I'm guessing it has something to do with them wanting to push the HTC phablet or having some sort of deal with HTC.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/6/3...s-invite-us-to-see-their-latest-collaboration
I think they want to release both phones at the same time. This is out of no where, but..... here's their motto for Christmas... "Large and in charge.."
Am I right?
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I'm guessing it has something to do with them wanting to push the HTC phablet or having some sort of deal with HTC.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/6/3...s-invite-us-to-see-their-latest-collaboration
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This could be true.
Speculation:
It seems that Verizon is punishing Samsung (and us) for not letting them have their way with the GSIII. In attempt to appease the people that really wanted the Note 2, Verizon threw us a bone by giving us the pre-order. While that is going on, Verizon stalled to let the DNA run through the FCC and get a little exclusive time on the shelves. This pushes average Joe to purchase the only [good] phablet on Verizon at the moment. After the DNA's exclusivity, then they will let Samsung sell its phone.
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I am assuming the DNA does actually get on the shelf before the GN2.
Yeah, a lot of assumptions. Also, keep in mind Verizon really loves crapping on HTC way more than on Samsung, so there's that.
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Yeah, a lot of assumptions. Also, keep in mind Verizon really loves crapping on HTC way more than on Samsung, so there's that.
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Curiosity, was there something in specific you were thinking of?
I honestly thing that Verizon dislikes(?) all manufacturers equally. I just believe that HTC is not in a position to resist the demands of Verizon. Look at HTC's earnings and tell me that they can afford to not bow down to the carriers demands. If it turns out there was a deal to shelf the GN2 until after the DNA, then it looks to me like Verizon is punishing Samsung and giving HTC a treat for being a good little doggy.
I saw this on Droid life, too
I also find it funny that this phone only has on VZW logo on it on the front, and not on the back. I guess they only brand the crap out of stuff that is available on all carriers, which does make sense from a deluded, out-of-touch, business marketing stand point.
Still though, I hate the fact that they are obviously trying to push their 'exclusive' device, mostly because of even money invested or because of a higher profitability making everyone else suffer.
They also have multiwindow ROM that should be released soon - making the wait for VZW seem even more ridiculous. Locked bootloader, branded home button, and a release date of almost 1 month later than the last company to release the phone.
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Curiosity, was there something in specific you were thinking of?
I honestly thing that Verizon dislikes(?) all manufacturers equally. I just believe that HTC is not in a position to resist the demands of Verizon. Look at HTC's earnings and tell me that they can afford to not bow down to the carriers demands. If it turns out there was a deal to shelf the GN2 until after the DNA, then it looks to me like Verizon is punishing Samsung and giving HTC a treat for being a good little doggy.
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Just felt that way traditionally, and probably as you said is mostly due to HTC's inability to really resist their demands. Was disappointed this year when HTC tried to simplify their lineup and got forced to make more carrier branded devices for Verizon. Mostly my feeling that HTC gets pushed around by Verizon too much goes back to wanting a Nexus One back in the day, and having it get delayed on Verizon then never released with HTC getting forced to retool it as the Incredible instead.
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Just felt that way traditionally, and probably as you said is mostly due to HTC's inability to really resist their demands. Was disappointed this year when HTC tried to simplify their lineup and got forced to make more carrier branded devices for Verizon. Mostly my feeling that HTC gets pushed around by Verizon too much goes back to wanting a Nexus One back in the day, and having it get delayed on Verizon then never released with HTC getting forced to retool it as the Incredible instead.
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So that is what happened to Verizon's Nexus... I would also like to point out that even Sprint even made HTC brand their One X as the Evo LTE. Personally I wish carriers would but out on the phone marketing and spend the money on beefing the networks. Or, get this, stop charging us an arm and a leg. Anyway, if Verizon choose to hold back the GN2, then I stand by my speculations.
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This could be true.
Speculation:
It seems that Verizon is punishing Samsung (and us) for not letting them have their way with the GSIII. In attempt to appease the people that really wanted the Note 2, Verizon threw us a bone by giving us the pre-order. While that is going on, Verizon stalled to let the DNA run through the FCC and get a little exclusive time on the shelves. This pushes average Joe to purchase the only [good] phablet on Verizon at the moment. After the DNA's exclusivity, then they will let Samsung sell its phone.
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I don't think Verizon is "punishing" Samsung for anything. There's a far more obvious, and business-oriented answer. When it comes to Android devices, Verizon likes to advertise their Droid line over non-Droid branded devices. With the Note 2, like the Galaxy S III, the device isn't a part of the Droid line, and more importantly it's not a Verizon exclusive. The Note 2, like the S III, is available (or will be available) on all major U.S. carriers. Verizon would rather market exclusive devices, because by marketing those, they're also marketing the fact that you have to be a Verizon customer. The same doesn't hold true if they heavily advertise or put a lot of emphasis behind devices that are available on every carrier.
So, is Verizon holding back the Note 2's release because of the DNA? That's very likely a part of it. But it's not because they're trying to punish anyone. They want to give their exclusive devices most of the exposure, along with a head start, because if someone wants of those, they have to be on Verizon. It just makes more business sense to put an emphasis on exclusive devices when it comes to marketing and release, especially when Samsung is already doing more marketing for the Note 2 than Verizon does for pretty much any device (as they also did with the S III).
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I don't think Verizon is "punishing" Samsung for anything. There's a far more obvious, and business-oriented answer. When it comes to Android devices, Verizon likes to advertise their Droid line over non-Droid branded devices. With the Note 2, like the Galaxy S III, the device isn't a part of the Droid line, and more importantly it's not a Verizon exclusive. Most importantly, the Note 2, like the S III, is available (or will be available) on all major U.S. carriers. Verizon would rather market exclusive devices, because by marketing those, they're also marketing the fact that you have to be a Verizon customer. The same doesn't hold true if they heavily advertise or put a lot of emphasis behind devices that are available on every carrier.
So, is Verizon holding back the Note 2's release because of the DNA? That's very likely a part of it. But it's not because they're trying to punish anyone. They want to give their exclusive devices most of the exposure, along with a head start, because if someone wants of those, they have to be on Verizon. It just makes more business sense to put an emphasis on exclusive devices when it comes to marketing and release, especially when Samsung is already doing more marketing for the Note 2 than Verizon does for pretty much any device (as they also did with the S III).
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Seems logical as since it is a 'exclusive' device I'm guessing they pay some sort of premium too, so my bet is they try harder to make sure these devices are profitable.
My guess is VZW is holding back Note2 for two reasons, the home button and the DNA. It seems like there has been a low stock in regards to the note 2, so I'm wondering if that was an issue with the delay too.
Anyways, this marketing approach sucks for us, as this type of marketing works on on consumers who really have no interest in a specific device. Those who know exactly what they want, are likely not to sway, mostly all of us on this board.
I also think that the commercials for the Note II are targeting the wrong demographic as well. Should be more of a high-end device that can be used for every day calendar things showing off the S pen. Basically it has a kid drawing on the damn phone. I know that is ATT/Samsung, but still. I wonder how VZW commercials will be.
I'm still praying the device will ship early, but I really doubt it. I was reading old posts and a few people were claiming after thanksgiving, maybe a week after... from an "insider." way before oct. 24th.
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I don't think Verizon is "punishing" Samsung for anything. There's a far more obvious, and business-oriented answer. When it comes to Android devices, Verizon likes to advertise their Droid line over non-Droid branded devices. With the Note 2, like the Galaxy S III, the device isn't a part of the Droid line, and more importantly it's not a Verizon exclusive. Most importantly, the Note 2, like the S III, is available (or will be available) on all major U.S. carriers. Verizon would rather market exclusive devices, because by marketing those, they're also marketing the fact that you have to be a Verizon customer. The same doesn't hold true if they heavily advertise or put a lot of emphasis behind devices that are available on every carrier.
So, is Verizon holding back the Note 2's release because of the DNA? That's very likely a part of it. But it's not because they're trying to punish anyone. They want to give their exclusive devices most of the exposure, along with a head start, because if someone wants of those, they have to be on Verizon. It just makes more business sense to put an emphasis on exclusive devices when it comes to marketing and release, especially when Samsung is already doing more marketing for the Note 2 than Verizon does for pretty much any device (as they also did with the S III).
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Your right, it is good business sense for Verizon to push their advertised Droids. I am not drawing my conclusions on Samsung being punished from this one incident. I believe this was Verizon's move in a power war between carriers and manufacturers. Like you said, the Droids are Verizon exclusives. Samsung started to build their brand with the Galaxy line and Verizon does not need competition to their exclusive. Since Verizon was not able to twist the widely popular GSIII to their liking, they choose to send Samsung a message through a popular but not "make you or break you" phone.
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Seems logical as since it is a 'exclusive' device I'm guessing they pay some sort of premium too, so my bet is they try harder to make sure these devices are profitable.
My guess is VZW is holding back Note2 for two reasons, the home button and the DNA. It seems like there has been a low stock in regards to the note 2, so I'm wondering if that was an issue with the delay too.
Anyways, this marketing approach sucks for us, as this type of marketing works on on consumers who really have no interest in a specific device. Those who know exactly what they want, are likely not to sway, mostly all of us on this board.
I also think that the commercials for the Note II are targeting the wrong demographic as well. Should be more of a high-end device that can be used for every day calendar things showing off the S pen. Basically it has a kid drawing on the damn phone. I know that is ATT/Samsung, but still. I wonder how VZW commercials will be.
I'm still praying the device will ship early, but I really doubt it. I was reading old posts and a few people were claiming after thanksgiving, maybe a week after... from an "insider." way before oct. 24th.
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I actually know plenty of people at my old job who let their kids draw on the device to keep them occupied. While I don't know which demographic would generate higher sales, I can say that their target exists.
Hopefully the whole exclusive devices idea will go the way of the dinosaur soon enough. I'm glad Samsung got their foot in the door this year on that one and hopefully it expands to other manufacturers. They're really only hurting themselves by raising costs, delaying releases, not carrying wanted devices...ah well.
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Your right, it is good business sense for Verizon to push their advertised Droids. I am not drawing my conclusions on Samsung being punished from this one incident. I believe this was Verizon's move in a power war between carriers and manufacturers. Like you said, the Droids are Verizon exclusives. Samsung started to build their brand with the Galaxy line and Verizon does not need competition to their exclusive. Since Verizon was not able to twist the widely popular GSIII to their liking, they choose to send Samsung a message through a popular but not "make you or break you" phone.
I actually know plenty of people at my old job who let their kids draw on the device to keep them occupied. While I don't know which demographic would generate higher sales, I can say that their target exists.
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Meh, it was more of a hit against getting an A-list celebrity to endorse the phone rather than show off the features of the phone. From the commercial all you really get is you can draw on pictures (who knows if this is an app or built-in? <-- saying from a potential viewer who has NO idea what the Note 2 is), it has a stylus, you can watch videos on it, and take phone calls. I really thought nothing of the Note 2 until I saw the review on youtube and features like multiwindow, etc. I think Samsung did great with the S3 commercials in comparison, that really took a hit at Apple and spouted off their features such as s-beam. I don't think you need A-list celebrities for these phones, rather just show off the features and why they are superior to other phones on the market, such as iP5. Like I said, I just think it shows how off marketing companies can be sometimes.
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Meh, it was more of a hit against getting an A-list celebrity to endorse the phone rather than show off the features of the phone. From the commercial all you really get is you can draw on pictures (who knows if this is an app or built-in? <-- saying from a potential viewer who has NO idea what the Note 2 is), it has a stylus, you can watch videos on it, and take phone calls. I really thought nothing of the Note 2 until I saw the review on youtube and features like multiwindow, etc. I think Samsung did great with the S3 commercials in comparison, that really took a hit at Apple and spouted off their features such as s-beam. I don't think you need A-list celebrities for these phones, rather just show off the features and why they are superior to other phones on the market, such as iP5. Like I said, I just think it shows how off marketing companies can be sometimes.
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Ah, gotcha. I do know that the SIII commercials worked because I heard people actually talk about them. Which I can't say that about Apple.
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Ah, gotcha. I do know that the SIII commercials worked because I heard people actually talk about them. Which I can't say that about Apple.
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Yeah, they should advertise how the phone won't dim when you are looking at it, and stuff like that. I got sold on the features... or the fact that is quite literally the fastest phone on the market with a huge battery. Maybe this type of marketing will work on a few people, but I think people are into this phone are going to buy it for the features and not because LeBron has the phone. This isn't a "cutesy" phone that someone like Justin Bieber will use and all the teens will buy because of that,
Maybe when I get mine, I'll be able to slam dunk like LeBron or make a video of me doing it. Computer generated of course.
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Maybe when I get mine, I'll be able to slam dunk like LeBron or make a video of me doing it. Computer generated of course.
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That is my bet why we had to wait so long. All people who buy this phone will be able to dunk like LeBron.
It would be amazing if the DNA came out before the Note 2, lol
I wonder if the note2 verizon brand can be scraped off with a razer blade. I'm sure gonna try
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I wonder if the note2 verizon brand can be scraped off with a razer blade. I'm sure gonna try
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Depending on how the logos are printed on the device, you might be able to use a pasty sugar water mix to gently remove the logos. The thought of using a razor blade on plastic kind of scares me.
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So it looks like 1/11/11 @ 11:11 the Verizon iPhone will come.
Who is jumping ship?
I am about 90% sure I will be, what do I need to do to wipe my phone of root and all of my data?
Thanks,
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Not me. F THE IPHONES
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Thanks for the post!
dont know if/when its coming to verizon is true and dont care. With root access, the rate of android development and the amount of devices to choose from I have no desire to leave android. Much more likely to leave verizon than android lol. I mean really I dont understand why anyone who wants an iphone doesn't just use AT&T and have one.
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I mean really I dont understand why anyone who wants an iphone doesn't just use AT&T and have one.
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I don't get a signal from at&t at home, so that's why I stayed with Verizon Wireless and changed from (crappy) WM to Android.
I'm glad that VZW is getting the iPhone - more competition is always good for everybody, and they are damned good smartphones. I'm a bit tempted, but I've grown fond of Android, I've used Gmail and Google Calendar for a long time, I vastly prefer Android's notifications to iOS's, and I have a Touch 4G anyway, so I can get anything I need from iOS with that.
My new every 2 comes in August, and by then there will be a new iPhone, and likely new Android phones as well. So long as my Eris lasts that long, I'm thinking that waiting until after the iPhone 5G comes out is the smartest thing for me (whether I choose that or Android) in the long run.
Good post, thanks!
I know I personally am tempted to use the iPhone only because it's still so absolutely supported. When a company says "we've gone mobile" they usually mean they have an iPhone app... and if I'm lucky I'll get an android app a month or more later.
This can be seen with netflix. I love the idea of netflix on a phone, but android doesn't have it. Why? Simply because netflix hasn't gotten around to it.
When you're on the iPhone you have the satisfaction of knowing that you're a "priority customer" for companies.
The fact is I still won't go with the iPhone because I enjoy the Android OS far too much. I personally think it is flawed to the core in some areas, but then again so is iOS so I'm not complaining.
I'll be jumping ship to the iPhone. Don't get me wrong... I love my Eris and it's been good to me, especially with the good community here at XDA.
I've always wanted an iPhone and it'll go good with my iPad! Can't wait for it on VZW!
I plan on ditching my Eris here soon hopefully, but it will not be for an iPhone. I have bought into the Android ecosystem with apps for my phone, and my tablet. I'm however very interested in the Droid Bionic that was announced at CES.
Hungry Man said:
I know I personally am tempted to use the iPhone only because it's still so absolutely supported. When a company says "we've gone mobile" they usually mean they have an iPhone app... and if I'm lucky I'll get an android app a month or more later.
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My #1 reason for jumping ship...
I am tired of my sister, brother, brother-in-law coming to me and saying hey check out this cool new app/game.....do you have it on Android yet?
Me: No.... and they don't mention any development for Android on their site.
i think that the android community as a whole is going to suffer greatly from the arrival of iphone. the vast majority of android users dont root their phones, and have not been able to utilize android in the same way that we have. the ones that purchased their android when it first came to verizon and didnt root, are stuck with an unsupported phone. iphone is really appealing to the average user. i see many people ditching google to go with apple.
i dont plan on changing any time soon to the iphone simply because it will not be 4G, doesnt have the customization aspects that android does with root and whatnot, and in june they will have the iphone 5 coming out. its a little suspect that verizon is coming out with the iphone 4, 6 months before the new iphone is slated to come out. i see a lot of hardware/software issues arising due to the fact verizon is trying to push this out as fast as they can to cash in on the people that buy it mid contract. it also helps that they are changing their upgrade policies right before this phone comes out to try to entice people to upgrade now
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This may be a bit off topic, but I'm really dissapointed in the direction verizon is going as far as the upgrade/NE2 goes. Honestly I'm going to be changing carriers next year when my contract is up. I just hope other carriers don't follow big reds direction.
Also, I'm not looking forward to 4g. They are going to charge out the butt for it and cap data usage. Doesn't sound fun to me... of course I'm sure most if not all carriers are going to do the same
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orkillakilla said:
This may be a bit off topic, but I'm really dissapointed in the direction verizon is going as far as the upgrade/NE2 goes. Honestly I'm going to be changing carriers next year when my contract is up. I just hope other carriers don't follow big reds direction.
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Forget Sprint and T-Mobile - they are smaller, so will always be more aggressive. Does AT&T do anything like this? I remember last year when the iPhone 4 came out they made a big deal about the fact that anybody whose contract was due in 2010 was eligible for an early upgrade to the 4, but that was only the iPhone 4 and was, at best, 6 months early. Verizon sets theirs at 2 months early for one year contracts and 4 months early for two year contracts for everybody with this (rumored) policy change.
Honestly, I don't know what AT&T does, but I thought that Verizon was always better about this?
Also, I'm not looking forward to 4g. They are going to charge out the butt for it and cap data usage. Doesn't sound fun to me... of course I'm sure most if not all carriers are going to do the same
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Evidence? At this point it's just a guess. If we base our guess on the data plans for modems, you may be surprised. In the past, 3G modems were capped at 5 GB and priced $60 per month (while smartphone data plans were unlimited and priced at $30 a month). 4G data plans for modems are $50 a month for 5 GB and $80 a month for 10 GB. I'm not sure that I would call that "charging out the butt".
We do know what Sprint does for 4G smartphones - they do not cap and surcharge $10 more per month, right? It seems reasonable that VZW will do something similar, or at least not out of that neighborhood.
I for one will be getting one as soon as they're available. Why? Well, I have three lines and the third is up for upgrade at any time. My primary line is up for upgrade in October this year so if I don't like the iPhone I can always go back to Android.
Another reason is that it's a damn sexy phone, no matter what people may say about it.
Eventually they'll have Android running on the iPhone 4, (it's already sort of working on the 3GS) so I could always have the looks and the OS that I've grown to like. I won't switch to AT&T simply for the reason that I get a 20% business discount on Verizon and I've been with Verizon since before the iPhone was introduced. I've waited this long for it, I've been wanting one since it came out, so I'll at least have to buy one to see how it compares to my Eris. (And Android in general) I have an iPod Touch so I'm familiar with iOS, so I'm not too worried about that.
Besides, everything else in the house is Apple, might as well have the dang phone too!
Didnt read through all posts, but iPhone 4 comes to Verizon 02/11/11 @ 12:00am. IPhone 5 is rumored to arrive at Verizon in July, with a new body and possibly LTE. But as stated, it is rumored. I'm adding s line to have both android and apple OS.
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Im an Android fanboy, nope.
I (thought) I'd be ready to jump to iphone first chance but now that I can I'm having second thoughts. My rooted eris is so great. I might just stick with HTC/Droid and go for the incredible HD. I'm itching for something but at the same time I'm very happy with what I have.
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i wouldnt buy iphoney lol ,,,,, first flaw ,,, whos bright idea was it not to have a door for the battery? lol im not gunna send my phone out and wait a few dayz to get it back because the battery died lol two hate the look of it ,,,,and i love the freedom of android
Since i have recently ditched all my Apple stuff, know way. I'm thinking Droid Bionic, unless HTC breaks out a dual-core with 1 gb of ram... I'm counting the days until my July upgrade date!
I'm not jumping because I personally think that Android in a few years will kill the iPhone, iPhone's been around a while and you know how things go... electronics last 5-6 years (estimate), then die out completely to a competitor. So, iPhone has had it's time, and Android is going to overtake Apple. Second of all, it's GOOGLE GODDAMNIT!
P.S. There's 26 Letters in the Alphabet, we're only on 6.
and i have to say that it actually wasnt half bad.
one thing that i was kinda hoping not to be true was to feel the lesser speed which i did feel.
the LTE does seem promising. i got a full signal and i can't say that it was "blazing" fast on at&t's LTE, but it was great.
i could only imagine if it were an exynos chip how much more great it would be.
also, the vivid is a great phone for the cost. smooth, fast, and great in your hands.
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and i have to say that it actually wasnt half bad.
one thing that i was kinda hoping not to be true was to feel the lesser speed which i did feel.
the LTE does seem promising. i got a full signal and i can't say that it was "blazing" fast on at&t's LTE, but it was great.
i could only imagine if it were an exynos chip how much more great it would be.
also, the vivid is a great phone for the cost. smooth, fast, and great in your hands.
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So u felt a lag?
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So u felt a lag?
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yeah i did, but not much. i don't want ppl on here to go crazy denial on me like they did on my other post. lol
but i did feel it. but then again, i had my SGS2 oc'd to 1.5ghz. so it blew it away.
but at 1.2ghz, it was nearly the same. OG SGS2 a "little" faster.
but i was impressed. even though it has the same res as the SGS2, the screen wasn't horrible. put it like this: if you live in an LTE market and DONT have an OG SGS2 already, i'd get it. honestly.
plus, at&t is going to stop selling the OG SGS2 after nov. 6th.
but that's only at actual at&t stores, idk about like best buy, radioshack etc.
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plus, at&t is going to stop selling the OG SGS2 after nov. 6th.
but that's only at actual at&t stores, idk about like best buy, radioshack etc.
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Even in non-LTE markets? That seems doubtful to kill your flagship after a month. They still sell terrible phones, why stop selling the arguable best phone you offer?
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plus, at&t is going to stop selling the OG SGS2 after nov. 6th.
but that's only at actual at&t stores, idk about like best buy, radioshack etc.
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What is "OG" sgs2? Original?
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yeah OG is the original.
and dude idk!
i have no idea why they are going to stop selling it. it's messed up and we were all shocked about it.
they're even going to stop selling the atrix 2(which isn't great) but you get me?
i think it could only be in LTE markets, but still, it's the best phone we offer.
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plus, at&t is going to stop selling the OG SGS2 after nov. 6th.
but that's only at actual at&t stores, idk about like best buy, radioshack etc.
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whoa lol i work for best buy mobile and we haven't heard that yet if thats true damn haha can't wait to get my skyrocket
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yeah man it's wack.
but that's what it is.
i was totally dissapointed.
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plus, at&t is going to stop selling the OG SGS2 after nov. 6th.
but that's only at actual at&t stores, idk about like best buy, radioshack etc.
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Do you guys literally just make this stuff up? The company I work for pays about $1.5MM a year to AT&T and our corporate rep happened to be in today. We talked about LTE strategy, devices, and the merger. The strategy all along was to offer both phones as they appeal to different audiences. The ASGS2 actually has more features for corporate use (lock down) and is selling and expected to continue to sell well. They've offered aggressive corporate pricing since it launced and consider it a cornerstone phone for the corporate market.
Do you know how much it costs to launch a phone marketing wise, train staff to support it, and provide h/w service and replacements for two years after it's launched? It isn't like the Skyrocket snuck up on AT&T after they launched the ASGS2. If they didn't intend to sell both they never would have launched the ASGS2. So unless you know something that a major account rep doesn't it's hard to take what you said seriously.
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yeah man it's wack.
but that's what it is.
i was totally dissapointed.
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Does the lte sgs2 have an fm radio?
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Do you guys literally just make this stuff up? The company I work for pays about $1.5MM a year to AT&T and our corporate rep happened to be in today. We talked about LTE strategy, devices, and the merger. The strategy all along was to offer both phones as they appeal to different audiences. The ASGS2 actually has more features for corporate use (lock down) and is selling and expected to continue to sell well. They've offered aggressive corporate pricing since it launced and consider it a cornerstone phone for the corporate market.
Do you know how much it costs to launch a phone marketing wise, train staff to support it, and provide h/w service and replacements for two years after it's launched? It isn't like the Skyrocket snuck up on AT&T after they launched the ASGS2. If they didn't intend to sell both they never would have launched the ASGS2. So unless you know something that a major account rep doesn't it's hard to take what you said seriously.
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This.
Also, anyone who knows anything about marketing or brand management would know that to axe the ASGS2 after barely a month would be near-suicidal. Especially when the ASGS2 was touted as the rival to iPhone 4/4S and AT&T has been doing everything it can to wean itself off that dependency especially now that it's available on other carriers.
So far we've had... a dark horse who won't even identify himself, and a 3rd party retail-level employee do nothing but speculate.
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Do you guys literally just make this stuff up? The company I work for pays about $1.5MM a year to AT&T and our corporate rep happened to be in today. We talked about LTE strategy, devices, and the merger. The strategy all along was to offer both phones as they appeal to different audiences. The ASGS2 actually has more features for corporate use (lock down) and is selling and expected to continue to sell well. They've offered aggressive corporate pricing since it launced and consider it a cornerstone phone for the corporate market.
Do you know how much it costs to launch a phone marketing wise, train staff to support it, and provide h/w service and replacements for two years after it's launched? It isn't like the Skyrocket snuck up on AT&T after they launched the ASGS2. If they didn't intend to sell both they never would have launched the ASGS2. So unless you know something that a major account rep doesn't it's hard to take what you said seriously.
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Hey smartass, yeah you. Ill have documentation for you tmrw. They're gonna stop selling those phones in Houston for sure to advertise the LTE market. There's making.g things up here Guy. But its okay, one day you'll come to reality instead of a
Jake niece business Rep.
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This.
Also, anyone who knows anything about marketing or brand management would know that to axe the ASGS2 after barely a month would be near-suicidal. Especially when the ASGS2 was touted as the rival to iPhone 4/4S and AT&T has been doing everything it can to wean itself off that dependency especially now that it's available on other carriers.
So far we've had... a dark horse who won't even identify himself, and a 3rd party retail-level employee do nothing but speculate.
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Lol and yet here is another one who follows in footsteps of true specation. Do you really this.k I'd take the time to really make up the fact that they aren't selling the phones anymore here? If you haven't noticed, at&t's pride is much more on the LTE market rather than the a rial phone. But okay, you're right. I told you guys abput the skyrocket being a wack snapdragon, and ill tell you.again.about this.
All I wanted to do by getting.on.this forum is to become an android fan even more, and help inform you guys a bit more. But maybe.I was wrong and you all know things I.don't eh?
So much for the xda "noob" video explaining how rudeness and all that other junk.ain't allowed.
How bout this, stick.to my posts, and I guarantee that I will provide you.all with every at&t phone.spec for the new future there is. Lol
Honestly.
All I wanna say is, don't doubt, or actually, don't denounce my intelligence until I have provided you all with false information.
Thanks.
** and for the Guy up there, there's no FM RADIO-STOCK.
like I said, STOCK, there is no radio.
Just wanna be clear and correct for the make-believers.
They don't sell the OG S2 in California corporate stores, but I don't know if the Skyrocket is the reason.
No its not. Corporate stores will only order them for you. But starting this wknd even that is going to be to an end. :/
It already sucked that they never sold em in stores. Well, corporate stores. Lol.
I've learned to be very clear around here.
Maybe they're just taking their original SGS2's and replacing them with their new LTE chip, so that way, they're not necessarily restocking or anything...
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Hey smartass, yeah you. Ill have documentation for you tmrw. They're gonna stop selling those phones in Houston for sure to advertise the LTE market. There's making.g things up here Guy. But its okay, one day you'll come to reality instead of a
Jake niece business Rep.
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I'd like to see this documentation.
pguillory08 said:
Lol and yet here is another one who follows in footsteps of true specation. Do you really this.k I'd take the time to really make up the fact that they aren't selling the phones anymore here? If you haven't noticed, at&t's pride is much more on the LTE market rather than the a rial phone. But okay, you're right. I told you guys abput the skyrocket being a wack snapdragon, and ill tell you.again.about this.
All I wanted to do by getting.on.this forum is to become an android fan even more, and help inform you guys a bit more. But maybe.I was wrong and you all know things I.don't eh?
So much for the xda "noob" video explaining how rudeness and all that other junk.ain't allowed.
How bout this, stick.to my posts, and I guarantee that I will provide you.all with every at&t phone.spec for the new future there is. Lol
Honestly.
All I wanna say is, don't doubt, or actually, don't denounce my intelligence until I have provided you all with false information.
Thanks.
** and for the Guy up there, there's no FM RADIO-STOCK.
like I said, STOCK, there is no radio.
Just wanna be clear and correct for the make-believers.
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Dude, you haven't given proof of -anything- you've said over the past day or two. Nothing. No pictures of the new phone, no docs suggesting they're even thinking of completely removing the i777 from the market. How the hell can you even think that they would completely remove one of the -best- phones on the market?
As far as I, and many others can tell, you're just speculating on what will happen. There is no way you can know these things if you're a normal ATT employee. If every normal level employee knew this, there would have been massive leaks of this info as soon as they found out. And I -highly- doubt you're some top-level employee by the way you write and the way you're addressing everyone else.
There isn't even any documentation that you even work for ATT, I even find that hard to believe.
BarryH_GEG said:
Do you guys literally just make this stuff up? The company I work for pays about $1.5MM a year to AT&T and our corporate rep happened to be in today. We talked about LTE strategy, devices, and the merger. The strategy all along was to offer both phones as they appeal to different audiences. The ASGS2 actually has more features for corporate use (lock down) and is selling and expected to continue to sell well. They've offered aggressive corporate pricing since it launced and consider it a cornerstone phone for the corporate market.
Do you know how much it costs to launch a phone marketing wise, train staff to support it, and provide h/w service and replacements for two years after it's launched? It isn't like the Skyrocket snuck up on AT&T after they launched the ASGS2. If they didn't intend to sell both they never would have launched the ASGS2. So unless you know something that a major account rep doesn't it's hard to take what you said seriously.
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I can confirm this as well. My rep told me the same thing, the SGS2 is selling very well for AT&T and there are no plans to stop selling it.
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Hey smartass, yeah you. Ill have documentation for you tmrw. They're gonna stop selling those phones in Houston for sure to advertise the LTE market. There's making.g things up here Guy. But its okay, one day you'll come to reality instead of a
Jake niece business Rep.
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I'd love to see this proof you speak of.
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Lol and yet here is another one who follows in footsteps of true specation. Do you really this.k I'd take the time to really make up the fact that they aren't selling the phones anymore here?
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Yes, I do. Judging from your overly emotional response to posts that question the validity of your claims.
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If you haven't noticed, at&t's pride is much more on the LTE market rather than the a rial phone. But okay, you're right. I told you guys abput the skyrocket being a wack snapdragon, and ill tell you.again.about this.
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What does pride have to do with it? They will market LTE heavily in the areas that have, but they will not discontinue a phone that sells well to force people onto LTE. The store reps will BS the consumer into thinking the LTE phone is the greatest thing in the world.
Um... When did you tell us about the skyrocket being a "wack" snapdragon? Everyone correct me if I am wrong, but didn't information from sites/press release and the fact that the phone is out in Korea indicate the specs? Also let us not forget the fact that qualcomm will not or doesn't have to capability built in to offer an LTE solution that doesn't use their chips.
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Dude, you haven't given proof of -anything- you've said over the past day or two. Nothing. No pictures of the new phone, no docs suggesting they're even thinking of completely removing the i777 from the market. How the hell can you even think that they would completely remove one of the -best- phones on the market?
As far as I, and many others can tell, you're just speculating on what will happen. There is no way you can know these things if you're a normal ATT employee. If every normal level employee knew this, there would have been massive leaks of this info as soon as they found out. And I -highly- doubt you're some top-level employee by the way you write and the way you're addressing everyone else.
There isn't even any documentation that you even work for ATT, I even find that hard to believe.
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No, this is not another post asking about when the bootloader would be unlocked...I actually notice and use the search button.
I read everywhere that Motorola "can't afford to unlock the bootloader" b/c of their financial situation, since VZW demanded they keep it locked.
I read everywhere that Google is going to acquire Motorola.
So, if that happens, wouldn't that mean that Motorola would have the upper hand? Its not like VZW can afford to NOT carry Android phones, and it really wouldn't be a VZW vs Moto thing, it would be a VZW vs Google (if they acquire Moto).
I'm just trying to put 2 and 2 together...and this is my logical conclusion...but as always, I could be wrong...
But Google have stated they will keep Moto separate and regardless of that, VZW can quite easily afford not to carry Moto products but still carry other brands of Android phones that would be willing to lock down their bootloaders. At the end of the day, the carriers are the biggest customers of the hardware manufacturers and have plenty of clout as they are buying large volumes of popular phones which most people cannot afford to buy outright so get them subsidized through their contracts.
However if the next flagship Google device is top notch and produced by Moto, they may have some wiggle room if the other networks agree to carry it unlocked because it may convince customers to jump ship. However in the US the other networks may have to improve their networks first so they can offer as good coverage with 4G etc.
I thought of that, and it makes sense...I just felt like Moto should have made their move with the Razr, b/c no matter what anyone says, the Razr did pretty much out do the competition to the point where even customers with the Nexus were re-thinking their plan...plus with getting ICS, etc...I think Moto should have taken that stand with this phone, you throw in the Amazon black friday deals (which is how I got mine) and I'm sure thousands of VZW are now Razr owners...
seems like a tricky situation though...looks like both sides have a lot to lose...if VZW pissed Google off it would lose a lot if it didn't carry android anymore, and if Google pisses VZW off it would lose a lot by not being available on the most popular company in the country...I dunno...just random thoughts..
An entire unofficial release leaked out of Moto. Who knows what might "leak" out in the future?
larrygeary said:
An entire unofficial release leaked out of Moto. Who knows what might "leak" out in the future?
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What leaked?
Samsung isn't planning on releasing this phone on the big red until MAY30 WHICH is very close to June and isn't there going to be a couple phone in June around that same type with the new snapdragon 800 like that new moto phone coming out so I'm.curious wouldn't the new phone in June play the new gs4 obsolete ? Samsung gs4 release so late will make it its own demise ! why is Verizon releasing this phone so late i mean if there's a phone within the same month of the gs4 with twice the power then I won't consider the gs4 when I can wait just 2 weeks and buy somethin much more superior in hardware and stock android Samsung is about to lose a tons of money on Verizon if they wait all th way to may30 around the same month as sum very new phones with double the power .... Why didnt the gs4 release earlier ?? in may when moto announces there phone which will prob kill the gs4 in every way specs and software within 3week after the gs4 comes to store everyone will cancel there preorders and just wait and extra 3week to get the most powerful phone with a better screen n better snapdragon n prob more sensors and better battery and full stock android!
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gabrielpina4 said:
Samsung gs4 release so late will make it its own demise ! Why didnt the gs4 release earlier ??
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That doesn't make a lot of sense. People in the U.S. typically get new phones when they become eligible so there's a steady stream of people year round looking to buy new phones no matter when they are released. People buy what pleases them. The DNA tanked on VZW and there were no other phones released before it or after it that caused its failure. And it was powerful and had the world's first 1080P display. People are still buying SGS3's in large quantities and probably will after the SGS4's out because the price will be reduced. The SGS4 will be on the market as a "flagship" for 9-12 months and Samsung's planning on selling 10MM a month. HTC, Motorola, LG, and Sony all introduced phones that competed with the SGS3 and it certainly didn't affect Samsung's sales last year. So there's no reason to expect it to this year either. And the average consumer doesn't know (or care) what a Snapdragon, Exynos, or Octa is.
Plenty of hot new phones came out after the Galaxy S3's July release in the U.S. like the Razr Maxx HD, Nexus 4, etc. yet the GS3 outsold all of them by a huge margin. The average consumer doesn't buy phones based mainly on hardware specs.
Verizon is launching it on may 23rd, not may 30th. I went to Verizon yesterday and there was a Samsung rep there showing the employees the s4 and they said the official launch date is the 23rd. I know that's still three weeks later than the rest, but at least its a week earlier than may 30th. I gotta question, is verizons s4 going to be harder to unlock and root than the rest of them? I heard Verizon likes to lock them down, and I've never owned a smartphone I've been holding out for this one. I own a nexus 7 which is obviously the easiest to unlock and root. But i know the s4 is a huge release so I'm kinda assuming that there will be a solid method to root for Verizon. Am i right?
According to official PR from Samsung today, it will be on all major US carriers by the end of April. I'm guessing April 30th.
The Galaxy S 4 is optimized for powerful performance on the nation’s fastest networks and will be available on AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile and Verizon Wireless as well as U.S. Cellular, Cricket and C Spire starting during April. Additionally, consumers can find the Galaxy S 4 at Best Buy and Best Buy Mobile, Costco, Radio Shack, Sam’s Club, Staples, Target and Wal-Mart. Exact pricing and retail availability will be announced by each of the carriers and retailers in the coming weeks.
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http://www.samsung.com/us/news/20687
hurricane350 said:
According to official PR from Samsung today, it will be on all major US carriers by the end of April. I'm guessing April 30th.
http://www.samsung.com/us/news/20687
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Available to carriers and carriers making the phone available to consumers are two different things.
And for the OP... i am not sure how new phones will make the s4 obsolete? a cpu does not a phone make....
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Available to carriers and carriers making the phone available to consumers are two different things.
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But it says available on not to... I'm staying optimistic!
It also says "starting in april" that could mean that just one or a few carriers will roll it out in April.
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I.D.K. why the O.P. is saying that the galaxy s4 would be obsolete soon i mean come on the motorla x phone right now is just a nice looking rumor plus a processor in a phone doesn't make all that difference because maybe you saw last year's htc one X+ it smoked the galaxy but the battery was really bad plus i hardly ever think android needs more power right now they need to be more battery friendly and better screen really what do you want more than 441ppi ?? anyway looking at all those gs4 specs and concediring what happened with last year's gs3 i can tell you that the galaxy won't go down till the gs5 is out so don't worry if verizon goes a few weeks later than everyone else it will still sell like hot cakes.
I still have unlimited internet after 4/21 can I buy new galaxy s4 cell using the new 12 month payment plan that's effective on 4/21 without upgrading to the 200sub? Does anyone know I think everyone who still has unlimited internet should ask Verizon this.. I wanna get the new s4 but keep my unlimited internet so will this 12month thing work for me?
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I am going to tell you right now that Verizon's phones are the worst due to the spyware they bloat them up with. I hope they do as little to it as possible and there's no way verizon is going to pay for a S800 S4. They are cheap when it comes to there phones and replacing one that has gone bad is near impossible unless you take them to the FCC. If they ever touch my unlimited, I am gone with out a hint of doubt.
4ktvs said:
I am going to tell you right now that Verizon's phones are the worst due to the spyware they bloat them up with. I hope they do as little to it as possible and there's no way verizon is going to pay for a S800 S4. They are cheap when it comes to there phones and replacing one that has gone bad is near impossible unless you take them to the FCC. If they ever touch my unlimited, I am gone with out a hint of doubt.
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I actually find that replacing phones is very easy on verizon compared to sprint. I had sprint in the past and their customer service was atrocious. The Fascinate (Verizon Galaxy S) apparently had lots of problems, and they kept getting replaced until the Droid Charge came out, when Verizon just started giving out Charges to replace Fascinates.
The Charge had some problems too, and if you got enough bad ones from them, they even started handing out the Bionic, Rezound, and Razr too (phones that came out later with much higher specs). I even bricked my Charge and they just gave me a new one.
Verizon web page updated with Galaxy S4
Verizon web page updated today with Galaxy S4
The next big thing is coming.....late
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I'm in the HTC camp.....
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They had to post something. The basically are going to be releasing with the third world, lol. Its ALWAYS something with them. They did their best to wreck the galaxy nexus, they were in on the Carrier IQ scandal, they have to plaster their dated logo on everything, and they sell pretty much the most bloated phones in existence. Yes, they have a good network, but frankly, I live in DFW...all the carriers have good networks here. It's flat, populated and affluent.
I have an upgrade, but their delay conveniently puts me within a month of my contract ending. My wife gets a ~25% discount through work, but I can get 15% on T-Mobile, and with the massive price difference, it actually makes T-mobile a better deal. I may even pickup up a used N4, get the $30 walmart plan thing, and wait for the Note III.
I guess as someone that pays attention and is tired of getting screwed and treated like an idiot sheep, I am just not their target market.
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They had to post something. The basically are going to be releasing with the third world, lol. Its ALWAYS something with them. They did their best to wreck the galaxy nexus, they were in on the Carrier IQ scandal, they have to plaster their dated logo on everything, and they sell pretty much the most bloated phones in existence. Yes, they have a good network, but frankly, I live in DFW...all the carriers have good networks here. It's flat, populated and affluent.
I have an upgrade, but their delay conveniently puts me within a month of my contract ending. My wife gets a ~25% discount through work, but I can get 15% on T-Mobile, and with the massive price difference, it actually makes T-mobile a better deal. I may even pickup up a used N4, get the $30 walmart plan thing, and wait for the Note III.
I guess as someone that pays attention and is tired of getting screwed and treated like an idiot sheep, I am just not their target market.
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I don't know exactly which options you're choosing, but if you do the math I suspect you'll find that T-Mobile isn't the better deal. I've been doing research recently for an upgrade myself, and I found that corporate discounts actually significantly narrow the gap between T-Mobile and Verizon. Reason is because with T-Mobile ditching subsidies but lowering the monthly bill, the value of a discount on that smaller monthly bill is proportionately less. If you factor in the fact that a full price GS4 on T-Mobile is $630 vs $200 for Verizon, Verizon might actually come out ahead over the course of 2 years.
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I don't know exactly which options you're choosing, but if you do the math I suspect you'll find that T-Mobile isn't the better deal. I've been doing research recently for an upgrade myself, and I found that corporate discounts actually significantly narrow the gap between T-Mobile and Verizon. Reason is because with T-Mobile ditching subsidies but lowering the monthly bill, the value of a discount on that smaller monthly bill is proportionately less. If you factor in the fact that a full price GS4 on T-Mobile is $630 vs $200 for Verizon, Verizon might actually come out ahead over the course of 2 years.
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If he used like 1GB a month sure it would cost less, but Verizon's network has really gone down the drain in the bigger citys. May as well have sprint 3G at times it get's so bad. Now if you live in bum ville sure Verzion win's. But he live's in the city so data speeds will be better on T-moblie.
Also no unlimited data any more with verizon and those like me that still have it get throttled.
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I have an upgrade, but their delay conveniently puts me within a month of my contract ending.
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If you're considering using an upgrade, that means you don't have unlimited, in which case my question is... why bother with VZ?
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Also no unlimited data any more with verizon and those like me that still have it get throttled.
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It's not throttled. When the network isn't congested (as you say, places like NYC during the day are crap) I still get great speeds.
As the title stated I have a Note 3 that I "can" donate to Adam. Please in response to this thread do NOT make mention of $ donations, pay-pal, or your favorite pets piggy bank. Kush of any kind, side shooters and hashish are also not to be mentioned. With that being said I would like to donate (for a good cause) my Verizon Galaxy Note 3 to Outler. Also this phone is my daily driver but I have a galaxy note 2 that I could be using if it were no longer broken. It needs the complete screen assembly. So if someone happened to have extra parts laying around or knew of extremely cheap parts for sale, I could fix my note 2 and ship out my note 3 to a cool guy that does cool stuff with hardware on awesome phones. I live in the Dallas area.
I re read the XDA rules and this post does not appear to violate any of them, but I also understand that interpretation is 93% of any rule/law. I am however not asking for donations for any reason and I am NOT asking for money at all. Thank you and good day.
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As the title stated I have a Note 3 that I "can" donate to Adam. Please in response to this thread do NOT make mention of $ donations, pay-pal, or your favorite pets piggy bank. Kush of any kind, side shooters and hashish are also not to be mentioned. With that being said I would like to donate (for a good cause) my Verizon Galaxy Note 3 to Outler. Also this phone is my daily driver but I have a galaxy note 2 that I could be using if it were no longer broken. It needs the complete screen assembly. So if someone happened to have extra parts laying around or knew of extremely cheap parts for sale, I could fix my note 2 and ship out my note 3 to a cool guy that does cool stuff with hardware on awesome phones. I live in the Dallas area.
I re read the XDA rules and this post does not appear to violate any of them, but I also understand that interpretation is 93% of any rule/law. I am however not asking for donations for any reason and I am NOT asking for money at all. Thank you and good day.
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Not sure what's wrong with your note 2, but if its the digitizer sensor board ~$14
http://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-Digitiz...e_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item3cd73f961d
or the lens ~$13
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LCD-Touch-S...e_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item4174b88d2b
If its the LCD, then those are running like $140+
From your post sounds like all 3, but figured i'd drop those for reference.
Yeah it needs all three parts. :crying: thought it would be worth a shot though.
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Yeah it needs all three parts. :crying: thought it would be worth a shot though.
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I can get you in touch with adam
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I can get you in touch with adam
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While I do thank you for the kindness and gesture, I am able to get in touch with him. I may have to wait a week or two until I can get parts for my note 2, but the moment my note 2 is operational I will FedEx the Note 3 overnight to him. The note 3 was free to me so I'm not at a loss in re-gifting it. I will upgrade my other line in due time to another 3 when and if the boot loader is unlocked or a custom recovery/kernel is flashable.
Like I said before, if you have a Note 2 laying around or parts to fix mine, I am not against paying for the parts but I don't have much money..... (3 kids @ Baylor are keeping me at the poverty line) literally.
Correct me if im wrong but don't ERD's get devices to develop for anyways?
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Thank you so much, you are a hero. Let's hope for the best
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While I do thank you for the kindness and gesture, I am able to get in touch with him. I may have to wait a week or two until I can get parts for my note 2, but the moment my note 2 is operational I will FedEx the Note 3 overnight to him. The note 3 was free to me so I'm not at a loss in re-gifting it. I will upgrade my other line in due time to another 3 when and if the boot loader is unlocked or a custom recovery/kernel is flashable.
Like I said before, if you have a Note 2 laying around or parts to fix mine, I am not against paying for the parts but I don't have much money..... (3 kids @ Baylor are keeping me at the poverty line) literally.
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Thanks for sacrificing for us. It seems like it takes teamwork like this to make a bootloader unlock happen, although this is my first experience with a locked bootloader
Surge1223 said:
Correct me if im wrong but don't ERD's get devices to develop for anyways?
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Adam isnt an ERD, but yes ERDs (SRDs now) do get devices.
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Adam isnt an ERD, but yes ERDs (SRDs now) do get devices.
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I have seen you post this a few times. I'm asking what should we do @jcase at this point and moving on. If all we can hope from adam is a hardware exploit, I think many people will want to throw themselves to him because he is willing to help. If we were ganna try to get a dev a device, who do you think it should be?
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I have seen you post this a few times. I'm asking what should we do @jcase at this point and moving on. If all we can hope from adam is a hardware exploit, I think many people will want to throw themselves to him because he is willing to help. If we were ganna try to get a dev a device, who do you think it should be?
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I don't think I have posted that before...
I think people should start considering their intentions before purchasing a model, if they want unlocked they need to support the dev versions. It is showing the carriers which products are wanted. If they see a larger number of dev units on their network, they are more likely to give them greater support.
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I don't think I have posted that before...
I think people should start considering their intentions before purchasing a model, if they want unlocked they need to support the dev versions. It is showing the carriers which products are wanted. If they see a larger number of dev units on their network, they are more likely to give them greater support.
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Some people can't pay the 700 and something deductible. And the only way they probable could is buy the note 3 and keep it in the box then to and it on swappa. Then wait until it to get sold, then purchase it from sammy. And 9/10 times it's out of stock.
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Some people can't pay the 700 and something deductible. And the only way they probable could is buy the note 3 and keep it in the box then to and it on swappa. Then wait until it to get sold, then purchase it from sammy. And 9/10 times it's out of stock.
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Rock and a hard place.
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I don't think I have posted that before...
I think people should start considering their intentions before purchasing a model, if they want unlocked they need to support the dev versions. It is showing the carriers which products are wanted. If they see a larger number of dev units on their network, they are more likely to give them greater support.
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I totally agree with this; however, I was in the situation where I purchased the retail version before I knew there was going to be a dev version. Unfortunately I was too sick of my older slower phone and I purchased the Note 3 right away. Maybe someone mentioned the dev phone prior to the release or maybe that's a trend, but I unfortunately did not read it or did not know to expect it. From now on I will not buy a device unless it is a dev model. That doesn't help my current situation, so I thank anyone spending time on solving this one. I know it might not ever be solved, but efforts towards that end are appreciated. Thank you @drag&fly for being willing to contribute to the cause.
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Thank you @drag&fly for being willing to contribute to the cause.
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Not a problem at all Sir. I was actually blessed with the funds to fix my note 2...... As soon as I can order the parts and get them I will be able to send my Note 3! Some of you guys here have really helped me out a lot! Anything I can do to return the favor even if indirectly I will.
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I don't think I have posted that before...
I think people should start considering their intentions before purchasing a model, if they want unlocked they need to support the dev versions. It is showing the carriers which products are wanted. If they see a larger number of dev units on their network, they are more likely to give them greater support.
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Carriers? Besides Play Edition devices, the only carrier offering development devices is Verizon, and even then, they don't offer them. Motorola and Samsung are attempting to band-aid our market share they don't want to lose to another manufacturer like HTC or Sony. With the exception of AT&T and VZW, everyone else has the freedom to do as they please. I strongly disagree, as a couple thousand developer devices vs. millions of retail devices, they don't care one bit. This whole 'Dev Device' business model is Samsung's attempt at a band-aid Verizon's position on device modification. They should start differentiating corporate devices vs. consumer devices. Verizon caters heavily to the enterprise market, especially government organizations and large corporations, so the need for enterprise security created the bastard child known as Samsung Knox and LG Gate. RIM's fall from it's Blackberry throne really stung. Samsung wanted a piece of the pie. If we want to do something about it, switch carriers, not devices. Leave Verizon and AT&T en masse. I mean Verizon charges for 2GB of data instead of unlimited (was same price for me) because they insist this is what consumers wanted. What a joke. T-Mobile now offers international data for free off your data plan, in addition to acquiring the lower 700Mhz block, which will only help them even more with greater signal penetration (something they were struggling with outside of urban/suburban environments.) It's also not very realistic for people in the United States to adopt to the lower tariff/higher device cost model like Europe has. They've engrained subsidization deeply into the mobile industry, although some are starting to shake loose. Motorola is helping quite a bit. It's a complex issue, but truly Verizon is the enemy, and we should all abandon ship. Oh, and AT&T sucks too.
ryanbg said:
Carriers? Besides Play Edition devices, the only carrier offering development devices is Verizon. With the exception of AT&T, everyone else has the freedom to do as they please. I strongly disagree, as a couple thousand developer devices vs. millions of retail devices, they don't care one bit. This whole 'Dev Device' business model is Samsung's attempt at a band-aid Verizon's position on device modification. They should start differentiating corporate devices vs. consumer devices. Verizon caters heavily to the enterprise market, especially government organizations and large corporations. Samsung wanted a piece of the pie. If we want to do something about it, switch carriers, not devices. Leave Verizon and AT&T en masse. I mean Verizon charges for 2GB of data instead of unlimited (was same price for me) because they insist this is what consumers wanted. What a joke. T-Mobile now offers international data for free off your data plan, in addition to acquiring the lower 700Mhz block, which will only help them even more with greater signal penetration (something they were struggling with outside of urban/suburban environments.) It's also not very realistic for people in the United States to adopt to the lower tariff/higher device cost model like Europe has. They've engrained subsidization deeply into the mobile industry, although some are starting to shake loose. Motorola is helping quite a bit. It's a complex issue, but truly Verizon is the enemy, and we should all abandon ship. Oh, and AT&T sucks too.
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AT&T has dev edition devices as well, so does Motorola and HTC. Also Verizon and AT&T are not the only carriers locking devices, DoCoMo does as well.
I did switch, I use AT&T now, and I buy unlockable or dev units.
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AT&T has dev edition devices as well, so does Motorola and HTC. Also Verizon and AT&T are not the only carriers locking devices, DoCoMo does as well.
I did switch, I use AT&T now, and I buy unlockable or dev units.
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The perks of GSM... but you are right, I suppose if you aren't locked in a CDMA market, that's most certainly an option.
I think people are forgetting about what this community is all about. why give up and settle for the dev version so fast?
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As @AdamOutler once said
Why not just buy a developer edition?
GTFO! Not a single person got started developing by buying a developer phone. They started developing because they were unhappy with the features of their device and wanted something better. They wanted something more. This developer phone is a tax on developer innovation. We do not stand for that. We will break the security and we will enable XDA-Developers to do what they do best.
Until security is broken and available for everyone, this device will get updates last, users will be unhappy because there are no additional features and Samsung violates the spirit of Open Source and copyright laws. Take a look at the bottom line of GPL-Violations.org FAQ located here: http://gpl-violations.org/faq/sourcecode-faq.html
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By the way, what happened I thought Adam was ERD. Look here http://www.xda-developers.com/xda-t...stion-and-answer-session-qa-xda-developer-tv/
Plus AT&T doesn't have Dev edition of N3 and even if it did college student like me wont be able to afford something that was priced outrageously. Personally I think carrier should let customers choose between Regular phone or Dev phone and if you choose dev phone and brick it, then its your responsibility.