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I want to make this provocatoty question because after more than one month our XPS is the most locked phone here in XDA.
The fact is that we can only swap original firmwares, there is no way to root the phone in an easy way, without unlocking bootloader, and there is no recovery available.
I'm new in a similar situation after many smartphones owned; yes, the software is not bad, nor has big issues, but the plus of Android is also the openess...
What do you think?
Dude what the... we have root, can unlock the bootloader on the first day of the device how much easier and open can you get? I'm guessing you have never owned a Motorola phone before as u will then know the meaning of "locked tight".
Clockworkmod is coming like everything else, if you want to speed up the process you should help out perhaps, we can never have too many modders, rom makers, tweakers etc.
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I've owned two motorola phones, and from what I see they did not have the bootloader not accepting unsigned software, even if locked. This make big difference as for now only official firmware are loadable and without a Sony change the situation remain without solutions.
...Okay
The phone has been out less than a month, and it's not even out globally yet (see the gigantic India thread, and others floating around at the moment, it's only available via import in a lot of locations)
Another thing...it is all being worked on at the moment. You want a custom firmware? be patient. There can't be any custom kernels yet because there is a bug in the bootloader at the moment (or something, I won't pretend to know how that works as i'm not a developer) that's keeping Doom and other developers from moving further with the development. Doom also doesn't own the S yet, so he can only do soo much at the moment.
There is already Mods available, but there isn't any modified firmwares out yet, because no one is making any, which I don't blame them because ICS is on its way. You can do it all yourself (read themes and apps section, maybe learn a bit about how to modify phone?), and until the bootloader thing is fixed, thats the best thing to do really.
There's no way to root without unlocking the bootloader -yet-.
It has been adressed many times, that there may be one in the future, but unlocking the bootloader is the current solution, and it works just fine. Also, keeping your bootloader locked (and it can even be relocked) limits your phone anyways. Unlocking your bootloader doesn't void your warranty, it just may if you do something stupid (read overlocking and frying phone) they may or may not (if they even see that you broke your phone by your own doing) fix it under warranty.
Also, if you havent noticed...there isn't a lot of developers on the Xperia S train yet, it all takes time.
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I want to make this provocatoty question because after more than one month our XPS is the most locked phone here in XDA.
The fact is that we can only swap original firmwares, there is no way to root the phone in an easy way, without unlocking bootloader, and there is no recovery available.
I'm new in a similar situation after many smartphones owned; yes, the software is not bad, nor has big issues, but the plus of Android is also the openess...
What do you think?
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Are you blind or what ? there is root, unlocking bootloader is offered DIRECTLY by SONY, so no need to hack...
Sony has released sources for almost anything on this phone, so if you're able to you can edit and rebuild...
there is also a modded kernel...
what you want more ?
if you want you can download sources, and start to learn how to build the kernel... there are guides on the sony developer site.
it's not easy to find something to mod, when everythinq works VERY GOOD with stock... but if there are requests... we can start to mod...
Nope, If you read relating posts, there is no way to make roms as in other phones, due to the bootloader bug, that is related to Sony not to developers.
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Are you blind or what ? there is root, unlocking bootloader is offered DIRECTLY by SONY, so no need to hack...
Sony has released sources for almost anything on this phone, so if you're able to you can edit and rebuild...
there is also a modded kernel...
what you want more ?
if you want you can download sources, and start to learn how to build the kernel... there are guides on the sony developer site.
it's not easy to find something to mod, when everythinq works VERY GOOD with stock... but if there are requests... we can start to mod...
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Please be polite, and read problems involved in development. Doom has locked his thread until there are news from Sony.
So OP's suggested solution for all these difficulties is just close the development section, then everything else will automatically be solved without anyone working, testing and exchanging ideas on it? Kudos to OP!
Actually I smell troll here.
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Although there is a bug in the bootloader I see no reason to close the whole thread .
There are other things that can be worked on and at the moment. It's a good place to get Stock Firmware that can be flashed . Always good to have a heavy variety of Stock ROMs to fall back too.
As stock firmwares are developed hopefully the bug will be fixed and Devs will be able to continue.
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Kudos to OP!
Actually I smell troll here.
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It was a provocatory post to show difficulties in developing software. If you look at the section it seems really abandoned.
If that's trolling, I submit to moderators judgement, and accept their decisions.
Is there any way I can unlock it using a Mac? Didn't find anything to do it yet, but maybe I am blind
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They are already working on cyanogen roms at mo for S. And the free xperia team have spoke to Sony and there will be a bootloader fix in a new fw soon. As people say we have a very new device. Good things come to those who wait
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It was a provocatory post to show difficulties in developing software. If you look at the section it seems really abandoned.
If that's trolling, I submit to moderators judgement, and accept their decisions.
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Yeah, I agree, the section with the second highest posts is totally abandoned...
...If we follow this guideline, I think we should close the Accessories section, due to lack of gadgets to go with our phones! (can you see the sarcasm?)
Really, just be patient, it's a new phone, stop whining, or how you say "being provocative".
Edit: Okay sorry, maybe that was a bit harsh...but really, I feel you don't really have the right to judge the speed of fixes and developments when you aren't doing it yourself. The best thing you can do is deal with it for now. They are doing what they can.
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They are already working on cyanogen roms at mo for S. And the free xperia team have spoke to Sony and there will be a bootloader fix in a new fw soon. As people say we have a very new device. Good things come to those who wait
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Good news, thanks
what do think guys will we get jellybean update for our devices???
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what do think guys will we get jellybean update for our devices???
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thats the only reason why its delayed ;-)
update for NEO was also delayed and got 4.0.4 instead of 4.0.3....
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure we'll get it by the end of the year.
I hope Sony doesn't further delay ICS (it was supposed to be released by now per Sony's schedule, but delayed for the end of July) because of JB, I want 4.x ASAP.
i hope sony skips ics and gives us JB instead the offline voice messaging feature is awesome
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i hope sony skips ics and gives us JB instead the offline voice messaging feature is awesome
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they cant afford to miss ics i would suggeest as the phone has so many problems in its current state i.e software bugs and call/network dropping. If they dont sort these quickly then nobody will care about jellybean as they will have got rid of the phone by the time that happens. Im on the verge of this now...at the end of the day it has to function as a reliable phone and at the moment its not.
It most certainly is on it's most current released firmware, B.1.564. You can downgrade back to it, B.3.162 was pulled and you should not be using it.
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It most certainly is on it's most current released firmware, B.1.564. You can downgrade back to it, B.3.162 was pulled and you should not be using it.
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so what am i missing here then?
so they brought the phone out, then released an update for it to solve what?....and then realised that actually it created more problems than it solved and then pulled it?.....where have they then come out and said that you should roll back and put the original firmware back on it?
seems to be very few forums for the xperia p anywhere so ive not come across much information about how this problem is being fixed. Would appreciate any links or info you have though as i really want to give this phone a chance but its being let down terribly at the moment.
Already explained here. I suggest reading the stickies in order to familiarize yourself with Flashtool and for other useful information regarding the NXT line.
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Already explained here. I suggest reading the stickies in order to familiarize yourself with Flashtool and for other useful information regarding the NXT line.
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yes you gave me the link etc in the xperia p thread which i thanked you for however my question was around the fact that having released a firmware (.62) in a bid i assume to correct some problems it seems that it actually created more than it solved. You have recommended that i roll back to the earlier build that i have not actually ever had as the phone updated itself within a few mins of having it. I am willing to roll back if you feel this will make the phone more reliabe as a phone however i was interested to know where it had been said by sony that we should do this or where the general discusion on here was about it.
what ever we get we get it quick and bug free i heard xperia p has alot of bugs in gingerbread
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what ever we get we get it quick and bug free i heard xperia p has alot of bugs in gingerbread
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Exactly my point which is why they can't afford to wait until the end of the year. They need to sort it and sort it fast, don't think there has been one solid phone in the xperia range released yet. All have so much potential, fantastic hardware and then ruined by shoddy software.
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You're definitely getting it sooner or later.
I'm guessing ICS in late July or early August, and JB somewhere in Q4 2012.
Though the sooner we get ICS and Sony releases it's kernel sources, the better... I'd like to see some custom ROMs floating around, especially FreeXperia's CM for the P.
ICS is on the way right now as we've seen with the Xperia S and other handsets. As for Jellybean, you'll be looking later in the year, if not in the new year. Well, I suspect.
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Sony always take so long to release it :crying:
hey guys final word of advice from me cause there are some real users out here
should i buy xperia p is it really worth it or should i get a galaxy s2 please help me out here i think i will keep this for a while and i want it to be a good one
I'm not sure we can get JB...
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hey guys final word of advice from me cause there are some real users out here
should i buy xperia p is it really worth it or should i get a galaxy s2 please help me out here i think i will keep this for a while and i want it to be a good one
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Compared to the SGS2, the P is actually in a little lower range. The S is about the same.
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I'm not sure we can get JB...
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You'll definitely get it.
I dont know what is wrong with Sony, this is the worst mobile ever! always f...ing WI FI problems in every software, lot of bugs, slow very slow, no one can fix this ****! I root phone and in fast boot shows me that I need to root phone. I want to instal recovery but i cant get market working, wi fi lost every time i try to log in in market. This is terrible. SONY SHAME ON YOU MORONS!
why posting this to share you anger about sony, what we can do about it?
maybe its your router at home, there are enough fast roms, i using stock,locked bl rooted and all and supercharger and nthe newest stuff and my Neo V is flying fast, so i dont know why you post this, just call sony and tell it to them, and not to us we cant help if you get angry on Sony, just stay calm
Fast boot need unlocked bootloader not root
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@Gluove: friendly suggestion, first inform yourself before calling "people" names.
Read something, maybe you will learn how to solve your problems.
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just use Nova 2.5 CM9 and then post again this
Gluove said:
I dont know what is wrong with Sony, this is the worst mobile ever! always f...ing WI FI problems in every software, lot of bugs, slow very slow, no one can fix this ****! I root phone and in fast boot shows me that I need to root phone. I want to instal recovery but i cant get market working, wi fi lost every time i try to log in in market. This is terrible. SONY SHAME ON YOU MORONS!
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Man,chill out...maybe not phone is the problem,but you,or maybe the phone you've bought have some software issues.. I have this phone from novemeber last year and i didn't had any problem with it,i even watch online movies in browser. (i'm using stock 4.0.4 with unlocked bootloader and custom kernel).
LOL. . who is this guy?
just calm down and read the posts in the dev section.
I think this is the first one of such posts. He calls SONY morons..LOL
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LOL. . who is this guy?
just calm down and read the posts in the dev section.
I think this is the first one of such posts. He calls SONY morons..LOL
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Indeed, Sony a buch of morons ??
No way they are the best peeps in the world
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Pandemic said:
Indeed, Sony a buch of morons ??
No way they are the best peeps in the world
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haha
Gluove said:
I dont know what is wrong with Sony, this is the worst mobile ever! always f...ing WI FI problems in every software, lot of bugs, slow very slow, no one can fix this ****! I root phone and in fast boot shows me that I need to root phone. I want to instal recovery but i cant get market working, wi fi lost every time i try to log in in market. This is terrible. SONY SHAME ON YOU MORONS!
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@Gluove ... As far as I know...Sony is/was the only company that actively participated with the developers in bringing out a stable ICS versions...It mostly because of them that we have so many Roms flying around...choose any one of the top five Rom threads and install any one of them...I don't think you will have issues like you mentioned here..but then again looking at your frustrated post...i am sure you'll come back with even more problems than you have mentioned...lol...a bit mean here.. but then you did call Sony morons! To be fair to you, its quite possible that you got a faulty hardware on your phone..If you are still on the warranty period...replicate these problems and the Sony "morons" should help you out. However to voice your frustration and to deem the phone model and the company as worst...well my friend..you are pretty much alone there..:silly:
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@Gluove ... As far as I know...Sony is/was the only company that actively participated with the developers in bringing out a stable ICS versions...It mostly because of them that we have so many Roms flying around...choose any one of the top five Rom threads and install any one of them...I don't think you will have issues like you mentioned here..but then again looking at your frustrated post...i am sure you'll come back with even more problems than you have mentioned...lol...a bit mean here.. but then you did call Sony morons! To be fair to you, its quite possible that you got a faulty hardware on your phone..If you are still on the warranty period...replicate these problems and the Sony "morons" should help you out. However to voice your frustration and to deem the phone model and the company as worst...well my friend..you are pretty much alone there..:silly:
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lol.. good one :good:
Yep instead of whinging do a repair with pcc or sues, if errors persist return to vendor. Simple.
Whereas running to a development community for the above device and proclaiming it ##### shows that quite clearly most of your issues begin before the touchscreen.
Also your previous posts imply that you've at least read about and possibly tried, tampering with your kernel and iemi number so no real surprises
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i dont know what made the OP say that SONY is a bunch of [email protected]#$% or #$%^
i am using neo V since last November & it is pretty good for what its worth, try and ask HTC/Samsung to give you an upgrade, HDMI with a cable, Gold Plated point..... even today they are waiting for an ICS upgrade for a few of HTC models which were promised but never delivered....
my personal opinion of Sony,
i have a vaio notebook - using it for a few years, when there was some problem with the model globally - it was repaired for free
my PS2 & PS3 give me the gaming experience that i crave for
Sony Digicam, Walkman have all been good for me
i wont say much for the phone, the others here have already said enough
it may be like an off-topic since i mentioned about other Sony devices, but it is just not fair of a person who cannot accept what is available neither can tweak things to suit his needs to call names for a brand like Sony
SONY
make.believe :highfive: :victory:
Really man, what is wrong with you?
You just seem to do everything in a hurry and then mess it up and put all the blame on Sony!
As far as I know Sony is the most customer friendly mobile company!
Tell me something, which company rolled out their ICS updates on time.. No one! Only Sony did!
You should be at least happy with the fact that you are being provided with the official update from them!
As far Neo goes.. I don't see any other phone in this price range that can match up to the standards of Neo..
Rather than just bashing up the brand for no reason whatsoever, try to look out other posts in xda.. There are complete tutorials, from A- Z everything you need!
Search them!
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Sony is late with thier update to ICS, but it doesn't matter, its have almost no bugs, look at samsung and htc, thier hurry with they ICS and its full of bugs, so who is worst?? Not Sony !!
Sony is a good product, i have a phone from Sony, a ps3 and a stereo, tv with bravia engine, so all what i have is from Sony, so please dont blaim Sony but yourself
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So i just got this new phone and so far its great. I used to have s vibrant running ics passion ( sadly stolen :\) so i know what i can do and cant do with roms. But i came on to this and found out there are no roms for this phone. Why is that?
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So i just got this new phone and theres just to Much useless stuff i don't use on it. I used to have s vibrant running ics passion ( sadly stolen :\) so i know what i can do and cant do with roms. But i came on to this and found out there are no roms for this phone. Why is that?
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Lolz. You cant complain on XDA, after buying a phone without browsing the same phone in XDA. Similary these days new companies are formed only after suitable website name (www.xyz.com) is found.
Anyways this phone is new, only few months, and you need to keep some patience. There are really NO ROM/KERNEL DEVELOPERS HERE at the moment and the main reason is that, the phone have Locked Bootloader and some inbuilt restrictions and no good support from LG. No sources of Kernel is yet shared.
The good news is they (LG) have informed that they will provide unlocked version of Jelly Bean in next few months.:fingers-crossed:so everyone here have fingers crossed and literally doing nothing. May be after JB release more REAL developers will buy this phone and there will be too much of crowd in this forum too.
IMHO: If some strong developers from Optimus 2X forums, would buy this phone and come here, this phone will fly.They made roms and kernels inspite of Locked Bootloader by using some unique bypassing methods.
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Lolz. You cant complain on XDA, after buying a phone without browsing the same phone in XDA. Similary these days new companies are formed only after suitable website name (www.xyz.com) is found.
Anyways this phone is new, only few months, and you need to keep some patience. There are really NO ROM/KERNEL DEVELOPERS HERE at the moment and the main reason is that, the phone have Locked Bootloader and some inbuilt restrictions and no good support from LG.
The good news is they (LG) have informed that they will provide unlocked version of Jelly Bean in next few months.:fingers-crossed:so everyone here have fingers crossed and literally doing nothing.
IMHO: If some strong developers from Optimus 2X forums, would buy this phone and come here, this phone will fly.
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Thats great. I didnt know the process and how it is to start roms sorry :\. Ive only had a sidekick n vibrant and i would just pop on here for roms (cause i didnt get them when they were freshly new). Didnt mean to complain, was just wondering! Thank you though!
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Thats great. I didnt know the process and how it is to start roms sorry :\. Ive only had a sidekick n vibrant and i would just pop on here for roms (cause i didnt get them when they were freshly new). Didnt mean to complain, was just wondering! Thank you though!
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Dont lose hope. Patience is the key. This phone is enough strong to do magic. But Magicians are yet to come and perform.
IMHO: If some strong developers from Optimus 2X forums, would buy this phone and come here, this phone will fly. They made roms and kernels inspite of Locked Bootloader by using some unique bypassing methods.
Patience
For guideline, if you want a phone with a lot of android development (custom ROM), look here on XDA which phone have most vibrant community. Generally, Nexus phone and very popular phone (like SG SIII) have a lot of custom ROM.
L9 can be a popular phone though (maybe already). Big IPS screen, 1 GHz dual core with 1 GB RAM with affordable price. Now it depends on LG whether to embrace this community or not (my newbie understanding, it can be very difficult to have firmware/driver for camera, for example).
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For guideline, if you want a phone with a lot of android development (custom ROM), look here on XDA which phone have most vibrant community. Generally, Nexus phone and very popular phone (like SG SIII) have a lot of custom ROM.
L9 can be a popular phone though (maybe already). Big IPS screen, 1 GHz dual core with 1 GB RAM with affordable price. Now it depends on LG whether to embrace this community or not (my newbie understanding, it can be very difficult to have firmware/driver for camera, for example).
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When we suggest someone any other phone, for ROM issue, it should be in similar category and price range. Well, you know, if one can "easily afford" SGS3 would not even look at L9.
But yes, if LG want people to buy this phone then, they must know what people want.
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When we suggest someone any other phone, for ROM issue, it should be in similar category and price range. Well, you know, if one can "easily afford" SGS3 would not even look at L9.
But yes, if LG want people to buy this phone then, they must know what people want.
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Stock ROM is enough for me, just give me the ability to root and JB update (dare I hope 4.2? )
For comparison, Samsung went straight to JB 4.1 from GB 2.3 with its S Advance.
Please keep pictures like that away from XDA.
We are a tech forum!
Hello everyone,
I made a petition about our favorite phone to get another update from Sony.
You can sign here
Phone/ROM-related petitions never work. Plus we won't have 100K people signing it - XDA isn't as big as you think, and people outside XDA just don't care or don't even know what's Marshmallow at all.
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It never work or never tried.....i think xda is big enough...people will start knowing about marshmallow and regular people also like updates....maybe in a long run Sony will change its mind...who knows....it never hurt to try..does it .
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It never work or never tried.....i think xda is big enough...people will start knowing about marshmallow and regular people also like updates....maybe in a long run Sony will change its mind...who knows....it never hurt to try..does it .
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Yeah? Check:
https://www.change.org/p/samsung-up...nternational-versions-to-android-5-0-lollipop
https://www.change.org/p/samsung-sa...ollipop-for-samsung-galaxy-s3-4g-lte-gt-i9305
https://www.change.org/p/sony-mobile-company-android-6-0-marshmallow-for-sony-xperia-z1-compact
https://www.change.org/p/meizu-tech...r-mx4-mx4-pro-and-m1-with-their-kernel-source
https://www.change.org/p/google-release-lollipop-for-android-one-devices
... the objects of which are also fairly popular devices around the globe. Did they listen? Even if they did, did they listen from there?
(And the one I'd even like to sign...
https://www.change.org/p/smartphone...oid-smartphones-with-physical-keyboard-slider)
I'm not saying that Sony won't change its mind under certain influences, just that the influence won't be a petition which can only gather merely thousands of votes in months.
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Well, companies have their own practices and strategies....merely left behind certain product will sometimes benefits that company for a long time even some owner not happy about it....i think i understand some avid users will do this to get attention...but i also know why big company will not listen...maybe they care, maybe they don't but i think if you want to apply updated program or software to certain device is expensive....to want a profit, they need to do this i think...left the product that users a gradually left behind....
Why is having marshmallow important anyway? Nothing after android 4.3 really impressed me. Every new version is buggy and harder to root and the next version tries to only resolve those bugs and introduces other bugs. But I wish you well with your goal and I hope your petition works.
like I said before in another thread. I love my ultra and how it works on KitKat 4.4.4. the battery last longer and some apps work on KitKat that don't on lollipop. I've been on lollipop 5.0.2 rooted and on 5.1.1 rooted and I didn't like it and went back to KitKat 4.4.4. KitKat work very good with my ultra and i'll stay on it till it quits working or sell it. so I don't care for lollipop and marshmallow
I don´t think enough Ultras were sold to start a petition...
does GPE edition gets Android M?
Gitaroo said:
does GPE edition gets Android M?
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Not according to Sony themselves, but that could change. Don't expect it though.
I though GPE update are handled by google. If nexus 5 is getting Android M, no reason why others s800 phones can't.
Gitaroo said:
I though GPE update are handled by google. If nexus 5 is getting Android M, no reason why others s800 phones can't.
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Yup, and that's why we have no freakin' idea if it gets M. I sure hope it does, but it's impossible to tell. We'll notice in a week or two though. Cross your fingers!
go to sony official blog. the chance to be heard are bigger there. it's useless making a petition for this kind of issue.
I think, this is pure speculation, GPE has to be joint effort between Sony and Google.. Sony provide the bootloader and kernel and probably recovery too.
Google can then take a bootable platform and build Android on it.
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I think another question should be whether xzu owners would be willing to pay, say, $10 for an upgrade. I would.
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I think, this is pure speculation, GPE has to be joint effort between Sony and Google.. Sony provide the bootloader and kernel and probably recovery too.
Google can then take a bootable platform and build Android on it.
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Sony released the 6.0 binaries earlier this week, which are proprietary Sony drivers which allows ROM developers to get AOSP running on our devices, so maybe they gave those to Google too, so they can port 6.0 to the GPe(?). I don't know. I'm not sure how the GPe program works at that level, so I guess all we can do at this point is to wait and see. (Give it 2-3 weeks)
So does anyone know if GPe version of Z Ultra is getting Marshmallow? I can't find info on this..If they get it, it can be ported to regular XZU as well, right?