Hello,
Long time lurker, finally joined to post my first question as I am gathering info before buying my Z Ultra!
For convenience, I plan to charge using the magnetic connection rather than USB. The dock (DK30 and others) is convenient but not portable. I see compact magnetic cables/adapters- as a new member I can't post links, if you go to mobilefun and search sony magnetic you will see.
I could not find official Sony cables, to my knowledge they do not exist (unless you take apart a dock).
Now, I've read some comments to only use the charger that came with the phone for the docks (magnetic connection) and not, for example, USB port on a PC. Is it therefore not a good idea to use an external battery as the power source for magnetic charging? I'm referring to products from the Anker range which certainly would charge the ZU via direct USB. Is there really a different power source (AC outlet) requirement when using magnetic connection?
Thanks
Jess
600 views and not a single reply. Come on, I know somebody must have at least tried using external battery using the magnetic charger.
I'm trying to understand why it's OK to charge from a PC USB port over regular micro USB but not OK to do so over magnetic connection.
Well I actually use this option.
Purchased a magnetic cable usb (that actually came in original Sony box) and also purchased an external sony battery pack, and using them with no problems.
So dont know really what to tell you.
pavlos46 said:
Well I actually use this option.
Purchased a magnetic cable usb (that actually came in original Sony box) and also purchased an external sony battery pack, and using them with no problems.
So dont know really what to tell you.
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Efharisto Pavlos!
What battery pack are you using? I suspect warnings about the magnetic connector may be related to the current output. I think battery packs with higher output like 2A are better for magnetic charging.
Hey I am actually using the Sony CP-F1LAM its a 3500mha version.
Works well takes a little bit longer to charge but will fully charge ZU no problem.
Actually last night I had the battery on mains via miniUSB and the ZU on the battery all night, via the magnetic cable.
Nothing blew up, or even got warm or anything.
The particullar battery outputs 1.5v and has protection to not allow it to go any higher.
Also has all kinds of thermal mulfunction protections.
Pavlos
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hi,
I've got a couple of micro usb car chargers I bought to charge my old samsungs.... but they dont charge my X10.
I've shorted pins 2 and 3 on one of them( d+ and d-) as per this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=696760&page=2
but it's still not charging my x10, if anything the battery is being drained quicker when plugged in to the car charger
the label states the output on the charger i have shorted is 4.2- 10v @ 600mA, 750mA max
is there something I am missing?
edit: I've read some of the charging threads and discovered the li-poly battery protection circuit is stopping my cheap chargers from working, so it looks like I need to buy genuine sony (Sony an300), I wonder if this is deliberate on sony's part? I thought the whole point of standardising phone chargers to micro usb - is so that they don't go to waste every time you buy a new phone?
I found that using the original micro USB cable (Or a good quality one) and one of these -> Car USB Outlet works better than buying an adapter with the cable already attached.
Such was the case with my X1 and X2 as well.
These newer gen ones are around 700mA instead of 500mA.
Here's another version -> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Black-USB-Car...bleAudio_MP3PlayerCarKits&hash=item3eff8f9886
Hi
I have one of these from Blue unplugged. go to blueunplugged dot com. in the quickcode type 139166. It is a 'Santok STK Car Charger With 1A USB Port'
I worked on my old X1 and with a micro usb cable it works on my X10 too.
I previously had a different device. It got very hot when I was on the phone and using satnav. This one is great. Its not missed a beat.
I think this is the cable, Quickcode 138344. Please check before purchasing though!
sorry can't post URLs.
regards
Sinet2020
I use my Motorola car charger and it works fine when my phone has some juice left in the battery. the first time I tried to use it the battery was completely flat and the charger would not work well, though
mtechfan said:
I found that using the original micro USB cable (Or a good quality one) and one of these -> USB Outlet works better than buying an adapter with the cable already attached.
Such was the case with my X1 and X2 as well.
These newer gen ones are around 700mA instead of 500mA.
Here's another version ->
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I bought that one, and it doesn't work with my X10. I have tried other USB devices, and the charger works.
After contacting the vendor (e-cell) they are going to send me another unit, free of charges. But I am not sure if it will work, either.
mtechfan said:
These newer gen ones are around 700mA instead of 500mA.
Here's another version -> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Black-USB-Car...bleAudio_MP3PlayerCarKits&hash=item3eff8f9886
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I bought one the other week to try, it doesn't work with the standard SE cable.
The light on the actual plug comes on but nothing indicates it being plugged in on the phone itself.
I've found no 3rd party in-car chargers work with the X10 and after reading all the problems people had here, I just went and bought an official Sony Ericsson one of eBay for £15. Works perfectly
I think you have to have one that has an output of exactly 700 mAp.
I've tested with higher and lower amperage and nothing worked.
I grabbed an SE AN300 off Play.com and it works with no issue. Looks like I made a trouble-free choice.
The Xperia Tablet Z is a notoriously slow charger and won't charge over USB (from what I've heard, I don't have mine yet). Does anyone know of a portable charger or power pack that'll work with it?
Ideally one available in Europe.
Cheers.
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The Xperia Tablet Z ... won't charge over USB (from what I've heard, I don't have mine yet).
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The Xperia Tablet Z is supplied with a charger that connects to its USB port; so, the XTZ will charge via its USB port.
If you attempt to charge the tablet via a computer's USB port, that port must be capable of supplying enough charging amperes, otherwise, the tablet will not charge. Standard USB 2.0 ports supply up to 500 mA and standard USB 3.0 ports supply up 900 mA, neither of which is truly enough amperes to charge the tablet. USB ports on computers that are specifically designed for charging devices usually supply 1500 mA (1.5 A) or more. Some manufacturers mark these types of USB ports with a lightening bolt symbol.
As for portable chargers, I have not used any except for chargers that fit in my automobile's power plug (cigarette lighter plug).
Morti said:
The Xperia Tablet Z is a notoriously slow charger and won't charge over USB (from what I've heard, I don't have mine yet). Does anyone know of a portable charger or power pack that'll work with it?
Ideally one available in Europe.
Cheers.
Sent from my GT-N7100 using xda app-developers app
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Any halfway recent (read: last 5 years) USB charger will work with it. Be it the one Sony supplies with the tablet, an iPad charger...or one for the Galaxy Note 2.
USB chargers are standardized, you need a "special" one nowadays about as much as you need a "special" socket for a device with a power plug.
The only difference is that we have weaker and stronger chargers, but this does not limit their usability. If you use a weak charger your device will charge slower, if you use a charger with an higher maximum power as your device needs it will expl nothing bad will happen either, it won't take more from the charger than it can handle.
Personally I bought (since I need the original 1.5A charger for the dock) a 2A Samsung charger for travelling. I think it is the same as the Galaxy Note 2 uses, which you already have.
Oh, and it charges with the 2A one over USB also around 30% faster than with Sonys 1.5A.
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Any halfway recent (read: last 5 years) USB charger will work with it. Be it the one Sony supplies with the tablet, an iPad charger...or one for the Galaxy Note 2.
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Maybe I'm not being clear.
Portable power supply. With a battery. One that puts out enough power to actually use the XTZ while it's charging, even if doing so only keeps the battery the same rather than actually charging it.
Can anyone recommend anything?
I know it uses a standard micro USB connector to charge but I've heard it won't charge from most PCs as they don't put out enough power. My understanding of many portable chargers is that they also don't put out a great deal of power unless specifically designed for laptops and the like. I don't know if the tablet's needs are quite that, but I'm looking for anyone who has experience using a battery pack with it and if anyone has any recommendations.
Or am I being silly and it'll work with anything capable of charging any tablet?
Thanks.
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Or am I being silly and it'll work with anything capable of charging any tablet?
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It should. The XTZs battery isn't exactly high capacity as tablets go. The Nexus 10 has a 50% bigger one and the iPad3/4 one is almost twice as large.
The principle of power packs is in the end identical as that of basic USB chargers, even a 500mA one will charge the XTZ, but it will take around 15 hours for that (and around 24+ hours to charge an iPad). It isn't a question of "working", but of "working how fast". But, as said, the XDZ hasn't exactly an huge battery, so if anything it will charge faster than other Tablets.
Assuming you do not use it, that is. It is quite possible to discharge it as fast a 3A/hour if you use maximum screen brightness and CPU intensive tasks. But you can discharge other Tablets faster than you can charge them as well.
So what to use - same principle as with USB chargers, pick any. It does not matter if its power comes from a power plug or batteries. If ti works for one USB device it will work for all. What matters is it's maximum A output. One with 2A should be able to charge the XTZ in 4.5 hours, one with 1.5A in 6 hours, and so on...
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So what to use - same principle as with USB chargers, pick any. It does not matter if its power comes from a power plug or batteries. If ti works for one USB device it will work for all. What matters is it's maximum A output. One with 2A should be able to charge the XTZ in 4.5 hours, one with 1.5A in 6 hours, and so on...
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Yeah, I'm looking for something that charges the XTZ faster than (or as fast as) it discharges.
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Yeah, I'm looking for something that charges the XTZ faster than (or as fast as) it discharges.
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The Sony CPF2LS USB Portable Power Supply with 7000 mAh Battery charges at 1.5 amps so it should work for you. I'd post a link to Amazon, but, alas, I can't. It's around 63 bucks.
Regards,
John Francis
Morti said:
The Xperia Tablet Z is a notoriously slow charger and won't charge over USB (from what I've heard, I don't have mine yet). Does anyone know of a portable charger or power pack that'll work with it?
Ideally one available in Europe.
Cheers.
Sent from my GT-N7100 using xda app-developers app
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There is a slew of chargers that will charge it. You can use laptop USB, but like mentioned if you use it while charging it will drain
To solve this problem you simply need to have a portable charger that will put out at least 1.5amp(which is what the tablet charges at if im not mistaken).
So plenty are on amazon or ebay which you should have access to in europe
I use powergen ,they work well and is good quailty. Like either of these will workbigger mah will make the charger simply last longer)
http://www.amazon.com/PowerGen-PGMP...=UTF8&qid=1372292278&sr=8-2&keywords=powergen
http://www.amazon.com/PowerGen-PGMP...=UTF8&qid=1372292278&sr=8-3&keywords=powergen
Key thing is to simply look for the amerpage it puts out before you buy, that's how you know if it will charge and use the tablet at the same time. I can sucessfully do both using my car charger(2amp made for iphones) and my Powergen
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Yeah, I'm looking for something that charges the XTZ faster than (or as fast as) it discharges.
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The thing is this entirely depends how you use it. It is quite possible to use it in such a way that you would need a 3A charger to stop it from discharging. I do not think such one exists nor that the battery can accept such a charge.
So AFAIK a charger (be it a power plug or battery one) which stops it from discharging under all kinds of usage scenarios does not exist.
Therefore there is no answer to you "which charger I should use" question, only that the more A a charger puts out, the more usage scenarios will be covered (as in "will charge tablet while using it that way") by it.
Test how fast the Tablet discharges (without charging it) when you use it the way you plan to while using your charger. That will give you an indicator what kind of power you need. I.e. if it takes 12 hours even only a 0.5A charger will work, if it takes 2 hours you would need a 3A charger, which likely doesn't exists.
Im using an innergie charger that gives 2.1 amps and it charges a little faster than the 1.5a that came with it!
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also i noticed that the quality of the cable has an effect, cheap ones take longer!!
http://www.amazon.com/Portable-Flas...?ie=UTF8&qid=1374806804&sr=8-3&keywords=anker
I'm looking into buying this,hopefully the charging will be somewhat quick as opposed to my current rate. I wonder if there will we a decent charging rate when I use it with this:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/david-toledo/the-practical-meter-know-your-power
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http://www.amazon.com/Portable-Flas...?ie=UTF8&qid=1374806804&sr=8-3&keywords=anker
I'm looking into buying this,hopefully the charging will be somewhat quick as opposed to my current rate. I wonder if there will we a decent charging rate when I use it with this:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/david-toledo/the-practical-meter-know-your-power
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You know that that charger will only charge around 66% of the XTZs battery, though?
(Effective maximum capacity ~4A (see "attrition factor" explained in 2nd review), XTZs battery: 6A)
I am using my Samsung Note2 charger that states 2A.
Charges alot faster so for people with other chargers I should check samsung chargers haha.
Heya,
I've used the Momox iPowerPro+ on my Xperia Tablet Z and no problems
http://shop.brando.com/Momax-8500mA...2-1A-1A-External-Battery_p08658c0191d003.html
Just thought I'd let people know of my experiences using a car charger with the USB magnetic charging cable. I have a 2.1 amp dual port USB car charger and also a Sony magnetic charging cable from my CP12 battery cover. I tried using the magnetic charging cable plugged into the car charger this morning and attached the magnetic charging end to my Xperia Z Ultra. The phone was on around 24% and started charging pretty quickly up until around 40% within probably 20mins. This is quite fast for this particular car charger as it seemed to take ages when I used to use it to charge my HTC One X with a normal micro USB cable. Anyway after it hit 40% I noticed it had stopped charging. I had a look at the charger and the power LED was off so I went to pull it out to check and noticed it was very hot! Not sure if it blew a fuse or went into thermal overload shutdown but I definitely think that it isn't really rated at 2.1amp.
Has anyone else had experiences using a car charger to charge their Xperia Z Ultra? I might just try the micro USB cable next time but I liked how quickly it charged with the magnetic charging cable.
I haven't tried it but I think the problem is the magnetic cable that you are using.
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On mobile....
julz said:
Just thought I'd let people know of my experiences using a car charger with the USB magnetic charging cable. I have a 2.1 amp dual port USB car charger and also a Sony magnetic charging cable from my CP12 battery cover. I tried using the magnetic charging cable plugged into the car charger this morning and attached the magnetic charging end to my Xperia Z Ultra. The phone was on around 24% and started charging pretty quickly up until around 40% within probably 20mins. This is quite fast for this particular car charger as it seemed to take ages when I used to use it to charge my HTC One X with a normal micro USB cable. Anyway after it hit 40% I noticed it had stopped charging. I had a look at the charger and the power LED was off so I went to pull it out to check and noticed it was very hot! Not sure if it blew a fuse or went into thermal overload shutdown but I definitely think that it isn't really rated at 2.1amp.
Has anyone else had experiences using a car charger to charge their Xperia Z Ultra? I might just try the micro USB cable next time but I liked how quickly it charged with the magnetic charging cable.
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I'm actually very impressed that you were able to get the magnetic cable to stay. If I am able to get the cable to stick, I can't even breathe around it.
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I'm actually very impressed that you were able to get the magnetic cable to stay. If I am able to get the cable to stick, I can't even breathe around it.
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100% agree
julz said:
Just thought I'd let people know of my experiences using a car charger with the USB magnetic charging cable. I have a 2.1 amp dual port USB car charger and also a Sony magnetic charging cable from my CP12 battery cover. I tried using the magnetic charging cable plugged into the car charger this morning and attached the magnetic charging end to my Xperia Z Ultra. The phone was on around 24% and started charging pretty quickly up until around 40% within probably 20mins. This is quite fast for this particular car charger as it seemed to take ages when I used to use it to charge my HTC One X with a normal micro USB cable. Anyway after it hit 40% I noticed it had stopped charging. I had a look at the charger and the power LED was off so I went to pull it out to check and noticed it was very hot! Not sure if it blew a fuse or went into thermal overload shutdown but I definitely think that it isn't really rated at 2.1amp.
Has anyone else had experiences using a car charger to charge their Xperia Z Ultra? I might just try the micro USB cable next time but I liked how quickly it charged with the magnetic charging cable.
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Hi Julz,
I hope your device is ok. I was using a similar charger in my car. Had two USB slots. 1amp and 2.1amp.
I'm not sure what cause it, or what happened. But I've had to send my Ultra to the store where I bought it. For some reason my device did that same as you describe. It also wouldn't stop the LED from showing. Meaning that it thought it was charging all the time. (even when not plugged in)
Now amps should be fine. Its the volts that you have to worry about. I posed a thread about batteries that talks about amps volts and how to look after your device... take a look
LINK:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2505165&highlight=battery
check it out...
I have been using my Magnetic charging cable ( I pulled out of my Sony DK30 )
in my car for over a month with the Griffin PowerJolt Micro & have not had a
single issue with the phone or the charger . here are the specs & a pic of the charger .
Technical Specifications
Input: 12 volts DC
Output: 5 volts DC at 2.1 amps
Output power: 10 watts link to charger .
link to charger =
http://store.griffintechnology.com/ipad/powerjolt-micro-ipad
Yeah I think the generic no name chargers probably lack quality circuitry to regulate the charging properly. I'm hoping the Xperia Z Ultra has some decent built in charging protection to prevent issues with minor spikes or fluctuations. Brand name chargers like griffin should be ok.
Similarly, been using the magnetic cable with a griffin car adapter without any problems since I got my unit.
Hi all!
So I just got the DK30 and I like it!
No problem at all docking and charging but I took it to work, connected to the computer USB and it is not charging. I thought it would charge, slowly but charge..but no go.
So I guess I will be bringing a surge protector extension tomorrow to connect the ac adapter to the DK30.
My other question is USB cables. I want to get a longer cable so that when I am gaming I can still charge via the usb port (since holding the magnetic one in place will not be possible).
But from experience, another thicker cable I got, only charges at 400-500mAh at best which is not enough when gaming.
Anyone has found one that works like the original?
Thanks!
shaolin95 said:
Hi all!
So I just got the DK30 and I like it!
No problem at all docking and charging but I took it to work, connected to the computer USB and it is not charging. I thought it would charge, slowly but charge..but no go.
So I guess I will be bringing a surge protector extension tomorrow to connect the ac adapter to the DK30.
My other question is USB cables. I want to get a longer cable so that when I am gaming I can still charge via the usb port (since holding the magnetic one in place will not be possible).
But from experience, another thicker cable I got, only charges at 400-500mAh at best which is not enough when gaming.
Anyone has found one that works like the original?
Thanks!
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No the dock wont charge off USB. Its stipulated in the manual.
USB out are 5v... but most are only 500mAh so the charge will not register on a docking device
Any cable thats magnetically sealed so to reduce power loss, will work. Depends on the manufacture process. A cheaper cable probably wont be very effective. Branded cables are usually better, but its hit and miss. I have a Samsung 2m cable that came free with an older digital camera, and it still works very well. But not sure on a link or anything to provide you with to buy one.
I am getting a good cable now , 6', it helps me when gaming although I realized I can for the most part game with the dock station attached and it does not fall lol..not very comfy for some games but works.
I always thought that charging this tables takes forever.
Then, a few days ago I used an USB multimeter and found that using the original 1.5A Sony adapter and the original cablet, the tablet is charged just at 1.0A rate.
Then I tried with a thicker quality USB cable and the charge rate increased to 1.5A (+50%!), using all the power the adapter can give. The charge rate slowed down to 1.0A while approaching full charge but overall the charge process is much faster.
I did the test with the tablet powered on. Tried with or without the magnetic charging stand and I got the same results.
The original cable it's not damaged so I suppose the slow charging speed is intentional.
Anyway, I think I will continue to use the thicker cable so my charging times will be shorter, I suppose it's safe to charge this tablet at the full charging speed the original adapter can give, what do you think?
I never used the original cable that came with mine, I had a 6' Anker cable to spare so I used it instead and I thought it charged pretty fast, much faster then when I use the magnetic dock.
But I'm lazy, so it goes on the magnetic dock 99% of the time because it gets a full charge sitting on it anyways.
And there are kids.
Can't afford to lose the water tight bit.
This thing has found its way into the tub.
Darn good tablet.
BTW
Pretty sure its safe, its CPU is a Qualcomm that supports quick charge.
tobalaz said:
I never used the original cable that came with mine, I had a 6' Anker cable to spare so I used it instead and I thought it charged pretty fast, much faster then when I use the magnetic dock.
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Do you use the same Anker cable with the magnetic dock? According to my findings, the magnetic dock should not slow down the charging process.
I don't have a USB multimeter, but I have used differnet USB cables to charge and found big difference in the charging time.
I have 2 original Sony chargers at home, one in the bedroom and the other in the Living room. Battery Monitor Widget showed that it could charge from 0 to 100% in 5.5 hours (at 1298mA, and 18.09% per hour) with a thick no-name brand USB magnetic cable in the bedroom, and down to only 406mA with the original Sony USB cable in my Living room.
The conclusion is: get a good thick USB charging cable.
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Do you use the same Anker cable with the magnetic dock? According to my findings, the magnetic dock should not slow down the charging process.
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Yes. I use the same cable.
Dock charging seems (or should I say seemed?) to work a little slower if I'm waiting on the tablet. Its not incredibly slow and I can stream Showbox (w/ Growbox and Allcast) or Netflix from the tablet and it still charge faster then use its juice, so its not a worry for me.
I've never had a battery problem with it either, it'll go all day as a reader or watching media and still have at least 30% left at the end of the day, so it goes back on the magnetic charger overnight. No reason to directly plug it in anymore.
as long as it is a working usb cable, there is no harm that a cable cause to a tablet.
tobalaz said:
I never used the original cable that came with mine, I had a 6' Anker cable to spare so I used it instead and I thought it charged pretty fast, much faster then when I use the magnetic dock.
But I'm lazy, so it goes on the magnetic dock 99% of the time because it gets a full charge sitting on it anyways.
And there are kids.
Can't afford to lose the water tight bit.
This thing has found its way into the tub.
Darn good tablet.
BTW
Pretty sure its safe, its CPU is a Qualcomm that supports quick charge.
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Laughed aloud at the past about kids!
I bought a cheap 6ft USB charging cable and thought there was something wrong with my tablet because it took forever to charge. No multimeter, it damned on me that the cable was acting as a resistor probably because the wires are thin (cheapo).
Conversely, when I bought a refurbed z3V to have as a back up, it came with a generic charger that was rated only 1 amp (the phone charger from Sony is 1.5).
I think that as long as it doesn't go to much past the rated 1.5, it's good.
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Laughed aloud at the past about kids!
I bought a cheap 6ft USB charging cable and thought there was something wrong with my tablet because it took forever to charge. No multimeter, it damned on me that the cable was acting as a resistor probably because the wires are thin (cheapo).
Conversely, when I bought a refurbed z3V to have as a back up, it came with a generic charger that was rated only 1 amp (the phone charger from Sony is 1.5).
I think that as long as it doesn't go to much past the rated 1.5, it's good.
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I stick to Anker. They're good products, have a decent price and if you're ever in need of customer service they're awesome.
I emailed them over a discontinued mouse that was out of warranty (software issue) and they called me the next day and made sure it was working right. This past December they sent me one of their portable phone chargers as a loyalty reward. I've got mice, keyboards, chargers, wires, phone and laptop batteries from them and they've all been fantastic. They make it hard to want to buy from anyone else if they've got it.