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I'm so torn on deciding on which one i want to keep, i have both and tested both but just can't make up my mind. They both have there pros/cons but i still can't decide. They both cost me the same price and the screen is not the main issue, I mean the bigger screen is nicer yet i prefer the simple google look rather then bloated manufacturer crap.
PROS:
N7
Its Google AOSP
Will get updates from Google
Wifi Direct (snap to transfer files between tablet and phone)
Very very light
Fits in the Hand
TF300
Big Screen
32GB
Micro SD
Dock
HDMI
CONS:
N7
16GB
No Micro SD
7" screen
TF300
Not AOSP
No updates and will lag behind for months
I/O issues and cheap memory that bottlenecks the tablet
Slower in every benchmark than the N7
No CM9/10 since it came with JB out of box
Does not have the JB features in notification bar
jebise101 said:
I'm so torn on deciding on which one i want to keep, i have both and tested both but just can't make up my mind. They both have there pros/cons but i still can't decide. They both cost me the same price and the screen is not the main issue, I mean the bigger screen is nicer yet i prefer the simple google look rather then bloated manufacturer crap.
PROS:
N7
Its Google AOSP
Will get updates from Google
Wifi Direct (snap to transfer files between tablet and phone)
Very very light
Fits in the Hand
TF300
Big Screen
32GB
Micro SD
Dock
HDMI
CONS:
N7
16GB
No Micro SD
7" screen
TF300
Not AOSP
No updates and will lag behind for months
I/O issues and cheap memory that bottlenecks the tablet
Slower in every benchmark than the N7
No CM9/10 since it came with JB out of box
Does not have the JB features in notification bar
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To me, you have to weigh the heaviest cons.
Unless you're a cloud user, then the limited memory on the N7 is a huge gripe.
On the TF300, you can always root and flash a custom ROM that'll fix most software bugs. Your device will also receive updates from a strong community of developers.
As for the benchmarks, that doesn't really equal user experience. The only thing I can tell you is to try both devices out and see which one feels better to use for you.
jebise101 said:
PROS:
N7
Its Google AOSP
Will get updates from Google
Wifi Direct (snap to transfer files between tablet and phone)
Very very light
Fits in the Hand
TF300
Big Screen
32GB
Micro SD
Dock
HDMI
CONS:
N7
16GB
No Micro SD
7" screen
TF300
Not AOSP
No updates and will lag behind for months
I/O issues and cheap memory that bottlenecks the tablet
Slower in every benchmark than the N7
No CM9/10 since it came with JB out of box
Does not have the JB features in notification bar
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I would like to add to the CONS the "reboot-problems" of the TF300T MANY users undergo after the update to JB. Some beliefe it is hardware related (Power button), I guess it is software-related.
Matthias
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hmm good points, I have both and still can't decide. I think i may hold of a while longer (hoping for official announcement end of October) for the rumored Nexus 10 to get the best of both worlds. I really really like the N7 and the pure android but the lack of memory kills it for me and the TF300 because of connectors such as Micro SD. I can't install any CFW yet since i have the JB bootloaders.
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My brothers TF300 and the one i have never really had any reboot issues. When he updated to JB I did a factory wipe and started from scratch because he had some small glitches which went away after the wipe. Mine had JB pre-installed and no issues either.
Will you be putting down your Prime for a Nexus 10?
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Haha... had to see this thread coming... I already did... just hanging around here to advise people till I get my Nexus 10.... gonna buy it the day it's available...
I am keeping my prime, I refuse to jump on this redundant display bandwagon. We've gotten by fine for over 10 years with 1200x800 and going higher just consumes more power, for what? 720p is more than acceptable on a 10 inch device. Last I checked, there aren't a surplus of 1600p videos, and even if there were I would prefer to watch them on something larger than 10 inches so I could actually see the difference over 720p. The only way to see the difference is to hold it inches away and that's not how people watch movies.
As far as text rendering goes, it's no excuse to sacrifice battery life, overall performance, and spend more money.
I wish OEMs would have let apple go down this silly path on their own. Not every decision apple makes is effective. I wish OEMs would have focused those efforts on more power, stability, and other features, instead of just pulling a page from apple's playbook and upping the displays on devices that already have wonderful displays. As it stands my transformer prime already has a nicer panel than the laptop I'm typing this on, and desktop displays could make much more use out of better displays than any 10 inch tablet can.
The purpose 1600p tablets serve is to satisfy consumer dickmeasuring. "OH YOUR TABLET ISN'T 1600P IT'S NOT AS NICE AS THE IPAD!"
There are more effective routes OEMs could have taken to actually advance their products that isn't putting in overkill displays.
Agreed to #3. Android narcissism in Tech Specs's war. Will it benefit consumers? Yes. Cut-throat competition. What I hope is that Google won't be killing off other OEMs in the near future just so to use them as springboards to fight Apple. If so, then Google's advocacy of Cloud Storage may mean expensive onboard storage of us all.
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Agreed to #3. Android narcissism in Tech Specs's war. Will it benefit consumers? Yes. Cut-throat competition. What I hope is that Google won't be killing off other OEMs in the near future just so to use them as springboards to fight Apple. If so, then Google's advocacy of Cloud Storage may mean expensive onboard storage of us all.
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Not unless it gets a make over, it looks hideous! Seriously, what the hell were they thinking?
I was holding tough to my Prime hoping a fix was coming and that once it got JB all would be well.Bought myself a Galaxy S III a few weeks back and the Wife a Nexus 7 and they both run circles around my Prime.Really,its an embarrassment for a $500 tab to run like sh!t compared to a $200 tab and a smartphone.Not only web browsing but even flipping through menus and navigating the device is snappier than my Prime.The second I can get my hand on the Nexus 10,I'm dumping the Prime.. :good:
My Prime's still running like crap even after Jellybean and countless factory resets and even restoring the stock image. Mine is already on eBay and I'll be buying the Nexus 10 on release day. I welcome nearly instant updates from Google.
Maybe the nexus 7... I like the prime but I left a sgt7 for it and its just not as portable... But to answer the question, no I won't go to the nexus 10.
16 gb or even 32gb isn't enough I have like 28gb of apps alone. Google is retarded
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im pretty sure that the nexus is much better than the prime (in some cases) but my questions is this, how will the speed differ in which the prime is quad core tegra 3 and the nexus is DUAL core with the new Cortex A-15 chip. For example apple used the cortex chips like the a-5 in their devices and the devices are pretty fluid so i wonder how this will put up and if it would be ridiculously lag-free faster....0.o
Nah for the time being ill stick with my prime I don't have any real issues. JB is fast and I can do everything I want on the tablet. I think even if I was able to get the Nexus 10 the time it would take for me to sell my prime and get up the rest of the cash if I couldnt sell it for 400, a newer nexus 10 will come out. So if anything ill save and wait. I have a sgs3 galaxy nexus and Tprime im good for another year or so on devices
No Nexus 10 for me but I just ordered a ipad mini. Found the 10 inch units too heavy while the display was too small on the 7 inch. But the mini was perfect in that regard. Lighter than any 7 inch but with screen massively bigger. And no more wasted space due to the on screen Android virtual buttons bar.
That was my plan until I saw the pics and specs. No microsd. $500 for only 32gb. No working for me. Just got to wait for anither tablet to come out. For those that dont think a higher resolution makes a difference. It does. I have the new ipad and the screen is beautiful. Makes reading and using it much easier on the eyes.
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when the nexus10 is released in the netherlands or available for normal prices abroad i will surely switch to the nexus10. samsung is the way to go! also waiting for a good keyboard case/addon for the nexus 10.
after 2 asus products, 6 rma's and still a laggy product im sick and tired of asus.... and sick and tired of nvidia trying to get world domination with their closed source tegra-only marketing tricks...
for the moment i can wait a bit, cm10 unofficial with bfq scheduler works pretty decent but still lockups due to slow storage. i hate lags!
Does the increase resolution on the Nexus 10 lend itself to better handwriting recognition?
nabil alami said:
im pretty sure that the nexus is much better than the prime (in some cases) but my questions is this, how will the speed differ in which the prime is quad core tegra 3 and the nexus is DUAL core with the new Cortex A-15 chip. For example apple used the cortex chips like the a-5 in their devices and the devices are pretty fluid so i wonder how this will put up and if it would be ridiculously lag-free faster....0.o
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Apple devices are fluid because they don't properly multi task and don't have widgets and live wallpapers running on them, just a bunch of apps/folders cluttering up the screen. Clear your screens and only run one thing at once on Android and it might be as smooth but will it be any where near as fun?
I think the Nexus 10 has a rediculous resolution. I don't even have that on my pc with 24" monitor so why bother on a 10" tablet?
I reallly, really like my Prime so will be keeping it but I also have a 32GB Nexus 7 on the way for when I need something a little smaller and more portable.
I'm one of the lucky ones who has a nearly flawless Prime. Yea the WiFi could be better but I mainly just tether from my phone so it's not big issue. My TF201 of course has more mods on it than I could count (scripts mainly) and combined with a 1.8ghz OC it's faster than ever. The Nexus devices are great but honestly the look of the Nexus 10 doesn't please me even with the ridiculously high screen res.
N10 wins just on the fact that the software will be made by Google and will be snappy and responsive, not laggy and crappy. I just sold my Prime and will be getting an N10. Never again with Asus...never again.
Two things stop me from even thinking about it:
- no sd card slot
- no keyboard dock
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htcplussony said:
No Nexus 10 for me but I just ordered a ipad mini. Found the 10 inch units too heavy while the display was too small on the 7 inch. But the mini was perfect in that regard. Lighter than any 7 inch but with screen massively bigger. And no more wasted space due to the on screen Android virtual buttons bar.
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Seriously? An iPad mini? Basicly an iPad 2 shrunked to 8" for the price of one and a half Nexus 7?
Tough decision...
nabil alami said:
im pretty sure that the nexus is much better than the prime (in some cases) but my questions is this, how will the speed differ in which the prime is quad core tegra 3 and the nexus is DUAL core with the new Cortex A-15 chip. For example apple used the cortex chips like the a-5 in their devices and the devices are pretty fluid so i wonder how this will put up and if it would be ridiculously lag-free faster....0.o
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The Exynos 5250 is much faster than Tegra 3. Also the Nexus 10 software comes straight from Google, so no lag and strange bugs. Yeah Prime is better looking but in my opinion usability is more important. Also Samsung devices dont have some cheap and slow internal memory.
Hey Everyone,
I have been pretty much decided on purchasing a Nexus 10 as my first entry in to the Tablet market. I planned on selling my Macbook and attempting to live with just a tablet, as to be honest, there isn't much I do on my Macbook nowadays that I could not achieve on a tablet. I wanted to wait until I could play with a Nexus 10 in a store prior to making a purchase just in case though. Obviously this will have to wait a little longer.
In the mean time, my brother just arrived for a visit from Australia and he has the Asus Transformer TF201. I had a play with this last night and have to say, I am very impressed. It has such a solid feel, looks premium and the keyboard dock which has extra battery and all the ports needed is quite fantastic. I hadn't seen one before and wondered what he was doing when he took the screen off what I thought was a small netbook! After having a play, I did some research and see the TF700 has a rather nice HD screen, a little more power and comes in the same lovely package. The only problem is, I can't see it available in the UK anywhere and from all my research, it seems it was due out a while back. It seems to be available at some places in Europe, for example you can get a French one, which would have a French keyboard, which I'm not too interested in. Otherwise, you can get from America on Ebay for around 420 pounds including delivery.
Has anyone got this TF700 and if so, what are your thoughts? How do you compare to the Nexus 10? Did you give up the TF700 for the Nexus 10? Or will you be staying put? It's small package and keyboard make it quite an ideal laptop replacement. I don't think it's quite as powerful as the Nexus 10 though.
I hope I posted this in the right place, if not, please tell me and I'll amend.
Cheers,
Mike
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Mikeparakh said:
Hey Everyone,
I have been pretty much decided on purchasing a Nexus 10 as my first entry in to the Tablet market. I planned on selling my Macbook and attempting to live with just a tablet, as to be honest, there isn't much I do on my Macbook nowadays that I could not achieve on a tablet. I wanted to wait until I could play with a Nexus 10 in a store prior to making a purchase just in case though. Obviously this will have to wait a little longer.
In the mean time, my brother just arrived for a visit from Australia and he has the Asus Transformer TF201. I had a play with this last night and have to say, I am very impressed. It has such a solid feel, looks premium and the keyboard dock which has extra battery and all the ports needed is quite fantastic. I hadn't seen one before and wondered what he was doing when he took the screen off what I thought was a small netbook! After having a play, I did some research and see the TF700 has a rather nice HD screen, a little more power and comes in the same lovely package. The only problem is, I can't see it available in the UK anywhere and from all my research, it seems it was due out a while back. It seems to be available at some places in Europe, for example you can get a French one, which would have a French keyboard, which I'm not too interested in. Otherwise, you can get from America on Ebay for around 420 pounds including delivery.
Has anyone got this TF700 and if so, what are your thoughts? How do you compare to the Nexus 10? Did you give up the TF700 for the Nexus 10? Or will you be staying put? It's small package and keyboard make it quite an ideal laptop replacement. I don't think it's quite as powerful as the Nexus 10 though.
I hope I posted this in the right place, if not, please tell me and I'll amend.
Cheers,
Mike
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Mike,
I've had both the Prime and the Infinity. Prime was plagued with light bleed issues and bad wifi reception so Asus traded mine for the TF700. It was nearly perfect for one dumb but vital mistake, the eMMc on which Asus decided to save some money (that is, they put a very poor and cheap one in it). Because of that, the devices lags in the browser and starts lagging when you have multiple apps open. By lag I don't mean it takes micro secs longer. The device would just lock up for a few seconds before continuing (slowly) and does that a few times.. There is a work-a-round which improves performance a bit called CleanROM. However, for that you have to unlock your device which you have to do via the Asus website and voids all your warranty. So I sold the Infinity to get the N10 as I was sick of it. I hope the N10 is better.
Hope this helps a bit...
The cheap emmc on all Asus tablets is a deal breaker. Untill they fix that I wouldn't recomend any asus tablet.
I am not confident about Transformer's storage performance. Check this simple video about boot speed. Obviously SoC plays a part, but I believe that the NAND also plays a vital role.
Just found some numbers. Check the Infinity numbers about Androbench storage test:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6073/the-google-nexus-7-review/6
Compare this against N10:
http://cdn.androidpolice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/nexusae0_Screenshot_2012-11-07-12-09-06.png
Important are first 4 numbers (Sequential read/write and random read/write).
Seeing 2 votes for the Asus, any reasons why guys? Input would be greatly appreciated! Cheers.
I have both in my posession right now.
The infinity like others have said is almost a perfect tablet. It has everything. However the device is SLOW. As others have stated Asus cheaper out on the memory and using the device is a chore.
I will be keeping my nexus and returning my 700. The nexus is amazingly smooth, less light bleed than my Asus.
The only downfall is no micro SD on the nexus vs the Asus.
Edit: there are votes for the nexus, not the Asus. Everyone so far has been pro nexus
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Same here,nice display on tf700 but using it is a chore
As soon as my order is marked as shipped im putting it on ebay/craigslist
duarian said:
I have both in my posession right now.
The infinity like others have said is almost a perfect tablet. It has everything. However the device is SLOW. As others have stated Asus cheaper out on the memory and using the device is a chore.
I will be keeping my nexus and returning my 700. The nexus is amazingly smooth, less light bleed than my Asus.
The only downfall is no micro SD on the nexus vs the Asus.
Edit: there are votes for the nexus, not the Asus. Everyone so far has been pro nexus
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When you say slow, do you mean in all operations? Or anything specific? I used the TF201 last night for a few hours of web browsing and general stuff and that seemed to be pretty good. It was running Jellybean too. Surely the TF700 must be a step up from this in performance which couldn't be that bad?
Mikeparakh said:
When you say slow, do you mean in all operations? Or anything specific? I used the TF201 last night for a few hours of web browsing and general stuff and that seemed to be pretty good. It was running Jellybean too. Surely the TF700 must be a step up from this in performance which couldn't be that bad?
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There's nothing wrong with the tf700. It appeals to a lot of people that offers a lot of options. I owned a tf700 and enjoyed it for the 30 days AI had it. It was fast and JB was a nice welcome. I had rooted it and stayed locked and stocked. Only tweaks were installing Browser2ram for faster stock browser experience. Its true IO is an issue if you choose to stay locked. Available ram will dip close to 350 to 400mb available from its 1gig. Sometime as low as 100mb left due to having several widgets and or playing a high intensive game. So multitasking can be a challenge at times. If you unlock and install a custom rom like Cleanrom, you won't have any IO issues. It is definitely a step up from the Prime, I also owned that for 6months before I switched to the Infinity. Just returned my Note10.1 for the N10! Can't wait to get my hands on it!
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Wasn't intending to put the Asus down. It is a great tablet. The only thing that holds it back is the slow internal memory. To really bring out the full potential you have to unlock it (which voids the warranty sending your serial number to Asus). Install cleanrom and a kernel, and some have gone as far as buying a class 10 64gb micro SD and moving the data partition to that negating the internal memory.
I would keep my Asus if the internal wasn't so slow. Browsing Netflix, the market was just tedious. Installing apps took forever. I would much rather do things on. My phone than the Asus. Its a shame because that's the only flaw I found with the tablet.
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I cannot comment on ASUS's poor choice on the internal storage; but with a Galaxy Prevail I had, there was a mod that could transfer data to an external micro SD card. Upon doing this, I couldn't even use the device just due to how bad the lag was (the micro SD card I was using must of been a slower class). Switched back to internal, and all was well.
So using a slower flash controller can make the overall experience of a device very much worse.
My input is biased as I have not owned Nexus 10, and may not ever. Still debating.
But I have done extensive research about all the major tablet out there including Nexus 10, various windows 8 tablets, and owned Infinity myself for about 3 months or so. I sold it in anticipation of Nexus 10.
So here are some of things I can tell (nexus 10 part is just a speculation, and definitely guys own the device can tell you better)
Screen - Nexus 10
Infinity's screen was phenomenal when I jumped from iPad 2. Then I got Note 10.1, and just could not tolerate the lower resolution anymore so had to go back to Infinity. I am not sure if the Infinity to Nexus 10 gives the same degree of jump, but it is possible if you purely look at difference in number of pixel densities. Though one thing I can say is if you never used higher resolution screen, it's hard to know what you are missing. Because I saw new Ipad several times, but until owned Infinity myself and used for couples day I really did not appreciate the difference.
Battery Life - Infinity.
Charge time is faster, extra docking battery, and perhaps tablet itself already has better battery than the Nexus 10 according to paper.
Extra storage - Infinity
MicroSD. I am sure you can connect couple cables via microUSB and use them on Nexus 10 as well, but certainly not as convenient and visually not as good.
Build Quality - Likely Nexus 10
I have never exchanged any of my electronics before in my life. With infinity, I had to do it twice and seems like quite few complaints on the forum here. So when you get a good unit, it's great but there is chance you might have to go through couple exchange. As far as light bleed, some person posted on this forum that Nexus 10 has light bleed. That was actually worth if not the same to the worst light bleed I had on my 3 infinity tablet i.e. both have light bleed.
Dock station - Its really nice to have docking keyboard on infinity. People are hoping Pogo connector on Nexus 10 to support this, and personally I am dreaming the same. However, to be honest, I am not even certain that connector support such type of input.
Application Performance - Likely Nexus 10
Overall performance is likely stronger on Nexus 10, but so far reviews I have read across multiple sites sounds like not a complete ground breaking performance. Nexus 10 certainly has better GPU than Infinity, but supports way more pixels. CPU wise, perhaps it may be due to the fact the some benchmarks are not yet optimized for A15 architecture, but if you look at some benchmark like Antutu Infinity is superior. (Mainly because quad vs. dual core difference I believe). The other test is Sunspider, which is browser test. After the latest firmware update, Infinity's stock browser gives 900's score. Clearly above the Nexus 10, but nexus 10's score also likely to go up. However, there tests are generally just number and I don't think not true reflection of real experience by any mean.
As far as slow internal storage, it is true that Infinity uses inferior internal storage; however, whether you really notice this as major issue or not is depends on how you use your tablet. Initially, people complained this as a cause of slow browser page loading, near complete stall of system while application downloading. Also, relatively frequent application not responding errors. These have been alleviated by update; however, not eradicated. So wonder how Nexus 10 solved this.
Wifi Performance - Nexus 10
MiMo should give quite extra wifi performance.
Future proof - ?
Nexus 10 will definitely get quicker updates on OS. But ASUS is also very fast in fact it has been one of the fastest to get OS update among non nexus device. Though actual overall internal hardware is somewhat inferior to that of Nexus 10, Infinity drives less resolution so it may be relatively sufficient for what it has. If so, as developer supports more higher resolution applications on Android platform (to support Nexus 10), Infinity will also benefit at the same time. So my guess is unless Asus gives up, relative future proof are probably similar between the two.
Conclusion
In current stage of tablet market, I just don't see any tablet that is perfect or completely superior to other competitive device including Nexus 10, Infinity, and Galaxy Note 10.1. Personally, I want a tablet with high resolution screen, luxury of Infinity's dock, microSD, and Galaxy Note 10.1's stylus. WIth zero crash, 10 hours battery, less than 600g... Closest I see for potential right now (myself) is Windows surface Pro but even it lacks battery life, and weight factor. Maybe Samsung's next tablet (Galaxy Note 10.1 with high resolution screen)... I think you just need to list what is important for you and decide.
I had both the Prime and the Infinity. The main reason I returned them was because I read this forum. The Prime had its issues, but I did just fine with the router in my room, and outside the house I always used my phone as a hotspot so the wi-fi problems did not hit me hard. The GPS NEVER worked, but I said to myself, who cares, I have GPS on my phone. I ended up returning it because Best Buy let me (which I also found about here), and because after reading the forum I had the idea that it was the right thing to do, I did pay good money for the device.
As for the Infinity, it was perfect... to me, it was, but again, from reading the forums I had the urge to return it because it ticked me off that ASUS "overlooked" a glaring flaw AGAIN. But to be honest, I was fine with the performance.
I have the Nexus 10 and it is also a good device so no regrets. People are finding flaws on it already, like some flexing in the back. I have the flexing, it's very, very small, and it doesn't bother me at all, light bleed? I don't even know what that is and if I have it.
If you can try out the Infinity and don't feel like it's sluggish AND really loved the dock and expandable memory, get it. Not everyone is as picky with their devices. This is not meant as an insult to anyone here, I just feel like some here look for perfection more than I do. I can understand that because these devices are not cheap at all.
Usually, I tend to stick with what i have and learn to love it, unless it's just a really crappy device or it doesn't work at all.
I hope I have helped you a bit in making your decision.
FINAL EDIT: I forgot to say this, imo, the Infinity felt much more solidly built, the Aluminum just felt right.
Why does everyone keep attributing the lag they see on the transformer infinity to hardware issues? This argument has already been debunked due to the software optimization of cleanrom and c10 without overclocking... any issues that might be noticed on the infinity will be fixed with future updates. So please people, stop with the inaccurate assumptions. The infinity is an absolute beast and so is the N10. The deal breaker for me with the N10 is the battery and no sd card slot. Those are huge issues for me that CAN'T be corrected with updates. The battery is issue has been known since the first reviews came in.
Both devices are awesome, but i have to give the edge to the infinity...OP i would ask yourself these questions...
1. Is battery life important to you?
2. How good are both manufacturers with software updates?
3. Is external storage important to you?
4. Would you rather metal or plastic? Does it male a difference to you?
5. Is having the option of converting your tablet into a netbook appealing to you?
6. Is having Extra battery life through a keyboard dock appealing to you?
I would ask yourself these questions before making your decisions. Good luck!
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Why does everyone keep attributing the lag they see on the transformer infinity to hardware issues? This argument has already been debunked due to the software optimization of cleanrom and c10 without overclocking... any issues that might be noticed on the infinity will be fixed with future updates. So please people, stop with the inaccurate assumptions. The infinity is an absolute beast and so is the N10. The deal breaker for me with the N10 is the battery and no sd card slot. Those are huge issues for me that CAN'T be corrected with updates. The battery is issue has been known since the first reviews came in.
Both devices are awesome, but i have to give the edge to the infinity...
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It is hardware. The benchmarks shown the internal memory of the Asus to be extremely slow. The read/right in benchmarks is slow. I think 0.2 mb/s at times?
Cleanrom doesn't fix that...it just masks it somewhat. I've watched videos of cleanrom and yes it works great, but tweaking software only takes it so far.
Being forced to unlock and give up your warranty on a $500 device to mask the hardware is just not worth it IMO.
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It is hardware. The benchmarks shown the internal memory of the Asus to be extremely slow. The read/right in benchmarks is slow. I think 0.2 mb/s at times?
Cleanrom doesn't fix that...it just masks it somewhat. I've watched videos of cleanrom and yes it works great, but tweaking software only takes it so far.
Being forced to unlock and give up your warranty on a $500 device to mask the hardware is just not worth it IMO.
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Its not hardware, its software. And doesn't mask the i/o issues, it optimizes the software to make better use of the storage speeds. And I'm saying you don't have to unlock, I'm saying that the issues you might see ( which are almost non existent since the last update) CAN be corrected with updates, as made by example of cleanrom. Also looking around these boards, you guys are dealing with some pretty serious issues of your own...
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Its not hardware, its software. And doesn't mask the i/o issues, it optimizes the software to make better use of the storage speeds. And I'm saying you don't have to unlock, I'm saying that the issues you might see ( which are almost non existent since the last update) CAN be corrected with updates, as made by example of cleanrom. Also looking around these boards, you guys are dealing with some pretty serious issues of your own...
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Well I'm not trying to start an argument on the forums. I have both, all with the latest firmware and the N10 flies compared to my Asus. I was really, really trying to like the asus...but its just to sluggish for me. Everyone has their own opinions and needs from a device. Mine just lean more towards the nexus.
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Asus tablets are honestly terrible. Every single display model I have ever used from the transformer, prime, infinity, tf300 etc has all had either a poor wifi connection or ran like crap. Coincidence? Slight possibilty, but considering I go to a lot electronic stores, that doesn't instill me with much confidence.
I am actually shocked that Asus managed to make the Nexus 7 run well, it is plagued with hardware issues but at least it runs well.
Maybe their next crack at the infinity will be good but for now it sucks and the Nexus 10 seems quite awesome.
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Well I'm not trying to start an argument on the forums. I have both, all with the latest firmware and the N10 flies compared to my Asus. I was really, really trying to like the asus...but its just to sluggish for me. Everyone has their own opinions and needs from a device. Mine just lean more towards the nexus.
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Unless you have reset your infinity to factory and done a full clean update to the latest firmware, along with either keeping stock on both devices or having exactly the same apps installed, then making a point that one device is faster than the other is not accurate. I can show you a nexus 1 factory reset and that will "fly" faster than a galaxy nexus that hasn't been put through the same treatment, doesn't mean the nexus 1 is the better device.
Your right, it does come down to needs and personal opinions, just gotta make sure your making those decisions on accurate information my friend....
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Tomatoes8 said:
Asus tablets are honestly terrible. Every single display model I have ever used from the transformer, prime, infinity, tf300 etc has all had either a poor wifi connection or ran like crap. Coincidence? Slight possibilty, but considering I go to a lot electronic stores, that doesn't instill me with much confidence.
I am actually shocked that Asus managed to make the Nexus 7 run well, it is plagued with hardware issues but at least it runs well.
Maybe their next crack at the infinity will be good but for now it sucks and the Nexus 10 seems quite awesome.
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Except for the horrible battery, poor graphics performance and no microSD slot...ya.... awesome...
Also I'm playing on my sisters N10 right now. I honestly see no difference besides the obvious UI. What i have noticed though is the battery. There is no way I could deal with this.... 30 percent after a little over an hour of mkv movie playing? That my friend is the definition of an inefficient battery to usage ratio.
pierrekid said:
Unless you have reset your infinity to factory and done a full clean update to the latest firmware, along with either keeping stock on both devices or having exactly the same apps installed, then making a point that one device is faster than the other is not accurate. I can show you a nexus 1 factory reset and that will "fly" faster than a galaxy nexus that hasn't been put through the same treatment, doesn't mean the nexus 1 is the better device.
Your right, it does come down to needs and personal opinions, just gotta make sure your making those decisions on accurate information my friend....
Sadly I did do that first thing. No change. As I said I have both sitting in front of me so I have all the information I could possibly have haha
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As we know, Google has not released a new Nexus 10, well over a year after the original's release. The original's specs are still great, new tablets are not really surpassing it much if at all, so I don't think it's in dire need of an update, but it's still unusual to see that much time go by without an update for a product a company is still interested in.
Then in the code, we have two solid hints that Google no longer cares about the 10" form factor. The first obvious one is the Settings menu in KitKat, with two-pane UI removed. The second hint now comes with the official launch of the Google Now Launcher. We see that GNL only does 6 columns on Nexus 10, same as Nexus 7. Google could've easily bumped this to 8 like with the stock launcher, but didn't bother.
Then there are Nexus 8 rumors. To me 8" is still too small and is noticeably smaller than a 10" tablet. You need only look at the iPad Mini and full size iPad to validate this opinion. However, Google might use that device as further justification to not bother with a 10" device, since 8" is "close enough" and a single tablet could garner more sales.
This seems like a poor decision to me though. As I said, Apple thinks there is good reason to have both 8" and 10" devices in play, and the market agrees with them. 10" tablets are THE next "PC" for average users. They do most things people could want, on a comfortably sized screen, especially when paired with a keyboard. The fact that iPad Airs are flying off shelves and increasingly used in enterprise proves this. If we are really "post-PC" and the iPad's dominance is going unchecked, why would Google give up on this size/form factor? Why not continually update the N10 and pair it with awesome keyboards and office apps to make it a real powerhouse? Samsung gets it and is doing exactly this - it seems Google is happy to let them handle it, despite its huge importance. What if Samsung takes it in a different direction that Google is unhappy with? They've been known to do this before.
Do you agree with this, or do think Google is still committed to the full size market, but just taking their time with an update? Keep in mind the software hints we have seen that indicate they are giving up.
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The original's specs are still great, new tablets are not really surpassing it much if at all, so I don't think it's in dire need of an update.
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The N10.1-14 and Tab|Pro 10.1 run circles around the N10 specs wise.
GPU
The Mali-T628 delivers high performance graphics, achieved by doubling the number of GPU cores, within each core and improving the compiler and pipeline efficiency. It delivers up to 10x the graphics performance of the Mali-400-MP GPU, as well as an increase in GPU Compute performance when compared with the Mali-T604 GPU.
The Mali-T604 GPU delivers up to 5x performance improvement over the Mali-400-MP graphics processor and is scalable up to four cores.
http://mobile.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-hardware/mali-t628.php
CPU
Exynos 5420 provides four A15 cores plus the ability to transition to four A7 cores under low/moderate load vs. two A15 cores on Exynos 5250. The former's using a 28nm HKMG die while the latters using the much older 32nm process which is far less energy and heat efficient.
You can look at benchmarks and see that the N10's CPU and GPU are "acceptable" but certainly not contemporary compared to newer Exynos/Mali and S-80X/Adreno SoC's.
Size
Battery Life
The Samsung tablets get better battery life using a smaller and lighter battery. Primarily because of the RGBW display and more energy efficient SoC(s). With the extra white pixel there are still 274 red, green, and blue sub-pixels per inch which wouldn't be indistinguishable compared to the 299 PPI on the N10. The iPad Air has 264 PPI for reference.
TW obviously negates some of the performance benefit because of all the resources it consumes but if you added the same amount of crap to the N10 it's performance would be significantly below the Samsung tablets. Same thing in reverse if you slapped CM or an AOKP ROM on the Samsung tablets. The Xperia Tablet Z 2 is using a S-801 SoC and comes with 3GB of RAM which will actually surpass the performance of the Samsung tablets and even further outperform the N10.
So the N10's had its day in the sun but needs either to be replaced to remain contemporary or marked down considerably in price based on its performance position in the market place.
That's totally true. And we aren't even talking about Snapdragon 800 beast in the market. I like it a lot but it has become quite obsolete (as usuall in Tech market). I think new media contents wont be able to be played fluidly.
The screen ppi is about the best on any tablet and it's running the latest version of Android and apps run without lag so really no need to upgrade.
BarryH_GEG said:
The N10.1-14 and Tab|Pro 10.1 run circles around the N10 specs wise.
GPU
The Mali-T628 delivers high performance graphics, achieved by doubling the number of GPU cores, within each core and improving the compiler and pipeline efficiency. It delivers up to 10x the graphics performance of the Mali-400-MP GPU, as well as an increase in GPU Compute performance when compared with the Mali-T604 GPU.
The Mali-T604 GPU delivers up to 5x performance improvement over the Mali-400-MP graphics processor and is scalable up to four cores.
http://mobile.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-hardware/mali-t628.php
CPU
Exynos 5420 provides four A15 cores plus the ability to transition to four A7 cores under low/moderate load vs. two A15 cores on Exynos 5250. The former's using a 28nm HKMG die while the latters using the much older 32nm process which is far less energy and heat efficient.
You can look at benchmarks and see that the N10's CPU and GPU are "acceptable" but certainly not contemporary compared to newer Exynos/Mali and S-80X/Adreno SoC's.
Size
Battery Life
The Samsung tablets get better battery life using a smaller and lighter battery. Primarily because of the RGBW display and more energy efficient SoC(s). With the extra white pixel there are still 274 red, green, and blue sub-pixels per inch which wouldn't be indistinguishable compared to the 299 PPI on the N10. The iPad Air has 264 PPI for reference.
TW obviously negates some of the performance benefit because of all the resources it consumes but if you added the same amount of crap to the N10 it's performance would be significantly below the Samsung tablets. Same thing in reverse if you slapped CM or an AOKP ROM on the Samsung tablets. The Xperia Tablet Z 2 is using a S-801 SoC and comes with 3GB of RAM which will actually surpass the performance of the Samsung tablets and even further outperform the N10.
So the N10's had its day in the sun but needs either to be replaced to remain contemporary or marked down considerably in price based on its performance position in the market place.
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Well its 16 months old now the N10 so what else do you expect. Still a good tablet in my book.
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Warren_Orange said:
Well its 16 months old now the N10 so what else do you expect. Still a good tablet in my book.
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I didn't say it wasn't a "good" tablet; especially for $250 for the 32GB version on eBay. But after 16 months the following statement isn't true. The most unique feature of the N10 was it being the only 2,560x1,600 Android tablet. The 10" Samsung tablets and Asus TF701 both have similar displays now in addition to improving upon every other h/w spec.
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New tablets are not really surpassing it much if at all.
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I think they will put out another. They're development devices so as long as we have ultra high resolution 10+inch tablets there should be a 10 incher from google
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Google provides updates to a device for 18 months, right? So what happens when the N10 hits 18 months, if they have no new N10 out by then?
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Google provides updates to a device for 18 months, right? So what happens when the N10 hits 18 months, if they have no new N10 out by then?
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10" Android tablets, especially high-end versions, have never sold well. At $400+ people (not necessarily XDA'rs) looking for larger format tablets buy iPads. People looking for cheap tablets buy Android (forked and official) which are typically $250 or below and 7-8". The Motorola Zoom was released three years ago in February, 2011. The fact we're still dealing with this speaks volumes about the attention developers pay to 10" tablets with their larger display area and landscape orientation.
Samsung and their zillion dollar marketing budget are making a huge push in the high-end larger format tablet space. And with balls of steel their pricing the 8.4 and 10.1 Pro/Note's at iPad prices and beyond. We'll see if that gets people interested in large Android tablets. If you look at the latest KitKat adoption rate it's below 2%. If you assume most Nexi that were able upgraded that means that of all the Android h/w out there less than 2% are Nexi. If you further assume the N4/5 and N7/N7-13 (both of which emphasize price as much as purity) are the lion's share that doesn't leave many other devices sold. Google may just be taking a pass on a new 10" tablet or letting Samsung prime the pump with their Pro/Note push before they jump back in. The world will survive without a new N10 since they didn't fall all over themselves to buy the first one.
Does not answer my question you've quoted. I'm asking about OTA updates for the current N10 if it hits 18 months and no new N10 is released. Sorry for not mentioning I'm asking regarding OTA updates.
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Does not answer my question you've quoted. I'm asking about OTA updates for the current N10 if it hits 18 months and no new N10 is released. Sorry for not mentioning I'm asking regarding OTA updates.
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I dont think that's any sort of guarantee. Considering how they had to disable features in 4.4.2, I wonder if 4.5 will even make it onto the N10 officially.
BarryH_GEG said:
10" Android tablets, especially high-end versions, have never sold well. At $400+ people (not necessarily XDA'rs) looking for larger format tablets buy iPads. People looking for cheap tablets buy Android (forked and official) which are typically $250 or below and 7-8". The Motorola Zoom was released three years ago in February, 2011. The fact we're still dealing with this speaks volumes about the attention developers pay to 10" tablets with their larger display area and landscape orientation.
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If anything that is MORE reason why Google should focus on this space. Just like they did with the Nexus 7 where they came out with a device that did the 7" form factor right, and it got attention. iPads are THE next "PC". In the future (even now) your average user will have a smartphone or maybe a tablet to use at home, and might not need a Windows/Mac PC at all. If Google doesn't get Android to a dominant position in this space like they've done with phones they will come to regret it. It ties into enterprise adoption, productivity (Google Docs and as an extension Chromebooks), you name it.
BarryH_GEG said:
The N10.1-14 and Tab|Pro 10.1 run circles around the N10 specs wise.
GPU
The Mali-T628 delivers high performance graphics, achieved by doubling the number of GPU cores, within each core and improving the compiler and pipeline efficiency. It delivers up to 10x the graphics performance of the Mali-400-MP GPU, as well as an increase in GPU Compute performance when compared with the Mali-T604 GPU.
The Mali-T604 GPU delivers up to 5x performance improvement over the Mali-400-MP graphics processor and is scalable up to four cores.
http://mobile.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-hardware/mali-t628.php
CPU
Exynos 5420 provides four A15 cores plus the ability to transition to four A7 cores under low/moderate load vs. two A15 cores on Exynos 5250. The former's using a 28nm HKMG die while the latters using the much older 32nm process which is far less energy and heat efficient.
You can look at benchmarks and see that the N10's CPU and GPU are "acceptable" but certainly not contemporary compared to newer Exynos/Mali and S-80X/Adreno SoC's.
Size
http://www.flickr.com/photos/b-a-h/11237275726/
Battery Life
The Samsung tablets get better battery life using a smaller and lighter battery. Primarily because of the RGBW display and more energy efficient SoC(s). With the extra white pixel there are still 274 red, green, and blue sub-pixels per inch which wouldn't be indistinguishable compared to the 299 PPI on the N10. The iPad Air has 264 PPI for reference.
TW obviously negates some of the performance benefit because of all the resources it consumes but if you added the same amount of crap to the N10 it's performance would be significantly below the Samsung tablets. Same thing in reverse if you slapped CM or an AOKP ROM on the Samsung tablets. The Xperia Tablet Z 2 is using a S-801 SoC and comes with 3GB of RAM which will actually surpass the performance of the Samsung tablets and even further outperform the N10.
So the N10's had its day in the sun but needs either to be replaced to remain contemporary or marked down considerably in price based on its performance position in the market place.
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None of this refutes my points regarding Google giving up on this space despite all the reasons they should actually increase their efforts in it. And despite the spec bumps you quoted, the N10 is still a super capable and modern tablet. It could stand to be a bit faster (or maybe Android/Chrome just better optimized for Exynos), and better in-use battery life is always welcome, but that's about it. Just sitting there my N10 will only lose 1-2% over the course of a whole day idle.
I could never get used to the ten inch Android form factor. Too awkward to hold IMO either landscape or portrait. And the dimensions at that size just look odd when viewing the screen for anything but videos. Bought a N10 and returned it days later. That said the Samsung Note 8 is ergonomically excellent and great for viewing in portrait mode. Just needs higher resolution and it would have it all. But I like mine all the same. Still I need a large format tablet which is why I own the iPad Air. Tremendously light and has an excellent screen. They chopped the bezel size which makes it feel small but they didn't shrink the screen. This really is a killer pad just from a hardware technical perspective. On the other hand, don't like the iOS but what can you do. Android really needs to change the ten inch form factor.
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As we know, Google has not released a new Nexus 10, well over a year after the original's release. The original's specs are still great, new tablets are not really surpassing it much if at all, so I don't think it's in dire need of an update, but it's still unusual to see that much time go by without an update for a product a company is still interested in.
Then in the code, we have two solid hints that Google no longer cares about the 10" form factor. The first obvious one is the Settings menu in KitKat, with two-pane UI removed. The second hint now comes with the official launch of the Google Now Launcher. We see that GNL only does 6 columns on Nexus 10, same as Nexus 7. Google could've easily bumped this to 8 like with the stock launcher, but didn't bother.
Then there are Nexus 8 rumors. To me 8" is still too small and is noticeably smaller than a 10" tablet. You need only look at the iPad Mini and full size iPad to validate this opinion. However, Google might use that device as further justification to not bother with a 10" device, since 8" is "close enough" and a single tablet could garner more sales.
This seems like a poor decision to me though. As I said, Apple thinks there is good reason to have both 8" and 10" devices in play, and the market agrees with them. 10" tablets are THE next "PC" for average users. They do most things people could want, on a comfortably sized screen, especially when paired with a keyboard. The fact that iPad Airs are flying off shelves and increasingly used in enterprise proves this. If we are really "post-PC" and the iPad's dominance is going unchecked, why would Google give up on this size/form factor? Why not continually update the N10 and pair it with awesome keyboards and office apps to make it a real powerhouse? Samsung gets it and is doing exactly this - it seems Google is happy to let them handle it, despite its huge importance. What if Samsung takes it in a different direction that Google is unhappy with? They've been known to do this before.
Do you agree with this, or do think Google is still committed to the full size market, but just taking their time with an update? Keep in mind the software hints we have seen that indicate they are giving up.
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I agree with you in that I highly doubt there will ever be a 2nd gen Nexus 10. This is actually what pushed me to finally order my new N10 last week. I've always wanted one, but couldn't justify paying $500 for a 32GB when it first came out. I had an HP TouchPad at the time running CM that was able to hold me over for a while. Then, after buying my N5, the speed (or lack thereof) of the TouchPad was really starting to make itself evident. I lucked out and scored a 32GB N7 (2013) from Staples for $170 back in January, and it's a great tablet, but I was really missing the 10" screen. So last week, when I saw a deal (shout out to Slickdeals!) for a brand new 32GB N10 for $300, I had to jump on it. Yeah, it's over a year old, and it doesn't have the fastest specs compared to today's standards, but I didn't buy it run benchmarks on it. I don't even really play intense games either. My main uses are web-browsing, productivity apps and media consumption (mainly Blu-ray MKVs). And, obviously, since it's a Nexus, I can tinker to my heart's content.
One can easily say the Note 10.1 (2014) and Tab Pro 10.1 have better specs, but they both come running TouchWiz (which is a HUGE negative for me). Plus, I doubt development for either of these will ever come close to what the N10 has. My disdain for TouchWiz makes this decision even easier when looking at the prices of these tablets. With the 32GB Note 10.1 (2014) going for $550, and the 16GB Galaxy Tab Pro 10.1 (no 32GB option available) going for $450 (prices according to Amazon), I see a brand new 32GB N10 for $300 as nothing less than a no-brainer.
To wrap it up, even though Google may not be coming out with a new Nexus 10, I still feel comfortable buying one since the price is great, and I can see development continuing for this tablet for a good while. And worst-case scenario, if Google does come out with a new N10, I'll just sell my current one for an upgrade. If they don't, then I'll be glad I picked one up before it became unavailable.
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I could never get used to the ten inch Android form factor. Too awkward to hold IMO either landscape or portrait. And the dimensions at that size just look odd when viewing the screen for anything but videos. Bought a N10 and returned it days later. That said the Samsung Note 8 is ergonomically excellent and great for viewing in portrait mode. Just needs higher resolution and it would have it all. But I like mine all the same. Still I need a large format tablet which is why I own the iPad Air. Tremendously light and has an excellent screen. They chopped the bezel size which makes it feel small but they didn't shrink the screen. This really is a killer pad just from a hardware technical perspective. On the other hand, don't like the iOS but what can you do. Android really needs to change the ten inch form factor.
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Yep, iOS is a huge bore, but you're right that the iPad hardware can't be beat. I don't mind the Nexus 10 form factor, but I do think the 4:3 iPad is a little more manageable and Android should try out that aspect ratio, I don't know why they've always only done 16:9.
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I agree with you in that I highly doubt there will ever be a 2nd gen Nexus 10. This is actually what pushed me to finally order my new N10 last week. I've always wanted one, but couldn't justify paying $500 for a 32GB when it first came out. I had an HP TouchPad at the time running CM that was able to hold me over for a while. Then, after buying my N5, the speed (or lack thereof) of the TouchPad was really starting to make itself evident. I lucked out and scored a 32GB N7 (2013) from Staples for $170 back in January, and it's a great tablet, but I was really missing the 10" screen. So last week, when I saw a deal (shout out to Slickdeals!) for a brand new 32GB N10 for $300, I had to jump on it. Yeah, it's over a year old, and it doesn't have the fastest specs compared to today's standards, but I didn't buy it run benchmarks on it. I don't even really play intense games either. My main uses are web-browsing, productivity apps and media consumption (mainly Blu-ray MKVs). And, obviously, since it's a Nexus, I can tinker to my heart's content.
One can easily say the Note 10.1 (2014) and Tab Pro 10.1 have better specs, but they both come running TouchWiz (which is a HUGE negative for me). Plus, I doubt development for either of these will ever come close to what the N10 has. My disdain for TouchWiz makes this decision even easier when looking at the prices of these tablets. With the 32GB Note 10.1 (2014) going for $550, and the 16GB Galaxy Tab Pro 10.1 (no 32GB option available) going for $450 (prices according to Amazon), I see a brand new 32GB N10 for $300 as nothing less than a no-brainer.
To wrap it up, even though Google may not be coming out with a new Nexus 10, I still feel comfortable buying one since the price is great, and I can see development continuing for this tablet for a good while. And worst-case scenario, if Google does come out with a new N10, I'll just sell my current one for an upgrade. If they don't, then I'll be glad I picked one up before it became unavailable.
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Agree with all your points, the N10's specs have aged pretty well especially considering the speed at which Android moves. I bought mine at launch and it runs KitKat swiftly enough. I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't get any updates post KitKat but I'll just throw CM on it then. I agree Samsung's software is still a turn-off, if it wasn't for that (and the prices) the new Samsung tablets would be more of a consideration.
Either way, though, Google does use Nexus to push their own experience (especially with the Nexus 5), and for this reason and considering the importance of the full-size tablet market, I don't see how they can logically abandon it.
Google is notorious for dropping hardware and software that don't meet expected numbers.
As for people talking about hardware updates needed and how other tablets have the latest and greatest.
None of it really matters. The general consumer isn't going to notice a increase in performance from a nexus 10 to a figurative nexus 10v2.
It literally does not matter. What matters is the software that runs the tablet and the display it comes on. The end user will be more likely to upgrade their tablet for the best software implementation and UI over tech specs they don't understand. Samsung has got this down with all their spiffy software. They still have the best hardware but none of it is really mentioned because the target audience doesn't care. The tech specs are reserved for the geeks and power users.
From my perspective no amount of hardware updates will justify upgrading from the nexus 10 as it has one of the best display resolutions and the hardware to run it flawlessly. What is a bump up in ghz going to achieve for what I use my tablet for? Or an updated gpu for games I don't play?
I suppose it matters what you use your tablet for but my guess is the majority of users use it for Web browsing and watching videos in HD which the n10 does spectacularly. I don't game on mine but when I do I have no issues with it. I also find that the more complex a game is on a tablet, the less enjoyable it is. Games like angry birds is fun as it's intuitive of tablets. Anything FPS related and such is a pain. I have my extremely expensive desktop for those kinds of games.
So in conclusion my best theory is that Google did not meet their quota for the nexus 10, there isn't a high enough demand unlike their phone products, and unless they can find an actual reason to update their device, I. E. New android software that requires a certain hardware upgrades to use, they're going to be content with a device that companies are still competing with over a year later. The very fact that the nexus 10 still reigns at the top with new tablets being put into the market should say a lot about the thought that went into the n10.
If someone can explain in depth what another similar 10" tablet can do better than the nexus 10 because of hardware superiority I will retract my statement.
The only thing I can think of that would justify a new n10 is if it had native 3d vision support since it's an entertainment device. That's the only thing this device can't do that I can think of at the moment.
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Ditto...
Proud owner of the Nexus10
You couldnt have explained That any better
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Darnell_Chat_TN said:
Does not answer my question you've quoted. I'm asking about OTA updates for the current N10 if it hits 18 months and no new N10 is released. Sorry for not mentioning I'm asking regarding OTA updates.
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Still running my N10 I got when they first came out. As far as OTA updates go it's anyboy's guess if/and/or when an update for KitKat will come for the device. KitKat runs great on this device, even in it's stock form. Throw a custom on it and it's even better. I have compared mine to a couple of friend's newer tabs running stock KitKat. Runs just as good if not better in some cases even with it's "OLD" specs.
Just my opinion and input.
I'm still using my n10. I would love to upgrade, but there just isn't anything that makes me want to spend the money. The samsung tabs are laggy. The Asus tabs are buggy. The apple tabs are... apple.
i currently own a asus transformer tf700 which has serious i/o memory lag issues that require monthly flashing. i noticed some people seem to have the same problem with n9. whats the general consensus around here?
Get a Surface Pro 4 instead of Nexus 9. N9 let me down. It was laggy when on 5.0, 5.1 solved that. And recently, my N9 shows some signs of screen mess and buzzing when battery is low. Not sure if it's related to software or hardware.
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it really depends on what you want to do with it
Watch movies? get a tablet with a 16:9 resolution instead, this one is 4:3
just some reading? this tablet will do fine
Use it for the occasional stuff like word documents, some games etc? it will still do fine
Serious multitasking? dont even bother with this one
hate redraws or application closing due to running low on memory? again dont bother with this one.
All in all i have the device since it came out, android 6 improved battery life some but honestly its just 1 big disappointment device.
As for the post above me, the N9 and Surface Pro 4 aren't even comparable with each other, spec and price wise. (besides the fact its also 2 different OS systems)
All things aside, the biggest downfall for this device is its 2gb of memory and its rather crappy dual core socket. (wich performs exceptionally well in single-thread, just dont expect anything that has to do with multithread and multitasking)
as for the memory, with the amount of pixels this device has you will average 500~600mb ram just to load most assets. they really should have given this device 3gb memory.
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it really depends on what you want to do with it
Watch movies? get a tablet with a 16:9 resolution instead, this one is 4:3
just some reading? this tablet will do fine
Use it for the occasional stuff like word documents, some games etc? it will still do fine
Serious multitasking? dont even bother with this one
hate redraws or application closing due to running low on memory? again dont bother with this one.
All in all i have the device since it came out, android 6 improved battery life some but honestly its just 1 big disappointment device.
As for the post above me, the N9 and Surface Pro 4 aren't even comparable with each other, spec and price wise. (besides the fact its also 2 different OS systems)
All things aside, the biggest downfall for this device is its 2gb of memory and its rather crappy dual core socket. (wich performs exceptionally well in single-thread, just dont expect anything that has to do with multithread and multitasking)
as for the memory, with the amount of pixels this device has you will average 500~600mb ram just to load most assets. they really should have given this device 3gb memory.
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Yea i just bought for the black Friday sale 279$ for 32gig because 16 gig is just to small. But after looking thru a lot of these threads and seeing all the issues people have I'm seriously considering returning it. I have had every nexus device since the Galaxy nexus and im blown away by how many issues this device has and by the lack of development and just lack of general interest on the forums. 100$ more and i can get the Samsung tab S2 8.4, i actually really don't like Samsung design but with the lack of quality android tablets its either this or a ipad.
dislplin01 said:
Yea i just bought for the black Friday sale 279$ for 32gig because 16 gig is just to small. But after looking thru a lot of these threads and seeing all the issues people have I'm seriously considering returning it. I have had every nexus device since the Galaxy nexus and im blown away by how many issues this device has and by the lack of development and just lack of general interest on the forums. 100$ more and i can get the Samsung tab S2 8.4, i actually really don't like Samsung design but with the lack of quality android tablets its either this or a ipad.
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we also own a Samsung tab here wich has 3gb of memory, but frankly that device performance is even worse then the n9 due to samsungs bloatware. The only reason for a Samsung tab would be to buy it then flash cyanogenmod on it on something.
But yes, I do agree there is rather a lack of quality android tablets. tbh I might consider just buying a Surface tablet next, they start out at 500 bucks i believe, wich is like 50 bucks more then what i paid for the N9.
The reason I went with nexus devices is purely because they are as stock and bloatware free as possible, but the N9 in general is just bad. my 2012 N5 still performs fine.
We just have to hope for a N9 2016 or something with a quad core cpu (and that not being a nvidia tegra) and 3 or 4gb of memory.
GiantAxe said:
we also own a Samsung tab here wich has 3gb of memory, but frankly that device performance is even worse then the n9 due to samsungs bloatware. The only reason for a Samsung tab would be to buy it then flash cyanogenmod on it on something.
But yes, I do agree there is rather a lack of quality android tablets. tbh I might consider just buying a Surface tablet next, they start out at 500 bucks i believe, wich is like 50 bucks more then what i paid for the N9.
The reason I went with nexus devices is purely because they are as stock and bloatware free as possible, but the N9 in general is just bad. my 2012 N5 still performs fine.
We just have to hope for a N9 2016 or something with a quad core cpu (and that not being a nvidia tegra) and 3 or 4gb of memory.
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Yea thats why i went nexus too i have a lot of device's but nothing beats a stock version of Android with quick updates, i cant stand samsung bloatware, TouchWiz but it's hardware is the best out there. As far as the surface unless it's a work devise i wouldn't recommend it. I actually have a Dell Venue pro with Windows 10, full version has a beautiful screen fast processor actually quite beautiful tablet . But windows ten as a tablet is terrible if you are just using it to read and watch movies and basic stuff, especially if you are tied into the Google ecosystem. The lack of quality apps just makes it worse there are work arounds for most things but they can usually **** up and generally at the most importune times. I really tried to make it work cause i like the tablet but i just cant, that's why i got this but I'm weighing my options now after reading thru these forums.
I'm also looking to get this tablet haven't had a tablet since 2013 how are the tablet apps for Android?
GiantAxe said:
it really depends on what you want to do with it
Watch movies? get a tablet with a 16:9 resolution instead, this one is 4:3
just some reading? this tablet will do fine
Use it for the occasional stuff like word documents, some games etc? it will still do fine
Serious multitasking? dont even bother with this one
hate redraws or application closing due to running low on memory? again dont bother with this one.
All in all i have the device since it came out, android 6 improved battery life some but honestly its just 1 big disappointment device.
As for the post above me, the N9 and Surface Pro 4 aren't even comparable with each other, spec and price wise. (besides the fact its also 2 different OS systems)
All things aside, the biggest downfall for this device is its 2gb of memory and its rather crappy dual core socket. (wich performs exceptionally well in single-thread, just dont expect anything that has to do with multithread and multitasking)
as for the memory, with the amount of pixels this device has you will average 500~600mb ram just to load most assets. they really should have given this device 3gb memory.
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Dual core and 2GB RAM works very well for iOS. I don't expect that to mean much but there's no excuse for the performance issues really as a Nexus device is already stripped to bare essentials.
Why do I have no issues whatsoever with my n9!
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