Whatsapp "Failed out of memory please try again later" {FIX{ - Galaxy Note 3 Neo General

It is common to get the error “failed out of memory please try again later” when trying to send pictures on Whatsapp or when you are trying to change your Whatsapp profile picture. This is basically a memory problem. It’s not as a result of not having enough memory, this error can happen even when you have Gigabytes worth of memory on your smartphone and SD card.
I have come across a lot of forums where this problem was discussed and people were wrongly advised to reset their phones and format their SD cards. This may quite solve your problem but you may end up losing a lot of other important data in the process.
The truth is that you don’t have to reset your phone or format your SD card to solve the Whatsapp failed out of memory please try again later error. I will advise you on several methods you could use to solve the Whatsapp failed out of memory please try again later error without having to reset your smartphone or format your SD card
Method 1: Restart your phone
Sometimes this error occurs as a result of your phone not being able to synchronize data with the SD card. When your phone has been on for a long while, there is a possibility some processes may have become idle or even dead, some other programs may have taken over the memory space for such idle or dead processes making it difficult for them to pick up memory when you try to use their applications.
So restarting your phone will simply refresh all the running processes on your device, kill those you don’t need on startup and free memory for any application you want to run. So the first method to solving the Whatsapp failed out of memory please try again later error is to restart your phone.
Method 2: Unmount your SD card:
Since the Whatsapp program folder is usually in the SD card (path: /mnt/sdcard), it will be wise to unmount the SD card, waiting for some few seconds or minutes and reinserting it into the device. That way you would’ve stopped all the processes that depends on the SD card such as the Whatsapp giving you the error.
When you mount the SD card again, the processes will be refreshed and memory will become available again for your apps such as the Whatsapp and you can be able to send images or change display images without encountering the “failed out of memory please try again later error”.
Method 3: Reduce Picture Resolutions
Another way to avoid the Whatsapp failed out of memory please try again later error is to reduce the picture resolution. Most smartphones these days come with very high picture resolutions which make the pictures very clear and nice when taken but it also make the picture sizes quite high.
A 5MP camera with a 1952 x 2592 resolution can take pictures of almost 1MB each. Reducing the image resolution will reduce the image quality and size as well. You can reduce the camera resolution by going to your camera settings under resolutions and change it to a lower resolution.
Method 4: Delete Pictures from the Whatsapp folder
As you send and receive images on Whatsapp, and even when you view your friend’s profile pictures, they are automatically stored on your Whatsapp media and profile pictures folders. Use a file explorer such as ES File Explorer to navigate to /mnt/sdcard/Whatsapp/Media/Whatsapp Images and delete the images in that folder. You should also do same for the Whatsapp video, Whatsapp Voice Notes, Whatsapp Audio folders.
Clearing these folders will free up memory for your Whatsapp app to run smoothly without failed out of memory please try again later errors.
I hope I have been able to give you a working solution to solving the Whatsapp failed out of memory please try again later error. If one method does not work for you try the other, one will most definitely work for you.

Zubair1024 said:
It is common to get the error “failed out of memory please try again later” when trying to send pictures on Whatsapp or when you are trying to change your Whatsapp profile picture. This is basically a memory problem. It’s not as a result of not having enough memory, this error can happen even when you have Gigabytes worth of memory on your smartphone and SD card.
I have come across a lot of forums where this problem was discussed and people were wrongly advised to reset their phones and format their SD cards. This may quite solve your problem but you may end up losing a lot of other important data in the process.
The truth is that you don’t have to reset your phone or format your SD card to solve the Whatsapp failed out of memory please try again later error. I will advise you on several methods you could use to solve the Whatsapp failed out of memory please try again later error without having to reset your smartphone or format your SD card
Method 1: Restart your phone
Sometimes this error occurs as a result of your phone not being able to synchronize data with the SD card. When your phone has been on for a long while, there is a possibility some processes may have become idle or even dead, some other programs may have taken over the memory space for such idle or dead processes making it difficult for them to pick up memory when you try to use their applications.
So restarting your phone will simply refresh all the running processes on your device, kill those you don’t need on startup and free memory for any application you want to run. So the first method to solving the Whatsapp failed out of memory please try again later error is to restart your phone.
Method 2: Unmount your SD card:
Since the Whatsapp program folder is usually in the SD card (path: /mnt/sdcard), it will be wise to unmount the SD card, waiting for some few seconds or minutes and reinserting it into the device. That way you would’ve stopped all the processes that depends on the SD card such as the Whatsapp giving you the error.
When you mount the SD card again, the processes will be refreshed and memory will become available again for your apps such as the Whatsapp and you can be able to send images or change display images without encountering the “failed out of memory please try again later error”.
Method 3: Reduce Picture Resolutions
Another way to avoid the Whatsapp failed out of memory please try again later error is to reduce the picture resolution. Most smartphones these days come with very high picture resolutions which make the pictures very clear and nice when taken but it also make the picture sizes quite high.
A 5MP camera with a 1952 x 2592 resolution can take pictures of almost 1MB each. Reducing the image resolution will reduce the image quality and size as well. You can reduce the camera resolution by going to your camera settings under resolutions and change it to a lower resolution.
Method 4: Delete Pictures from the Whatsapp folder
As you send and receive images on Whatsapp, and even when you view your friend’s profile pictures, they are automatically stored on your Whatsapp media and profile pictures folders. Use a file explorer such as ES File Explorer to navigate to /mnt/sdcard/Whatsapp/Media/Whatsapp Images and delete the images in that folder. You should also do same for the Whatsapp video, Whatsapp Voice Notes, Whatsapp Audio folders.
Clearing these folders will free up memory for your Whatsapp app to run smoothly without failed out of memory please try again later errors.
I hope I have been able to give you a working solution to solving the Whatsapp failed out of memory please try again later error. If one method does not work for you try the other, one will most definitely work for you.
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For me, I simply clear the RAM from task manager and issue is solved.
Do the above mentioned methods permanently solve the problem?

There seems to be another error in whatsapp these days starting from last couple of versions. When you try to click photo from the whatsapp chat icon, not from the top attach menu but from the bottom right icon along with the microphone icon, it always gives camera failed error. Even though the camera is working fine the error persists and I am not able to send the pic. This is really annoying. Can someone tell a fix to that?
I m running ICS 4.0.4
WhatsApp Version 2.11.294

NabaKumar said:
There seems to be another error in whatsapp these days starting from last couple of versions. When you try to click photo from the whatsapp chat icon, not from the top attach menu but from the bottom right icon along with the microphone icon, it always gives camera failed error. Even though the camera is working fine the error persists and I am not able to send the pic. This is really annoying. Can someone tell a fix to that?
I m running ICS 4.0.4
WhatsApp Version 2.11.294
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Just a mere ram clean by stopping the apps through the task manager will solve your problem. Though it's not a permanent solution.
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It's not an issue of RAM or memory. It's a bug in whatsapp AFAIK.

NabaKumar said:
It's not an issue of RAM or memory. It's a bug in whatsapp AFAIK.
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It's obviously not a problem with the ram.. But kill the app and it's process and starting them again solves the problem temporarily.
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I have tried all the possible fix mentioned in this forum and avalilable on net.
But the issue seems to be not going for me.
Getting frustrated now!!

Been using whatsapp since 2yrs and this is first time I ever faced this error few days back while sending few photos . Just restarted and it kinda resolved but error would crop up again after a while so this looks like some sort of bug in the app itself and solutions in this thread are just workarounds

Force close whatsapp
Issue resolved.

Techgod said:
Force close whatsapp
Issue resolved.
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is it the same as restart the phone?

zyruswong said:
is it the same as restart the phone?
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Yup it does the same thing... But much easier...
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Zubair1024 said:
It is common to get the error “failed out of memory please try again later” when trying to send pictures on Whatsapp or when you are trying to change your Whatsapp profile picture. This is basically a memory problem. It’s not as a result of not having enough memory, this error can happen even when you have Gigabytes worth of memory on your smartphone and SD card.
I have come across a lot of forums where this problem was discussed and people were wrongly advised to reset their phones and format their SD cards. This may quite solve your problem but you may end up losing a lot of other important data in the process.
The truth is that you don’t have to reset your phone or format your SD card to solve the Whatsapp failed out of memory please try again later error. I will advise you on several methods you could use to solve the Whatsapp failed out of memory please try again later error without having to reset your smartphone or format your SD card
Method 1: Restart your phone
Sometimes this error occurs as a result of your phone not being able to synchronize data with the SD card. When your phone has been on for a long while, there is a possibility some processes may have become idle or even dead, some other programs may have taken over the memory space for such idle or dead processes making it difficult for them to pick up memory when you try to use their applications.
So restarting your phone will simply refresh all the running processes on your device, kill those you don’t need on startup and free memory for any application you want to run. So the first method to solving the Whatsapp failed out of memory please try again later error is to restart your phone.
Method 2: Unmount your SD card:
Since the Whatsapp program folder is usually in the SD card (path: /mnt/sdcard), it will be wise to unmount the SD card, waiting for some few seconds or minutes and reinserting it into the device. That way you would’ve stopped all the processes that depends on the SD card such as the Whatsapp giving you the error.
When you mount the SD card again, the processes will be refreshed and memory will become available again for your apps such as the Whatsapp and you can be able to send images or change display images without encountering the “failed out of memory please try again later error”.
Method 3: Reduce Picture Resolutions
Another way to avoid the Whatsapp failed out of memory please try again later error is to reduce the picture resolution. Most smartphones these days come with very high picture resolutions which make the pictures very clear and nice when taken but it also make the picture sizes quite high.
A 5MP camera with a 1952 x 2592 resolution can take pictures of almost 1MB each. Reducing the image resolution will reduce the image quality and size as well. You can reduce the camera resolution by going to your camera settings under resolutions and change it to a lower resolution.
Method 4: Delete Pictures from the Whatsapp folder
As you send and receive images on Whatsapp, and even when you view your friend’s profile pictures, they are automatically stored on your Whatsapp media and profile pictures folders. Use a file explorer such as ES File Explorer to navigate to /mnt/sdcard/Whatsapp/Media/Whatsapp Images and delete the images in that folder. You should also do same for the Whatsapp video, Whatsapp Voice Notes, Whatsapp Audio folders.
Clearing these folders will free up memory for your Whatsapp app to run smoothly without failed out of memory please try again later errors.
I hope I have been able to give you a working solution to solving the Whatsapp failed out of memory please try again later error. If one method does not work for you try the other, one will most definitely work for you.
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Thanks for starting this tread, one more app I found it useful to solve the issue. I installed "Quick System Info Pro" added the widget on my home screen and press the C button which stands for clear cache. Found out my cache was at an alarming 1.96GB. Hope this helps. Kudos to the app maker of Quick System Info, btw you may find the notification icons annoying you can turn them of under preference.

I went to my sent items on device storage and found that in there was a picture in Sent Items that I did not send! Have anyone heard of this ??

I have another issue but not in sending but in receiving ,
I friend sent me some photos when I tried to download it said " Temporary problem transferring this. Please try again later"
thought at first it is a connectivity issue so I tried when the connection is better still no use
switched on the auto-download media for photos to force whatsapp to persistently download it still no use
I doubt it is a SD card issue (you see I am using a S40 version of whatsapp and the application is actually in the SD card since it caches the data inside the jar file not as backups like the rest of files.. so I was forced to move it there so it don't overload the phone memory )
I am using a Nokia X2-02 (I know it is not listed but it is working to a degree)
version 2.13.27

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[Q] Move mail to storage card ?

OK, so I have an HD2 now and it's the same old problem Microsoft hasn't fixed. Yes, I can move both my attachments and mail to the storage card but if you move the email bodies to the storage card, the perpetual recurring "storage card2" problem still haunts us. If you just want to move the attachments to the card and you use the start the “Messaging” program, go to Menu, Options, Storage (tab) and check the box that says “When available use the storage card to store attachments” option, you will not have a problem. If you do reg edit yourself to accomplish this instead of letting the mail program create an attachment folder on your sd card, you may see the recurring 'storage card2' problem popping up after you receive your first attachment and soft boot. If you move the mail bodies to the card, you will no doubt experience this problem. After years of this problem, Microsoft has not had the courtesy or sense to fix it, which one of their programmers could probably do in an hour.
There are some that say this problem is caused by the mail program or a mail service calling up the mail attachment and mail directories on the SD card before the SD card driver is loaded. I'm not a phone or software hacker guru, but it doesn't make logical sense to me that any services or software can be loaded before the OS finishes loading the startup drivers. If this actually can and is being done on WM 6.5, someone please let me know ! A solution would be to change the loading order of the storage card driver to load sooner, which can be done through a reg entry, but if it's moved up in priority too much, before other possible dependent drivers are loaded, then the storage card will not load at all, and I'm not familiar enough to guess what priority I can move the card driver up to without causing issues. I'm also not convinced of this cause because if you just move the attachments folder to the card using the option in the mail program, you'll never have this recurring "storage card2" problem.
I can tell you that removing the mail notification from my today screen on my T-Mobile Wing definitely solved the problem. It may work as well if I remove the mail screen from the menu bar on my hd2 but I like that feature and I'm really more interested in solving the root of the problem once and for all.
PLEASE HELP ! Can anyone of you xda-dev's fix this problem once and for all !? Thousands of people have spent thousands of hours pulling their hair out over this issue and Microsoft doesn't care !
Here are my observations and comments from messing with this phone for an absurd amount of hours. These are an excerpt from a posting I made elsewhere so far without reply:
1. You don’t need to modify your registry to put attachments on the storage card. You simply need to start the “Messaging” program, go to Menu, Options, Storage (tab) and check the box that says “When available use the storage card to store attachments”. Soft reset. You’re attachments will now absolutely be stored on the storage card in a folder the program will create called Inbox.mstXXXXXXXXX.xxxxx with some numerical appendage. No "storage card2" issues.
2. You can make the above registry change to move the email body to the storage card, soft reset, then use the mail program and all of your email bodies will indeed go in to the folder you created. Until you actually download an email, you can reboot as many times as you like and no storage card2 will be created, but as soon as you download an email, a storage card2 folder will be created on your next soft boot.
You can usually just delete the newly created storage card folder without removing the sd card, and reboot at least twice and the 'storage card2' folder will automatically be renamed back to storage card and it will stay this way until you download another email and restart/soft boot. Then the storage card2 problem starts all over again.
I ultimately wound up putting the email bodies back into main memory and using the storage card for attachments. With the much larger amount of memory in the HD2 than older phones, I can store a more reasonable amount of email, however it does tend to slow the phone down when you store 1000 emails and it annoys the heck out of me that I can’t actually move all of this to the SD card.
If anyone actually comes up with a solution to the actual root of the problem, please let me know !
Thanks !
I Think I know cause
I had the problem (several times) before.
The trick to avoid: everything needed for winmo to run needs to be on internal storage.
I do not know how, but i feel if one could "delay" the startup of programs, or make programs dependent of each other, the problem can be solved.
Mail is crucial in Winmo, and always runs.
If mail is started before the sdcard is mounted the Storagecard2 problem pops up.
If it would be possible to delay startup of certain programs, I am convinced the problem disappeares.
Now WM has this possibility in HKLM/init with launchXX and DependsXX
Only..... What inits the sdcard?
Anyone?
Hi all,
I also possesses a HTC HD2 and I move the mails and attachments on the storage card. The problem is that the boot device storage card and rename it to "Storage Card 2".
The problem comes from Sense, it checks the mail at startup before the card is up, anyone know how one could detect the μSD before starting Sense?
I have HTC Sense disabled all the time. Same problem with Storage Card2.

♚ Media storage issue ♚

I'm running AOKP JB Build 5, and Dagr8's Kernel.
The rom is awesome, but something is wrong with my Media Storage, ever since I ran this rom.
I am suddenly experiencing duplicates of music files, and pictures, all stored on my SD card.
I clear data on Media Storage and reboot. I then have to wait an extremely long time before my SD card finally reads, then back to normal...
But then this re-occurs!
I can't figure out why or how to permanently fix it..
Help?
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I have seen users with this issue, when I had double [or ghost/double files] for my pic's [no music I use pandy] it was from restore quickpic from tibu, so I just reinstalled from the Market fresh quickpic app, it fixed that, but I have to from time to time backup my storage and just do a complete format, then put my files back on, I did upgrade to a better quality ext SD and did a fresh format of that and copied my files back on, no issues since then...
A side note, I had these issues going from ICS to Jbean, but since I did the above no issues on this, just my experience.
While I can't confirm this, I do suspect that the issue is caused by duplicate media storage events occurring within the rom.
This can be accomplished a number of ways, but I also suspect that it's an APK compatibility issue.
And depending on the roms used, will manifest itself when more than 1 app stores data, while the second APK will duplicate the data save function.
Check the rom carefully for more than 1 app performing the same function, such as a camera app or music app.
These APK's often have an auto save/restore feature, but save the files under a different file name and basically duplicate the save in 2 places.
Also, apps that auto backup will often save duplicate copies in different locations, by mistake, as they are not always compatible with every build.
Again, it's really a trial and error situation, as so many variables exist, and many apps share duplicated function without registration of a force close event.
I hope in some small way this may help you find the rogue apps.....g

[Q] SGS3 Gallery & Swiftkey Errors-Help Needed

Guys ,
I am currently using WanamLite XXELK4 V5.0 as my daily driver for my International Galaxy s3. Lately i have been experiencing two very annoying problems with the gallery and swiftkey apps. When i try to open my gallery from either the camera or gallery app (and at times even quickpic for that matter!) i get an error saying there is not enough space and i need to delete other items which is ridiculous since i have about 10 gig on stock memory free (i don't have an external sd installed).Secondly my swiftkey says it cant load the language pack and when i try to redownload it fails. I am mentioning this because these two errors almost always occur together.
Factory resetting my phone when updated to the xxelk4 rom seemed to have resolved the issues but only temporarily as after two or so weeks the errors are back. When in this state i also get database errors when trying to view the pics from Quickpic and when i take pics with the stock camera app (or third party camera apps) it shoots but does not save the images and it appears to be a data/database corruption issue but i don't understand what could be causing it i have run a disk defrag app on my phone once or twice and i wonder if this could have caused some problems with the integrity of my internal storage.
I have tried clearing app data but this does not solve the problem and fixing permissions in recovery proves to be only a temporary solution.I am hoping there is some help for me out there my internet serached thus far havent yielded any effective solutions.HELP!
dennygrawg said:
Guys ,
I am currently using WanamLite XXELK4 V5.0 as my daily driver for my International Galaxy s3. Lately i have been experiencing two very annoying problems with the gallery and swiftkey apps. When i try to open my gallery from either the camera or gallery app (and at times even quickpic for that matter!) i get an error saying there is not enough space and i need to delete other items which is ridiculous since i have about 10 gig on stock memory free (i don't have an external sd installed).Secondly my swiftkey says it cant load the language pack and when i try to redownload it fails. I am mentioning this because these two errors almost always occur together.
Factory resetting my phone when updated to the xxelk4 rom seemed to have resolved the issues but only temporarily as after two or so weeks the errors are back. When in this state i also get database errors when trying to view the pics from Quickpic and when i take pics with the stock camera app (or third party camera apps) it shoots but does not save the images and it appears to be a data/database corruption issue but i don't understand what could be causing it i have run a disk defrag app on my phone once or twice and i wonder if this could have caused some problems with the integrity of my internal storage.
I have tried clearing app data but this does not solve the problem and fixing permissions in recovery proves to be only a temporary solution.I am hoping there is some help for me out there my internet serached thus far havent yielded any effective solutions.HELP!
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[Q] Long-Term memory handling problem, please help!

This problem has got to the point of forcing me to register on XDA forums. I have a Samsung G II running android 4.1.2 (jelly-bean of course) and over the past week the memory (storage) handling has gotten really bad. It's as if the OS has given up on storing items now. Problems include-
After taking, receiving or downloading a photo (generally over whatsapp but it occurs to other apps like wallbase) The photo will be stored on my phone for the day until i turn off my phone, now after turning it back on however the photos are gone just leaving a blank space which displays "unable to load" in the gallery.
Next issues is that my apps i now install get installed in the next dimension because they don't appear to be on my phone even when i do a file search or plug in the device into my computer. But here is where it gets crazy they are on my phone and do take space up, but it's no where to be found.
The OS now presumes i have an SD card even though i don't have one plugged in. Because of this! big games and Apps now now try to use this fake SD that doesn't exist and this causes them to give me errors along the lines of "Sd is full or inaccessible". Pffft
Please someone help me, this issue is annoying me so badly and is rendering my phone useless if it can't store data.
I appologize you were forced to register here @ this great forum and though you still might find your answer here,ironic,anyway.Have you tried wiping cache,dalvik and fixing permissions,are you even rooted?I did'nt see you mention that,so i have no idea,also,you might want to back up what you want to keep and format and partition your sd card,not sure how big your sd crad is either,so you might need a bigger sd card for all your stuff.I myself use a 32GB Sandisk,class 10 and it works great,never ran out of space or had any speed issues on my OG EVO.
Diablo67 said:
I appologize you were forced to register here @ this great forum and though you still might find your answer here,ironic,anyway.Have you tried wiping cache,dalvik and fixing permissions,are you even rooted?I did'nt see you mention that,so i have no idea,also,you might want to back up what you want to keep and format and partition your sd card,not sure how big your sd crad is either,so you might need a bigger sd card for all your stuff.I myself use a 32GB Sandisk,class 10 and it works great,never ran out of space or had any speed issues on my OG EVO.
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Rooted? yes. I've deleted all the caches under the sun and still no results. And i have over 4Gb of free internal storage according to my phone. I have my data backed up but i'd rather have a direction to go before starting anything. :crying:
I'm not seeing anything for your phone except this... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2192122

Camera app crashing, and photos deleted from SD card

Having had a quick look through this forum's threads, it doesn't seem that this is an issue other people are having - but I got this phone a few weeks ago. Used it at a show I went to and I was really excited to share all of the photos and videos I'd taken but then found later in the night that they had all been deleted from the SD card. This doesn't happen when saving files to the internal memory, but I am still getting error messages.
Sometimes when I open the camera app, I get an error saying "SD card unavailable". When opening the camera app a second time, I don't have this issue.
I have already changed the SD card as I thought initially that this was the problem. I have used a file recovery program and though all files have been deleted from the DCIM/100ANDRO folder, only the last few photos that I took with the first SD card are recoverable, which makes me think that all the previous photos and videos I'd taken were probably saved but have then been deleted for whatever reason.
I'm using Android 10 (55.1.A.0.748) with NOBA customisation (though I started encountering this issue when using the phone at the end of November so I'm pretty sure I was using Android 9 at that point). I've not tried a software repair yet as I don't know if it will fix the issue and was hoping that someone else may have also experienced the same problem and can offer a nicer solution.
What type of formatting are you using in sdcard?
FAT32, EXFAT?
Test using a program on your computer, if possible using a memory card adapter only.
This kind of error I already saw and was due to a faulty sdcard.
Sent from my Sony Xperia 1!
Luhccas-X10 said:
What type of formatting are you using in sdcard?
FAT32, EXFAT?
Test using a program on your computer, if possible using a memory card adapter only.
This kind of error I already saw and was due to a faulty sdcard.
Sent from my Sony Xperia 1!
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I thought the problem might be with the memory card or the file system too but it's happening with two brand new memory cards, both formatted with the phone itself. Also the only data that was deleted was in the DCIM/100ANDRO folder; everything else was fine. Would you expect that to occur if the fault was with the memory card? Considering how much other data was on it, I'd have expected to already be experiencing problems in other apps if the memory card was the issue. I still get the error message when the phone's internal memory is selected in the camera app.
This is the directory that the camera application accesses.
Probably a problem reading instruction to write data to memory card.
That's why I suggested you test the card using some memory analysis program on your computer.
Try H2TESTW.
Sent from my Sony Xperia 1!
Luhccas-X10 said:
This is the directory that the camera application accesses.
Probably a problem reading instruction to write data to memory card.
That's why I suggested you test the card using some memory analysis program on your computer.
Try H2TESTW.
Sent from my Sony Xperia 1!
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The memory cards are fine. The problem is with the phone, but is it a software issue or a hardware issue?
I am recommending it because I have come across the problem you described.
But the error message also occurs when using the internal storage ?
Then try reinstalling the software from scratch using Xperia Companion.
Sent from my Sony Xperia 1!
The whole point of my asking on here was to try and avoid doing that but it doesn't sound like you've encountered this error in the same set of circumstances as me.

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