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I've been following the new Lumia 920 since it was first rumored. Even after it was officially announced and the massive disappointment set in that it had nothing remotely close to the Pureview sensor, the saving grace was the optical stabilization and the idea of getting a smartphone with actual next-gen imaging capabilities that was a clear improvement over the same generic 8MP shooters the competition had been recycling for over two years. I checked google every day for "lumia 920", setting it to 24hrs and looking at the first two pages. However, the weeks turned into months, and even though there is a tentative November release date, the competition has already wrecnhed away a significant part of my interest in the Lumia, now that the holiday wars are starting. They should've never thought getting in the fray at this heated time would be a smart move.
When the Lumia 920 was announced, the best thing around was the Galaxy S III and the One X, both of which had already been a few months old and neither of which I liked. The One X I owned and wasn't wowed by. The Galaxy S III, another plasticky Samsung phone with a gaudy AMOLED screen that I had grown weary of after owning a half dozen Samsung phones prior. The iPhone5 came and went and I never cared for it either. Sony offerings were still a joke, and LG was half-hearted with the Optimus 4x. The Lumia 920 was the only one on my list. It was a guaranteed buy.
However, Nokia just kept pushing its luck, squandering their advantage, and now it's holiday season and the big guns are coming out with their 2012 Q4 lineup. LG has their Optimus G and even better Nexus 4 coming out. Motorola with their Razr M and Razr HD. HTC with their gorgeous looking 5" 1080p screen on the DNA/Butterfly. Sony with a possible Nexus 5. Asus and it's padfone 2. And other brands like Oppo throwing their hat in the flagship ring.
Windows Phone 8 is looking archaic in comparison. Microsoft still refuses to demo the rest of the UI. What can be seen looks no different than WP7 aside from more live tiles crammed in front. The slickness of the UI is basically a moot point by now. Android has reached parity with their quad-core phnoes, even without the help of JellyBean. The transitions on many of the custom skins are more complicated but just as smooth as any of the stark flying stuff on Windows Phone. This wasn't true a few months ago, when only the Galaxy S III's touchwiz looked truly smooth and all other Android phones, like the One X for example, couldn't quite make it. This smoothness is accompanied by far more functionality, with notification centers and widgets and everything else Android is known for. Windows Phone's signature smoothness, once a breath of fresh air from the choppy Android, falls to the wayside, and now there's nothing of real substance that makes it stand out above the Android competition.
The two traits of the Lumia 920 that kept me waiting for it are slowly losing their luster. The build quality is grand, but at this point I am fine with anything NOT Samsung made, and there are lots of premium quality phones to choose from. The harder one to swallow is the PureView camera, especially its top-class nightshot abilities. However, the 8MP camera really isn't better than anything out there, if you have a steady hand. I will lose the splendid night-taking abilities, but on further thought it really isn't that important to have to begin with. The biggest standout on Android phones right now is how big the screens can get while still maintaining such a small size with their thin bezels.
The Lumia 920 really needs to get released soon, and at a very competitive price.
I believe it will fail and we may see the slow death of Nokia. Android is getting stronger by the day and as much as I was tempted by a W8 phone I can't see myself leaving Android. Jellybean has bought many improvements things like Google Now and such.
The rumoured price for the L920 is high, higher than some top end Android phones!
Again we will need to see what WP8 offers because at the moment there are loads of core apps missing.
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I use android phones on daily basis and also from time to time my ip5. But will for sure get the 920, still looks damn sweet to me. And wp8 will be fun play around with for a change..
That doesn't say i not gona get the new nexus, htc, lg tho... but that is just android so not mutch new that will make me drool.
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I gave up waiting. I am disappointed with Nokia. In the end l went with the GN2 which has made me a very happy chappy!
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katamari201 said:
The harder one to swallow is the PureView camera, especially its top-class nightshot abilities. However, the 8MP camera really isn't better than anything out there, if you have a steady hand. I will lose the splendid night-taking abilities, but on further thought it really isn't that important to have to begin with.
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I have also stopped waiting and have ordered the Gnote 2 instead.
Aside from the build quality, camera, there really isn't anything that special the 920.
Windows Phone 8 is the same as WP7, with the new features being Microsoft merely playing catchup to Android- eg yay we now have NFC, microsd cards, drag and drop...Android has had this since the start...
More importantly, there is no app ecosystem with Windows phone and IF this is going to change (it probably will eventually), its going to take at least 12 months, in which time I'll reassess the latest Nokia flagship then.
For example, medical apps are pretty much non existent on WP with no plans from any of the big players to branch out into a market which has <4% market share. Even if this doubles in the next 12 months...8% is not a huge reason for devs to work on the platform.
Imo its too little too late from Microsoft...they're barely competing on quality with android and they're definitely not competing on price (which they could but won't)..so what's left?
In the meantime I will surely love my Gnote2 and reassess everything in 12 months
This Forbes article sums up WP8 really well: http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspe...-microsoft-windows-phone-8-is-not-a-surprise/
The GN2 won't disappoint you.
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I don't get it. How is the Lumia losing due to delays? The WP8 OS isn't even released yet (as in officially announced as released). Wasn't intended to be released until the PC OS was released (which was yesterday) and the announcement for WP8 is Monday.
Now, Lumia is not being released by AT&T until November 11th. I don't see how this is really founded.
The price point rumored will be $149 for upgrade so I think that is a VERY affordable price.
Maybe it's just me...
It was announced in September with no firm price or pre order date still (talking about outright for non US).
Outright price is rumoured to be $700 which is greater than the Gn2.
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It was announced in September with no firm price or pre order date still (talking about outright for non US).
Outright price is rumoured to be $700 which is greater than the Gn2.
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Yeah, it was announced back then. Windows 8 was announced long before that. Nokia may have been a little early on announcement, but to say that it has been plagued with delays in pretty unfounded as no firm dates were announced until the Windows 8 release date was announced. None of those dates slipped.
As for the outright price point, no firm announcements, but the HTC 8X is coming in at $599, so I would imagine it would be around there or a little higher.
I prefer this over the GN2, simply because I'm starting to get bored of android, but the 920 is a beautiful device anyway. Can't wait and the delays don't really bother me if I'm honest.
Dont get me wrong, I love the phone too and think the hardware is absolutely gorgeous
However, I can't bring myself to use a platform which is so underwhelming and unsupported by the developer community.
From someone which has direct access to the sdk- Wp8 is going to be the same as wp7 with catch up features to Android (eg micro sd support) + skydrive sync + kids corner + rooms. Nothing special.
As someone who was completely underwhelmed by Wp7, this along with the lack of apps isn't enough to get me to jump to Wp8 despite my boredom with android as well.
In 12 months the platform will hopefully mature more, at which point I'll take a look at the Nokia 930 or whatever second gen phone it brings out then.
I am still getting it. Actually got in on the pre-order with best buy for 599 retail. Loved my Note but shelved it and returnded my ip5 and sold my gs3 for the Lumia 900 and happy. The 920 will be the tits
A smart person will wait a few months and see how the platform develops. I'd love to get one on release day probably get one sim free off Amazon with returns period of 30 days then see how the platform does actually develop.
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A smart person will wait a few months and see how the platform develops. I'd love to get one on release day probably get one sim free off Amazon with returns period of 30 days then see how the platform does actually develop.
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Maybe if your coming from Android or IOS that may be the case. If you have a windows phone already its a no brainer. Windows 8 is fantastic I think so I see wp8 doing well. Won't knock of Android or IOS but Blackberry is in deep trouble.
I've owned a WP7 phone before. The Samsung Focus Flash. Was not impressed. I also played around alot with the Nokia 900. It's nice and slick and all that, but once you get past the superficial stuff, there isn't much underneath. I recently downloaded Letterpress for my iPad. Some reviewers were claiming it was the new Words with Friends. It had a very Metro inspired UI. It was slick and cool for a good minute. Then it got boring, and I found out I couldn't chat with players, do rematch games, and it wouldn't even notify me about games I lost. It made a great analogy for WP in general.
Honestly I still really like the Lumia 920 style and build. The 900 was great too. If only they weren't running WP7/8. I like super-solid and seamless unibody phones that look good. I also cannot sacrifice camera. Nokia is really the only true contender in this regard. HTC has a softer, more baggy version of a unibody polycarbonate phone, and a franky terrible camera (in my eyes only apparently). LG, Sony, and Samsung don't cut it in the build and style side. Motorola has good build, but man are their phones butt-ugly. Terrible camera as well. Build + Camera = Nokia.
But all the other factors come into play and you can't throw away everything else on your priority list just for the top two. If the Lumia 920 was running Android, it would drastically change the game and my perception of its value. Sadly, they are persevering still with WP, and MS hasn't stepped it up to make it compelling besides wasting money on pathetic attack ads.
BTW to the people who say the phone wasn't delayed. Yes we knew WP8 wasn't gonna get released until late 2012 and no official dates were set for the phone release. That's not the point. There was this great stretch of a few months after the Galaxy S III launch that Microsoft could've taken to its advantage. That's why I say they squandered it. It's not an official delay, but for everyone involved, the people waiting, and the people selling, it is an unfortunate time to release it now. Even the iPhone5 was saying "hey! I'm gonna cut you some slack! Even though I'm gonna sell millions, I'm gonna tinker a bit with my factories, add a bit of scuffing, and delay full production til later in the year! You can have a head start and woo over the handful of my followers who are tired of looking at my backorder page! And that second wave of Android phones hasn't arrived yet! Don't waste the chance!" If Microsoft is still thinking it can compete in a face-to-face battle with iOS and Android, its future is doomed.
If you follow video game releases, you will know that a flood of games are also released around the holiday months, late Oct-Nov-Dec. The saturation of games makes it difficult for many lesser known games to stand out. They get trampled by the big name franchises. That's why so many are delayed to January and February, even though they are finished products. Microsoft doesn't have the luxury to delay it til next year. Unlike video games, in the smartphone world, you have to live at the bleeding edge, or become obsolete. Nokia's hardware is basically being dragged down by Microsoft's software. Why is Windows Phone still incomplete after years of development and then an additional two years already on the market? And billions spent?
Then there's Microsoft's problem of trying to confuse consumers by flooding the market with half a dozen similar sounding and not wholly compatible products. Windows 8. Windows Phone 8. Windows RT. Microsoft Surface. Microsoft Surface with Windows RT. They are somehow suppose to synergize with each other by being released all at once. If I wasn't so well read on all of these things, I would be hopelessly lost. In the sea of Microsoft ads, you just might remember something yellow and shiny. Is it a phone? A tablet? A deskop operating system? Or was it the other way around? Youtube and Hulu are being flooded with Windows 8 et al. right now. The only good thing is that they are overspending my local GOP SuperPAC's attack ads. So tired of listening about America turning into socialist Russia.
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If the Lumia 920 was running Android, it would drastically change the game and my perception of its value. Sadly, they are persevering still with WP
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+1 I'd buy the phone in an instant if it ran android.
Nokia would easily usurp HTC and its uninspiring designs if it was in the Android game. Samsung has gotten so far ahead now that IMO only Nokia can be a true rival.
Of course they need to get on board Android first...which I can't see happening with Elop at the helm.
i cant hang on more
nokia u r failing the customers satisfaction. if u cant provide the 920, why launching it this early? i may buy optimus G.huh..!!
Omg the nexus 4 is only $299 for 8gb version!
Omg the nexus 4 is only $299 for 8gb version!
Omg the nexus 4 is only $299 for 8gb version!
I am selling my Galaxy Note 2 that I have had for a couple weeks (international version) to get the Lumia 920. I have owned just about every phone in the AT&T lineup and am bored with both the iphones and androids. Time to mix it up.
I currently have a Microsoft Surface, Lenovo Yoga 13, and a Samsung Ativ 500t on order to play around with the latest products for Windows. Exciting time for us geeks for sure.
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I am selling my Galaxy Note 2 that I have had for a couple weeks (international version) to get the Lumia 920. I have owned just about every phone in the AT&T lineup and am bored with both the iphones and androids. Time to mix it up.
I currently have a Microsoft Surface, Lenovo Yoga 13, and a Samsung Ativ 500t on order to play around with the latest products for Windows. Exciting time for us geeks for sure.
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Once I hit the lottery, or rob a bank, I'll join you! Or find Obama's secret college transcripts and give it to Trump!
Sorry I know if everyone asked these general questions about what to buy the forums would be flooded. Hopefully posting in the general section I'm not getting in the way of any important development threads or anything. I wouldn't ask if I weren't really struggling with some indecision here.
I'm a Verizon customer, still have unlimited. Using a Droid Bionic with Carbon Rom. I'm planning to buy at full retail price to leave my data plan in tact.
LG wasn't really even on my radar. HTC One was originally what caught my eye for the styling and great reviews, then the new wave of Droids came out, and now the G2. I think I'm fairly decided in terms of currently available devices and don't need help there, I would get the G2 if it came down to what's on store shelves right now. I've seen comments on the HTC One camera ranging from amazing to garbage, and not sure I would like Blinkfeed. The One speakers would be nice but can't say I really need internal audio from my phone that much. Doesn't sound like the Droid Maxx battery is really thrilling anyone, plus with upgrading at full retail price it kinda isn't all that interesting to jump from one Moto Droid to another, it'll just feel like a differently shaped Bionic. Moto X seems interesting everyone keeps saying it's the best all around form factor and the most refined that an Android device has ever felt, but I think I'm ready for a bigger screen and battery.
I'm more a bit hesitant that I'll get the G2 and then the Nexus 5 or Note 3 is going to be amazing. Although I'm well aware of the crop of Nexus 5 rumors, apparently not having Verizon's LTE band (then counteracted by a newer rumor saying there may have been an FCC filing for a separate Verizon LG device that wasn't the G2 and could be their variant of the Nexus 5). Plus a rumored smaller battery for the Nexus compared to the G2 which would lower my interest in it. Note 3... I'm not really dying to own my first Samsung but it seems it might outdo the G2 in a few ways, more Ram, SD card slot, etc. Obviously anything compared to the Bionic I have will seem nice, 32GB (or the 20-whatever that's actually available after system install) on the G2 will be plenty, I am used to working with the 16gb I have on my Bionic and am used to having to send stuff to my PC harddrive if my phone gets too full.
I've owned LG in my cell phone history, had an LG Dare and then an Ally for my first Android phone. Their hardware is alright but if I recall correctly they are pretty iffy about timely updates and then just stop supporting devices once they hit a certain age. But then Motorola pulled the same stunt during my Bionic ownership and most of you will know about how long it took Bionic to get system updates. I don't think I ever really saw myself going back to LG as I've felt the same indifference towards them as the rest of the community for a while now, although it kinda says something about them that they're still good enough to keep getting contracted for the Nexus devices. And then this G2 landed on my radar out of nowhere.
G2 camera sounds great with a few reviews sprinkled in that suddenly didn't think it was all that amazing, but I take pictures like crazy, camera is important, I think I may even sell my Sony Nex 3 full size camera as a way to help pay for a phone upgrade, the big camera just sits here and collects dust when I can have a camera in my pocket all day in a phone.
Important aspects to me, battery life (sick of charging my Bionic constantly, I think my extended battery is wearing out because I can just watch the percentage drop like a rock as I use it), quality display would be nice after settling for the Bionic with it's blah pentile screen, camera as I mentioned above, other than that I browse, text message, need Tethering, and use Pandora in my car. And I do care about developer support, I like messing with Roms, but if the factory Rom is decent once you get it set up, I can live with not having as large of a dev community as S4 might have or whatever. So yeah with that said it seems like a no brainer saying display-battery-camera, G2 sounds to be the best at all of that right now, I'm just worried about what else is coming out this holiday season. I know the Nexus announcement is rumored for next month but I just hate to wait just to find out it's not coming to Verizon or is definitely going to have some lame 2300mah battery. You know how it is when you're ready to upgrade...
-I suppose we'd all be guessing, but how good are people feeling about the G2 getting a KitKat update in a reasonable time window? This is the LG flagship so I would hope for good support, but the LG skin and addons are so overwhelming and heavily skinned devices always take longer to get their updates out. I'd be thrilled to get this phone but that would quickly turn to disappointment if we're waiting for 4.4 longer than anyone else.
-How is developer support looking? Have any big names pledged to add the G2 to their supported devices? I really like Carbon Rom on Bionic. I suppose it's a good sign that root and loki happened right away but so far Rom releases, especially for VZW, looks slow.
-Speaking of ROMs, do we have any idea if any of the stock stuff like knock-on etc will ever be able to be pulled and applied to a custom ROM, or is it pretty much a guarantee that if you switch to anything but stock you're going to be sacrificing a lot of the factory features?
-I noticed the G2 doesn't even come up on the Top Devices window at the first XDA forum portal, is that a bad sign for community interest in the device? HTC One, Note 3, etc all show up as the top devices on XDA right now. Is there a community behind this device or not really? Does everyone dig the specs but shy away from LG with their heavy skin?
-It WiFi tethering working with the current root exploit? I use my Bionic as my home internet access, on the stock ROM it seems like FoxFi will stop working after a couple of days like it's detecting that I'm tethering, on Carbon ROM I can tether for gig after gig of data and no issue.
-I've seen more than one person gripe about thermal throttling and the G2 starting to run like utter garbage in certain conditions. That would certainly suck to spend 600 on. Is this widespread?
I don't think I'd regret buying it immediately but I see the potential that only a few weeks into ownership the "oh crap why did I go with LG" feeling will start.
For the awesome specs...yes. Its a great deal for what you get. I don't know if tethering is working yet but I do know pda net works. Top be honest with my wife and I we were concerned about going share everything but I got a music unlimited service for 50 a year and downloaded everything instead of streaming. We went from using 6+ gb a month to under 2. And almost all the music is ultra high quality which works perfect with the 24 bit DAC. I stopped using Pandora because of this...I can skip all I want no commercials and choose weekday I want. I am very happy with the lg UI MINUS the giant size. So fast there had been a fantastic dev community modding the stock rom. Coming from a GNex I am ecstatic to get TWRP already. I wouldn't be too sure that anything coming out from Samsung will be crackle since the S4 is locked down now. Battery is about 9-10 hours of straight screen and 24+ with normal usage including hours on and off of heavy use. The only thing I don't like is the weak out of the box speaker but they have already modded ATT gain to make it better. The Btooth audio and head phone quality makes for this Times a million. I don't see anything else coming close unless you are Andre the Giant and like the phablet Note type. The one is bigger with a smaller washed out color LCD. The speakers rock but it's not worth the lack of general power. Grey a quick window case it's s fantastic.
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Wow. There's about 5 minutes I can't get back.
Nexus5 will most likely never hit Verizon.
Big name devs? This phone is like a week old. Time will tell.
Wi-Fi tethering not currently working.
Buy it. If you don't like it inside of 14 days, return it. By that time, news of the nexus 5 should be out.
Thank you Devs. From my LG G2.
Wifi tether wasn't working on the S4 or One, I just had both phones on Sprint and T-Mobile with various roms and kernels. The only other phone I considered was the Note 3 but I can't stand the home button, would have liked the extra real estate but the G2 is still manageable for me to use one handed and a stylus would have been wasted on me.
This phone doesn't even need roms tbh.
I'd buy this phone all over again. No other phone feels like this one a atm.
LG G2
I was following every phone to come down the pipe for the last six months or more. I had an LG Nitro HD for my last phone and my first was the Sony Ericsson Xperia X10. The nitro was terrible. The only time that phone ran right was on stock gingerbread. The development was fairly slow and the community small because it was att only and wasn't popular at that. I was about as put off by LG as they come.
Two days ago, I bought the G2, and I absolutely love it. The battery life really is phenomenal. I say this because it had kept up with my initial high usage love for a new phone. I plugged in last night with 34% left after having almost six hours of screen on time at 80% brightness. The note 3 might be great,but then again it might not. Only 100mah larger battery with a .5in larger screen concerns me a bit. The processor is already insane in the G2 so that will likely not make a difference for a bit. The ram shouldn't be an issue for at least an upgrade cycle at minimum.
Honestly, the biggest difference between this and the nexus is battery and screen. Nexus is 5 in and only had 2300mah so unless Kit Kat has major battery improvements that phone was no longer a option for me. The tipping point for this phone over the moto x in my case? Development and community. This phone already has a larger forum Than the moto x. That's not the only determinant but helps significantly. Go check the nitro forum, this phone is already almost as large... this phone had root on day one I think it was and boot loader bypass within a week of launch. And a Rom 2days later. It may not be as fast some devices but that is still damn fast. Will this be a great dev phone? Too early to tell but it looks promising. And with the nexus being nearly identical hardware wise, that could help too.
Hope that helps.
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The artical at androidheadlines says about significantly less sales figures of LG G2 in spite of being great phone. (I can not paste link here).
It says :
LG wanted to sell at least 3 million units internationally, too, but they’ve only sold 2.3 million, which is 20 percent less than what they were expecting to sell. To reach even those 2.3 million customers, LG had to increase its marketing budget, too, but it doesn’t look like their marketing campaigns have been very effective. Unfortunately for LG, marketing campaign effectiveness also depends on how strong your brand is and if you’re the kind of company that creates excellent products.
Whosoever has seen my G2 mobile felt that it is the one of the best phone which they also should have owned. However, most of them were pretty unaware (before they saw my phone) about LG G2.
What are the reasons do you all feel for low sales figures?
In my opinion, may be following are the reason for its poor sales,
1) Poor Marketting ?? - In India, I see that LG has advertised phone very poorly. Even their advertisements were not that catchy when compared to Sony Xperia Z1, iphone and Samsung phones.
2) Brand Value ?? - LG is not considered as top brand for their phones. In fact LG G2 is my first LG phone. Before that I have used Nokia N900, Galaxy S2, HTC, iphone...but never ever thought of buying LG phone.
3) Not removable battery ??
4) Position of buttons ??
5) Competion has better mobiles ?? - Samsung Galaxy S4 and Note 3, Xperia Z1, Iphone 5S, Lumia 1020
6) Launch of Nexus 5 ??
Do you see any other reason for its poor sale?
Another reason would be bad update behavior on previous phones.
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I don't think it's LG's update policy. The Mainstream doesn't care when or how they get updates, they even don't know which is the current Android Version. We (here on XDA) are only a view percent of all Consumers.
Although i agree on bad Marketing. On the launch of the S4 there've been dozens of TV commercials, Newspaper adds and and and .. honestly i haven't seen a single TV commercial about the G2
Before the G2 i owned the S4, which was rather quickly sold (no regrets - bad Phone in my opinion) and the HTC One. Seen the G2 in a Phoneshop and quickly fallen in love with it.
But anyhow that's the burden of small Phone builder companies like LG or HTC. They suffer from the almighty Samsung even they build the much better Phones. I always would prefer a HTC or LG device over Samsung but that's not what the mainstream thinks
Its just visibility thats hurting them. The HTC One and S4 get all the headlines in the Android world, as far as branded unit go, and the N5 gets all the headlines as far as software is concerned, but the nexus isnt a big seller, despite what the Nexus nazis think.
LG should take this as a learning curve and make sure LG G2 is updated quickly, also adveritse the next phone a more. The G Flex has got some coverage beacuse G2 rolled the ball for LG, now it is upto them to keep the momentum going.
2.3 million might not be a great number, but it is the beggining, probably LG will end with 2.5 million which is still pretty decent. This is how Galaxy series started for Samsung, G2 can do the same for LG.
It's all marketing. People will buy anything shoved in their face.
I'm in Malaysia and my G2 is a Taiwan set since LG Malaysia doesn't care at all to launch this device here. Luckily lots of importer saw this opportunity to sell imported sets here.
Brand? LG seems to be doing well in other department. It's all about marketing really. I was in Aeon plaza the other day. People were all flocking in Samsung shop while Sony shop next door is empty.
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What a shame. This is such a great phone.
I agree that the problem is branding and marketing. Samsung marketing budget is insane.
I see LG commercials on TV all the time, plus the carriers seem to be pushing the phone. I guess it comes down to brand recognition and a bad reputation of being slow on updates..if any at all, they're headed down the right track if they keep the momentum going, 2014 could be a successful year for them.
I think the problem lies with the salespeople. When I was waiting for the Sprint variant to come out, I went to 5 different stores that sold cell phones (2 best buys, 2 AT&T stores, and a Sprint store.) Only one of them, of the five had a G2 on the display. There weren't any advertisements for the G2 (posters, nothing.) in 3 of the stores, and 2 of the stores the salespeople didn't even know what a G2 was.
The only store that had a demo unit was the second Best Buy I visited and when I went to pick up my device from them, they insisted I go with the Note 3. I just have to say, with Samsung being the standard, it's hard to fight against but LG's marketing is very weak here, at least in Jacksonville FL. Of course, all five stores I visited had Samsung ads plastered on every square inch of available space they had.
One thing: LG needs to dish out faster updates. Like Kitkat should come in Jan 2014 itself. All the trch websites are bound to pick up on that. Samsung nerds did good publicity for them and hence they are where they are. LG needs to make sure that whatever limited customer base they have gets the best service in terms of hardware and software.
Average buyers will follow soon.
1 For many people that know about the companies, it's the history of the updates. I was very hesitant because of that. That can be corrected if they push out updates and keep them coming for at least a couple android versions. Look at Samsung's reputation after the Moment. That phone was a pain in the arse and turned me off of Samsung. But they have definitely come back from that. LG can do the same by keeping this phone up to date.
1 For the general population is the timing. A LOT of people renewed their contracts with a HTC One, or the S4 or Note3. So they "couldn't" get the G2, because they don't want to pay full price.
Having a removable battery and an SDcard slot would have been a huge benefit.
Marketing would have helped a lot too, especially for companies like Sprint with the G2 being the first phone to support Sprint Spark. And for Verizon to advertise more about the wireless charging being built in.
For the comment about the sales people, at the Sprint store I went to, they highly recommended the G2 when I went in to compare the S4 and the G2.
I think it's due to the marketing of the device more so than the reputation of LG. I've seen maybe 5 G2 commercials on prime time TV shows. They need to sell the strengths of the phone, which to me is the speed and the huge battery. Only once have I completely drained the battery and that's because I was using it literally all day. If they sold it like the droids 48 hour battery life and mentioned the processor is on par with a new laptop people would be more interested. I think Samsung has cornered the market with the S4 because of their marketing. Don't they have a marketing budget of like $24 BILLION next year? It's hard to compete with something like that.
Personally, I'm always apprehensive about buying any sort of electronics device. I never want to get stuck with a lemon but sometimes it happens. The only thing I can do to try to avoid that is to read and watch reviews to get a better sense of whats out there. Sales people are generally going to do whats best for them. They want the commission. So that said, I almost didn't go with the G2 because the reviews were very negative. In retrospect, I can honestly say the reviews were incredibly unfair. But the average person might be swayed by them. Seriously, if Apple or Samsung put the volume and power button in the middle of the back of the phone it would be hailed as innovation. But LG did it and it was panned. The funny thing is, I don't think its nearly that big of a change as reviews made it out to be.
I think Post #2 hit the nail on the head.
LG really screwed over every previous owner with updates. And you can't say "oh the average user doesn't care about updates" is a big load of crap. People have been expecting updates ever since the first iPhone. This isn't 2005 where everyone has a flip dumbphone. EVERYONE looks for updates. Why do you think Samsung is so big now? Because everyone knows that Samsung will push 1-2 updates out to you and the software is quality. LG got the G2 right with software and hardware quality (no bugs or broken issues) but past LG phones have been notoriously known for having quirky bugs (reboot issues, overheating, GPS, etc) and never getting updated.
LG's previously history is so bad, that I am receiving Class Action Lawsuit papers in the mail on the LG G2x.
This hurts sales and it is nobodies fault except LG. This is exactly what happens when you don't take care of your customers (in any aspect; washer/dryer, tv, etc). I love the G2, as many do, but I really really really beat myself up over picking one up. I almost didn't do it just because it had LG on the front.
I can see LG has a winner with the G2. Their marketing team is doing a great job because I am seeing tons of commercials and ads for it. The name is getting out there and sales will probably be steady moving forward. But LG has to keep the ball moving with a steady stream of updates for the G2 or else they will be right back in the same "oh our sales numbers are low and we don't know why" category next generation.
Bad marketing and the name brand are the culprits.
An average Joe doesn't know and doesn't care about what inside the device, left alone which version of the OS. They don't know whether its 4.2.2 or 4.4.2. Average Joes don't care about the update, they just simply want to use the phone.
Samsung is too big in the market and overshadow the LG, not only in the the Android phone market but also in TV market.
It's the brand and marketing. Plane and simple. A name like galaxy sticks in your head. You hear droid... and you know what someone is talking about. G2? It doesn't stick in the mind. People like catchy. Also, Sammy slammed the crap out of iPhones in its commercials. The next big thing is already here. That's genius. Learning from you.. yawn lol. Why did the og droid do so well? Was it better then an iPhone at the time? No.. but it's ad campaign and branding was amazing. The idont commercial was one of the best ever.
When non android users ask me about my g2.. they say one of 2 things. Is that one of those galaxy phones or is that a droid phone?
When the galaxy nexus was first leaked, it was either the droid nexus or nexus prime. I was actually really bummed when it was called a galaxy because of how cool nexus prime sounded to me. Point is, I almost didn't buy it because of its name.
Branding matters....
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I think how its been marketed and not the quantity of ads. I've seen a ton of ads in southern California, but it's all about the back buttons and camera.
If they focused on how much of a beast it is, it might have turned a few more heads.
The droid 48 hour claim ain't nothing (good commercial though). I'm on hour 58 with 25% battery remaining.
It's a beast, sell it as such.
My $0.02
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They definitely need to push the battery more in their advertising. It's the only reason I got this over the Nexus 5!
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I think Post #2 hit the nail on the head.
LG really screwed over every previous owner with updates. And you can't say "oh the average user doesn't care about updates" is a big load of crap. People have been expecting updates ever since the first iPhone. This isn't 2005 where everyone has a flip dumbphone. EVERYONE looks for updates.
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This is simply not true. Out of EVERYONE I know with an Android phone, not a single one of them has EVER asked me how I like the new update, or when will we get an update. EVER. Those of us that know anything about upcoming updates are the rarity. We only know about them because of the sites we visit and participate in. Most likely a fraction of a % of the total smartphone universe.
Thanks Devs. From my VZW G2.
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This is simply not true. Out of EVERYONE I know with an Android phone, not a single one of them has EVER asked me how I like the new update, or when will we get an update. EVER. Those of us that know anything about upcoming updates are the rarity. We only know about them because of the sites we visit and participate in. Most likely a fraction of a % of the total smartphone universe.
Thanks Devs. From my VZW G2.
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My colleague has said this to me, "All I did is install an update and everything looks different."
I believe that people want to be on the latest software available to them, but don't have the slightest clue what's different between versions.
Now that cm13 is close I am considering making the jump to this phone from current iPhone 6.
Anyone here who have jumped from iPhone to oneplus x that could tell if it's "ok" or that they regret it etc ?
Thanks in advance.
I personally don't have an iPhone, but other than camera I think OPX can beat iPhone 6, because OS is as fluid as iOS, day to day performance is good and stable and yess it needs some optimizations ( gaming, camera) but it will be fixed with future updates. And Android 6.0 will make this phone trully amazing. Just some patience. It's really unique phone from unique company.
I was about to buy either iPhone or one plus 2 but went for this like this better than 5s which was the previous phone i was using
I came from an iPhone 5 (used other Android Phones before as you can see in my signature) and I am pretty statisfied with the OPX, except for the Camera, which barely use, so it's not a game changer.
If you don't really want to have a OPX and use Android I would stick with the iPhone because of it's overall better hardware.
I switched to android this summer after 8 years of using iPhone. It was just not worth it anymore. The premium price you pay, the closed apple universe, etc... android is much more open, so many devices to choose from, CUSTOM ROMs^^, way cheaper to get good performance, etc. I got used to android by now and I don't have much to complain about.
I decided to buy the OPX because I liked the size and screen (5" Full HD AMOLED) and the dual sim capability. However, Oxygen OS was a big let-down. Luckily, there are some CM based ROMs already. Works well for me.
Another word about the storage: I always got the 16GB iPhone because it was the cheapest and I didn't store any music or movies, games on it. But still, with iPhone I ran out of space quickly. On my OPX I have several GB free!
I would say get youself the phone now and try it out, it is not expensive and has great hardware performance. After just a few months for me with android I couldn't imagine going back to iPhone now. (still loving my macbook air though)
Happy Holidays!
I bought this as my first android phone after using Iphones for 6 years, 5s being my last one.
Since I hate the iphone 6 design and I couldn'T wait for the 7
I instantly flashed a custom ROM and I'm loving it.
I have to admit I miss how well my iphone worked with my macbook compared to this.
But I'm sure I'll find workarounds for it.
I'm running this phone for 20 days now and I haven't touched my iphone anymore.
This device might not have the high end specs of the iphones but you have to ask yourself the question: do i need those specs?
Once I properly asked myself that question I came to realise mid range specs are already really good nowadays.
I'm not a hardcore mobile gamer, I'm not a photographer nor am I a music addict that needs the best of the best.
If you think the same like me, just go and buy the phone.
You won't regret it
yeah the specs! who needs high end, expensive hardware for texting and browsing?
not me
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Now that cm13 is close I am considering making the jump to this phone from current iPhone 6.
Anyone here who have jumped from iPhone to oneplus x that could tell if it's "ok" or that they regret it etc ?
Thanks in advance.
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I picked up one at the retail store on while I was in Shanghai last week and don't regret it. The default font size is larger than the iPhone 6, and overall it is lighter and nicer to use. This is my first Android phone as I have had almost every iPhone model since the 3GS came out. I am very happy with it.
It seems like news surrounding this device is really, really slow. What's going on?
I've been a long-time Note user and have recently become disenchanted with the Note line. Although I am an S-Pen addict, I've always been more attracted to phones that have something really unique about them ... hence, my interest in the Phab 2 Pro. I had the LG Optimus 3D and loved the 3D features and screen, and the raw power of the phone, but the trend died out and LG stopped updating it.
Anyway, I'm not just interested in the Phab 2 Pro, I'm totally obsessed with it. Are there any other people out there who are as excited about this phone as I am?
I'm not a developer, so I'm going at this phone from a pure consumer vantage point. But I want to drum up some excitement or something ...
So what is your level of interest? Curious? Planning on developing for it? Planning on waiting in line on Day One?
I plan to be FIRST in line on Day One.
You aren't the only one. I check Google everyday...like everyday twice a day..I can't wait I've already set the money aside for it lol I want it so bad I wanted to pre-order it on August 1 just so as soon as bestbuy opens I can just walk in and grab it. Like best buy opens at 10 I'm trying to have it and be in my car by 10:10 lol
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I'm going to get one Launch day! I am amazed, very little news on this device! I too have been trawling for updates, and not much to be found!
Definitely can't wait been interested in this phone since I heard the announcement, will be putting down my nexus 6 but will still be used for VR fun. I'm also interested in Project Ara from Google but not sure if AR will be part of modular phones. My main reason for getting this phone is a bigger screen than my nexus 6 (I'm a gamer) and AR obviously. On a side note Intel is coming out with a VR & AR combo headset next year no smartphone or PC required. You can also use your naked hands to interact in the VR world.
I will am also be coming from a Nexus 6 once the Phab 2 Pro comes out. Sure would be nice for a definitive release date to be set though.
Announcement will be very soon I'm assuming, here's a video posted today, it's from a Greek website I had to use Google Translate
Translated site - http://goo.gl/SuWcR3
Original site - http://goo.gl/ybYYyi
Note 4, here. I'm anxiously awaiting this, LG V20, and to see any other announcements. I WANT this size with the high resolution. Every other huge phone has been low end garbage. I'm a huge guy, I like the size. The camera/Tango setup looks nice, too. I can actually use it
I am also checking everyday. Do you have any idea if it will be released in UK or Ireland ?
Bad news - Delays!
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Leno...cial-Project-Tango-phone-gets-delayed_id85312
I would be SUPER excited if I had even a bit of hope that Verizon will carry this phone. I doubt it, and I'm stuck in a rural area with only VZW or USCellular as my options. I had a Nexus 6, bought a used 6P (love it!) on Swappa, and I'm extremely disappointed that the next "large" Nexus or Pixel is only 5.5"! Ugh. Maybe the V20 once it's rooted...
I'm definitely getting this phone when it eventually goes on sale. The best source of information I've been able to find for updates about the phone is twitter. From everything I've read so far, it may be out by late October or sometime in November. #Phab2Pro #WaitingNeverStops
This official looking marketing video would seem to confirm a November 2016 release.
Which marketing video would that be? I have seen quite a few, though none that hint at a date.
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Which marketing video would that be? I have seen quite a few, though none that hint at a date.
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The video linked in my prior post. At the end it flashes very quickly "Available November 2016".
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The video linked in my prior post. At the end it flashes very quickly "Available November 2016".
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Ah. uMatrix was hiding the video from me.
Clay Bavor, the head of Google's VR confirmed that the Phab 2 Pro is coming in November.
https://www.cnet.com/news/google-tango-lenovo-phab-2-pro-november/
I'll be honest, it's pretty disappointing to see that so many corners were cut on the supposed flagship Google "Tango" device.
Snapdragon 652 - This processor is on par with last gen technology. It's not bad, but it's not exactly great either. That being said, don't expect it to match the iPhone 7, LG V20, or Note 7 in terms of performance.
Micro USB - Not sure what they were thinking here either. Most if not all new devices are now USB-C, yet here is a device that's implementing a last gen hardware feature. They really couldn't afford to increase the price by a couple dollars to implement a USB-C port?
LCD Screen - And the biggest disappointment of all is the lack of an AMOLED display. Nothing says "cheap Chinese phone" more than the lack of an AMOLED, which is extremely sad given that even the low end Galaxy and LG devices now sport AMOLED screens. (Hell, even Pixel has an AMOLED.)
I don't mind compromising on the first two points, but the LCD screen was a terrible decision, especially for a device labeled as "professional".
As much as I'd love to support Tango, I'm afraid this device simply cannot compete with the current flagship offerings. The gimmick is also doesn't carry enough weight to buy into this brand only to suffer with a sub-par display and Lenovo's questionable update practice.
I really hope Tango succeeds so that something more premium is made, but thus far it's looking pretty bleak.
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I'll be honest, it's pretty disappointing to see that so many corners were cut on the supposed flagship Google "Tango" device.
Snapdragon 652 - This processor is on par with last gen technology. It's not bad, but it's not exactly great either. That being said, don't expect it to match the iPhone 7, LG V20, or Note 7 in terms of performance.
Micro USB - Not sure what they were thinking here either. Most if not all new devices are now USB-C, yet here is a device that's implementing a last gen hardware feature. They really couldn't afford to increase the price by a couple dollars to implement a USB-C port?
LCD Screen - And the biggest disappointment of all is the lack of an AMOLED display. Nothing says "cheap Chinese phone" more than the lack of an AMOLED, which is extremely sad given that even the low end Galaxy and LG devices now sport AMOLED screens. (Hell, even Pixel has an AMOLED.)
I don't mind compromising on the first two points, but the LCD screen was a terrible decision, especially for a device labeled as "professional".
As much as I'd love to support Tango, I'm afraid this device simply cannot compete with the current flagship offerings. The gimmick is also doesn't carry enough weight to buy into this brand only to suffer with a sub-par display and Lenovo's questionable update practice.
I really hope Tango succeeds so that something more premium is made, but thus far it's looking pretty bleak.
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I agree that the micro-usb is outdated. But, at least i'm still able to use all my old charging cables.
Anyhow, I just received the Phab2 (base), and while this model has a different screen supposedly, it is very clear and bright. moreso than i was expecting. if the low end version is this good, the pro must be pretty swell.
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I agree that the micro-usb is outdated. But, at least i'm still able to use all my old charging cables.
Anyhow, I just received the Phab2 (base), and while this model has a different screen supposedly, it is very clear and bright. moreso than i was expecting. if the low end version is this good, the pro must be pretty swell.
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So where are you using this phone and on what service? I'm interested in the phab 2 pro but have never used a phone not supported by any carriers and they will never support a larger than 6 inch phone. It seems that this should work for at&t but I'm a little surprised people don't talk about the lack of carrier support a little more. I wonder if that is why it got delayed. Lowes and Best Buy have to figure out how to sell unsupported phones to people who have never bought one.
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So where are you using this phone and on what service? I'm interested in the phab 2 pro but have never used a phone not supported by any carriers and they will never support a larger than 6 inch phone. It seems that this should work for at&t but I'm a little surprised people don't talk about the lack of carrier support a little more. I wonder if that is why it got delayed. Lowes and Best Buy have to figure out how to sell unsupported phones to people who have never bought one.
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as of now, i switched from a t-mobile(metro pcs) phone to this and am on 4g only in the US, Florida specifically. I will hopefully be going to at&t next week, assuming i have time. regardless, 4g has been enough for the time being, but i don't like paying for LTE and not getting it.
my guess would be that upon release, all models will become either an AT&T exclusive or at least be advertised by AT&T, but i still can't even confirm the LTE bands this phone uses. Lenovo tech support says 1900, 1700 and 700, but he had googled it, as they don't have spec data yet, apparently.