If there is one thing I haven't seen in the forums...or any documentation online is what kind of tags and maximum size t have e S4 is compatible with. I've read something like NDG tags are compatible but are limited to 144bits. Does anyone know which brand...size to buy? Im not interested in Samsungs 5 tags for $15....way to expensive if you ask me. Ive seen 10 for 15 which is worth it. Thanks ahead of time.
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If there is one thing I haven't seen in the forums...or any documentation online is what kind of tags and maximum size t have e S4 is compatible with. I've read something like NDG tags are compatible but are limited to 144bits. Does anyone know which brand...size to buy? Im not interested in Samsungs 5 tags for $15....way to expensive if you ask me. Ive seen 10 for 15 which is worth it. Thanks ahead of time.
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NFC Forum Type 4 tags such as DESFire have the most storage. However they are hard to find and expensive. I think Samsung's new Tectiles are going to be DESFire but as you mentioned they are charging a premium for them.
In regards to size, it really depends on what you intend to use them for. Usually people find the 144 (137 actual) bytes on the NTAG203 are enough. Plus at less than a buck each, the NTAG203 is often an attractive choice for anyone who wants to give NFC a try first without breaking the bank.
Basic things...like turn drive mode on in car...turn wifi on and off...maybe a few other things...not much. How many commands does the one you mentioned hold?
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Basic things...like turn drive mode on in car...turn wifi on and off...maybe a few other things...not much. How many commands does the one you mentioned hold?
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Depends on the command, I've posted about this before:
"In my opinion, for everyday use 144 bytes (NTAG203, type 2 tag) is more than enough. I've attached a screenshot where I launched a URL, toggled WiFi, adjusted the brightness and set an alarm, it used up 111 bytes on the NFC Tag."
Link to the post with the screenshot:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=41023342#post41023342
As said before, for most things NTAG203 Tags have enough memory. They'll work great with apps like NFC Smart Q and other task triggering apps and be able to handle your task triggering just fine. If you need larger memory tags for things like creating a Vcard with all your contact info on it then the Topaz 512 tags are great. They have about 450 bytes of data on them which is plenty for a full company contact vcard.
I would not recommend using Samsungs Tectile App with either of these tags. Their app uses WAY more memory to accomplish even a small task/trigger than any other NFC app. Other NFC Apps on Google Play are much better and would mostly only need the NTAG203 memory.
Other than that, any NFC Tag that is Type 1 or Type 2 will work with the S4, but the two above are the most affordable right now.
Do NOT use Mifare Classic Tags - they have lots of memory and work great with most phones, but are NOT compatible with the S4.
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I was planning on getting the Samsung TecTile tags, but then I found several other websites that sell NFC tags that look cooler (Android logo) and are better price. My questions are...
1) So long as these other tags are Read/Write would I be able to use them with Samsung's TecTile App just the same as with their own branded TecTile NFC tags?
2) Are there other Apps besides Samsungs TecTile App that work the same/better than Samsung's and allow for multiple commands by the same NFC tag?
The NFC thing seems like it could be cool and useful for a few things (in the car dock, in the bedside charger dock), but it's all so new that info and explanation seems hard to find.
1.Yes
2.Not so sure about that, but Ill stick with the samsung app.
3.Post some links to the tags you got.
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Nfc task launcher in the play store.... cost 2 bucks but it's really customizable and works with tasker
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the tags I'm planning on getting are from www.tagsfordroid.com
http://www.tagstand.com/
thats where i order from
I posted this in the Nexus 4 forum as well, but figured just cause you have one doesn't mean you have the other and it's important info for Nexus 10 owners too. If this violates a policy, please forgive me and delete.
I'm the owner of AndyTags.com and my sole business is selling NFC Tags so you can imagine how thrilled I was when a customer contacted me shortly after the Nexus 4 came out to let me know his tags didn't work with his phone. To make things even more fun, a few days later another customer contacted me to say he had just gotten the Nexus 4 and was worried that his tags wouldn't work, but they did. So I began a lot of research, and along with a fellow Android fan who owns a Nexus 4 conducted extensive testing to get the final word on compatibility. There's a lot of confusing info out there so I thought I'd share these facts with you guys to make it simple so you could buy the correct NFC Tags for your new groovy Nexus 4.
The Nexus 4 & 10 are NOT compatible with Mifare Classic tags because Mifare Classic tags do NOT adhere to the NFC Forum's Standards. They can not write to the tags nor can they read information that someone else has written to the tags. However, they can detect the UID Code (kinda like a UPC code) of a tag which is unique to every tag. So, if you use an app like NFC ReTag or NFC Task Launcher which has the ability to just detect a tag and read it's UID code, and then launch settings/profiles/etc then you can still use Mifare Classic tags with the Nexus 4 & 10. This is why some people keep saying they are compatible. Just remember, technically they are NOT compatible - the phone can just read the UID code off of the tag.
What kind of tags DO work with the Nexus 4 & 10? Any tags that do adhere to the NFC Forum's standards. The most popular of which is the NTAG203. Unlike the 1K Mifare Classic which has 700 bytes of usable memory and is fairly inexpensive, the NTAG203 tags have about 140 bytes of usable memory and are slightly more expensive in general. However, 140 bytes is plenty of memory for most settings/tasks launching NFC Apps. Many apps, such as NFC Smart Q, allow you to create tasks and see how much memory is needed even without having tags so you can do that before ordering tags to make sure it's enough. The only things that it might not be enough for are vCards or if for some reason you want to program a really long text string to a tag (like more than 130 characters); but since most of us want to use tags to automate things, 140 bytes is enough for that.
What problems might you encounter using Mifare Classic tags to trigger events using the tag's UID? If you only use one app that detects a "blank" tag (Mifare Classic's are seen as blank by the Nexus 4/10) and read's its UID code and triggers a set of rules/settings/tasks based on that then you shouldn't have any problems at all! However, if you have more than one app that detects blank tags, then anytime you tap a Mifare Classic tag, you'll get a pop-up box asking you which app you want to use to execute the action which defeats the purpose of automation.
What is the deal anyway? Why don't the Mifare Classic tags work with the Nexus 4/10 like they do with all other Android phones? Basically, NXP is one of the leading manufacturers of NFC products. They not only manufactured the NFC hardware built into pretty much every Android phone out there up to this point, but also manufactured most of the popular NFC Tags in use. At some point they designed the Mifare Classic NFC Chips and designed them specifically to be compatible with their NXP hardware, but did not design them according to the NFC Forum standards which meant they wouldn't necessarily be compatible with all NFC hardware by other companies. Since pretty much all Android phones used the NXP NFC hardware, this wasn't really an issue and still isn't for most people. However, either Google, LG, Samsung or all three decided to use another company's (Broadcom) hardware in the Nexus 4/10. While any NFC Tags made by any company that adhere to the NFC Forum's protocols will work fine, because the Mifare Classic does not meet those criteria it is not compatible with the Nexus 4/10.
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I may be way off here, but this really really sounds like a software driver or firmware update could take care of this issue... Can't believe if it's the same technology speaking the same language that this isn't possible down the road... Come on hack community, this one has your name all over it...
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I didn't know any of this, thanks for explaining man, this will be really useful when I decide to get some tags.
Looking for an NFC file transfer app that can transfer ZIPs, MP3s and such........ but not the kind that uses Bluetooth. Any suggestions?
This is legit a pretty dumb question.
NFC isn't for transferring large amounts of data, it's for low power transfer of near-field data. I doubt it will ever be used for any larger amount of data.
Anything that "uses NFC" to do transfers will be using Bluetooth or Wifi Direct. This includes "S Beam" on Samsung phones, docks (uses NFC to do the pair/connection), etc.
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This is legit a pretty dumb question.
NFC isn't for transferring large amounts of data, it's for low power transfer of near-field data. I doubt it will ever be used for any larger amount of data.
Anything that "uses NFC" to do transfers will be using Bluetooth or Wifi Direct. This includes "S Beam" on Samsung phones, docks (uses NFC to do the pair/connection), etc.
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So what you are saying is there is a HUGE.......... in fact, MONUMENTAL difference in size of a 128kbps 3 minute long MP3 (which is around 3-4MB) and a 2.5 MB picture with a resolution of 3264x2448 taken with our 8mp camera?
WOW! .............................alert the press! That's a Colossal difference in size!
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No difference between the mp3 or picture since they both would transfer via Bluetooth or widi. Nfc is for small amounts of info, considering Nfc tags are in the range of only a few KB of storage.
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For NFC think credit card authorizations, lights turning on when you enter a room, car unlocking as you approach it. Its not actually for file transfers.
I got mine to transfer a 2mb photo no problem
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I got mine to transfer a 2mb photo no problem
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Cool story bro. It wasn't transferred over NFC.... NFC only set up the connection, most likely the transfer was over Bluetooth or Wifi Direct.
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Cool story bro. It wasn't transferred over NFC.... NFC only set up the connection, most likely the transfer was over Bluetooth or Wifi Direct.
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Most likely wifi direct since NFC has a range of 30 centimeters. Thats why the phones touch or have to be waved directly over the NFC tag.
I have done extensive research on this very subject. Any file transfer dealing with NFC uses bluetooth, there's no way around it. With that said I recommend file expert. File expert is a file manager, backs up apps, also when sharing through NFC Bluetooth file transfer seems overall snappier
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NFC is not BT. From wikipedia:
NFC sets up more quickly than standard Bluetooth, but has a lower transfer rate than*Bluetooth low energy
. With NFC, instead of performing manual configurations to identify devices, the connection between two NFC devices is automatically established quickly: in less than a tenth of a second. The maximum data transfer rate of NFC (424 kbit/s) is slower than that of Bluetooth V2.1 (2.1 Mbit/s). With a maximum working distance of less than 20*cm, NFC has a shorter range, which reduces the likelihood of unwanted interception.*
Nfc - bump - s beam
Over the past year of head scratching and speculation, folks seem to have a better handle on the distinctions. If two S3's or two Note 2's touch in order to xfer an 800mb movie - the xfer completes in just a couple minutes, right? That xfer rate is well beyond nfc AND bluetooth. The long & the short of it is - will the Note ever get a mod to "perform this way". See? I didn't make the mistake of saying the wrong magic word - enabling all the factoid folks to jump in there and say *that's not what it does ..." and then the question never gets answered ... so - to ask the question without mentioning the technology type ... will we i717 fans ever get to bump large files in the manner that newer Samsung devices do.
I know what you mean. When i see the S3 commercial the movie moves instantly from one phone to the other, and continues to play from the same place. It looks good, but its only television, you know.
Do a search. The app is called File Beam.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.filebeamapp.android&hl=en
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Do a search. The app is called File Beam.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.filebeamapp.android&hl=en
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In order to transfer files using FileBeam, both of the phones must have the app.
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Here, let me send you this file. But first, install this app.....
Said nobody, ever.
I'd use CloudSend before I used this app.
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Nfc - bump - s beam
Over the past year of head scratching and speculation, folks seem to have a better handle on the distinctions. If two S3's or two Note 2's touch in order to xfer an 800mb movie - the xfer completes in just a couple minutes, right? That xfer rate is well beyond nfc AND bluetooth. The long & the short of it is - will the Note ever get a mod to "perform this way". See? I didn't make the mistake of saying the wrong magic word - enabling all the factoid folks to jump in there and say *that's not what it does ..." and then the question never gets answered ... so - to ask the question without mentioning the technology type ... will we i717 fans ever get to bump large files in the manner that newer Samsung devices do.
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That's where i was coming from with my original post. They make it look like a large file/movie can be transferred instantly.... Pretty misleading
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Well then, in that case, no.
The only way to send large files like the tv commercial (which is fake -- shocking!) by bumping, is to bump the other person as you pass the sd card to them.
All the "factoids" have been doing was attempting to tell you the truth. You don't get that from reality tv.
For such a luxurious phone the calculator should have Memory Store (MS), Memory Plus & Memory Recall functions. Both for the simple and especially the scientific modes. I find the lack a surprising oversight by Sammy.
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For such a luxurious phone the calculator should have Memory Store (MS), Memory Plus & Memory Recall functions. Both for the simple and especially the scientific modes. I find the lack a surprising oversight by Sammy.
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For such a luxurious phone the calculator should have Memory Store (MS), Memory Plus & Memory Recall functions. Both for the simple and especially the scientific modes. I find the lack a surprising oversight by Sammy.
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Plenty of free third party apps that would be more functional and add more than this anyway. Only benefit I see to the stock calculator is the one handed mode, which I don't use.
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Samsung isn't going to know about it posting here...
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I wanted to see what others thought. But good point, I'll submit it as an issue at their web site or in a survey.
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Plenty of free third party apps that would be more functional and add more than this anyway.
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True dat. I thought of that after I posted. I tried out 3 from the Playstore and kept MobiCalc Free and RealCalc. RealCalc is much more than I need but I like it's unit conversion features. I'm always trying to figure out miles from kilometers and volume differences.
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Only benefit I see to the stock calculator is the one handed mode, which I don't use.
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Actually I do move the board for right handed use. Just like the smaller keypad footprint as I don't actually use the device one handed. I rarely used my previous Treo one handed so no biggie.
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True dat. I thought of that after I posted. I tried out 3 from the Playstore and kept MobiCalc Free and RealCalc. RealCalc is much more than I need but I like it's unit conversion features. I'm always trying to figure out miles from kilometers and volume differences.
Actually I do move the board for right handed use. Just like the smaller keypad footprint as I don't actually use the device one handed. I rarely used my previous Treo one handed so no biggie.
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I'm a fan of RealCalc, it's definitely one of those "I probably don't need most of this normally, but it's nice to have" type of apps. Yea, I'm from the old Treo days too, so I'm just used to the two-hand use
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I'm a fan of RealCalc, it's definitely one of those "I probably don't need most of this normally, but it's nice to have" type of apps. Yea, I'm from the old Treo days too, so I'm just used to the two-hand use
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With the Note 2 I nearly always hold it in my left hand and use my right hand pointing finger or a stylus in my right hand to engage the screen. On my Treo I would do that but also 2 hand it to type on the keyboard.
This is the first phone I thought it worth it to drop my Treo for. In addition to the document orientation of the phone, multi-window and the large scrren, having used a stylus with the Treo, the fact that the Note 2 had one clinched my decision.
I use the 10bii calc so that I don't have to keep my financial calculator with it. Probably the best calculator app I tried on the app store.
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I don't know if others just missed it, but you can just copy and paste from the calculator...
There is that arrow above the numbers. It pulls up all of the calculations you have done. Just long press copy and paste into your new calculation. I prefer not to install a new app if I don't have to.
Hey guys.
I had a Note 4 and decided to give it to my sister and now wanting the S6 Edge. I had a 32gb note with a 64Gb card with about 38GB of music.
And Im now leaning towarda the 64gb model. Want to know peoples experience with their chosen storage. What did you choose and was it enough? Did you wish you went a step higher?
With the amount of data you had earlier, it's obvious that you need at least 64GB device. Don't forget that the S6 does not have expandable storage.
I had an LG G3 32GB with a 64GB card. It was a overkill for me, using less than 20GB of data on the card and a few more on the device. As for internal storage, for a 64GB unit, only about 55GB is available to you, so you gotta base your usage on that.
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With the amount of data you had earlier, it's obvious that you need at least 64GB device. Don't forget that the S6 does not have expandable storage.
I had an LG G3 32GB with a 64GB card. It was a overkill for me, using less than 20GB of data on the card and a few more on the device. As for internal storage, for a 64GB unit, only about 55GB is available to you, so you gotta base your usage on that.
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TBH I could survive with 32GB. But I got the 64GB. I got the Nexus6 in 64 for that reason. Well because I could!
My iphones are 128GB as well. Apple keeping 16 instead of 32 for the entry device is silly. Many will be frustrated when their (nearly full) devices cannot be updated to later iOS versions!
I probably would have got the 128GB S6 if it were available.
But I won't lose sleep over not having it.
OTG works fine for bulk transfers.
Air droid on our 5GHz AC network is plenty fast even for copying full roms and is it ever convenient!
I went for a 64gb. My old phone had 32gb and I was forever deleting stuff off it, I would have liked the 128 more but yeah at least I can now have a few games and more music.
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malgora said:
I went for a 64gb. My old phone had 32gb and I was forever deleting stuff off it, I would have liked the 128 more but yeah at least I can now have a few games and more music.
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32gb is enough for me, i actually store music on google music , you can upload your music to it using google music manager on PC , can have 50,000 and single file can be 300mb , of course you need data as it will stream, as im on unlimited don't have any issues and plays instantly , and when moving to another device can just log in its so quick, how things have progressed, i really dont have any use for sd cards now !:good:
I've only got a few albums (3 or 4) on my phone at the moment. I only get 1.5gb data so it's not enough to stream off the net, I would use it up to quickly. I have 15 games on here, some I'm only trying and deleting. I Still have 32gb free
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I got the 64. I could possibly have settled for the 32gb, but i prefer not having to worry about it, and be able to install a ton of different games that i probably wont play. The problem with 32 is that it becomes 21 after the system, and in my case 10gb less after you synchronize spotify, leaving me with 11gb for games/apps/roms/backups etc.
So 64 is a nice middle point, i feel like it's only in a few unique cases that 128 would be necessary.
I also came from a 32gb note with a 64gb sd card.
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Hey guys.
I had a Note 4 and decided to give it to my sister and now wanting the S6 Edge. I had a 32gb note with a 64Gb card with about 38GB of music.
And Im now leaning towarda the 64gb model. Want to know peoples experience with their chosen storage. What did you choose and was it enough? Did you wish you went a step higher?
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When switching from my Note 4 to my S6 edge and trying to determine the capacity I needed, I just looked at the total combined storage of what I was currently using on my Note 4. I understood that some of those files were OS related files.
I didn't feel like dealing with the hassle of deleting files just to switch devices and I was close to the 64GB threshold, so I went with the 128GB. I'm glad I did.
I'm a heavy Cloud user, all my music is on Google, pictures are stored on MS OneDrive, etc. I had a 16GB iPhone 6+ and wasn't too limited. Picked up the 64gb just because it wasn't too much more and gave me plenty of space.
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I'm a heavy Cloud user, all my music is on Google, pictures are stored on MS OneDrive, etc. I had a 16GB iPhone 6+ and wasn't too limited. Picked up the 64gb just because it wasn't too much more and gave me plenty of space.
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I don't mind using Google or Dropbox, but Microsoft OneDrive has the absolute worst upload rate of any online storage out there.
I tried uploading pictures to OneDrive several times and the upload speeds were painfully slow. After a quick Google search I realized it was a Microsoft issue that they refuse to fix. Microsoft keeps somewhat acknowledging it as an issue and releasing "how to" instructions tips in order to fool people into thinking they are helping, but they're not addressing the hardware issues related to the problem.
So much for that 2 years/100GB of space for free through OneDrive because I consider it pretty worthless.
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When switching from my Note 4 to my S6 edge and trying to determine the capacity I needed, I just looked at the total combined storage of what I was currently using on my Note 4. I understood that some of those files were OS related files.
I didn't feel like dealing with the hassle of deleting files just to switch devices and I was close to the 64GB threshold, so I went with the 128GB. I'm glad I did.
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everyone wants that. But its crazy expensive. Dont want to pay too much, cause I know a Note 5 is right around the corner.
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everyone wants that. But its crazy expensive. Dont wanna pay too much, cause I know a Note 5 is right around the corner.
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That's pretty much the story of my life. Something is always right around the corner. Truth told, I'll probably buy the Note 5, but there's no guarantees. I'm pretty happy with the size of the S6 edge.
The other thing I considered when pondering space was the fact that things start running slower when you start running closer to capacity. I like to leave plenty of overhead for the sake of keeping it nice and smooth.
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I don't mind using Google or Dropbox, but Microsoft OneDrive has the absolute worst upload rate of any online storage out there.
I tried uploading pictures to OneDrive several times and the upload speeds were painfully slow. After a quick Google search I realized it was a Microsoft issue that they refuse to fix. Microsoft keeps somewhat acknowledging it as an issue and releasing "how to" instructions tips in order to fool people into thinking they are helping, but they're not addressing the hardware issues related to the problem.
So much for that 2 years/100GB of space for free through OneDrive because I consider it pretty worthless.
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Sorry it isn't working for you, OneDrive has been gangbusters for me. I uploaded about half a gig and it didn't take that long at all. Sitting happily with my 1.12TB of storage and not planning on switching back any time soon.
16 would have been enough for me. I stream most things
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16 would have been enough for me. I stream most things
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16 is more than enough for me too.. I stream everything from my 14 tb plex server
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I opted for the 64GB version, only because the 128GB one wasn't available here (Samsung decided not to release that model here)! I keep some of my work docs on my device and occasionally need to access them when I have zero signal so cloud storage isn't an option for me unless it's personal pics or music or other unimportant stuff. If I need extra storage on top of the 64GB I'll just get me an OTG flash drive, but so far I still have about 35GB free so I should be ok!
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I have 26 gig of music, 104 apps, 13 gigs remaining on my 64. This is adequate for my needs, I've been on android for the start and have a consistent app package with the occasional new app coming on and an old app riding off into the sunset. You likely either know exactly how much you are using and whether that is on the move or not, if in doubt, get more. But then I'm a bit of a slut.
128GB. Version you can never have too much space. I use my phone every day and couldn't live with out it any more. When I'm that dependant on it why wouldn't I get the largest capacity?
Decided to take the 128gb myself. Didnt want to deal with storage problems...but crazzzy expensive here in europe.
64GB is plenty. Trying to sell the 128GB at a decent price will be harder once the Note 5 comes out as well, so went with the middle option.