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October Edition just arrived, 6 months late, but it did arrive and it did work (albeit with the additional Cradle not in the box)
Charged, set up email to send myself the Google Play apk; double clicked it and everything worked fine. Activated my Android and all working well.
Downloaded some apps, inc spotify and mapmyrun. Added a sim card and sd card - not well designed really. The galaxy s5 shows how simple it is to do and retain waterproofing. The Omate, with tiny fiddly screws, rubber bits, non symetrical cover etc was something I hope not to have to do again; which renders my spare battery a bit pointless. I was expecting to pop off the back and swap a drained battery for a charged one, as I can do on a mobile.
However, with battery at 67% went for a 1 hour run and with GPS, Wifi, Data and Bluetooth active (music to BT Headphones and running data being tracked) battery only went down 20% - impressive! and confirmed I can give up the GPS watch...
All good, but definitely some sticking points. Wifi at one point wouldn't re-activate, without a long reboot. The keyboard can drive you insane, especially entering masked passwords - the keyboard can be supersensitive and fire off several characters at once by accident, so you have to start again. The 'show passwords' option doesn't always work.
The navigation seems awkward and inconsistent - i wish there was a back button, the swipe left often triggers an option or menu unintentionally so you have to go back twice and when the same thing happens again, it's not long before you give up and press the home button...
Maybe it's just some getting used to - day 1 and all that!
Overall this is an incredible piece of tech and will be a big benefit to my lifestyle. It requires a change of thinking I suspect, but one that is welcome, so overall I am very pleased with the first impression.
I think the answer to your question about whether you have day 1 frustrations is: yes and no.
I put on Lokifish's latest ROM and did a few other tweaks (principally Daniel Ortiz's recommended GPS fix) and then started from there. I played with the out-of-the-box version for a total of two minutes before I became monumentally frustrated with the sensitivity of the touch screen, and the keyboard seemed to trigger letters even when I was just hovering over the screen trying to make a more accurate 'tap'. Maybe it was placebo effect but the Lokifish ROM seemed to be better calibrated, though I still avoid using the keyboard for anything other than tapping in passwords to get accounts setup.
The first app that gave me an inkling that the TS is a 'keeper' is Runkeeper. (pun!) I'm actually not so much of a runner, but I use Runkeeper on my main device to track my cycling and I log my circuit and swim training data on the web which integrates across the other apps I use to collect and manage fitness data (Withings Body Analyzer, Myfitnesspal, Fitbit). The thought of being able to dispense with multiple tracking apps/devices and perhaps even leaving the big phone at home (the Z1s doesn't have the brightest screen anyway) was one of the main draws of the TrueSmart. But the real 'killer app' feature for me was the ability to use this TrueSmart as an 'all day wearer' *and* have it work in-water to capture swim data. But After six months of waiting (like you) and seeing the not-really-waterproof drama unfold, I was pretty much ready to put this thing on eBay on day 0.
However, Runkeeper/Ride with GPS plus Cyril Preiss' "SWApps" has just about sold me on keeping the device, or at least rekindled my interest enough to see whether its worth pursuing some form of aftermarket waterproofing approach. (currently being hashed out in another thread here)
So in essence I concur with/confirm your findings. I still haven't found out how to get the auto-correct to behave on the keyboard, but I think that's as much about taking a grand-daddy step back to understand how the Fleksy is designed, and how to properly inflect the gestures to keep things from getting out-of-hand (pun!). I remember having *some* of the same trouble when going from the iPhone 4s to the Xperia Z1 (before the Z1s) and that keyboard drove me kuh-ray-zee until I figured out the whole swipe-your-finger-to-spell-the-word thing worked. Then suddenly I wondered how anyone would type on one of these things any other way.
So - I'm coming around to seeing the advantages of the TrueSmart, and more to the point *really* understanding why Lokifish, Cyril, Kurt, Daniel and so many others here see in the platform - and continue to invest time and effort into it.
Oh - and as to the battery drain, I just ran my TS down to 15% and then connected it to a Waka Waka to charge, and while I didn't have it timed it's already back to 100%. Solar powered smartwatch - now we're talkin'. So instead of thinking about a snap-in/out solution for the battery I'm looking at/for a 'gator glip' charger cable or some other light-weight charger connection for the TS (I thought I saw them online somewhere, and OMate was offering them at first - I'd prefer that to the case for workout/outdoor activities where space is a premium). I'm also looking into how to/whether I can set up profiles that are more like "give me what you got" versus "all-day wearer" mode. On the Sony Xperia Z1s there's a "Stamina Mode" which tamps down on battery drain, but can also kill functionality of apps that are not in the foreground (bad news for Panobike cycling cadence meter, etc) so while I have *some* apps exempted from Stamina Mode, when I'm doing a dedicated outing I just switch it off completely - knowing that I'm going to be putting the device on charge by either using one of the portable packs I'm carrying with me - or when I get back to the car.
Anyway, food for thought...
Thanks for the reply, it's good to share tips and tricks!
I saw that Loki has actually abandoned TrueSmart. Frustrations with their updates and lack of support I think.
Primarily for me this watch was a replacement sports tracker, but my hopes for an all-purpose watch are not looking good as the blue-tooth tethering is not working with my S5; it pairs successfully, but doesn't connect, so the TrueSmart Master app is useless.
The TS also doesn't connect to my BT headset for voice, but it did connect with the JayBird headphones (although the cutting out was super irritating).
In Summary - BlueTooth not reliable and will be a deal-breaker as I would have to carry my phone anyway.
Couple with the infuriating keyboard and inconsistent navigation, (I've now tried the LMT dial thing, which also doesn't work properly) I'm losing interest fast - which is a shame as it could be so good.
For charging, my GPS watch uses a clip as you describe. So much better than the cradle which renders the watch inaccessible while it's charging. But why not a simple USB port with a cover, like the S5....(a proper waterproof phone). Even the solar charger will then require carrying two separate items for the TS...
You can set up profiles on an app called Easy Battery Saver - I used it on my last phone and installed it for TS. It works as described and easy to activate/de-activate.
I will keep with the TS a while longer, but I suspect the next Galaxy Gear, which is rumoured to be stand-alone, will be what we are really looking for...
Hope to hear more from you - I will post my next findings on the TS too.
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I think the answer to your question about whether you have day 1 frustrations is: yes and no.
I put on Lokifish's latest ROM and did a few other tweaks (principally Daniel Ortiz's recommended GPS fix) and then started from there. I played with the out-of-the-box version for a total of two minutes before I became monumentally frustrated with the sensitivity of the touch screen, and the keyboard seemed to trigger letters even when I was just hovering over the screen trying to make a more accurate 'tap'. Maybe it was placebo effect but the Lokifish ROM seemed to be better calibrated, though I still avoid using the keyboard for anything other than tapping in passwords to get accounts setup.
The first app that gave me an inkling that the TS is a 'keeper' is Runkeeper. (pun!) I'm actually not so much of a runner, but I use Runkeeper on my main device to track my cycling and I log my circuit and swim training data on the web which integrates across the other apps I use to collect and manage fitness data (Withings Body Analyzer, Myfitnesspal, Fitbit). The thought of being able to dispense with multiple tracking apps/devices and perhaps even leaving the big phone at home (the Z1s doesn't have the brightest screen anyway) was one of the main draws of the TrueSmart. But the real 'killer app' feature for me was the ability to use this TrueSmart as an 'all day wearer' *and* have it work in-water to capture swim data. But After six months of waiting (like you) and seeing the not-really-waterproof drama unfold, I was pretty much ready to put this thing on eBay on day 0.
However, Runkeeper/Ride with GPS plus Cyril Preiss' "SWApps" has just about sold me on keeping the device, or at least rekindled my interest enough to see whether its worth pursuing some form of aftermarket waterproofing approach. (currently being hashed out in another thread here)
So in essence I concur with/confirm your findings. I still haven't found out how to get the auto-correct to behave on the keyboard, but I think that's as much about taking a grand-daddy step back to understand how the Fleksy is designed, and how to properly inflect the gestures to keep things from getting out-of-hand (pun!). I remember having *some* of the same trouble when going from the iPhone 4s to the Xperia Z1 (before the Z1s) and that keyboard drove me kuh-ray-zee until I figured out the whole swipe-your-finger-to-spell-the-word thing worked. Then suddenly I wondered how anyone would type on one of these things any other way.
So - I'm coming around to seeing the advantages of the TrueSmart, and more to the point *really* understanding why Lokifish, Cyril, Kurt, Daniel and so many others here see in the platform - and continue to invest time and effort into it.
Oh - and as to the battery drain, I just ran my TS down to 15% and then connected it to a Waka Waka to charge, and while I didn't have it timed it's already back to 100%. Solar powered smartwatch - now we're talkin'. So instead of thinking about a snap-in/out solution for the battery I'm looking at/for a 'gator glip' charger cable or some other light-weight charger connection for the TS (I thought I saw them online somewhere, and OMate was offering them at first - I'd prefer that to the case for workout/outdoor activities where space is a premium). I'm also looking into how to/whether I can set up profiles that are more like "give me what you got" versus "all-day wearer" mode. On the Sony Xperia Z1s there's a "Stamina Mode" which tamps down on battery drain, but can also kill functionality of apps that are not in the foreground (bad news for Panobike cycling cadence meter, etc) so while I have *some* apps exempted from Stamina Mode, when I'm doing a dedicated outing I just switch it off completely - knowing that I'm going to be putting the device on charge by either using one of the portable packs I'm carrying with me - or when I get back to the car.
Anyway, food for thought...
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More success with BT pairing
More success today - got the bt headset (MyVoice 312) paired for calls, plus the jabra sport wireless+ bt headphones for music.... both devices paired and switch automatically when powering on and off.
Galaxy S5 also paired, but no joy with the SWAPPS app. I will keep trying with that, but it's actually a low priority since I have a sim for the TS ($10 per month for second sim with same number as primary sim)
Tonight I hope to try the Endomondo app on the TS paired with the Jabras, since they have a special feature that gives realtime data from the app when pushing a button on the headphones.
I can see it's going to take a while with the TS, but the tech is really good and offers a lot of promise. It's all about expectations I guess.
If the BT goes all intermittent again tonight I will be v disappointed as this is a basic but critical feature.
One problem I have had after exercising is that if you hand/fingers are sweaty then the TS goes nuts when you touch the screen - there really needs a sensitivity option (like on the S5)
Any pointers for best option for gaining Root Access to Omate TS? I notice that you have flashed Loki's 'latest' ROM, so presumably you have Rooted and flashed a Custom Recovery??
Best way to proceed--I would be grateful for a 'Heads-Up'.
BTW--I have, today, just received my October Dev Edition 1 GB 8 Gb 2100 Mhz version--and am looking at flashing Loki's ROM 20140328--is that the one to which you are referring?? or, do you have a different device version?
Any pointers--gratefully received.
I can't help you with the technical nuts and bolts as I am going to keep it all simple and hopefully working. No ROM flashes, install PlayStore and get your BT headset working.
Just that alone gives you a mobile on your wrist which is pretty damn cool for checking email, facebook, text, whatsapp and voice calls. Plus spotify, endomondo and maps!
The keyboard is a problem though, being so sensitive. And if it's raining, forget using it at all - not because of the water resistance, but because the screen just goes crazy with the water drops.
I am going to try Google Search/Voice to see if I can use voice commands on it.
Anyone else had luck with using voice?
haybill said:
Any pointers for best option for gaining Root Access to Omate TS? I notice that you have flashed Loki's 'latest' ROM, so presumably you have Rooted and flashed a Custom Recovery??
Best way to proceed--I would be grateful for a 'Heads-Up'.
BTW--I have, today, just received my October Dev Edition 1 GB 8 Gb 2100 Mhz version--and am looking at flashing Loki's ROM 20140328--is that the one to which you are referring?? or, do you have a different device version?
Any pointers--gratefully received.
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Hey guys, I'm like a dev October backer and I get my watch this week-end. I have just started it today and after reading the lokifish topic I don't think it is a good idea for us to use our watches until we flashed a ROM with a secure kernel (the kernel of the 1/8/2100 is unsecure).
If you want to root your TS there is tons of solutions as it i a mediatek chip.
Can you recommend me a BT Headphone to par with my TS.
Blue-rayer said:
Can you recommend me a BT Headphone to par with my TS.
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I'm using Backbeat Go 2 with my TS, I love the "minimalistic" approach to it. When not used I wear them like a necklace (you can attach the earbuds to eachother) and it's not in the way the slightest. It works great for taking phone calls, and I've tried it with both walking, biking and running with no issues. Volume controls, checking battery level, taking calls and such works great from the remote. Battery life is ok:ish, maybe a bit more than 3 hours total listening time. That is if you play music or talk on the phone non-stop, with moderate use (taking a few phonecalls during the day and similar) they last for days.
From what I hear the Backbeat Go 2 is more or less a ripoff of Jaybird Bluebuds X headphone (looks very similar), but the Jaybirds have better battery life, fits more securely in your ear for sporting and such - not that I ever had issues with that. The main thing that made me go with the Backbeat though is that it's about half the price.
Ok thanks. I'm gonna give a look to this.
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Blue-rayer said:
Can you recommend me a BT Headphone to par with my TS.
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After going through two Backbeats (not the Go, think it was 903 or something similar) I can state they are useless for exercising with, no resistance to water or sweat.
I then tried a pair of Philips SHB6017/10 and lasted a month before starting to randomly calling strange numbers due to shorting out. I'm not a sweaty person, honest!
Finally settled on Jabra Sport and they're awesome, have been using them for a year now.
Thanks to Amazon who refunded and replaced every single failed headphone, even sending out the replacements before I'd sent in the dead ones.
Cheers,
Andreas
I was actually playing around with the voice commands, you do have to setup loads of Google Apps, like Google search and Maps etc and give it permission to everything but it does work... I highly recommend using Nova launcher as it places the Mic search option right on the home screen.... which launches Google search... "Ok Google" and you're off.... I'm not sure how to get it to recognise OK Google without first having started the search app... Anyway some of my favourite things to ask for....
Take me home.... (Starts maps navigation)
Play some music (starts Google music and tries to play music)
Order Pizza (finds the nearest dominos)
What is iPhone (reads out definition of an iphone)
So I've heard that Lenovo Moto Z is the new daydream ready phone. Have you tried using it with daydream view? How is the performance? I also heard that this phone tends to overheat. Is it a problem when playing in VR?
I know the Pixel phones have been producing a lot of heat while using daydream. The reason for the heat is the amount of power required to run VR which causes the phone to throttle from all the heat being produced. You can expect about the same amount of heat considering the specs of the phone. I could imagine the Moto Z would perform about the same as the Pixel considering the Pixel only has a slightly over clocked version of the Snapdragon 820 used in the Z. Since people have just started receiving the Android N update for the Z more people should be able to comment on actual performance soon. Hope this somewhat helped.
I have the Moto Z and the daydream headset is on the way. I'll give a review on what I think when it arrives in a few days. And how long it takes to overheat (get the on screen overheating message). Anything else you want me to check out on it?
The daydream headset is good on the moto z. The biggest annoyance is that the headset allows some light to come in on the side. I imagine this will vary for each person based on head/face shape. I've played with it multiple times for 30+ minutes. I never got the message about getting too hot. But every time I took it out the phone was way too hot to hold. I mean it would probably burn your hand if you held onto it. Which kind of worries me. But I would set it down and not use for for 15+ minutes and it would be back to normal. The headset/remote is better than a google cardboard. But the app/game selection is not as good and the samsung gear vr. But may get there over time. There is very few apps/games available. I did see both netflix and hulu are on it but didn't try either one yet. The battery usage was less than 10 percent for the 30 minutes or so I used it for.
If google keeps pushing it. It will be a worthwhile purchase in 6 months to a year. But if you buy one now just expect a better google cardboard experience.
I agree, daydream app is very buggy due to heat issue. I used youtube app for vr and the phone was normal, but using youtube vr app inside daydream for 30 minute causes extreme heat that can burn your hands! I highly not reccommend using daydream app for now bc it could cause serious damage to the battery.
I have tried, I feel that it's zoomed in too much.
For example in netflix, I almoust don't see the the whole tv. But also in other apps some menus is partly outside the view.
I made a post about it on reddit in the daydream forum (not allowed to post links here, so you have to find it your self, title is "Daydream on Moto Z too zoomed in")
Yeah, the heat issue was very scary. I've never had a phone get that hot in such a short period. I didn't know if the hardware is just getting pushed too hard or its a software problem. I'm hoping for the latter.
And if/when google comes out with a new version of the daydream view headset. They need to make it not so much "one size fits all". I have a cheap plastic cardboard that was only 15 bucks and has better adjustments and fit than the daydream view. I could stand it with the cardboard since it was so cheap.
But I will say the controller is very good. But it needs a button or two on the bottom/top edge. Or games are going to be very basic and probably not catch on. Unless they add the option to use a second daydream controller. Then oculus rift/htc vive style games can be made for it.
Strange, I have upgraded to Nougat on my Moto Z bit the Daydream app is still "incompatible with my device". Anyone know what's going on?
Thanks
Ken
I have a daydream headset lying around. Used it 2-3 times on my z force and now it's gathering dust... Novelty at best. It did work well with the phone though. Only issue I found was the mask's strap was hard to adjust so it would stay put.
I have Moto z and daydream . It gets hot but have never gotten the overheat warning. Use it while wife sleeps with Bluetooth headphones to watch Netflix or Hulu . And ignore the guy who says it's too zoomed in. You can adjust it within each app. For Netflix just look up at the ceiling and a menu allows size adjust for screen , and to let you move the screen so you can lay on your back while watching . Can do similar on Hulu . I recommend opening the apps separate without going through Google daydream though maybe that's the heating issue. But yea I've used daydream app for 5 hours strait and my phone didn't over heat.
Did anyone tried to use it with a custom rom or are you all talking about stock experience?
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Did anyone tried to use it with a custom rom or are you all talking about stock experience?
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No one has any experience with custom roms and daydream?
Hi, I'm hoping someone might have a good suggestion for a new phone. My Huawei M7 is getting dated, still works fine but the battery isn't what it used to be. Still get a solid day and a half out of it under normal use but used to get nearly 3. That's not the real problem though, I cannot connect it with the Squarup reader. I have been searching all day and I'm sure I'm missing many options. Here is my criteria:
Big battery, nothing smaller than my M7
6" screen (old eyes
Custom ROM and xposed support
Strong connectivity performance (I'm often in areas with poor service)
4g, bluetooth, wifi (ac would be a bonus)
Reasonable camera (don't need DSLR quality, but need to be clear pics)
Not overly laggy
Mid range price tag
3.5mm headphone jack
Expandable memory (SD card slot)
I was considering the Ulefone Power 5 but it misses the mark on points 3 and 4 from what I can find online. I don't really care if whatever I end up with isn't the sleekest ultra thinnest, whatever (obviously if I was considering the Ulefone). Any suggestions?
Thanks!
Take a look at the Moto E5 Plus
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onefish said:
Hi, I'm hoping someone might have a good suggestion for a new phone. My Huawei M7 is getting dated, still works fine but the battery isn't what it used to be. Still get a solid day and a half out of it under normal use but used to get nearly 3. That's not the real problem though, I cannot connect it with the Squarup reader. I have been searching all day and I'm sure I'm missing many options. Here is my criteria:
Big battery, nothing smaller than my M7
6" screen (old eyes
Custom ROM and xposed support
Strong connectivity performance (I'm often in areas with poor service)
4g, bluetooth, wifi (ac would be a bonus)
Reasonable camera (don't need DSLR quality, but need to be clear pics)
Not overly laggy
Mid range price tag
3.5mm headphone jack
Expandable memory (SD card slot)
I was considering the Ulefone Power 5 but it misses the mark on points 3 and 4 from what I can find online. I don't really care if whatever I end up with isn't the sleekest ultra thinnest, whatever (obviously if I was considering the Ulefone). Any suggestions?
Thanks!
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Go to Asus Zenfone max pro m1
Redmi note 5 pro
Mi max 3 (wait for some days)
For camera you can go for Redmi Y2
If your budget is upto 25 to 30 then you should buy Nokia 7 +
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Hi, I'm hoping someone might have a good suggestion for a new phone.....
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Your best bet is to post this question within one of the following threads that is specific to your question.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1846277
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1620179
Good Luck!
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Sg Bhagwat said:
Go to Asus Zenfone max pro m1
Redmi note 5 pro
Mi max 3 (wait for some days)
For camera you can go for Redmi Y2
If your budget is upto 25 to 30 then you should buy Nokia 7 +
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Thank you Sg Bhagwat and ZuluAlpha for the suggestions. I was travelling so, while I read your replies, I couldn't easily reply back. It turns out that the only one of the suggested phones that is readily available where I live is the Nokia 7 Plus. So I bought it! Definitely the upper end of mid range as far as price goes ($650!), and the battery is about 300mAh smaller than the Huawei M7 but I am kinda hoping that droid 8.1 will have some efficiency improvements so I won't notice real world differences. Been setting everything up for about 10hrs today and still has 42% charge. Syncing GB's of data and accounts is fairly resource intensive stuff so will definitely do better under normal use conditions.
Now if there were only a few more good cases for the phone.......
onefish said:
Thank you Sg Bhagwat and ZuluAlpha for the suggestions. I was travelling so, while I read your replies, I couldn't easily reply back. It turns out that the only one of the suggested phones that is readily available where I live is the Nokia 7 Plus. So I bought it! Definitely the upper end of mid range as far as price goes ($650!), and the battery is about 300mAh smaller than the Huawei M7 but I am kinda hoping that droid 8.1 will have some efficiency improvements so I won't notice real world differences. Been setting everything up for about 10hrs today and still has 42% charge. Syncing GB's of data and accounts is fairly resource intensive stuff so will definitely do better under normal use conditions.
Now if there were only a few more good cases for the phone.......
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I would Recommend a Samsung Note 4.
Big Screen, former High-class devise, Custom Rom Support, replacebel Battery, All Ports that you wanted.
Price is Midrange by now.
I have the same device as Backup/gaming device with lineage OS
onefish said:
Hi, I'm hoping someone might have a good suggestion for a new phone. My Huawei M7 is getting dated, still works fine but the battery isn't what it used to be. Still get a solid day and a half out of it under normal use but used to get nearly 3. That's not the real problem though, I cannot connect it with the Squarup reader. I have been searching all day and I'm sure I'm missing many options. Here is my criteria:
Big battery, nothing smaller than my M7
6" screen (old eyes
Custom ROM and xposed support
Strong connectivity performance (I'm often in areas with poor service)
4g, bluetooth, wifi (ac would be a bonus)
Reasonable camera (don't need DSLR quality, but need to be clear pics)
Not overly laggy
Mid range price tag
3.5mm headphone jack
Expandable memory (SD card slot)
I was considering the Ulefone Power 5 but it misses the mark on points 3 and 4 from what I can find online. I don't really care if whatever I end up with isn't the sleekest ultra thinnest, whatever (obviously if I was considering the Ulefone). Any suggestions?
Thanks!
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Im using Rooted Ulefone 5 with Xposed. Not a valid point, its a great phone. The only issue is half the time I dont get sound of notifications
Hi there! I just got a Tab S7 (the "basic" LCD model. not the plus). I update to Android 11, factory resetted it, debloated like crazy with ADB. I'm coming from a Tab S4 that had the exact same debloat and optimizations steps.
I use this tablet ONLY to play some games. I mostly play Rules Of Survival.
Well, I'm really disappointed. The game still lags with the same graphical settings I was using on the tab S4. I was expecting to get a decent amount of free ram after debloating it but it's not that better if compared with the S4. Don't get me wrong, the game runs smoother than on the S4, but from a Snapdragon 865+ I was expecting a lot more. The super crowded scenes now are pretty playable, but it still hangs a bit quite often. I have tested it with different internet connections, same results. Lowering the graphis did not help on the S4 and it does not help on the S7.
A weird issue is related to the touch screen sensitivity. It's usually pretty good but sometimes when I have to aim precisesly with my right thumb, the whole movement of the crosshair feels super slow and inaccurate.
You know what's strage? I have tested the same game on my OnePlus Nord and I had no issues at all. A friend of mine on the latest and crappiest iPad has a bettere gaming experience than mine, for half the price.
Any hint before returning it?
I'm having some strange issues with my Galaxy Tab S7+ as well, mostly touch-related. But in overall, the tablet's performance is really disappointing. I was expecting much more from this SD865-based tablet compared to my previous one, Pixel C.
Taps are not being registered accurately. Sometimes it gets registered prematurely (before my finger actually landed), and in other cases late or not registered at all.
From time to time, the tablet would suddenly lose responsiveness, dropping or delaying a good amount of touches, that even holds and drags may break into several separate taps. In rare cases, the tablet would stop responding to touches and generates a few taps on its own at the edge of the screen (the taps are generated at one particular spot and the spot is random, but it tends to be near the navbar if brought up).
As I mostly play rhythm games in which every touch matters, such issues can be devastating. The issue is becoming more frequent since Android 11 update, with average frame rate being much worse compared to Android 10. It seems these touch-related issues become more apparent when the games start to stutter (lower frame rate).
I suspect the issue might have something to do with System UI. On Android 10, when the touch issue happens, it affects everything as I can also reproduce the ongoing issue inside Multi-Touch Test app. On Android 11, things become a bit different, as when the touch issue starts to happen in a game, it seems to affect only that game and the System UI (that it takes about 2-3 swipes just to bring out the navbar), and the impact to other apps, including Multi-Touch Test, is less than before.
I don't know what might be contributing to the touch-related issues. But the tablet's stock firmware is often seen spamming logcat at an incredible rate implying a huge amount of processing is going on behind the scenes, and from the looks of it, a good amount of the logs were audio effect related so it's possible that certain audio enhancements might be very demanding.
EDIT: I also suspected Game Optimization Service might be involved in this. However, that service is part of the core system components, with related code inside system_server, that it's not possible to disable it completely. Although I've taken out the apks systemlessly through Magisk modules (root), it only made sure the service would never be able to launch again, yet its usual routines (scanning apps and detect whether the app is a game) continues in the background, which is done by system_server on behalf of GOS.
PS: It appears Samsung is indeed not happy with people disabling these services, that they're going great lengths to deter people from doing so.
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I'm having some strange issues with my Galaxy Tab S7+ as well, mostly touch-related. But in overall, the tablet's performance is really disappointing. I was expecting much more from this SD865-based tablet compared to my previous one, Pixel C.
Taps are not being registered accurately. Sometimes it gets registered prematurely (before my finger actually landed), and in other cases late or not registered at all.
From time to time, the tablet would suddenly lose responsiveness, dropping or delaying a good amount of touches, that even holds and drags may break into several separate taps. In rare cases, the tablet would stop responding to touches and generates a few taps on its own at the edge of the screen (the taps are generated at one particular spot and the spot is random, but it tends to be near the navbar if brought up).
As I mostly play rhythm games in which every touch matters, such issues can be devastating. The issue is becoming more frequent since Android 11 update, with average frame rate being much worse compared to Android 10. It seems these touch-related issues become more apparent when the games start to stutter (lower frame rate).
I suspect the issue might have something to do with System UI. On Android 10, when the touch issue happens, it affects everything as I can also reproduce the ongoing issue inside Multi-Touch Test app. On Android 11, things become a bit different, as when the touch issue starts to happen in a game, it seems to affect only that game and the System UI (that it takes about 2-3 swipes just to bring out the navbar), and the impact to other apps, including Multi-Touch Test, is less than before.
I don't know what might be contributing to the touch-related issues. But the tablet's stock firmware is often seen spamming logcat at an incredible rate implying a huge amount of processing is going on behind the scenes, and from the looks of it, a good amount of the logs were audio effect related so it's possible that certain audio enhancements might be very demanding.
EDIT: I also suspected Game Optimization Service might be involved in this. However, that service is part of the core system components, with related code inside system_server, that it's not possible to disable it completely. Although I've taken out the apks systemlessly through Magisk modules (root), it only made sure the service would never be able to launch again, yet its usual routines (scanning apps and detect whether the app is a game) continues in the background, which is done by system_server on behalf of GOS.
PS: It appears Samsung is indeed not happy with people disabling these services, that they're going great lengths to deter people from doing so.
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I have deeply read thru your thread this morning. This is ways beyond disappointing. I have ordered and iPad air 4. But guess what? I cannot transfer my rules of survival account from Android to iOS. I will have to return that as well.
The only tablet with at least 6gb of ram available is the Lenovo something pro blabla but it spots a lower Snapdragon with a higher price tag than the galaxy S7.
I will have to stick my galaxy Tab S4 still for a while. I have debloated it like crazy (I just did not remove the game crap system). It will be still kind of bearable for some more time.
Any hint on some alternative android tablets?
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I have deeply read thru your thread this morning. This is ways beyond disappointing. I have ordered and iPad air 4. But guess what? I cannot transfer my rules of survival account from Android to iOS. I will have to return that as well.
The only tablet with at least 6gb of ram available is the Lenovo something pro blabla but it spots a lower Snapdragon with a higher price tag than the galaxy S7.
I will have to stick my galaxy Tab S4 still for a while. I have debloated it like crazy (I just did not remove the game crap system). It will be still kind of bearable for some more time.
Any hint on some alternative android tablets?
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If it's not about 120Hz display I think some other tablets, including older generation ones, might be good choices.
It's just that I don't think I'll ever pick another Samsung product anymore thanks to the GOS fiasco (app/service apks that would be automatically re-enabled by watchdogs placed deep inside system core processes by Samsung themselves).
As for going for an iPad... sadly, thanks to g00g13 & 4pp1€ intentionally placing barriers on doing cross-platform account transitions (at least losing access to paid/non-paid in-game currencies), it certainly won't be easy to switch.
(PS, nowadays it's not even easy to migrate on the same platform. Restoring a backup, such as those done using Titanium Backup or Migrate from an old device to a new one would not work and I still need to go through the usual transfer procedures from the old device, which varies among games).
Honestly, I don't think gamers are the main audience of Samsung devices, considering how much efforts they put on security stuffs such as Knox (actually, Knox was what led to Google introducing the Safety Net, and all the problems that stemmed from it). The tablet itself appears to be more focused on office/productivity works, as features like S-Pen, air gestures, DeX are more useful for those tasks than gaming.
EDIT: As for touch issues, if you're rooted this thread (from Essential Phone forum) might be interesting. CPU and GPU governors, as well as affinities, might play a role in the issues we're having. Turned out the stock kernel has a good amount of options to tweak via SmartPack Kernel Manager.
Here I don't have any problem. When you update it, you already enter on recovery mode, wipe data, cache and fix apps ? I get little issue with my battery after update, but I perform recovery mode and do wipes and fix apps, finally all problems I get is solved.
Hi,
I noticed my xperia 1 mark III is overheating even in normal use, especially in 120Hz mode. I hope sony will fix it as this device is really scalding.
It really burns!
This is the hottest device I ever had
Software version: 61.0.A.11.23
You're burning up your battery. Time is of the essence, resolve this issue fast. Shutdown the phone if it gets too hot!!!
Auto thermal shutdown may not protect the display/mobo especially if in hot ambient temperatures, in direct sunlight, or when charging.
Keep brightness at 50% or less.
Factory reset.
If that fails...
Find the apks or/and services causing to high drain.
If that fails, return the device.
The clock is ticking, Mr Wick tic-tok...
This is a serious problem. I took some photos and videos (4k and slowmotion) while standing in the sun. Outside temperature was about 23°C (73°F). After about 5 minutes I got an overheat message.
An app that I installed earlier registered an internal temperature of 40.5°c. It felt really hot to (while in a bumper case).
After I put the phone on a granite kitchen table it cooled down in about 10 minutes.
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This is a serious problem. I took some photos and videos (4k and slowmotion) while standing in the sun. Outside temperature was about 23°C (73°F). After about 5 minutes I got an overheat message.
An app that I installed earlier registered an internal temperature of 40.5°c. It felt really hot to (while in a bumper case).
After I put the phone on a granite kitchen table it cooled down in about 10 minutes.
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It is serious. Turn off the phone when it feels very warm before it goes over temperature.
Using a AMOLED display in direct sunlight is never a good plan. Limit it to seconds of use.
I have had this same problem since I got it to the point where I got an alert that some apps would be shutdown.
US Version purchased from Adoroma in the states : 61.0.A.11.23
Just another aggravating issue with this phone. Some are having boot loops of a sort also! What is wrong with these companies? Can they not produce a decent product anymore? 1300.00 and it's junk???????????
I am getting overheating as well, a little warm most of the time I use the phone.
Definitely was the 120hz display turned on. Less warm when the 60.
When using the wireless charger.
Anytime I use the cameras.
I am on the latest update as well.
Hm, very intriguing issue with $1300 flagship smartphone from such a respectable brand. I had similar problem with Xperia 1 II in several occasions. And... I think I know what's the problem (not bloody hot SD888 as you might suggest!). Please have a good look at dissasembly video:
Then compare it with $390 LG V60 ThinQ disassembly video from the same guy. Spot the difference! And it is - missing cooling system on Xperia 1 II / 1 III whereas LG V60 has quite big copper vapour chamber! Maybe that's why my LG V60 never gets really hot. So the question is ... WTF are you doing SONY?!
Well, I just sent back my first Pixel - 5A - for overheating. I have been watching the 1 iii and the 5 iii as a possible purchase...but I am turned off by the dedicated assistant button that might possibly be remappable... but for sure I will NOT buy either of these mark 3 phones if they overheat! Makes me sick just how badly most new phones are functioning.
Yeah same, it seems to turn off randomly when using the cameras and when 120HZ screen is on.
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Yeah same, it seems to turn off randomly when using the cameras and when 120HZ screen is on.
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I think it's the case for warranty replacement or even return if possible. This is one of the reason why I don't buy expensive brand new phones parallel imported (not officially sold in my country). Just because it means no proper warranty, no service, no nothing.
My Xperia 1 III is getting extremely hot even when taking photos (only 2-3) then get message about hot temperature and apps shutting down.
I use Streamlabs mostly (sometimes Prism) to broadcast to YouTube, foundthe phone almost useless! Overheating in seconds from start of s stream! I'm using my old Samsung Note 10 again as Sony wasn't simply useful.
Now I found a solution to it (sorry solution is too big word)
- I've turned "object tracking" off in camera
- I've turned autofocus on in camera
- I've turned 120hz off
Today we had hot day here in UK (27 Celcius ) I did my tests.
Streamlabs at 1080p , 7000kbps , 30fps run outdoor for about an hour smoothly. Connected to charger started to overheat.
Not to mention that tethering makes it hot quickly (so with Samsung).
Prism at 1080p 60fps run smoothly for couple of minutes and then crashed.
Didn't connect the charger.
I use Streamlabs to transmit 5-6 hours of stream into YouTube using mobile network in most if the times and whilst driving (so changing stations constantly)
I found that using WiFi it doesn't get as hot.
Also charging makes it very hot - SONY advertised it as able to by powered directly by a charger without charging battery, how and where do I find that option?
Is it available using car charger with quick charge 3.0?
I like the phone , like the shape , size and feel to it. Camera is OK (I own Sony a6500 )
Hate the fact of poor selfie camera in such expensive phone (I do live streams using selfie cam too)
Right I've ordered a return of my phone and have 30 days to send it back what alternatives do I have? Really like the SONY if it wasn't overheating I'd love it. Is there a solution to it? Cooler anything?
The things I like about the phone are:
*shape and overall feel in hand
*Cameras are ok don't really see if they great quality or not will still use my a6500 camera.
*Like the fact that can use sd card
*Love finger print reader in power button and seperate camera button
*like the fact that there's no rounded edges - hate them in my Samsung Note
I blame my problems with overheating by poorly made apps not the phone itself and not sure changing the phone will change it.
What are the options should I consider? Samsung S21 Ultra ? iPhone 12,13?
I'm a SONY fan and had many if their phones and that's why I'm looking for a solution otherwise would send it back straight away...
Can anyone help me with my problem?
Many thanks
Bart
Unfortunately greedy sony didn't provide any cooling solution to mark 3... Check disassembly videos, there is no any cooling solution at all, like you will find in asus - small vapor chamber etc. Literally nothing!
They knew snap 888 is overheating. They must have tested this device before releasing it, isn't it?
But no, still didn't apply any cooling solution. And that's a big shame and huge problem of this device.
Not sure if qualcomm provide any updated drivers to assess this problem or not. Or if sony will try to fix it. So far they did nothing and still it overheats. Mine too and you are right by saying that on 3G/5G it is hotter than on wifi.
I wonder how they can market battery as capable and better for 3 years with such hot device. Temperature of course has huge negative impact on battery longevity.
Sad but true
I'm quite shocked! Thanks for the info about disassembly videos...
I'm thinking if getting a cooler which you attach to the body.
What I forgot to mention that cameras itself (the lenses) don't get that hot is the area under them and closer to the centre. So must be processor and lack of cooling system.
Not sure what to do...
We have a hot weather now so I will test it intensively (if I was a Sony tester I'd never allow for the phone to be released like this).
Heating problems is why I keep saying that for any SOC/CPU/GPU manufacturer to keep upping the speeds of these things is STUPID! I can virtually guarantee that from now on every new CPU produced by all OEM's is going to overheat! Have you ever walked into a data center, with hundreds of servers running? You have to wear ear protection because the roar of all the internal cooling fans is deafening!
So then "we" attempt to put similar CPU's inside a device the size of a small remote control WITHOUT a fan and wonder why it overheats? There are only so many ways to keep the phone(s) cool. Use them while frozen solid in a block of ice, or better yet, stop running so many CPU/GPU intensive apps all at the same time. It's simple thermodynamics at work here. The more you have running at the same time, the harder the SOC needs to work, the hotter it is going to run. Another solution, that is literally unacceptable to most people, is to code in a lowering of the speed of the SOC. If this needs to be done then it becomes very clear that building a new, faster SOC every year is STUPID!
One more thing... I've heard that Xperia 1III is capable of powering the phone directly without battery charging to lower the heat...Does anyone know how do I turn this future on?
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One more thing... I've heard that Xperia 1III is capable of powering the phone directly without battery charging to lower the heat...Does anyone know how do I turn this future on?
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This is applicable with the game enhancer. You can add some apps there and when you open it, you can enable HS power control. Also sony just release a new firmware that answer you with this issue.. you can check my video
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One more thing... I've heard that Xperia 1III is capable of powering the phone directly without battery charging to lower the heat...Does anyone know how do I turn this future on?
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Have to sit at the outlet all the time? or how will this happen?
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This is applicable with the game enhancer. You can add some apps there and when you open it, you can enable HS power control. Also sony just release a new firmware that answer you with this issue.. you can check my video
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Thanks a lot , tomorrow I will be testing - doing long live stream on YouTube using Streamlabs, I always keep my phone under charger as I drive HGV sometimes for 3-4hrs non stop so battery would die.
It also going to be hot day here in UK and having the phone close to windscreen won't help - I know I shouldn't complain about overheating in such circumstances but my phone overheats even when taking photos although I have a feeling that after last system update its looking better , also as I mentioned before switching off object tracking has improved how smooth camera works using Streamlabs and Prism.
I'm considering buying a cooler for my phone too.
I will post my report tomorrow of how it went.
Many thanks
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Have to sit at the outlet all the time? or how will this happen?
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I found the future now in Game Enhancer app, you can power it directly. Not sure how it will perform yet. Tomorrow will send my report.
I often run streaming app in the background and not sure if Game Enhancer will work that way. I run nav app (Sygic Truck).
Heat problem has gone down significantly for me after the latest update yesterday. Usually the phone got really warm even with me just browsing using Chrome or going through Facebook. Now even when playing ROK or Mobile Legends it doesn't get that warm.