Which do you prefer and why?
I prefer stock touchwiz, 100% reliable and the TW camera takes better pictures than AOSP.
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There is already a thread discussing this, though it has been derailed by the asinine "battery life" talk. Why people want to see how many days their phone can go without charging it I don't know.
I prefer aosp, but I use TW more because so far voice dialing over BT doesn't work on aosp and the volume is very low.
The theme engines on aosp as well as the reassigning soft button functions are very nice features.
I hardly use the s-pen or the multi window.
I prefer AOKP (AOSP) simply because of the look and certain functionality... You have a lot more features in AOKP than TW. But it also depends on the TW based ROM you install.. If you like the s-note and multi windows functions of TW you're better off with that ROM but things like ribbons soft keys 4.2.+ only apps (dash clock for example) and general UI themes, if you like that and can sacrifice the volume and the aforementioned calling over BT than AOKP is the way to go.. But over all stability and stock features that identify this phone as a Note 2, then a TW based ROM is what you want.. I recommend Jellybeans ROM
To be honest. It really depends on the user. Samsung spent a lot of time putting in features for their own version of Android. SPen functions that work for the people that use them and extras that keep the phone at the for front of app ability. If you have no intention of using the phone for what it was built for,love the essential specs then AOSP is for you. I myself like the functions and capability of Sammy in this aspect. As a long time HTC lover and Avid Sammy hater, have come to like the built in Samsung features. I love to hate this phone. As a person that is currently with a group of others suing Sammy over the Behold. I actually like this phone. Like all other companies, Samsung has created a very decent hardware phone and the feature set from them has made it work even better. Do I miss my HTC Sense features. OF course. Sense makes phones easy. But I've learned to make it work for me. End result, AOSP is too bland and short for me. I like ANDROID because I can make it my own. Customization is almost as easy on this is the same as others. I don't like Samsung's blatant Apple icon copy, but I know how to make it my own.
I prefer TW
I prefer AOSP, but until there's no gps issues I don't run it all the time. A lot Iof people say there are work a rounds, but I've learned from other phones that if gps isn't 100% working it'll mess up when you really need it even if it has been working. I really love multi window but not enough to overcome everything I hate about touchwiz.
TW until PA3.5 is ported I use multi windows too much and as far as I know the sammy keyboard is the only one that supports one-handed operation AND swype.
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TW. I cant live without multiwindow
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To be honest. It really depends on the user. Samsung spent a lot of time putting in features for their own version of Android. SPen functions that work for the people that use them and extras that keep the phone at the for front of app ability. If you have no intention of using the phone for what it was built for,love the essential specs then AOSP is for you. I myself like the functions and capability of Sammy in this aspect. As a long time HTC lover and Avid Sammy hater, have come to like the built in Samsung features. I love to hate this phone. As a person that is currently with a group of others suing Sammy over the Behold. I actually like this phone. Like all other companies, Samsung has created a very decent hardware phone and the feature set from them has made it work even better. Do I miss my HTC Sense features. OF course. Sense makes phones easy. But I've learned to make it work for me. End result, AOSP is too bland and short for me. I like ANDROID because I can make it my own. Customization is almost as easy on this is the same as others. I don't like Samsung's blatant Apple icon copy, but I know how to make it my own.
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So let me get this straight. You hate Samsung, and you are commenting on a Note 2 Poll, you own the Note 2 and are a part of a group suing Samsung, but you say you love to hate this phone and later say you " I actually like this phone" And you say you prefer HTC but your sig reveals that you use a Rezound, which is not a very good HTC phone... pardon me but can I have some of what your smoking:silly:
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So let me get this straight. You hate Samsung, and you are commenting on a Note 2 Poll, you own the Note 2 and are a part of a group suing Samsung, but you say you love to hate this phone and later say you " I actually like this phone" And you say you prefer HTC but your sig reveals that you use a Rezound, which is not a very good HTC phone... pardon me but can I have some of what your smoking:silly:
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Have you read why there is a lawsuit against Samsung for the Behold "scandal"?
Check it out:
http://gizmodo.com/5549228/samsung-behold-ii-users-consider-suing-over-android-20-snub
In my mind that's a frivolous lawsuit.....
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They pulled an Apple.
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Have you read why there is a lawsuit against Samsung for the Behold "scandal"?
Check it out:
http://gizmodo.com/5549228/samsung-behold-ii-users-consider-suing-over-android-20-snub
In my mind that's a frivolous lawsuit.....
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Have you read why there is a lawsuit against Samsung for the Behold "scandal"?
Check it out:
http://gizmodo.com/5549228/samsung-behold-ii-users-consider-suing-over-android-20-snub
In my mind that's a frivolous lawsuit.....
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And here I thought I was an idiot for buying a Droid Eris for my first Android phone :laugh:
Dang that Behold is an old phone released in 2008. Here I thought my 2010 Epic 4G is old.
AOSP doesnt show my external sd card
Just to throw out my 2 cents..... Coming from a GNex, I was running 4.2.2 and thought it was great. I was due for an upgrade and got the Note 2. I thought I was taking a step back with 4.1.2, but I have to say, everything just works! No issues with GPS anymore, no battery drain (although there is no comparison to the battery of the gnex next to the note 2). I am reluctant to flash anything 4.2.2, because I don't want to have to worry if the things I need my phone to do for both work and personal use is going to work. I have to say, I would love to flash a couple AOSP roms, they look like they are making progress on the bugs by leaps and bounds, but until I can "count" on 99% of my phone working without issue..... Ima sticking to touchwiz based roms.
I prefer TW because of two main reasons.
1. Group texting
2. Better radio
With AOSP based roms, I get a constant roaming message at home. I don't get service here and have a network extender. Don't have this roaming issue with TW based stuff.
Group texting just doesnt work on AOSP. Yes I have the settings for group texting checked and all that I've read states that group texting works in 4.2.2 but I surely haven't seen it work.
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Touchwiz for the fact I need to everything to function properly on my device. I use to play with AOSP alot but these days TW is spot on and all I use. I do like AOSP 4.2.2 on my Transformer...its my new crack flash device.
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eggydrums said:
Hello there!! I wanted to make this poll to see what the fellow users here in the Amaze forums prefer, Sense or AOSP.
On one hand, we have the original, pure, vanilla android interface. Simple, nothing so complicated and still, yet to come the Amaze, "the pure Google experience". There is no rom that is FULLY stock, with the exception of BeastMOD and SenseLess which are almost de-sensed completely.
And on the other, we have the long running Sense, courtesy of HTC. With lots of eye candy, lots of widgets, and an obsession with weather, Sense is very diverse and customizable. One of the latest versions of it, 3.0, is included with the Amaze, and most of the custom roms for it are Sense.
Many people, love sense, others hate it and prefer AOSP over it. So, its simple, choose your preferred interface, and leave a comment of you want xD
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I deleted the last poll.
You know what I find is funny?
For devices like G1, MyTouch even Vibrant a bunch of people really want Sense.
Now that you have a device that has Sense out of the box nobody seems to want it.
Here's what I have to say about it: If you don't want it, don't buy it. I happen to be a large fan of the Sense UI. I don't care about how "bloated" it feels or anything like that.
I used to make themes for the devices that didn't have Sense to at least give it a "Sense" look and feel. People went out of their way to edit the Sense UI apps just to make them available for devices that don't come with it.
So now that we seem to have the perfect device to run Sense... you all want to get rid of it?
I don't get it. If you don't like Sense then why by a phone with it??? Someone please explain that to me.
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I deleted the last poll.
You know what I find is funny?
For devices like G1, MyTouch even Vibrant a bunch of people really want Sense.
Now that you have a device that has Sense out of the box nobody seems to want it.
Here's what I have to say about it: If you don't want it, don't buy it. I happen to be a large fan of the Sense UI. I don't care about how "bloated" it feels or anything like that.
I used to make themes for the devices that didn't have Sense to at least give it a "Sense" look and feel. People went out of their way to edit the Sense UI apps just to make them available for devices that don't come with it.
So now that we seem to have the perfect device to run Sense... you all want to get rid of it?
I don't get it. If you don't like Sense then why by a phone with it??? Someone please explain that to me.
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My sentiments exactly
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My sentiments exactly
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Very valid point,
here's my view
I happen to like HTC since i loved my nexus one, and I bought this phone mainly for it's camera, nothing else is like it on T-mobile right now. I neither hate fan nor like it there are parts of it I like and parts I don't. I bought the SGSII first and hated it, I hated the screen resolution and how big it was...this phone just felt good...Sometimes even if you don't like sense, there are no other options, every individual wants something different and not all cellphones deliver everything in one package. I was initially waiting for the galaxy nexus and just got tired of waiting. I hated the pentile screen when I looked at it in the store (even If I ordered over seas) NO dedicated camera button, this is what I really wanted. I also wanted a 720p screen like the rezound, If I could I would get the rezound, but it doesn't have dedicated camera buttons and I want that. it has the same exact camera as the amaze. a 720p screen on a 4.3 inch screen which gives better dpi than the retina display...But I have no choice, I'm not going to pay 180 monthly just to get that phone...right now I pay 60 bucks on a shared plan and get unlimited everything with 5 gigs of unthrotled data. I also like this about android and like things about the iphone, I can't have it all in one package.
I use locker widget, and adw launcher and I'm happy with it...I do not hate the sense launcher, or the lockscreen, I just prefer my own customization. I love what they've done with their camera app. I like their calendar application. I like their parts of their contact and dialer app and hate parts of it.
I talk too much!!!
Binary said:
For devices like G1, MyTouch even Vibrant a bunch of people really want Sense.
Now that you have a device that has Sense out of the box nobody seems to want it.
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Peoples always wanted what they don't/can't have. Simple
I myself love to have a Sense Rom mainly due to its lock screen and weather widget and a few more stuff but also running ADW so I can switching back and forth every other week or so
Personally I think Sense based Rom give me more options. If tired of looking at Sense, switch to other launcher and apps or vice versa whereas ASOP based wouldn't let me have Sense stuff if I so desired
Just because a phone comes with Sense doesn't mean it's the main attraction of the device. Did people buy the Samsung Galaxy S2 for TouchWiz? I sure hope not. There are other features of a product that convince people to purchase it. Specs, look and feel, cost-efficiency, and availability all factor in and affect this. The Amaze happens to feel like a really premium product with high end specs to boast. It also happens to come with Sense.
I don't hate Sense, but I just find it to be too non-customizable and would always use a third party launcher like ADW Launcher or Go Launcher anyway, so Sense means little to me.
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Peoples always wanted what they don't/can't have. Simple
I myself love to have a Sense Rom mainly due to its lock screen and weather widget and a few more stuff but also running ADW so I can switching back and forth every other week or so
Personally I think Sense based Rom give me more options. If tired of looking at Sense, switch to other launcher and apps or vice versa whereas ASOP based wouldn't let me have Sense stuff if I so desired
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ya me and you have the same kind of "sense" about this stuff, no pun inteded!!!!
seansk said:
ya me and you have the same kind of "sense" about this stuff, no pun inteded!!!!
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Then go ahead and have your vote
I sense garbage.
This is my second htc sense phone.
You like sense until you try something else for a while.. Then you can't stand it.
We all have our own opinions.. It's fine, but for me it's a nice eye candy developed system that I can not stand and can't wait for cm7, 9 or something else.
Also a reason why I have adw launcher.
Talking of CM I kinda missed it alot.
Many great features: crt built-in, toggle widgets on top of pull-down notification panel, brightness adjust by sliding the status bar ect ... And separate lock screen wallpaper
Too many customization Sense lack
I switched back to sense for the beats audio
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People who vote sense have not experienced a good AOSP rom, if at all.
First, thanks for fixing my thread. And second, I prefer sense, altough I can live with Aosp.
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People who vote sense have not experienced a good AOSP rom, if at all.
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I voted for Sense and I think that I have a bit of experience with AOSP.
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First, thanks for fixing my thread. And second, I prefer sense, altough I can live with Aosp.
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No problem.
I like sense, I like AOSP, just depends on how I feel that day. With all the themes, Roms, tweaks and different launchers, we can pretty much do what we prefer on any given day. I still have a cliq lol running 2.3.4 gingerbread aosp, a HD2 running Sergios core cell rom, and my "NEW" Amaze stock, patiently waiting for new developement.
Sense has great eye-candy and great integrated apps which is my kind of thing. like the built in task manager, built in social media, built in music player. its all better than stock IMO. Stock gets boring to me for some reason
I personally have no problem with sense, it's just the size, I like using my system partition for apps, but I do like the facebook and tight music control integration!
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I deleted the last poll.
You know what I find is funny?
For devices like G1, MyTouch even Vibrant a bunch of people really want Sense.
Now that you have a device that has Sense out of the box nobody seems to want it.
Here's what I have to say about it: If you don't want it, don't buy it. I happen to be a large fan of the Sense UI. I don't care about how "bloated" it feels or anything like that.
I used to make themes for the devices that didn't have Sense to at least give it a "Sense" look and feel. People went out of their way to edit the Sense UI apps just to make them available for devices that don't come with it.
So now that we seem to have the perfect device to run Sense... you all want to get rid of it?
I don't get it. If you don't like Sense then why by a phone with it??? Someone please explain that to me.
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+1...... Sense is one of the biggest reasons I only buy HTC phones
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+1...... Sense is one of the biggest reasons I only buy HTC phones
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I wouldnt say the biggest reason for me, i love sense but i also love HTCs build quality and such
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People who vote sense have not experienced a good AOSP rom, if at all.
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lol I had a HD2 for well over a year before getting my amaze I have flashed pretty much everything under the sun, and I still prefer sense based roms.
I've been on both types of roms. I just wanted to get an idea on what people prefer and WHY they prefer it.
Give me your opinions and reasons please! Very curious!
Thanks in advance.
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I've always liked Sense more. For me it just feels complete, as with the apps/widgets, which give a better appearance; skins, icons, rosie, quick settings, pretty much everything looks better. Then there's the integration with social networks, like facebook and twitter, which is awesome since I use both. Other apps perform better, especially the camera and keyboard. AOSP just feels too bare and ugly for me to ever wanna run on my phone. Besides, if I wanted Sense removed, I wouldn't have even went for an HTC phone in the first place.
I prefer AOSP from a speed and cleanness factor, but missing functionality like Bluetooth calling always puts me back onto Sense ROMs (though my daily is SlimKANG - a nearly "Senseless" Sense ROM).
I like both however I'm on aosp right now because I like to use my wiimote as a controller and also I'm on jb. When I get a nexus 7 I'll probably go back to full sense though.
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Sense because of the camera
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I prefer Sense because of the camera and bluetooth. I've play around with AOSP and I have heard that it is easy to tweak and theme, but I don't know how to set it up to my liking.
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I prefer Sense because of the camera and bluetooth. I've play around with AOSP and I have heard that it is easy to tweak and theme, but I don't know how to set it up to my liking.
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AOKP has the most options in AOSP if you want to mess with it some more. Also you can download themes from the Play Store.
Until Sense 4+ I would've said hands down, AOSP all day. Sense 4+ though is in my experience comparable to AOSP, but in many cases actually offers more smoothness(this pertains only to ICS AOSP though, as JB AOSP smooths EVERYTHING out). I don't think Sense is necessarily prettier than AOSP, but they are pretty in different ways. Sense to me is like the Astin Martin, whereas AOSP is like the 1968 Eleanor. Sense definitely wins the camera category hands down, as well as music playing, but I think anymore the call quality rivals each other(granted I don't actually call that much). When it comes to the little things, like the app drawer or switching between menus and such AOSP tends to be quicker. All in all... it's just up to how I'm feeling that particular day I suppose. /rant
You just can't beat CM9's speed and response in my opinion.
I appreciate all of your inputs. I have tried to like AOSP, but it just doesn't cut it on the rezzy for some reason. I feel so much more complete with a sense rom. I feel like this phone was built fully for sense (I know it was), but the potential is there for AOSP. I always find myself going back to sense. Mainly due to the camera!
I enjoy tinkering with AOSP from time to time, but I just love me some sense. With development booming on the rez like it has been lately, I've been pretty happy and content with sense and especially sense 4, a lot of that is do to the custom kernels that I've been lucky enough to run on my phone in beast mode.
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I appreciate all of your inputs. I have tried to like AOSP, but it just doesn't cut it on the rezzy for some reason. I feel so much more complete with a sense rom. I feel like this phone was built fully for sense (I know it was), but the potential is there for AOSP. I always find myself going back to sense. Mainly due to the camera!
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I agree. I'm ways shocked to hear people say bad things about sense...but the resound is my first HTC phone and ive had custom roms nearly the entire time I've owned it.
I absolutely love the sense keyboard. I have the hardest time going back to aosp keyboard now. Camera is nice. Email is nice too. And I just like the feel of sense, the theming
Rezound, s-off, loving it.
Sense for me is too much.... everything is too big and it reminds me of bubbles when I look at it. I like the slim lines and small icons in aosp but the biggest thing that keeps me from sense is the settings app..... UGLY
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Sense for me is too much.... everything is too big and it reminds me of bubbles when I look at it. I like the slim lines and small icons in aosp but the biggest thing that keeps me from sense is the settings app..... UGLY
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I agree. Sense seems like my phone thinks I am 5 years old so everything has to be colorful and pretty.
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I agree. Sense seems like my phone thinks I am 5 years old so everything has to be colorful and pretty.
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Gonna go on a limb and guess that you don't like Touchwiz either? Lol
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Sense for me is too much.... everything is too big and it reminds me of bubbles when I look at it. I like the slim lines and small icons in aosp but the biggest thing that keeps me from sense is the settings app..... UGLY
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I completely agree with this. I don't use social networks at all, so this functionality is lost on me. Sense is great for somebody that wants their phone to just work (especially if that person is a social network junkie like my wife). I like to tinker, so that's the reason that I like AOSP. It's a lot easier to tinker with AOSP than it is Sense. Sense = gaudy and indulgent. AOSP = streamlined and elegant.
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I completely agree with this. I don't use social networks at all, so this functionality is lost on me. Sense is great for somebody that wants their phone to just work (especially if that person is a social network junkie like my wife). I like to tinker, so that's the reason that I like AOSP. It's a lot easier to tinker with AOSP than it is Sense. Sense = gaudy and indulgent. AOSP = streamlined and elegant.
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I am a big tinkerer so I can see what you mean by appreciating the ease of aosp. However, I don't mind a little challenge and since s-off, I haven't had any issues with rezound mods.
I'm don't use social networking at all but there are definitely some things I prefer about sense.
Anyone who claims there is absolutely nothing.better about sense or aosp is lying to themself. Reminds me of an apple fanboy who thinks their iPhone does everything better than any android.
Rezound, s-off, loving it.
I just got back on sense and for some reason it feels like its missing something I can't quite figure out.
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I just got back on sense and for some reason it feels like its missing something I can't quite figure out.
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Customizability.
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Customizability.
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Maybe, it really isnt as customizable as AOSP and what is customizable you dont want to change because then it will compromise the whole sense feel.
I've seen a little bit of talk about this now that we have some AOSP ROMs and personally would like to see this happen but I know that if I just go make a request to someone like the Cyanogenmod team I'll probably not get a response or just be told they're considering it and that's it(I could be wrong). So I'm making this thread to find out just how many people are interested in this and figure out how we should get a hold of whoever can make it happen.
I don't want to get a bunch of people to just start mass email/post/calling anyone into submission. These dev's are already doing a lot of great things for us and I don't want to ruin that. I would really rather give Google an idea of how many people want this feature or already have it through one of Samsung's ROMs and would like to keep it with AOSP so that maybe they won't give the AOSP dev's such a hard time.
So go ahead and chime in if you want multi-window for AOSP and if you know who we should get a hold of or have a good idea of how we should go about asking or if you're a dev who's tired of people always asking for features and just wants me to shut up.
In case you haven't seen cornerstone it's similar to Samsungs multi-window. http://www.onskreen.com/cornerstone/
In case you haven’t heard the story between Google and Cyanogen about cornerstone yet. http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/samsung-adds-multi-window-despite-threat-from-google-2012109/
and https://plus.google.com/100275307499530023476/posts/ViCME1bb8F6
I want
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yes please!
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I would love it, the best ROMs are gonna be stock, but the multi window feature in touchwiz is keeping me from stock, so this would be perfect
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+1
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No thanks. CM isn't going to risk it. Google allows CM to use their proprietary apps and gives CM users access to the market and other Google services. If multi-window modes are going to risk that relationship then I don't want it.
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No thanks. CM isn't going to risk it. Google allows CM to use their proprietary apps and gives CM users access to the market and other Google services. If multi-window modes are going to risk that relationship then I don't want it.
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I understand that and I know that's why CM didn't pursue it before but I think that now that Samsung has gone ahead and made multi-window available it gives us a good precedence, especially if they start using it on more phones than the note 2, like the S3. I think the big thing would be making it only work for apps that specifically state that they work with cornerstone the same way that Samsung does. I know it's a small amount of apps right now but once it hits a certain point most developers would hopefully make it standard when they make their apps and the ones that won't play nice with odd screen sizes can be left to run full screen. I'm just hoping that if they implement it they can use the same flag in apps that Samsung does so that so that app devs have a little more of a reason to make their apps use it for multi-window on AOSP and sammy ROMs.
I haven't found an app that doesn't work. Haven't really tried with games but did check a few with no problems. It works Google should roll it out.
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I think in this case Google is too worried about catering to the lowest denominator - ie. the people with smaller less known android phones rather than beasts like the S3/Nexus 4/DNA/Note 2 and their misguided complaints that their new device can't run the core OS properly.
I asked Entropy about it in IRC a couple nights ago but he said it really makes no difference even with Samsung implementing Multi window. I looked into cornerstone but it seems a bit outdated. It was last updated 10 months ago.
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It hasn't be updated to work with Jelly Bean yet, they are still working off of ICS source.
Thanks slick_rick and imnuts glad to hear some input from a developer. I've done a little research and haven't found any JB ROMs using it so darn. Unless it gets updated or if anyone thinks that Samsungs multi-window can be ported to non touch-wiz roms. I should go see if I can get a hold of anyone at onskreen to see if they have any plans on updating.
Hate to say it but looks like some Note 2 TW devs are leaving the phone. Seems they are vanishing weekly. Too bad because there were some great ROMs out there and I hate to see some of them go for the VZW variant. Really sad that VZW and Samsung are making things so difficult for devs these days. Makes me wonder if they left it open just long enough to steal hard working dev ideas for themselves without having to pay an R&D department to test the OS. Looks like AOSP 4.3 ROMs are starting to take off though, and with the addition of the App Bar, Halo and a host of other mods by great devs we still have a few options. That coupled with great mod apps in the Play Store you can almost get the TW experience with AOSP now.
Or maybe they are moving on to other projects until we get the 4.3 TW update. Then, hopefully some of them will return and develop for one of the top devices still on the market. The Note 3 will most likely be locked down like the S4 so I am thinking the Note 2 may be the last great Samsung device open to rooting and having the ability to flash custom ROMs.
To all the devs that made (or still making) great TW ROMs for our VZW Note 2, thanks for all your hard work. I know I have enjoyed being able to try different ROMs and tinkering with them. You all deserve donations and our gratitude. You guys and gals make the Android experience enjoyable for all of us.
I'm sure they will be back when we get the 4.3 update. This is the only phone that has an unlockable bootloader, with TW on verizon that's actually decent.
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I'm sure they will be back when we get the 4.3 update. This is the only phone that has an unlockable bootloader, with TW on verizon that's actually decent.
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Hopefully thats the case. Or it may be time to switch carriers. Kinda tired of VZW and their procedures anyway.
If I could I'd leave for an att mnvo but I can't
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BennyJr said:
I'm sure they will be back when we get the 4.3 update. This is the only phone that has an unlockable bootloader, with TW on verizon that's actually decent.
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What's wrong with the s3?
I'm sure the s4 will have an unlocked bootloader soon, especially with the 3k+ bounty.
TBH, this is what always happens. it makes sense that the devs move back to the latest phone. plus the note 3 is coming out soon too, so, yeah, pretty sure what happened to the s3 will happen to the note 2.
at first I really liked TW, but then I switched to the PACman rom and I haven't looked back. the features on TW are nice, but honestly I don't use them that much. i know every user varies, but there are a lot of apps out there that replace TW functionality. I really haven't noticed since switching. I just was unhappy being on 4.1.
As a TW ROM author for the S3 I can tell you guys TW has its limits and there is only so much we can do so we are all awaiting the 4.3 upgrade. We can mess around with themes and included apps, inverting things, but there are limits. It is not like TW has a nightly source code to keep building from. Just be patient and maybe play with some different themes.
Also keep in mind that the xposed framework has removed a lot of the necessity for a true custom rom as it does just about everything that previously had to be hardcoded in. Most custom roms anymore are really just themes with xposed installed by default.
kimdoocheol said:
What's wrong with the s3?
I'm sure the s4 will have an unlocked bootloader soon, especially with the 3k+ bounty.
TBH, this is what always happens. it makes sense that the devs move back to the latest phone. plus the note 3 is coming out soon too, so, yeah, pretty sure what happened to the s3 will happen to the note 2.
at first I really liked TW, but then I switched to the PACman rom and I haven't looked back. the features on TW are nice, but honestly I don't use them that much. i know every user varies, but there are a lot of apps out there that replace TW functionality. I really haven't noticed since switching. I just was unhappy being on 4.1.
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The S4 wont be unlocked...however Im sure something like Kexec or Safestrap will be used to work around the Locked Bootloader. If you read into the details of Qualcomm processors and qfuses, you will quickly learn its pretty much impossible.
JB is still a very active rom, as is Nebula. One of the problems I have run into is that many of the roms are built on the international base. Cleanrom was the perfect rom for me but unfortunately Scott has moved on.
Jellybeans = very active, but I personally seem to always have little issues, I have however never seen anyone else with them.
Cleanrom = dead, but rock solid stable for me
Transnebula = Great support, and very active, however the tab UI just does not work for me... I would KILL to have these guys put together something like clean rom but with floating multiwindow. (One of the devs is also f&*(ing Batman in disguise I swear, listening to his gadget list is bloody awesome)
Lab Rats = a theme beast, but I am not really into theming, seems to me there is always something not quite right with custom themes.
There are also a few international based roms that are very active.
Edit: Oh yeah, also beware flashing Lab Rats at work unless you want your co-workers making fun of you for the boot up sound
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As a TW ROM author for the S3 I can tell you guys TW has its limits and there is only so much we can do so we are all awaiting the 4.3 upgrade. We can mess around with themes and included apps, inverting things, but there are limits. It is not like TW has a nightly source code to keep building from. Just be patient and maybe play with some different themes.
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Agreed. I actually missed my GS3 for about 2 months until the N2 ROMs started picking up. Now I'm digging PAC Man 4.3 and can't wait to see what happens with TW 4.3. Just hope the devs migrate back eventually. The N2 is a great device.
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Morkai Almandragon said:
JB is still a very active rom, as is Nebula. One of the problems I have run into is that many of the roms are built on the international base. Cleanrom was the perfect rom for me but unfortunately Scott has moved on.
Jellybeans = very active, but I personally seem to always have little issues, I have however never seen anyone else with them.
Cleanrom = dead, but rock solid stable for me
Transnebula = Great support, and very active, however the tab UI just does not work for me... I would KILL to have these guys put together something like clean rom but with floating multiwindow. (One of the devs is also f&*(ing Batman in disguise I swear, listening to his gadget list is bloody awesome)
Lab Rats = a theme beast, but I am not really into theming, seems to me there is always something not quite right with custom themes.
There are also a few international based roms that are very active.
Edit: Oh yeah, also beware flashing Lab Rats at work unless you want your co-workers making fun of you for the boot up sound
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Beans just got a Moto X so I hope he builds for the N2 still after 4.3 drops.
Haven't tried Trans yet. Not a big tablet UI fan.
Still need to try the newest Lab Rats
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Real_JESRadio said:
Beans just got a Moto X so I hope he builds for the N2 still after 4.3 drops.
Haven't tried Trans yet. Not a big tablet UI fan.
Still need to try the newest Lab Rats
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I could not imagine going from the Note 2 to the Moto X lol
We have patches to run roms from other carriers, as well as rock solid roms that work flawlessly. X posed has opened up almost endless possibilities, and active themers(<is this even a word?) )help the look of a lot of the roms we do have. One of the best things we have is a bunch of good natured members willing to help, and learn. This goes a long way. New developers are born every day. Some will leave, some will stay. Heck Deckoz just started. Trans nebula is his first rom. This phone is a nice piece of kit, and unless I can get a xperia xl super cheap, and working flawless on Verizon, then I am staying put for awhile. You guys are stuck with me.
Morkai Almandragon said:
I could not imagine going from the Note 2 to the Moto X lol
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Honestly it's a gorgeous device. Almost pure android on it, some nice moto features. I would get it if I didn't have a note. It's honestly still in the back of my mind to get one. It's smaller yeah but it's got a really nice feel in the hand. Very smooth running device
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Feel the same as the op but remaining hopeful and patient. Really sad to see cleanrom go and nothing really along those lines. I like beans also and not sure how much more he can do with it until there's a 4.3 to work off of. I've been messing with nova themes and other mods to keep me busy. That and just enjoying the phone with what we have.
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Nova and the host of goodies and apps has made the TW experience more enjoyable until 4.3 drops. I realize the TW devs are limited until the next update. Heck I flashed back to Beans just to mess with X Posed since I really never have in TW roms.
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SSLauncher is pretty cool as well. Looking forward to trying all kinds of possibilities.
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ExFAT and AOSP
kennyglass123 said:
As a TW ROM author for the S3 I can tell you guys TW has its limits and there is only so much we can do so we are all awaiting the 4.3 upgrade. We can mess around with themes and included apps, inverting things, but there are limits. It is not like TW has a nightly source code to keep building from. Just be patient and maybe play with some different themes.
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Kenny,
Since your are reading ( and cleaning- thanks!) a lot of posts I wonder if you have seen any ExFat support for AOSP roms.Actually I want to be able to format a 64GB sandisk and be able see all ( most) of 64G and be able to put files larger than 4G.
Any AOSP roms/kernels with such support?
Many thanks
Abe
abe_cedar said:
Kenny,
Since your are reading ( and cleaning- thanks!) a lot of posts I wonder if you have seen any ExFat support for AOSP roms.Actually I want to be able to format a 64GB sandisk and be able see all ( most) of 64G and be able to put files larger than 4G.
Any AOSP roms/kernels with such support?
Many thanks
Abe
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Looks like it is mostly CM 10.1 support but found these : http://forum.xda-developers.com/sitesearch.php?q=Exfat on cM
Updates are great, but since TW has its own limitations and we've had 4.1.2 for how long now? Tweaks can only be so tweaky! 4.3 will breathe alot of new life into our phone. I am not upgrading to the N3 lest something makes it more desirable. But seeing that we get the same update it will have, I am willing to wait a month to see what happens.
I notice quite a lot of rom threads are being closed...
only a few are being updates while lots were lasted update near the beginning of the month...
Lol.. There are too many roms already and almost all of them are very stable. So why do we need nightly/weekly updates if we have something like pure nexus or chroma running solid? Custom roms will live forever especially for nexus devices.
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Another one was added today. I'm patiently waiting to see if pure nexus appears with cmte. Its in the works.I hear
No end in sight! This is XDA ftw!
Today is a terrible, terrible day.
We lost an absolute gem
Soulfly3 said:
Today is a terrible, terrible day.
We lost an absolute gem
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You mean with cataclysm, there is a cached page about his final words, I hope he still continues
http://txt.do/57rjs
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus6P/comments/42v96a/cataclysm_threads_closed_by_mods/
The community legit doesn't deserve for him to continue.
His threads would literally make me sick the way ppl treated him. The way they DEMANDED alterations as opposed to asking. The way they asked over and over, despite his firm NO.
I'm gonna miss the hell out of his ROMs. The best. If some major changes happen, maybe Ill move to Pure Nexus, but for now... and a long while... I think the latest Cata mod will be on my phone.
This community truly sucks, sometimes
This has definitely been true for non-Nexus phones. I was big into LG phones, I had the G2, G3, and G4 (all on Verizon). The G2 had tons of development, both stock and AOSP ROMs, and the G3 was similar but noticeably less. The G4 has been non-existent. I remember the days when virtually all phones were rooted and unlocked by devs, with lots of custom ROMs, but this seems to be going away very quickly. Now it's likely if you buy a non-Nexus device, it won't get root at all, let alone custom ROMs.
Looking at the 6P development, I see what you're talking about. Lots of ROMs that started when the phone came out have ceased getting updates, and you only have a handful of solid ROMs to choose from.
I wouldn't be surprised if custom roms are a dying breed. IMHO part of it is that Android is slowly moving towards getting the basic feature set and UI tweaks that people want, and more manufacturers are trimming down their bloated UI's (some exceptions obv, unnamed). But also --- this may sound cynical, but just from my own observation: Many of these enthusiast-worked/powered/funded projects are far too often met with self-entitled users (in the very literal sense of the word) who think their use of the rom/software/art/w/e entitles them to complain endlessly about every little thing and every minute lack of an update (or desired/demanded feature) for what is usually a free or donationware product. Not to mention the people who are too careless/hasty to follow instructions and end up bricking their devices, only to blame the devs and spew a bunch of vitriol. I don't blame anyone who quits at all.
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You mean with cataclysm, there is a cached page about his final words, I hope he still continues
http://txt.do/57rjs
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That's one breathe taking letter! Wish him the best and this Developer will be missed by XDA...
I love custom ROMs!!! I remember when I unlocked my first smart phone the first evo and I found the perfect stable ROM for it...now every time I get a new phone I find myself searching for a ROM I think it makes whatever handset you're using perfect. Thank you to everyone that takes the time to develop
the past roms I used, have not closed down.. Cataclysm was the second rom I used and liked...
I try not to use any roms that are CM based.. lol.. not sure why... I like the AOSP based roms better...
XDA has been going downhill for years now. Seen some amazing devs and funny members just up and leave over the years for this very reason.
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Every ROM will meet its end some time... Beanstalk disappeared. Avatar halted. AOKP is no longer active. ParanoidAndroid and PACman had gone big in form but small in functionality and usefulness. Even CM, with Google incorporating more and more changes into each new Android version and limiting features these ROMs can touch, might die out someday.
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Yeah some people here do not understand devs do this in there free time, for fun theycowe you nothing and you are very privileged to be getting such incredible free software. This upsets a lot if devs and makes them leave the community.
I stopped publishing my own approach of a ROM after I got rid of my old Samsung Galaxy S3 and moved on to Nexus devices. I'm happy with a customised Stock based ROM which suits me well. I'm not sure if anybody else would be interested in it since the Nexus forums offer a great number of custom ROMs, some of which are filled with extra stuff. I can somehow understand the guys who stop publishing their work. I never asked for donations, in fact I don't have a PayPal account linked to my profile Maintaining a ROM is a huge effort, especially if you're on your own and not part of a team.
ROMs are no longer needed plain and simple. Back in the hay days of ROMs, Galaxy S2 and 3, HTC EVO, ROMs were a necessity considering how badly optimized phones were back then.. running great software with horrible specs. Developers made the phone a lot better... I still remember the days of running Viper ROM on my samsung epic on the Sprint network.. those were the days.
Fast forward today I'm going on two years without flashing a ROM and reality is I see no need for it.
I pose a question to the great Nexus community, what's the purpose of flashing ROMs when the device runs perfect out the box?
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Root is a must for me since it allows you to get rid of some unwanted Google Apps (eg Google+, Google Play Games etc), use a Adblocker and special Apps like eg Titanium Backup or LMT
Custom roms, with the exception of a select few, have always been highly overrated imo. Most of them take software that is already created, debloat it (which we can do ourselves) and add some features that anyone can get through xposed, etc.
I used to always laugh when people would jump in a rom thread with outrageous claims like their battery life doubled, it's 100x smoother than stock, etc. Placebo effect runs high on custom roms imo.
With that being said, I've flashed just as many roms as most of you. I still see the value in some of them.
But as other people have said, it's just not as necessary anymore. As long as you can root, you can debloat, add xposed if you wanted, etc.
Doesn't seem to make as big of a difference as before.
Yeah it's not how it used to be and that probably for the better, most anything you could want can be done through Xposed and a custom kernel. While most custom roms are more stable than they were in the early days(seems to have more to do with a more stable aosp), there isn't much incentive and there are often still bugs. It's not because devs are bad at what they do, but building a stable rom requires a team of people and testing environments that people just don't have at home. Early in the days of windows mobile and Android roms were very poorly optimised out of the box, but it'd not really like that anymore.
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