any way to make Isis work since it won't work on rooted phone or other options?
Someone may eventually come up with a workaround but I'd just use google wallet, it's better anyhow.
When I got my g3 at the Verizon store, the usually pretty knowledgeable sales guy told me I needed a new sim for the g3, that my old vgnexus 4gLTE sim would work (yes, it did) but with that old sim in I would NOT have any NFC at all. No google wallet, no Isis, no bump to share, Nada. He said that is because the new sim enabled NFC on the Verizon LG G3.
He also said I would need ISIS, since it was going to succeed where Wallet had obviously failed. Hard to like Verizon, isn't it...but that unlimited grandfathered data...sigh.
I'm still using my SIM from my galaxy nexus and I have used Google wallet many times with my g3.
I'm pretty sure with wants goin on in Iraq Isis will be getting a new name soon.
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trent999 said:
When I got my g3 at the Verizon store, the usually pretty knowledgeable sales guy told me I needed a new sim for the g3, that my old vgnexus 4gLTE sim would work (yes, it did) but with that old sim in I would NOT have any NFC at all. No google wallet, no Isis, no bump to share, Nada. He said that is because the new sim enabled NFC on the Verizon LG G3.
He also said I would need ISIS, since it was going to succeed where Wallet had obviously failed. Hard to like Verizon, isn't it...but that unlimited grandfathered data...sigh.
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I can believe that a new sim needed for NFC to access the Secure Element, but standard NFC should work independent of the the sim (at least it did on my galaxy s3). Wallet only "failed" because all major carriers, save for Sprint, locked them out of the Secure Element to begin with. NFC Host Card Emulation, introduced in KitKat, solves this problem and permits Wallet to work on any phone with KitKat and NFC. Even if ISIS worked on rooted devices, I would not use it because of the dirty tactics it was born from.
ericsmart said:
any way to make Isis work since it won't work on rooted phone or other options?
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Isis works if you install xposed with root cloak module.
Same here. I have no intention of ever running ISIS or whatever they change the name to. I use Google Wallet routinely and prefer merchants that accept it, including gas stations.
Works with all my Nexus devices, even the old Verizon Galaxy Nexuses once they are upgraded to KitKat via Roms like CM or Vanir.
root cloak then it is!
work like charm.
ericsmart said:
root cloak then it is!
work like charm.
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Yep, RootCloak is awesome. I personally use Google Wallet, except on small purchases since ISIS is doing the "spend $1, get $1 back" promotion until the end of December now. So a $1 drink at McDonald's ends up costing me $.08 (NY sales tax) haha.
tom1226 said:
Yep, RootCloak is awesome. I personally use Google Wallet, except on small purchases since ISIS is doing the "spend $1, get $1 back" promotion until the end of December now. So a $1 drink at McDonald's ends up costing me $.08 (NY sales tax) haha.
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right, we are cheap :sly:
bobcat987 said:
I can believe that a new sim needed for NFC to access the Secure Element, but standard NFC should work independent of the the sim (at least it did on my galaxy s3). Wallet only "failed" because all major carriers, save for Sprint, locked them out of the Secure Element to begin with. NFC Host Card Emulation, introduced in KitKat, solves this problem and permits Wallet to work on any phone with KitKat and NFC. Even if ISIS worked on rooted devices, I would not use it because of the dirty tactics it was born from.
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Verizon blocks use of the NFC secure element in the phone for things like Google wallet. There is a secure element on the SIM for ISIS. Verizon argued to the acc that they could certify the secure element in the phone was safe so they block it's access to their network. You can beam photos and stuff phone to phone....but anything done with it over the air must use the secure element on the SIM. I know there was a class action lawsuit against Verizon for this becaus they have a financial interest in blocking Google wallet vs making us use ISIS.
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So, the newer Google Wallet doesn't seem to require access to any secure element, on phone or sim, anymore since KutKat, right. The Verizon guy was just wrong, Wallet and bump to share would have worked fine with the old sim, just not ISIS ?
trent999 said:
When I got my g3 at the Verizon store, the usually pretty knowledgeable sales guy told me I needed a new sim for the g3, that my old vgnexus 4gLTE sim would work (yes, it did) but with that old sim in I would NOT have any NFC at all. No google wallet, no Isis, no bump to share, Nada. He said that is because the new sim enabled NFC on the Verizon LG G3.
He also said I would need ISIS, since it was going to succeed where Wallet had obviously failed. Hard to like Verizon, isn't it...but that unlimited grandfathered data...sigh.
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He lied. You might need a new SIM for ISIS because they store the secure element in the SIM not the phone.
Wallet emulates secure element now and doesn't need secure element on the phone or the SIM. The only real requirement is that you be running KitKat because touch to pay doesn't work on any older version of the OS.
NFC is built into the phone.
If you want ISIS on a rooted phone use Xposed and Root Cloak.
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Im curious if anybody knows if ISIS ends up beating out Google Wallet, will it work on our phones since we have the NFC chips required? Will we be able to use either or when isis becomes available? I know Sprint is the only carrier supporting GW and all others are gonna support isis. I guess Im just hoping if GW does end up failing that we can use isis instead.
I would think that you need a device certification or some other nonsense for the carriers to keep a tight leash on it but its just a guess
I would hope that sprint will use it also since all other carriers are. I would be sorely dissopointed if GW fails and am stuck with a nfc chip I cant use for its intended purpose I actually use my phone to pay for stuff at 7-11 and various other places all the time lol
Actually the cm team has an open alternative for cm9 right now. Once the development on cm9 is far enough along I'm sure the developers will bring to cmx. You could then just unlock and flash.
I know people have asked questions similar to this before, but all of those threads seem to be from a while ago.
Does anyone know if there is anyway to get google wallet? We have NFC, why can't we use it?
Is there any other option to pay with NFC?
Thanks
Both Google and VZW say it's not our fault or we don't know, I asked a rep why they listed Google wallet as an advantage of having a smart phone but it wasn't offered and I got a non answer.
For other NFC VZW is part of IRIS which just launched but only in Salt Lake City and maybe one other place and it should be active on Inc 4G's there I think, it was part of the last update.
davidetkin511 said:
I know people have asked questions similar to this before, but all of those threads seem to be from a while ago.
Does anyone know if there is anyway to get google wallet? We have NFC, why can't we use it?
Is there any other option to pay with NFC?
Thanks
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Both Google and VZW say it's not our fault or we don't know, I asked a rep why they listed Google wallet as an advantage of having a smart phone but it wasn't offered and I got a non answer.
For other NFC VZW is part of IRIS which just launched but only in Salt Lake City and maybe one other place and it should be active on Inc 4G's there I think, it was part of the last update.
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Isis tells me my device isn't comparable, I got the otb update at the beginning of the month. But it says I might need a new SIM card for it to work.
For anyone who wants to store gift cards like on google wallet or apple passbook, pass wallet does a great job.
davidetkin511 said:
Isis tells me my device isn't comparable, I got the otb update at the beginning of the month. But it says I might need a new SIM card for it to work.
For anyone who wants to store gift cards like on google wallet or apple passbook, pass wallet does a great job.
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You will need a new SIM, there is an encryption method used by Isis stored on the SIM.
I am coming over from an iPhone, so the whole NFC thing is still new to me. I am specifically wondering about the NFC on the HTC One (for AT&T)
I've read some articles lately and I seem to just keep getting confused.. Google Wallet, ISIS, MasterCard Paypass, Visa Paywave etc.
Basically my question is this: I have a Visa card that I would like to use for NFC payments on my HTC One. First, is this possible. And second, are there enough merchants to even make this worthwhile?
Whenever I am out, I see a bunch of contactless payment terminals (think of the ones at McDonalds). A lot of those say the words "PayPass" on them. So would this mean that if I use a Visa card that I will not be able to use this terminal?
I am just trying to plan ahead to the first time I try to use NFC to pay for something. I dont want to look like the techno-idiot that doesn't know how to do things and just stand there keep trying to use my phone.
Thanks for any help!
bwmcclai said:
I am coming over from an iPhone, so the whole NFC thing is still new to me. I am specifically wondering about the NFC on the HTC One (for AT&T)
I've read some articles lately and I seem to just keep getting confused.. Google Wallet, ISIS, MasterCard Paypass, Visa Paywave etc.
Basically my question is this: I have a Visa card that I would like to use for NFC payments on my HTC One. First, is this possible. And second, are there enough merchants to even make this worthwhile?
Whenever I am out, I see a bunch of contactless payment terminals (think of the ones at McDonalds). A lot of those say the words "PayPass" on them. So would this mean that if I use a Visa card that I will not be able to use this terminal?
I am just trying to plan ahead to the first time I try to use NFC to pay for something. I dont want to look like the techno-idiot that doesn't know how to do things and just stand there keep trying to use my phone.
Thanks for any help!
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You're going to be disappointed, and you can thank AT&T for that.
It's ISIS or nothing.
bwmcclai said:
I am coming over from an iPhone, so the whole NFC thing is still new to me. I am specifically wondering about the NFC on the HTC One (for AT&T)
I've read some articles lately and I seem to just keep getting confused.. Google Wallet, ISIS, MasterCard Paypass, Visa Paywave etc.
Basically my question is this: I have a Visa card that I would like to use for NFC payments on my HTC One. First, is this possible. And second, are there enough merchants to even make this worthwhile?
Whenever I am out, I see a bunch of contactless payment terminals (think of the ones at McDonalds). A lot of those say the words "PayPass" on them. So would this mean that if I use a Visa card that I will not be able to use this terminal?
I am just trying to plan ahead to the first time I try to use NFC to pay for something. I dont want to look like the techno-idiot that doesn't know how to do things and just stand there keep trying to use my phone.
Thanks for any help!
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With AT&T, all phones have to use ISIS for NFC payments.
Unless, you're rooted, and you or a generous developer has figured out how to install Google Wallet on your device. I have it on my GS3(AT&T) it tells the play store that you're using a Galaxy Nexus(Maguro) and allows you to download Google Wallet. I don't have a credit card to test it out with though But it worked!
TL;DR: US Carriers are douches, and force upon you their products.
1. Don't know, wait until it gets out to see if it works.
2. Yes--in fact the Paypass places can be used with NFC.
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With the recent update, is it possible that a new sim card (like maybe the one that works with Isis) would allow the tap to pay feature?
In order to use Google wallet, you need NFC, but not a different SIM card
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I was just chatting with Verizon, and asked why Google Wallet would not tap n pay, he said I needed a NFC Sim card. He is sending me one at no charge. What is the difference between the NFC sim and the NFC battery? Why was the S4 not shipped with a nfc sim? I am not even sure if this will work... will let you know.
Thanks! Keep us updated.
The SIM card that Verizon sends you is for their app that they use for mobile transactions, is is. You need a special SIM for that to work. For Google wallet, you don't need that. All you need is a NFL capable device and you are good to go!
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As with past experiences with Big Red I am not surprised that the customer service rep has no clue as to the actual service they offer. I have installed the new Google Wallet on my S4, with the NFC battery that came with the phone ( maybe someone can explain to me what the battery has to do with NFC? ). But I dont see an option to use tap n pay. I am rooted with Safestrap, and was contemplating installing the mod for GW, but now I see it has been abandoned. If I am missing something, maybe someone could point me in the right direction? I will get the sim that I ordered when I return from vacation, but I doubt it will have any effect. Would there be any other benefit from using the different sim card?
P.S. I would like to see this NFL sim card...
edlowjr said:
As with past experiences with Big Red I am not surprised that the customer service rep has no clue as to the actual service they offer. I have installed the new Google Wallet on my S4, with the NFC battery that came with the phone ( maybe someone can explain to me what the battery has to do with NFC? ). But I dont see an option to use tap n pay. I am rooted with Safestrap, and was contemplating installing the mod for GW, but now I see it has been abandoned. If I am missing something, maybe someone could point me in the right direction? I will get the sim that I ordered when I return from vacation, but I doubt it will have any effect. Would there be any other benefit from using the different sim card?
P.S. I would like to see this NFL sim card...
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Since you are rooted and have SS installed you can install a functional tap to pay by 2 different methods. I have provided links to both methods below. The older method appears to be more stable. Hope that helps.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2303325
Older method
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2454971
Newer method
If you look at the thread with Gw 2 they have abandoned it... GW 1 is still buggy...
I have been using the 1st version due a while now an it has been working flawlessly
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Was reading new features offered on Kit Kat, and it mentioned wallet, so I went to google play and google wallet pops up on my T-mobile HTC One. I thought due to security reason T-mobile could not use wallet but Sprint, but it is nice to see wallet can be installed on our phone now. Sharing this info if you haven't tried it yet.
Google Wallet is available on all android devices now. BUT you can not use it to pay for stuff at point of service locations using NFC. That part of the secure element is still being blocked by the carriers.
Google Wallet will let you do other stuff besides just pay at a POS machine. But i dont know what they are. I think you can send money to someone, and check your google play transactions.
That's either not accurate or I'm just lucky because I specifically went with a ported ROM at first to get TAP working again and with the stock 4.4.2 update I can still use TAP. I believe Google bypassed those secure element restrictions previously offered only by Sprint devices so we can all use it. I came from Sprint and used Wallet for over a year and I was pissed when I learned there was nothing I could do till KK because available.
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Google Wallet is available on all android devices now. BUT you can not use it to pay for stuff at point of service locations using NFC. That part of the secure element is still being blocked by the carriers.
Google Wallet will let you do other stuff besides just pay at a POS machine. But i dont know what they are. I think you can send money to someone, and check your google play transactions.
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When I looked a few days ago, Google's list of phones that can tap to pay includes only the Sprint version of the One.
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Billpo said:
When I looked a few days ago, Google's list of phones that can tap to pay includes only the Sprint version of the One.
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It installed on my TMO HTC One, although I haven't done more than just open it and look around.
Actually to clear up a few things as of android 4.4 and above all devices with NFC can use google wallet just fine including tap and pay. Google wallet no longer requires the secure element as before it's all emulated now. I been using it for a few months now on my htc one from tmobile.
Lobo Lansky said:
Actually to clear up a few things as of android 4.4 and above all devices with NFC can use google wallet just fine including tap and pay. Google wallet no longer requires the secure element as before it's all emulated now. I been using it for a few months now on my htc one from tmobile.
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Feel free to give us more info. Or instructions.
I have a stock HTC One, Stock Note 3 Both TMO and Nexus 5.
The Nexus 5 Wallet app allows me to pay via tap and pay using the wallet app. However the other 2 devices allow me to load the app but NOT use it for tap and pay.
IAmSixNine said:
Feel free to give us more info. Or instructions.
I have a stock HTC One, Stock Note 3 Both TMO and Nexus 5.
The Nexus 5 Wallet app allows me to pay via tap and pay using the wallet app. However the other 2 devices allow me to load the app but NOT use it for tap and pay.
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the Note 3 wont be able to use the tap and pay feature because they are using a different NFC chip as the nexus 5 and HTC Ones. once google integrates it with KK, then it should be able to work.
the TMO htc one does work as i tried it when i converted it to GPE.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2671654
check out that link for more info
ghost_231 said:
the Note 3 wont be able to use the tap and pay feature because they are using a different NFC chip as the nexus 5 and HTC Ones. once google integrates it with KK, then it should be able to work.
the TMO htc one does work as i tried it when i converted it to GPE.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2671654
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Well there you go. Your NOT using a T-Mobile HTC One with Wallet.
When you converted it to the GPe you got rid of the T-Mobile blocking software, and its NO longer a T-Mobile HTC One. It is now a Google Play Edition HTC One and that unit does work with tap and pay with Google Wallet.
So back to my original statement. The T-Mobile HTC One can not use tap and pay with Google Wallet. Its still a true statement.
I think your wrong still, I work for T-Mobile and I updated and installed KK on our demo unit. Tap and pay is in fact confirmed to be working.
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ghost_231 said:
I think your wrong still, I work for T-Mobile and I updated and installed KK on our demo unit. Tap and pay is in fact confirmed to be working.
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Interesting.
I wiped my cache from the recovery and enabled NFC again and NOW google wallet does give me the option to use Tap and Pay. But only on the HTC One.. The Note 3 still has it blocked.. Very cool. So now my Nexus 5 and HTC One can do it..
I cant argue anymore. Now i can agree it does work (at least now its giving me an option to use it like its supposed to). Ill test it out as soon as i go to a place that uses it.
IAmSixNine said:
Interesting.
I wiped my cache from the recovery and enabled NFC again and NOW google wallet does give me the option to use Tap and Pay. But only on the HTC One.. The Note 3 still has it blocked.. Very cool. So now my Nexus 5 and HTC One can do it..
I cant argue anymore. Now i can agree it does work (at least now its giving me an option to use it like its supposed to). Ill test it out as soon as i go to a place that uses it.
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In order for it to work on your note 3 make sure it's updated to latest kit kat
Lobo Lansky said:
In order for it to work on your note 3 make sure it's updated to latest kit kat
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My Note 3 is updated. Running official OTA 4.4.2.