nexus status? Actually, if you Google this, Sony Ericsson declined Google's invitation to be an early Nexus device OEM. Bert Norberg said something about 'we're not that kind of OEM', right before sales and profits tanked.
Hello,
I sold my Xperia after some time and I can tell you the Bravia Engine and little customisation from Sony is great. The feel of phone in your hand is also good. Also, the xperia U/P/Go/Sola/ other devices are very good gadgets and they have enough support from developers.The LED bar in Xperia U is truely awesome and it could change colours just made it epic. If you are go for looks and beauty, certainly these devices are for you. Performance is good usually but not good enough in some case. (the price is not too high)
What are the factors that disappoint you ?
I will tell you mine what I can think of:
*Usually no expandable memory and in some case, battery is fixed.
*Bugs in ICS with no real support from Sony on these devices
*Bad battery life although I turned off the LED bar and used it with zero brightness. Still couldnot last more than a day on average use.
*My charger started to take long time to charge and it was quicker to charge via USB cable. In the beginning the charge time was epic. Just about an hour to charge it fully.
*NO SUPPORT FROM SONY AND UPDATES COME VERY VERY LATE AND DEVICES ARE ONLY SUPPORTED FOR MONTHS.
*NOT REAL LOUD SOUND
UPDATE :
I bought another Xperia
You forgot Xperia sola
Because of ICS laggy update, no support of Sony, no jelly bean update for Sony xperia u and poor service
im currently using xperia sola for about a year. ive tried a couple other xperia phones '12 like u, p, s, j and sony didnt good that much of a work. this mid price range devices dont have great potential (using sony's stock os). that unfortunate thing is that if you want to make your devices OK you have to do lots of stuff(root unlock bl etc etc you get the idea). but most of the people dont know about xda-flashing rom etc.they just stay at gb or stock ics and complain,or choose to buy a more mainstream devices and this results to not jave that great potential from xperia mid price range device community.
Sorry for my bad english. :angel:
No, I have all my phones still
Ericsson T68m
2x Sony Ericsson T68i (one brand new in box)
2x Sony Ericsson T230
Sony Ericsson T610
Sony Ericsson T630
Sony Ericsson K510
2x Sony Ericsson W810 (Black + White)
Sony Ericsson C905
Sony Ericsson Elm (J10i2).
Did have another T230 and two K550's but lost track of them).
I hate my Xperia U, performance sucks (on stock and CM9), if I see a good deal I'll replace it, but still wouldn't sell the U.
I would sell Xperia U because of inadequate RAM and unavailability of separate recovery partition.
I'd be lucky to get anything for an Xperia P, after having this device a year I hate it, looking forward to a new phone at the end of this month, probably won't be a Sony due to my Xperia p experience
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I am so regretful for having sold my xperia active. Now I have an Xperia Go, is not as powerful as I wish but it is ok. I change my rom once in a while and I am so happy with it.
I was so scared to unlock the bootloader of my X.Active and never did. I guess if I had, I still would have my old phone and never bought another one. Bricking and unbricking your phone and change roms from XDA devs is so funny that you will forget about all the new phones coming out every day.
as for myself, maybe i'd only sell my X-Sola if it's decommissioned, forced to retire, or got a rival phone in my pocket.. it's quite great actually, after tampering with it a lot of customization..
overall, i'm lucky to choose this one..
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You forgot Xperia sola
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I was talking about midrange phones, Sola is surely covered
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I would prolly only sell it for money. Pretty happy with my XP now.
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In a way I regret selling it as i didnot want to spend too much on a phone now so I bought HTC Incredible S which I changed to HTC chacha. I am not happy with both either but atleast the small screen on my HTC chacha doesnot distract me too much from playing games, reading forums, news etc. The main reason I sold it was that I couldnot concentrate much on anything really. Just me and my phone. I am not sure what will happen when I get the New nexus 7
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Because of ICS laggy update, no support of Sony, no jelly bean update for Sony xperia u and poor service
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TRUE, I just hate that they didnot update it to JB when they could. They talked about the hardware support on NovaThor but I guess they could have ported JB easily on all devices which were only few months old.
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Who the heck cares! THIS IS XDA. Flash custom roms, kernels, scripts, etc everyday and feel the performace. Like other companies provide better support for their budget phones...
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I agree. Xda is amazing. Really I have found so many helpful developers who are working on it without really getting paid. You should always be thankful to developers and those who are helping you out. Trust me, I find almost everything here. I usually do not need to programme at all to do whatever I want to do with my device. Thanks Xda
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im currently using xperia sola for about a year. ive tried a couple other xperia phones '12 like u, p, s, j and sony didnt good that much of a work. this mid price range devices dont have great potential (using sony's stock os). that unfortunate thing is that if you want to make your devices OK you have to do lots of stuff(root unlock bl etc etc you get the idea). but most of the people dont know about xda-flashing rom etc.they just stay at gb or stock ics and complain,or choose to buy a more mainstream devices and this results to not jave that great potential from xperia mid price range device community.
Sorry for my bad english. :angel:
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To be honest really, the devices are monsters. Many of the apps that are written wouldnot work with your device in google play, I have managed to play them really smooth. However, I have noticed that some games/apps won't work on ICS latest build but run very smoothly on GB and Custom roms. I guess ICS was complete failure in terms of its potential.
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I would sell Xperia U because of inadequate RAM and unavailability of separate recovery partition.
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Well, ram is an issue. If Xperia U had 1 Gb ram and Sd card, this device would be epic but manufacturers always keep something to themselves so a person changes his phone often and they get more profit
GojiTronix said:
I'd be lucky to get anything for an Xperia P, after having this device a year I hate it, looking forward to a new phone at the end of this month, probably won't be a Sony due to my Xperia p experience
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I agree, I am also thinking of not going for Sony for atleast next 3 to 5 years looking at my experience. I prefer Nexus more with more freedom. HTC on the other hand is more complicated to unlock, Root, Get S off etc before you can flash roms. Plus, it is a pain to flash official Stock Rom for HTC which was much easier with Sony. So for the moment, these both companies are out of my league!
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I am so regretful for having sold my xperia active. Now I have an Xperia Go, is not as powerful as I wish but it is ok. I change my rom once in a while and I am so happy with it.
I was so scared to unlock the bootloader of my X.Active and never did. I guess if I had, I still would have my old phone and never bought another one. Bricking and unbricking your phone and change roms from XDA devs is so funny that you will forget about all the new phones coming out every day.
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I remember rooting and unlocking my first device. I was scared and only think I had in my mind were thoughts of it getting bricked, damaged, burnt, short circuited and what not. Tell you from experience, for all the years I am doing it, I had so many bricks and every device came back to life in the end. However, I am yet to see a hardware issue!
Yeah definitely thinking of an android vanilla device, HTC comes with way to much crap and is not fun to root.
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i would sell my Xperia Device in order to buy an other one! :good:
Would sell my Xperia sola soon and buy Xperia SP...
Also planning to get Xperia SP and sell of my pee only because of ST Ericsson Chipset and a big size screen..
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To be honest really, the devices are monsters. Many of the apps that are written wouldnot work with your device in google play, I have managed to play them really smooth. However, I have noticed that some games/apps won't work on ICS latest build but run very smoothly on GB and Custom roms. I guess ICS was complete failure in terms of its potential.
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well i think that everyone would get a better devices for a little small amount of money.for instance i bought sola for 280 euros and that price was the same month that it came on market.now xperia sola cost 160-180 tops and with 300 euros now i would get htc dezire x. which is a pretty good phone.my point is that sony is awful and maybe ill never get a sony phone again:angel:
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well i think that everyone would get a better devices for a little small amount of money.for instance i bought sola for 280 euros and that price was the same month that it came on market.now xperia sola cost 160-180 tops and with 300 euros now i would get htc dezire x. which is a pretty good phone.my point is that sony is awful and maybe ill never get a sony phone again:angel:
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Well, if you wait a bit more and you will get nexus 4 for around 320 Euros or less or maybe even Galaxy S3.
It is always like that. Once the technology gets older, its price drops really quickly. Just think how much Nokia E72 costs now ?
when my dad contracts end or mine i will get his s4
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Well, if you wait a bit more and you will get nexus 4 for around 320 Euros or less or maybe even Galaxy S3.
It is always like that. Once the technology gets older, its price drops really quickly. Just think how much Nokia E72 costs now ?
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nexus 4 already is 320 euros.my point is that if u wait a little bit longer and still use an old device you can get a better one.and also you may get caught like me and think that the device you pick was the best casue.companies first release mid range devices and not the biggest ones..and i was a fool to believe that sola, u, p with the exeption of acro s that they where good...
you forgot to write down sola ?
To less RAM
I would sell it because the Sola has to less Ram for smooth using, and the Display is to small for me :/