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I just bought this phone the other day, after having an HTC Inspire for over a year. I really enjoyed the benefits of it being a sister phone of the Desire HD, such as really phenomenal ROM development.
I know that there aren't any sources released for this phone, but after using LordClockan's Ice Cold Sandwich, I just can't get used to this TouchWiz.
If anyone has started a project, I can help out with anything that I can.
If not, would anyone here like to try & help out?
My ROM building knowledge is non existent, but I'm dedicated to get this going.
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I sure hope so! I loved existz work on the Inspire!
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I sure hope so! I loved existz work on the Inspire!
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Him, TwistedUmbrella, and LordClockan's teamwork is a testament to the wonderful community her at XDA!
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I hope it's comming!
Have you tried the ICS roms that we DO have? They're not AOKP; but they run the AOSP stock apps and they've been themed well enough to be pretty damn close -- all while maintaining full s-pen capability, which is something even the CM9 folks can't claim yet (they don't have button functionality)...
Need kernel source first!!
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paleh0rse said:
Have you tried the ICS roms that we DO have? They're not AOKP; but they run the AOSP stock apps and they've been themed well enough to be pretty damn close -- all while maintaining full s-pen capability, which is something even the CM9 folks can't claim yet (they don't have button functionality)...
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I hate to disagree but they arent even close (no offense to current devs, this isnt their fault).
S-pen functionality needs either the source from Samsung or a new driver has to be written from scratch, which isnt worth the time or effort considering that Samsung likely will soon be releasing source for ICS (usually a few weeks after the OS is officially released).And, if he rumors are true, ICS should be official soon (however, to be clear, I dont believe ICS is coming any time soon).
The reason these other roms have S-Pen support is, surprise surprise, they COPIED large sections of code from the stock leaked release, where, conveniently, everything ALREADY WORKS!!
Stock apps will almost always work on ANY rom with little to no modification required, regardless of whether they are from an AOSP rom.
The current roms are heavily based on the leaked ICS rom with only small tweaks universal between nearly all roms, things like themes, lockscreens, sounds, animations, etc. are all pretty simple if you know what you are doing (something admittedly, I have not personally built a rom but Im very familiar with the process).
When Cyanogen (or possibly AOKP, Im not familiar with their roms and how they are developed) is released, we will begin to see true rom development begin to happen. Until there is source code from Samsung, we will continue to see roms with Touchwiz all over them.
To show you how easy this is, here is a link to have a bot build a rom for you for any of the Galaxy 1 or 2 phones.
http://romkitchen.org/
Click your phone choice (Galaxy 1 or 2 currently, the Note is NOT supported yet).
Click Generator in the upper right hand corner.
Use the six tabs across the top of the page to choose your Modem, Kernel, Theme, stock apps, etc.
Of course, this only gives you a base to work with, from there, its pretty easy to swap in or out what you want.
Think about it like this, I can give you a copy of Windows already pre-configured for your PC and them or customize it just by changing some registry entries and including the data files (wallpapers for example). The included drivers would be pre-built meaning that 'I' didnt actually write them, nor did I change much in Windows, all I did was provide the files containing the data and changed a few settings to link to the files.
Dsmforlife92 said:
Need kernel source first!!
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Not entirely true. I know some ICS roms that have been hacked to death to get at least partial functionality.
I'm thankful that some devs have taken their time to do what they have done, but what I am looking for hasn't been done.
AOKP is like AOSP, but more tweaks are added.
[edit] As for myself, I could care less about S Pen support. I haven't even used it, nor do I think I ever will. I got this phone for the monster sized screen.
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littlewierdo said:
I hate to disagree but they arent even close (no offense to current devs, this isnt their fault).
S-pen functionality needs either the source from Samsung or a new driver has to be written from scratch, which isnt worth the time or effort considering that Samsung likely will soon be releasing source for ICS (usually a few weeks after the OS is officially released).And, if he rumors are true, ICS should be official soon (however, to be clear, I dont believe ICS is coming any time soon).
The reason these other roms have S-Pen support is, surprise surprise, they COPIED large sections of code from the stock leaked release, where, conveniently, everything ALREADY WORKS!!
Stock apps will almost always work on ANY rom with little to no modification required, regardless of whether they are from an AOSP rom.
The current roms are heavily based on the leaked ICS rom with only small tweaks universal between nearly all roms, things like themes, lockscreens, sounds, animations, etc. are all pretty simple if you know what you are doing (something admittedly, I have not personally built a rom but Im very familiar with the process).
When Cyanogen (or possibly AOKP, Im not familiar with their roms and how they are developed) is released, we will begin to see true rom development begin to happen. Until there is source code from Samsung, we will continue to see roms with Touchwiz all over them.
To show you how easy this is, here is a link to have a bot build a rom for you for any of the Galaxy 1 or 2 phones.
http://romkitchen.org/
Click your phone choice (Galaxy 1 or 2 currently, the Note is NOT supported yet).
Click Generator in the upper right hand corner.
Use the six tabs across the top of the page to choose your Modem, Kernel, Theme, stock apps, etc.
Of course, this only gives you a base to work with, from there, its pretty easy to swap in or out what you want.
Think about it like this, I can give you a copy of Windows already pre-configured for your PC and them or customize it just by changing some registry entries and including the data files (wallpapers for example). The included drivers would be pre-built meaning that 'I' didnt actually write them, nor did I change much in Windows, all I did was provide the files containing the data and changed a few settings to link to the files.
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I appreciate the explanation, but you're not telling me anything I don't already know. I was just saying that our current roms have been themed/tweaked well enough to look like AOSP, so they're not that bad; and, you don't really have to deal with touchwiz annoyances anymore if you don't want to -- trebuchet, apex, and nova all work well.
CM9 or AOKP they're not, but they're exceptional given the single source-less leak we have right now... and they certainly blow away stock touchwiz GB! lol
littlewierdo said:
I hate to disagree but they arent even close (no offense to current devs, this isnt their fault).
S-pen functionality needs either the source from Samsung or a new driver has to be written from scratch, which isnt worth the time or effort considering that Samsung likely will soon be releasing source for ICS (usually a few weeks after the OS is officially released).And, if he rumors are true, ICS should be official soon (however, to be clear, I dont believe ICS is coming any time soon).
The reason these other roms have S-Pen support is, surprise surprise, they COPIED large sections of code from the stock leaked release, where, conveniently, everything ALREADY WORKS!!
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Pen apparently works in the CM9 build for the international note. Haven't looked at the source myself yet, but it is probably just the standard wacom driver.
zonyl said:
Pen apparently works in the CM9 build for the international note. Haven't looked at the source myself yet, but it is probably just the standard wacom driver.
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AFAIK, they haven't gotten the button to work yet, but it's promising.
Its going to take a lot kf time and effort and prob a group effort to get aosp or aokp roms for our phone. I believe the reason skyrocket and 989 have it is because they have had a lot of devs working together for long time on it. I can get a booted aosp rom hut no sound no camera no data. So theres a lot of work needed to be done
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so at the end of the day, will any of the new touchwiz features be added to the developer roms? i feel like an uneducated idiot for even asking the question, but i guess i dont know how much yall are capable of doing when it comes to things like this. i know in the past, cm7 for example, touchwiz features were not prevalent.
most specifically, will the gs2 be capable of getting the pop up video and s-voice. aokp and nova is starting to grow on me and i find it pointless to buy the gs3 and then slap a custom rom over all of that new software goodness.
I would imagine that would be possible.. But forst things first.. Wr have to waot for a system dump then well know if its possible
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Some devs in the general section announced that indeed they plan to implement those features (not called by name) and yes if possible even bring them to other devices (CM).
So this is one of the very first results that comes up when you search verizon galaxy note 2 on google.
I am considering getting the note 2 on verizon soon and I was wondering how the experience differs from the other carriers.. I heard the multi window supports fewer apps on verizon, and MANY other important features are said to be missing in the comments.
Does the development community have any solutions or ROMs that puts VZW on equal footing with the other carriers? The coverage and speed are obviously better on vzw, but just trying to be thorough and it's hard to tell without having the phone in hand.
Yes. With root and unlock it's on pretty much equal footing with everyone on software. Equal with Sprint on hardware as there's no wireless charging - unless you cut holes for the contacts in the plastic backing on top of the mobo.
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So this is one of the very first results that comes up when you search verizon galaxy note 2 on google.
I am considering getting the note 2 on verizon soon and I was wondering how the experience differs from the other carriers.. I heard the multi window supports fewer apps on verizon, and MANY other important features are said to be missing in the comments.
Does the development community have any solutions or ROMs that puts VZW on equal footing with the other carriers? The coverage and speed are obviously better on vzw, but just trying to be thorough and it's hard to tell without having the phone in hand.
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Welp, that's Verizon for ya. And I like how the thread was locked down. Smh Verizon.
Anyways, if you are planning on rooting your Note, there's a mod to have any app added to the Multi Window feature.
Here's a solid solution: Flash CleanROM 3.5, which is based on the International Android 4.1.2 base, which has a ton of features added that weren't originally on any Android 4.1.1 base from any carrier. On top of that, you get the Multi Window feature mod.
This is why we have a development community - so evil carriers like this don't completely shut us down and treat us like peasants.
I'd say the developers here have been GREAT! I haven't dabbled in other note 2 forums or the like but I'm using Clean Rom VZW 1.0 and just love it.
I don't see anything that i would want missing.
DroidOnRoids said:
Welp, that's Verizon for ya. And I like how the thread was locked down. Smh Verizon.
Anyways, if you are planning on rooting your Note, there's a mod to have any app added to the Multi Window feature.
Here's a solid solution: Flash CleanROM 3.5, which is based on the International Android 4.1.2 base, which has a ton of features added that weren't originally on any Android 4.1.1 base from any carrier. On top of that, you get the Multi Window feature mod.
This is why we have a development community - so evil carriers like this don't completely shut us down and treat us like peasants.
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Truth. Who knows how long it'll be before Verizon gets off their asses and sends out the 4.1.2 update to us.
Hell, I will bet money that things they took out of our phones that should have been stock, will be touted as being new features provided to us the peasants all thanks to Verizon Wireless. Ha... ha... ha..... Verizon you make me sad.
DaRkL3AD3R said:
Truth. Who knows how long it'll be before Verizon gets off their asses and sends out the 4.1.2 update to us.
Hell, I will bet money that things they took out of our phones that should have been stock, will be touted as being new features provided to us the peasants all thanks to Verizon Wireless. Ha... ha... ha..... Verizon you make me sad.
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Wanna know why I haven't bothered with 4.1.2?
Because the differences between 4.1.1 and 4.1.2 are stupidly minor.
4.1.1 to 4.1.2 deep down brings nothing to the table for us. It might for touchwiz, but the actual base Android OS sees little improvement overall. As for Touchwiz, we already have some of the updates in 4.1.1 on our variant.
http://www.androidcentral.com/inter...-get-android-412-update-new-touchwiz-features
From the article:
The biggest changes seem to be focused around the top of the screen. The notification shade is now customizable, so if you're not a fan of extraneous toggles and brightness dials, you can turn them off. If you keep your notification shade quick-controls, you'll notice new additions such as the ability to toggle the multi-window feature on and off. The notification bar itself has also changed slightly, going from grey back to black. And the lock screen's been changed up a little, with a new, optional ink effect in the on-screen "pool" when unlocking the device.
Web browser performance improvements are also noted, although we've always found Samsung's stock browser to be pretty fast. And finally, there's also a new Group Cast app for sharing music and photos with other Samsung device owners.
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As you can see, we already have most of that (I highlighted it).
Back to 4.1.2:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...4-1-2-at-the-low-level-developer-commit-logs/
The only reason 4.1.2 was released is because it contained a mandatory software update for new Nexus 7 hardware revisions (dealing with power management hardware) and the new N7's releasing wouldn't run on 4.1.1. Otherwise, Google could have easily just waited until 4.2 with the changes.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...id-4-1-2-update-being-released-to-aosp-today/
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So this is one of the very first results that comes up when you search verizon galaxy note 2 on google.
I am considering getting the note 2 on verizon soon and I was wondering how the experience differs from the other carriers.. I heard the multi window supports fewer apps on verizon, and MANY other important features are said to be missing in the comments.
Does the development community have any solutions or ROMs that puts VZW on equal footing with the other carriers? The coverage and speed are obviously better on vzw, but just trying to be thorough and it's hard to tell without having the phone in hand.
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I wouldn't say MANY. You have to look at other US Note 2 variants too. Tmobile and ATT didn't even ship with mulitwindow and are just now getting it. Welcome to the world of US carrier control.
Another placebo effect with 4.1.2.
As for the note 2 on verizon, once rooted/unlocked, its great.
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lostnuke said:
Another placebo effect with 4.1.2.
As for the note 2 on verizon, once rooted/unlocked, its great.
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Working with AOSP for a year, you get a really good feeling for just how much placebo is out there, when you get to see the nitty gritty in actual changes.
I miss my gnex. I don't miss its poor signal and battery life though.
4.1.1 to 4.1.2 is crazy minor and has no noticeable effect to most people.
4.2 to 4.2.1 is another one, and pointless if you are CDMA and already fixed the contacts bug yourself.
Yet, on both of those updates, people saw miraculous changes in performance and stability
adrynalyne said:
Wanna know why I haven't bothered with 4.1.2?
Because the differences between 4.1.1 and 4.1.2 are stupidly minor.
4.1.1 to 4.1.2 deep down brings nothing to the table for us. It might for touchwiz, but the actual base Android OS sees little improvement overall .
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...4-1-2-at-the-low-level-developer-commit-logs/
The only reason 4.1.2 was released is because it contained a mandatory software update for new Nexus 7 hardware revisions (dealing with power management hardware) and the new N7's releasing wouldn't run on 4.1.1. Otherwise, Google could have easily just waited until 4.2 with the changes.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...id-4-1-2-update-being-released-to-aosp-today/
I wouldn't say MANY. You have to look at other US Note 2 variants too. Tmobile and ATT didn't even ship with mulitwindow and are just now getting it. Welcome to the world of US carrier control.
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I guess you didn't read about how the update to AT&T/US Cellular Note 2s which included 4.1.2 also happened to fix the missing auto-correction in the Samsung keyboard, and 240p/480p flash videos display corruption.
Both are huge to me, and probably many other people (the keyboard one especially.)
Just because the update includes a bump in Android firmware doesn't mean that's what I'm looking forward to. So yes, it does matter and the sooner we get it the better. And my point about Verizon failing hard at updating devices (not just to change their build number) still stands.
DaRkL3AD3R said:
I guess you didn't read about how the update to AT&T/US Cellular Note 2s which included 4.1.2 also happened to fix the missing auto-correction in the Samsung keyboard, and 240p/480p flash videos display corruption.
Both are huge to me, and probably many other people (the keyboard one especially.)
Just because the update includes a bump in Android firmware doesn't mean that's what I'm looking forward to. So yes, it does matter and the sooner we get it the better. And my point about Verizon failing hard at updating devices (not just to change their build number) still stands.
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Flash isn't supported in Jellybean, so that is not something I am concerned with. As for the Samsung keyboard autocorrect, that again is pretty minor when you can sideload a superior-in-every-way keyboard.
Both of those are third party issues, and not worthy of an OS bump. That is my point. Its a minor (in every way) update. Yeah, Verizon sucks on updates, but people will whine about anything. You knew that going in, and hey, at least we saw multiwindow before ATT or Tmobile. Some of the touchwiz features we even saw before the International version.
Someone wake me when Samsung releases 4.2. Then I will be interested.
adrynalyne said:
Wanna know why I haven't bothered with 4.1.2?
Because the differences between 4.1.1 and 4.1.2 are stupidly minor.
4.1.1 to 4.1.2 deep down brings nothing to the table for us. It might for touchwiz, but the actual base Android OS sees little improvement overall. As for Touchwiz, we already have some of the updates in 4.1.1 on our variant.
http://www.androidcentral.com/inter...-get-android-412-update-new-touchwiz-features
From the article:
As you can see, we already have most of that (I highlighted it).
Back to 4.1.2:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...4-1-2-at-the-low-level-developer-commit-logs/
The only reason 4.1.2 was released is because it contained a mandatory software update for new Nexus 7 hardware revisions (dealing with power management hardware) and the new N7's releasing wouldn't run on 4.1.1. Otherwise, Google could have easily just waited until 4.2 with the changes.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...id-4-1-2-update-being-released-to-aosp-today/
I wouldn't say MANY. You have to look at other US Note 2 variants too. Tmobile and ATT didn't even ship with mulitwindow and are just now getting it. Welcome to the world of US carrier control.
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are you able to multi-window any app in 4.1.2 on the note 2? On the 10.1 we have to be running 4.1.2 for the multi-window because of something that changed. On 4.1.1 you have to edit each app.
I don't know a lot about coding, but that is big for me. I know on the note 2, most custom ROMs have this ability already, but the dev section of the 10.1 is pretty lean at the moment. Guess all the devs got nexus 7's and 10's.
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are you able to multi-window any app in 4.1.2 on the note 2? On the 10.1 we have to be running 4.1.2 for the multi-window because of something that changed. On 4.1.1 you have to edit each app.
I don't know a lot about coding, but that is big for me. I know on the note 2, most custom ROMs have this ability already, but the dev section of the 10.1 is pretty lean at the moment. Guess all the devs got nexus 7's and 10's.
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Not even the international version can multiwindow any app without outside modification.
adrynalyne said:
Flash isn't supported in Jellybean, so that is not something I am concerned with. As for the Samsung keyboard autocorrect, that again is pretty minor when you can sideload a superior-in-every-way keyboard.
Both of those are third party issues, and not worthy of an OS bump. That is my point. Its a minor (in every way) update. Yeah, Verizon sucks on updates, but people will whine about anything. You knew that going in, and hey, at least we saw multiwindow before ATT or Tmobile. Some of the touchwiz features we even saw before the International version.
Someone wake me when Samsung releases 4.2. Then I will be interested.
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Damn man so pessimistic lol
I love that flash still works. And the fact that Samsung actually took the time to fix it in their update means they care too.
As for the keyboard, I enjoy my extra row of numbers and see nothing wrong with it. The only reason I use the stock AOSP 4.2 keyboard right now is because it has auto-correct working. Otherwise, yeah I'd be using that Touchwiz goodness.
I'm not interested in the bump to 4.1.2. **** I wish they would just hotfix these two minor things without lumping it into a firmware update so I could enjoy these fixes without waiting months for Verizon. Unfortunately it is what it is and there's no reason for you to be defending them. I mean really, what point are you trying to make? We know 4.1.2 doesn't do much of anything for us, it's just a lot easier for us to say "we're waiting for 4.1.2 update" rather than "we're waiting for the update that fixes x y and z"
Cool story bro?
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Not even the international version can multiwindow any app without outside modification.
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I know, but someone developed an app that allows you to choose which apps you want to multi-window, save, reboot and done. Most apps work.
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I know, but someone developed an app that allows you to choose which apps you want to multi-window, save, reboot and done. Most apps work.
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Right. But that is not due to 4.1.2.
That same app is in the development forum here.
DaRkL3AD3R said:
Damn man so pessimistic lol
I love that flash still works. And the fact that Samsung actually took the time to fix it in their update means they care too.
As for the keyboard, I enjoy my extra row of numbers and see nothing wrong with it. The only reason I use the stock AOSP 4.2 keyboard right now is because it has auto-correct working. Otherwise, yeah I'd be using that Touchwiz goodness.
I'm not interested in the bump to 4.1.2. **** I wish they would just hotfix these two minor things without lumping it into a firmware update so I could enjoy these fixes without waiting months for Verizon. Unfortunately it is what it is and there's no reason for you to be defending them. I mean really, what point are you trying to make? We know 4.1.2 doesn't do much of anything for us, it's just a lot easier for us to say "we're waiting for 4.1.2 update" rather than "we're waiting for the update that fixes x y and z"
Cool story bro?
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Not so much as pessimistic, but a hardened Verizon veteran that has seen too many wars with them.
That and a year on the Galaxy Nexus has shown me that newer isn't always better, 4.2 is a train wreck. By the time we see it, I hope the issues are worked out.
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Right. But that is not due to 4.1.2.
That same app is in the development forum here.
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That app only works on 4.1.2, not 4.0.4 or 4.1.1. You can't even install the app on those firmwares. He says either google or Samsung added something to make adding multiwindow easier for devs.
Here's the thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2079807
Like I said, I don't understand the functions of it, just know that it works on 4.1.2 and nothing else.
adrynalyne said:
Not so much as pessimistic, but a hardened Verizon veteran that has seen too many wars with them.
That and a year on the Galaxy Nexus has shown me that newer isn't always better, 4.2 is a train wreck. By the time we see it, I hope the issues are worked out.
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Wait, you mean the 4.2 update to the Nexus phone that Verizon has yet to even put out? lawl gotta laugh. I've seen plenty of wars with Verizon myself but I see no reason to argue with users about why they should not look forward to fixes reaching their device, and the greedy ****s who slow that process down for them.
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That app only works on 4.1.2, not 4.0.4 or 4.1.1. You can't even install the app on those firmwares. He says either google or Samsung added something to make adding multiwindow easier for devs.
Here's the thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2079807
Like I said, I don't understand the functions of it, just know that it works on 4.1.2 and nothing else.
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Are we talking about the same thing?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2045974
Right at the top, it shows our 4.1.1 release as the supported version.
This guy was able to get it done. Not sure why the other guy couldn't.
DaRkL3AD3R said:
Wait, you mean the 4.2 update to the Nexus phone that Verizon has yet to even put out? lawl gotta laugh. I've seen plenty of wars with Verizon myself but I see no reason to argue with users about why they should not look forward to fixes reaching their device, and the greedy ****s who slow that process down for them.
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Is there something wrong with 4.1.1. that you NEED an update once google updates? 4.2.1 is still broken. Why do you think sometimes there is a delay from when google pushes an update to when you see it. Its more then just Verizon. If verizon put out the 4.2.1. update now for the nexus people would be calling left and right saying that their phone is rebooting when updating apps from the market, especially when you modify the lock screen widgets. No way verizon would approve something still broken.
Which do you prefer and why?
I prefer stock touchwiz, 100% reliable and the TW camera takes better pictures than AOSP.
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There is already a thread discussing this, though it has been derailed by the asinine "battery life" talk. Why people want to see how many days their phone can go without charging it I don't know.
I prefer aosp, but I use TW more because so far voice dialing over BT doesn't work on aosp and the volume is very low.
The theme engines on aosp as well as the reassigning soft button functions are very nice features.
I hardly use the s-pen or the multi window.
I prefer AOKP (AOSP) simply because of the look and certain functionality... You have a lot more features in AOKP than TW. But it also depends on the TW based ROM you install.. If you like the s-note and multi windows functions of TW you're better off with that ROM but things like ribbons soft keys 4.2.+ only apps (dash clock for example) and general UI themes, if you like that and can sacrifice the volume and the aforementioned calling over BT than AOKP is the way to go.. But over all stability and stock features that identify this phone as a Note 2, then a TW based ROM is what you want.. I recommend Jellybeans ROM
To be honest. It really depends on the user. Samsung spent a lot of time putting in features for their own version of Android. SPen functions that work for the people that use them and extras that keep the phone at the for front of app ability. If you have no intention of using the phone for what it was built for,love the essential specs then AOSP is for you. I myself like the functions and capability of Sammy in this aspect. As a long time HTC lover and Avid Sammy hater, have come to like the built in Samsung features. I love to hate this phone. As a person that is currently with a group of others suing Sammy over the Behold. I actually like this phone. Like all other companies, Samsung has created a very decent hardware phone and the feature set from them has made it work even better. Do I miss my HTC Sense features. OF course. Sense makes phones easy. But I've learned to make it work for me. End result, AOSP is too bland and short for me. I like ANDROID because I can make it my own. Customization is almost as easy on this is the same as others. I don't like Samsung's blatant Apple icon copy, but I know how to make it my own.
I prefer TW
I prefer AOSP, but until there's no gps issues I don't run it all the time. A lot Iof people say there are work a rounds, but I've learned from other phones that if gps isn't 100% working it'll mess up when you really need it even if it has been working. I really love multi window but not enough to overcome everything I hate about touchwiz.
TW until PA3.5 is ported I use multi windows too much and as far as I know the sammy keyboard is the only one that supports one-handed operation AND swype.
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TW. I cant live without multiwindow
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To be honest. It really depends on the user. Samsung spent a lot of time putting in features for their own version of Android. SPen functions that work for the people that use them and extras that keep the phone at the for front of app ability. If you have no intention of using the phone for what it was built for,love the essential specs then AOSP is for you. I myself like the functions and capability of Sammy in this aspect. As a long time HTC lover and Avid Sammy hater, have come to like the built in Samsung features. I love to hate this phone. As a person that is currently with a group of others suing Sammy over the Behold. I actually like this phone. Like all other companies, Samsung has created a very decent hardware phone and the feature set from them has made it work even better. Do I miss my HTC Sense features. OF course. Sense makes phones easy. But I've learned to make it work for me. End result, AOSP is too bland and short for me. I like ANDROID because I can make it my own. Customization is almost as easy on this is the same as others. I don't like Samsung's blatant Apple icon copy, but I know how to make it my own.
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So let me get this straight. You hate Samsung, and you are commenting on a Note 2 Poll, you own the Note 2 and are a part of a group suing Samsung, but you say you love to hate this phone and later say you " I actually like this phone" And you say you prefer HTC but your sig reveals that you use a Rezound, which is not a very good HTC phone... pardon me but can I have some of what your smoking:silly:
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So let me get this straight. You hate Samsung, and you are commenting on a Note 2 Poll, you own the Note 2 and are a part of a group suing Samsung, but you say you love to hate this phone and later say you " I actually like this phone" And you say you prefer HTC but your sig reveals that you use a Rezound, which is not a very good HTC phone... pardon me but can I have some of what your smoking:silly:
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Have you read why there is a lawsuit against Samsung for the Behold "scandal"?
Check it out:
http://gizmodo.com/5549228/samsung-behold-ii-users-consider-suing-over-android-20-snub
In my mind that's a frivolous lawsuit.....
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They pulled an Apple.
shangrila500 said:
Have you read why there is a lawsuit against Samsung for the Behold "scandal"?
Check it out:
http://gizmodo.com/5549228/samsung-behold-ii-users-consider-suing-over-android-20-snub
In my mind that's a frivolous lawsuit.....
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shangrila500 said:
Have you read why there is a lawsuit against Samsung for the Behold "scandal"?
Check it out:
http://gizmodo.com/5549228/samsung-behold-ii-users-consider-suing-over-android-20-snub
In my mind that's a frivolous lawsuit.....
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And here I thought I was an idiot for buying a Droid Eris for my first Android phone :laugh:
Dang that Behold is an old phone released in 2008. Here I thought my 2010 Epic 4G is old.
AOSP doesnt show my external sd card
Just to throw out my 2 cents..... Coming from a GNex, I was running 4.2.2 and thought it was great. I was due for an upgrade and got the Note 2. I thought I was taking a step back with 4.1.2, but I have to say, everything just works! No issues with GPS anymore, no battery drain (although there is no comparison to the battery of the gnex next to the note 2). I am reluctant to flash anything 4.2.2, because I don't want to have to worry if the things I need my phone to do for both work and personal use is going to work. I have to say, I would love to flash a couple AOSP roms, they look like they are making progress on the bugs by leaps and bounds, but until I can "count" on 99% of my phone working without issue..... Ima sticking to touchwiz based roms.
I prefer TW because of two main reasons.
1. Group texting
2. Better radio
With AOSP based roms, I get a constant roaming message at home. I don't get service here and have a network extender. Don't have this roaming issue with TW based stuff.
Group texting just doesnt work on AOSP. Yes I have the settings for group texting checked and all that I've read states that group texting works in 4.2.2 but I surely haven't seen it work.
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Touchwiz for the fact I need to everything to function properly on my device. I use to play with AOSP alot but these days TW is spot on and all I use. I do like AOSP 4.2.2 on my Transformer...its my new crack flash device.
Hate to say it but looks like some Note 2 TW devs are leaving the phone. Seems they are vanishing weekly. Too bad because there were some great ROMs out there and I hate to see some of them go for the VZW variant. Really sad that VZW and Samsung are making things so difficult for devs these days. Makes me wonder if they left it open just long enough to steal hard working dev ideas for themselves without having to pay an R&D department to test the OS. Looks like AOSP 4.3 ROMs are starting to take off though, and with the addition of the App Bar, Halo and a host of other mods by great devs we still have a few options. That coupled with great mod apps in the Play Store you can almost get the TW experience with AOSP now.
Or maybe they are moving on to other projects until we get the 4.3 TW update. Then, hopefully some of them will return and develop for one of the top devices still on the market. The Note 3 will most likely be locked down like the S4 so I am thinking the Note 2 may be the last great Samsung device open to rooting and having the ability to flash custom ROMs.
To all the devs that made (or still making) great TW ROMs for our VZW Note 2, thanks for all your hard work. I know I have enjoyed being able to try different ROMs and tinkering with them. You all deserve donations and our gratitude. You guys and gals make the Android experience enjoyable for all of us.
I'm sure they will be back when we get the 4.3 update. This is the only phone that has an unlockable bootloader, with TW on verizon that's actually decent.
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I'm sure they will be back when we get the 4.3 update. This is the only phone that has an unlockable bootloader, with TW on verizon that's actually decent.
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Hopefully thats the case. Or it may be time to switch carriers. Kinda tired of VZW and their procedures anyway.
If I could I'd leave for an att mnvo but I can't
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BennyJr said:
I'm sure they will be back when we get the 4.3 update. This is the only phone that has an unlockable bootloader, with TW on verizon that's actually decent.
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What's wrong with the s3?
I'm sure the s4 will have an unlocked bootloader soon, especially with the 3k+ bounty.
TBH, this is what always happens. it makes sense that the devs move back to the latest phone. plus the note 3 is coming out soon too, so, yeah, pretty sure what happened to the s3 will happen to the note 2.
at first I really liked TW, but then I switched to the PACman rom and I haven't looked back. the features on TW are nice, but honestly I don't use them that much. i know every user varies, but there are a lot of apps out there that replace TW functionality. I really haven't noticed since switching. I just was unhappy being on 4.1.
As a TW ROM author for the S3 I can tell you guys TW has its limits and there is only so much we can do so we are all awaiting the 4.3 upgrade. We can mess around with themes and included apps, inverting things, but there are limits. It is not like TW has a nightly source code to keep building from. Just be patient and maybe play with some different themes.
Also keep in mind that the xposed framework has removed a lot of the necessity for a true custom rom as it does just about everything that previously had to be hardcoded in. Most custom roms anymore are really just themes with xposed installed by default.
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What's wrong with the s3?
I'm sure the s4 will have an unlocked bootloader soon, especially with the 3k+ bounty.
TBH, this is what always happens. it makes sense that the devs move back to the latest phone. plus the note 3 is coming out soon too, so, yeah, pretty sure what happened to the s3 will happen to the note 2.
at first I really liked TW, but then I switched to the PACman rom and I haven't looked back. the features on TW are nice, but honestly I don't use them that much. i know every user varies, but there are a lot of apps out there that replace TW functionality. I really haven't noticed since switching. I just was unhappy being on 4.1.
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The S4 wont be unlocked...however Im sure something like Kexec or Safestrap will be used to work around the Locked Bootloader. If you read into the details of Qualcomm processors and qfuses, you will quickly learn its pretty much impossible.
JB is still a very active rom, as is Nebula. One of the problems I have run into is that many of the roms are built on the international base. Cleanrom was the perfect rom for me but unfortunately Scott has moved on.
Jellybeans = very active, but I personally seem to always have little issues, I have however never seen anyone else with them.
Cleanrom = dead, but rock solid stable for me
Transnebula = Great support, and very active, however the tab UI just does not work for me... I would KILL to have these guys put together something like clean rom but with floating multiwindow. (One of the devs is also f&*(ing Batman in disguise I swear, listening to his gadget list is bloody awesome)
Lab Rats = a theme beast, but I am not really into theming, seems to me there is always something not quite right with custom themes.
There are also a few international based roms that are very active.
Edit: Oh yeah, also beware flashing Lab Rats at work unless you want your co-workers making fun of you for the boot up sound
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As a TW ROM author for the S3 I can tell you guys TW has its limits and there is only so much we can do so we are all awaiting the 4.3 upgrade. We can mess around with themes and included apps, inverting things, but there are limits. It is not like TW has a nightly source code to keep building from. Just be patient and maybe play with some different themes.
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Agreed. I actually missed my GS3 for about 2 months until the N2 ROMs started picking up. Now I'm digging PAC Man 4.3 and can't wait to see what happens with TW 4.3. Just hope the devs migrate back eventually. The N2 is a great device.
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Morkai Almandragon said:
JB is still a very active rom, as is Nebula. One of the problems I have run into is that many of the roms are built on the international base. Cleanrom was the perfect rom for me but unfortunately Scott has moved on.
Jellybeans = very active, but I personally seem to always have little issues, I have however never seen anyone else with them.
Cleanrom = dead, but rock solid stable for me
Transnebula = Great support, and very active, however the tab UI just does not work for me... I would KILL to have these guys put together something like clean rom but with floating multiwindow. (One of the devs is also f&*(ing Batman in disguise I swear, listening to his gadget list is bloody awesome)
Lab Rats = a theme beast, but I am not really into theming, seems to me there is always something not quite right with custom themes.
There are also a few international based roms that are very active.
Edit: Oh yeah, also beware flashing Lab Rats at work unless you want your co-workers making fun of you for the boot up sound
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Beans just got a Moto X so I hope he builds for the N2 still after 4.3 drops.
Haven't tried Trans yet. Not a big tablet UI fan.
Still need to try the newest Lab Rats
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Real_JESRadio said:
Beans just got a Moto X so I hope he builds for the N2 still after 4.3 drops.
Haven't tried Trans yet. Not a big tablet UI fan.
Still need to try the newest Lab Rats
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I could not imagine going from the Note 2 to the Moto X lol
We have patches to run roms from other carriers, as well as rock solid roms that work flawlessly. X posed has opened up almost endless possibilities, and active themers(<is this even a word?) )help the look of a lot of the roms we do have. One of the best things we have is a bunch of good natured members willing to help, and learn. This goes a long way. New developers are born every day. Some will leave, some will stay. Heck Deckoz just started. Trans nebula is his first rom. This phone is a nice piece of kit, and unless I can get a xperia xl super cheap, and working flawless on Verizon, then I am staying put for awhile. You guys are stuck with me.
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I could not imagine going from the Note 2 to the Moto X lol
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Honestly it's a gorgeous device. Almost pure android on it, some nice moto features. I would get it if I didn't have a note. It's honestly still in the back of my mind to get one. It's smaller yeah but it's got a really nice feel in the hand. Very smooth running device
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Feel the same as the op but remaining hopeful and patient. Really sad to see cleanrom go and nothing really along those lines. I like beans also and not sure how much more he can do with it until there's a 4.3 to work off of. I've been messing with nova themes and other mods to keep me busy. That and just enjoying the phone with what we have.
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Nova and the host of goodies and apps has made the TW experience more enjoyable until 4.3 drops. I realize the TW devs are limited until the next update. Heck I flashed back to Beans just to mess with X Posed since I really never have in TW roms.
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SSLauncher is pretty cool as well. Looking forward to trying all kinds of possibilities.
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ExFAT and AOSP
kennyglass123 said:
As a TW ROM author for the S3 I can tell you guys TW has its limits and there is only so much we can do so we are all awaiting the 4.3 upgrade. We can mess around with themes and included apps, inverting things, but there are limits. It is not like TW has a nightly source code to keep building from. Just be patient and maybe play with some different themes.
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Kenny,
Since your are reading ( and cleaning- thanks!) a lot of posts I wonder if you have seen any ExFat support for AOSP roms.Actually I want to be able to format a 64GB sandisk and be able see all ( most) of 64G and be able to put files larger than 4G.
Any AOSP roms/kernels with such support?
Many thanks
Abe
abe_cedar said:
Kenny,
Since your are reading ( and cleaning- thanks!) a lot of posts I wonder if you have seen any ExFat support for AOSP roms.Actually I want to be able to format a 64GB sandisk and be able see all ( most) of 64G and be able to put files larger than 4G.
Any AOSP roms/kernels with such support?
Many thanks
Abe
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Looks like it is mostly CM 10.1 support but found these : http://forum.xda-developers.com/sitesearch.php?q=Exfat on cM
Updates are great, but since TW has its own limitations and we've had 4.1.2 for how long now? Tweaks can only be so tweaky! 4.3 will breathe alot of new life into our phone. I am not upgrading to the N3 lest something makes it more desirable. But seeing that we get the same update it will have, I am willing to wait a month to see what happens.