Just posting a reminder that any rom posted here has to have the MI store removed from the rom. The app is banned as it provides warez.
You've effectively killed this forum, the only source of ROMs for our device. Thanks.
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You've effectively killed this forum, the only source of ROMs for our device. Thanks.
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All it takes is having the app removed. Not really hard.
This app has been banned since the beginning of Xiaomi producing miui roms. It's nothing new.
zelendel said:
All it takes is having the app removed. Not really hard.
This app has been banned since the beginning of Xiaomi producing miui roms. It's nothing new.
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Well, if you say that this is so easy, please just give us direct instructions on how to remove this store without getting bootloop.
Go ahead.
domi.nos said:
Well, if you say that this is so easy, please just give us direct instructions on how to remove this store without getting bootloop.
Go ahead.
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There are Tuts on how to get gapps working.
I have never tried myself as these devices are banned from being own at my job so I'm not even allowed to get one. Nor would I ever.
Don't get mad at us. Get mad at them for excluding a warez market in their roms.
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Get mad at them for excluding a warez market in their roms.
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May be I do not know something.
I have tried to look for some warez there - I could not find anything.
anmg said:
May be I do not know something.
I have tried to look for some warez there - I could not find anything.
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Same. Some stupid policies and some stupid myths. Perhaps there used to be some sort of warez there accidentally and everyone is still being anal about it. As you can see mods don't really care about this phone. You can see by posts like "I would never get their devices". So childish
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Same. Some stupid policies and some stupid myths. Perhaps there used to be some sort of warez there accidentally and everyone is still being anal about it. As you can see mods don't really care about this phone. You can see by posts like "I would never get their devices". So childish
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It's not a matter of childish. I have many reason why I would never own one of their devices and that being the fact that the oem is on my jobs banned list.
Also all you have to do is look at any of the so called. Free apps that are paid apps on the Android market.
Make no mistake it was not accidental at all. China is known for things like this.
As for the mods. We have been around long enough to know the story with them so, no none of use would ever touch one of their devices. But that is pointless as it's up to the users to do something with it.
Also all you have to do is look at any of the so called. Free apps that are paid apps on the Android market
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any proof please.
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any proof please.
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You can look yourself. Just do a compare between the 2 stores. That was part of the reasons why miui roms were banned for the longest time.
You have to remember that MIUI started here on xda before Xiaomi bought them out.
Warez or not, MI Store sucks ass, but banning ROMs is pointless, MIUI forum is trash, I still don't know how it works, and some ROM's has backdoors and for example, they send paid SMS to vietnam, That sh!t costed me 50 bucks!!!
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It's not a matter of childish. I have many reason why I would never own one of their devices and that being the fact that the oem is on my jobs banned list.
Also all you have to do is look at any of the so called. Free apps that are paid apps on the Android market.
Make no mistake it was not accidental at all. China is known for things like this.
As for the mods. We have been around long enough to know the story with them so, no none of use would ever touch one of their devices. But that is pointless as it's up to the users to do something with it.
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hey, I'm curious about these stories that made you stay away from xiaomi devices. May I ask for more information or maybe links about that? Thank you.
khnoizer said:
hey, I'm curious about these stories that made you stay away from xiaomi devices. May I ask for more information or maybe links about that? Thank you.
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If you look around the internet you will find all the stories you need. They are alos on the military banned list in the US due to ties with the Chinese military.
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It's not a matter of childish. I have many reason why I would never own one of their devices and that being the fact that the oem is on my jobs banned list.
Also all you have to do is look at any of the so called. Free apps that are paid apps on the Android market.
Make no mistake it was not accidental at all. China is known for things like this.
As for the mods. We have been around long enough to know the story with them so, no none of use would ever touch one of their devices. But that is pointless as it's up to the users to do something with it.
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If you look around the internet you will find all the stories you need. They are alos on the military banned list in the US due to ties with the Chinese military.
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Thank you, but I suppose if we use non MIUI rom such as cm, then these risk of using xiaomi devices is gone right? also, what do you think of Mokee Rom? As it's also made by chinese people, and you said that china is known for "something", is it might also poses similar risks?
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Thank you, but I suppose if we use non MIUI rom such as cm, then these risk of using xiaomi devices is gone right? also, what do you think of Mokee Rom? As it's also made by chinese people, and you said that china is known for "something", is it might also poses similar risks?
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First let me make one thing very clear. I have nothing against Chinese people that make software. You have to understand the Government that runs the country there, to have a small understanding. You see In china they have the right to monitor everything their citizens are doing on the internet. This is part of the reason for the great firewall of china. So spyware, malware and other software that helps in this are normally sponsered by the Military to help in doing just this.
I have never used it myself but as it is an open source based OS it should be good. You can see just what it is doing. The hard part will be the coding translations, as things dont always translate right.
Any non MIUI based rom should be ok. The problem with that is CM is normally buggy and all the roms use the patch rom setup which is never really stable nor is it something I would trust as that is injecting stuff into a rom that I cant VET.
In this day and age one has to be careful with all these new toys that are coming to many markets across the world.
Remember, You get what you pay for. So if something is too good to be true then you have to find the catch.
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First let me make one thing very clear. I have nothing against Chinese people that make software. You have to understand the Government that runs the country there, to have a small understanding. You see In china they have the right to monitor everything their citizens are doing on the internet. This is part of the reason for the great firewall of china. So spyware, malware and other software that helps in this are normally sponsered by the Military to help in doing just this.
I have never used it myself but as it is an open source based OS it should be good. You can see just what it is doing. The hard part will be the coding translations, as things dont always translate right.
Any non MIUI based rom should be ok. The problem with that is CM is normally buggy and all the roms use the patch rom setup which is never really stable nor is it something I would trust as that is injecting stuff into a rom that I cant VET.
In this day and age one has to be careful with all these new toys that are coming to many markets across the world.
Remember, You get what you pay for. So if something is too good to be true then you have to find the catch.
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Great explanation, Thank you, sir.
Um, sorry.. may i know what's happen here and why miui store shouldn't be here?
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First let me make one thing very clear. I have nothing against Chinese people that make software. You have to understand the Government that runs the country there, to have a small understanding. You see In china they have the right to monitor everything their citizens are doing on the internet. [ ... ] .
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You are right about the store, i was quite surprised when i found paid apps there. This is correct.
But i'm not sure if this is still the case, i saw them a year ago, now i couldn't find the apps,
maybe they've cleaned the store in meantime.
And a script removing apps isn't hard, just search for "updater-script remove apps".
BUT i've tried such script on Sony Xperia P, not in MIUI, i don't know if deleting Mi Store (com.xiaomi.mipicks) would cause bootloop or not.
I know that Mi Store enabled/disabled is region dependent, you can disable it when switching to another region in Beta rom.
But deleting? I know that when i've deleted Updater apk, or changed its permissions, it caused bootloop. Needs to be confirmed.
But with government spying - if you want to be honest - maybe we should ban all ROMs tied with Google, which means all Androids?
Remember about PRISM and Edward Snowden?
American's NSA (National Security Agency) ?
I have nothing to American people, just sayin.
But according to former CIA employee, Edward Snowden, Google joined to the NSA spying program in 14 Jan 2009.
I think that you simply have a choice - either give your personal data to American or to Chinese people. (or both).
You can minimize the risk by disabling for ex. Analytics app... etc.
But saying that chinese are spying... USA govt does the same
And better not looking for Echelon project...
But - the main topic here - yes, it's a good idea to remove Mi Store from roms.
One can always add it himself/herself, there are also other stores, F-droid, Aptoid, there is a choice
American companies aren't communist nor are they guilty of some of the most sever human rights violations in the world.
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hey, I'm curious about these stories that made you stay away from xiaomi devices. May I ask for more information or maybe links about that? Thank you.
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kocak juga doi.. ditanyak suru kasi bukti malah ngeyel muluk.. emang koplak kalik.. pdhal amrik sama parahnya.. huehuehue..
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Hey guys. How do you detach Titanium Backup from the Market since it doesn't show up in the list of apps? Thanks.
Doesn't show up in what list of apps? Everywhere I look on my phone, I see it listed.
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Doesn't show up in what list of apps? Everywhere I look on my phone, I see it listed.
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Sorry, I meant the list in Titanium Backup with all my apps.
You can fix this by buying the legal version and showing your support for the dev. It's not very expensive (a little over $6) and it's worth every penny. Definitely beats messing around with illegal and possibly sketchy cracked versions.
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You can fix this by buying the legal version and showing your support for the dev. It's not very expensive (a little over $6) and it's worth every penny. Definitely beats messing around with illegal and possibly sketchy cracked versions.
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Agree 100% speaking of, I'd like to donate for your battery app. I rarely go on the computer tho so can you pm me your donate link? Its truly a great app and works on cm10 as well so I feel you deserve a beer (or whatever your choice beverage is)
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Agree 100% speaking of, I'd like to donate for your battery app. I rarely go on the computer tho so can you pm me your donate link? Its truly a great app and works on cm10 as well so I feel you deserve a beer (or whatever your choice beverage is)
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this does not reply to the question "Detach Titanium Backup from Market"...
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this does not reply to the question "Detach Titanium Backup from Market"...
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This does though. Although it is probably not the answer you were hoping for.
Basically, this being primarily a developers' forum, people will always look down on any attempt to use pirated/cracked apps and thus steal from the developer. So you can't really expect an answer that will promote and encourage piracy. Especially given that most Android apps are ridiculously cheap.
(To ACTUALLY answer the question - the only thing I can think of is marking all apps except for TB for auto-updating in Google Play.)
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This does though. Although it is probably not the answer you were hoping for.
Basically, this being primarily a developers' forum, people will always look down on any attempt to use pirated/cracked apps and thus steal from the developer. So you can't really expect an answer that will promote and encourage piracy. Especially given that most Android apps are ridiculously cheap.
(To ACTUALLY answer the question - the only thing I can think of is marking all apps except for TB for auto-updating in Google Play.)
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Thanks for the last reply, but i know this and and don't want to auto-update all apps... so I think TB can't be detached from market...
Thread closed as it is warez related
Now that I got you in here, I was reading a Yahoo story about how Android operating systems had a hidden app that was stealing keystrokes and other information from end users. One guy called out a company that was behind one of the apps and he was hit with a law suit to shut him up. I have not heard much about it since. How worried are we as end users? Is this behind some developer's motivations? The developers that do this as a hobby, to make donations, or some advertising income should not be smeared by this bad publicity.
I have been using custom ROMs for a while and always appreciated the efforts of devs. Don't know how international law plays into this with devs from all around the world. What are your thoughts on this (end users and devs)?
Wrong forum.
lol topic tag [Theft]
There's a reason why I don't use most of the theme packs the children "developing" for the Vibrant call custom ROMs.
lolz at yahoo news
are you talking about Carrier IQ ?
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are you talking about Carrier IQ ?
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That rings a bell. They sell information to marketing companies, as well as provide data to carriers?
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That rings a bell. They sell information to marketing companies, as well as provide data to carriers?
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what type of data do they actually collect ? search history and email/sms ?
I wonder if MIUI and/or CM7 remove these hidden programs?
don't worry, CM excluded the program
just go to their main page website if you wanna read about that
cm7 doesnt have it, if you wanna kno if ur rom has it just download look out from the market it will check ur phone and let u kno if its clean or not
There are several apps that now scan for it. Trevor, the one who broke the story, has the app here on XDA and in the market (Logging Checker by TrevE). Supercurio, who made the Voodoo Control app, now has an app that scans for it.
There are already two threads in the General that are covering the topic.
CarrierIQ is in mainly in AOSP roms and most custom rom's don't have it including CM7 and MIUIs. In fact it is mainly HTC, Nokia and not Sammy's. Not sure if it has been detected at all in a Samsung device. Plus it is mainly Sprint phones too.
Just an fyi in case you are freaking out for no reason.
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There are several apps that now scan for it. Trevor, the one who broke the story, has the app here on XDA and in the market (Logging Checker by TrevE). Supercurio, who made the Voodoo Control app, now has an app that scans for it.
There are already two threads in the General that are covering the topic.
CarrierIQ is in mainly in AOSP roms and most custom rom's don't have it including CM7 and MIUIs. In fact it is mainly HTC, Nokia and not Sammy's. Not sure if it has been detected at all in a Samsung device. Plus it is mainly Sprint phones too.
Just an fyi in case you are freaking out for no reason.
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Was watching a video where it showed keystrokes being recorded from an https site. With all the identity theft going on, we need some good guys on our side.
What are your thoughts on the "Anti Piracy Support" being implemented into their ROMS
ROM Developers are now starting to implement this "Anti Piracy Support" . Many of them do and some of them don't.
So what is AntiPiracySupport?
Meaning, this will block the installation of pirated apps, malware and patchers.
For you, is it good or bad?
Roms that have AntiPiracySupport builtin:
+ ACIP:
Commits in Github: YES
+resurrectionremix
Commits in Github: YES
+ Exodus:
Commits in Github: YES
+ BrokenOS
Commits in Github: YES
+ My Rom Builds(if no other info is added):
Commits in Github: YES
Roms that don't have AntiPiracySupport builtin now:
+ AOSPA
Commit in Gerrit: NO
+ Official OmniRom:
Commit in Gerrit: NO
For me it is very bad. Because in my country many of the apps I need are blocked and some of it wasnt compatible with mi3. So big no to Anti Piracy Support for me. Sorry developers.
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Roms that have AntiPiracySupport builtin:...
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This might help guys :thumbup:
Any it should be AICP not ACIP hahaha!
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Here's my take on this blacklist idea.
At least 40% of the reason I bought my first Android after years of iPhones was for ad blocking. I just don't get the reason for clumsily trying to turn a custom rom into iOS. So I did a little digging and found a discussion about this blacklist from an Exodus dev who wrote "The only real reason not to support this is if you support piracy and stealing from developers."
Maybe someone can tell me whether it's a joke or Dave doesn't understand the issues. It takes little brainpower to deduce that app names can be trivially changed, as we've already seen and can even be seen in the blacklist code. So blacklisting apps by name and hardcoding that in your rom is a losing proposition from the start, right?
To stay up to date somebody would need to track package names and add them manually and hope everyone conveniently forgets the past 3+ decades of battles between malware writers and AV guys, eg when viruses started creating their own pseudo-random names to avoid the crummier scanners which Exodus is trying to emulate. We've already seen this simplistic blacklist approach can't possibly scale. Check the google+ link and you see that Kessler is trying to crowdsource a list of app names to blacklist. What happens when somebody maliciously or mistakenly adds a commonly used, objectively benign app? Who is the final arbiter of which apps get the boot? Quid custodiet ipsos custodes?
Factor in Exodus blocking my fave ad service disabler (probably an Irish app ) and debating whether to block Xposed and you have a powerful user motivation to bypass or completely avoid the blacklist and stop it from removing/disabling legit functionality. It seem likely that roms with Exodus' Anti-Adblock anti-feature will be forked if they're worth using. Not to mention, this blacklist only works if the blocked apps play along & their package names never change, and if the user has no motivation to bypass the blacklist. Extra bonus: v2 of the blacklist will be more like real malware, with obfuscated & closed source libraries.
Dave's false dichotomy is basically saying if you don't want spam or ads or closed source crapware clogging your device then you support piracy. I think Dave should've added, another reason not to support this endeavor is because poorly conceived code that goes against user wishes should ALWAYS be turfed.
tl;dr Why would anybody let this guy decide which apps are ok and which aren't, and using an old-school blacklist too? SMH.
XDA fully supports this. IF you cant pay for an app then you dont need it.
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XDA fully supports this. IF you cant pay for an app then you dont need it.
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What if you want to use app but first want to check the quality of app or you don't have money for every app?
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What if you want to use app but first want to check the quality of app or you don't have money for every app?
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Well then you wait to have the money or use a free version. If there is no free version then you save up the money
Is this gonna be a requirement for rom developers?
I'm not against it. But I think it should be something optional. If the rom developer wants to implement it, that's ok. But I think the consumers should have a right to decide whether the rom supports this or not. I mean, like a democracy, the consumers vote, that's something fair...
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XDA fully supports this. IF you cant pay for an app then you dont need it.
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Can you speak for the whole XDA community? hehehe Anyways you've got a point there.
But I don't see the point of doing apps developer's job. If they want anti-piracy security for their apps they'll get it (built in), unless it's an offline app. So I wouldn't bother trying to prevent the inevitable...
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Is this gonna be a requirement for rom developers?
I'm not against it. But I think it should be something optional. If the rom developer wants to implement it, that's ok. But I think the consumers should have a right to decide whether the rom supports this or not. I mean, like a democracy, the consumers vote, that's something fair...
Can you speak for the whole XDA community? hehehe Anyways you've got a point there.
But I don't see the point of doing apps developer's job. If they want anti-piracy security for their apps they'll get it (built in), unless it's an offline app. So I wouldn't bother trying to prevent the inevitable...
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Well your first mistake was thinking you are a consumer. Not in the least. Nor do users have a say in what rom devs put in their roms. Roms are built by people for personal use and then shared to be nice. If you dont like it then you are more then welcome to build your own rom.
Second mistake was thinking it is a democracy. Its not. Users really dont have a say in what rom devs put in their roms.
All I can say is that XDA stands behind this and anything that is used to get around it is banned from the site for good.
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Well your first mistake was thinking you are a consumer. Not in the least. Nor do users have a say in what rom devs put in their roms. Roms are built by people for personal use and then shared to be nice. If you dont like it then you are more then welcome to build your own rom.
Second mistake was thinking it is a democracy. Its not. Users really dont have a say in what rom devs put in their roms.
All I can say is that XDA stands behind this and anything that is used to get around it is banned from the site for good.
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Sorry for the misunderstood, but I said it because I read rom developers ask for features and bugfixing. So I'll take it as it depends on the developer... some devs are like you said and some others "really care" about what users need/want.
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Sorry for the misunderstood, but I said it because I read rom developers ask for features and bugfixing. So I'll take it as it depends on the developer... some devs are like you said and some others "really care" about what users need/want.
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Have you really ever seen Real developers ask this? No. The only ones that do are the ones that do nothing more really then cherry pick other roms commits. There are very few real developer teams around. The rest are what we like to call winzip wizards or compile wizards.
The ones that "really care" As you say are only really doing it for donations. I know it is hard to understand in this forum as there are none of the big teams here as none of them are willing to touch Xiaomi Devices. Heck I know I am not even allowed to use one due to my job.
In the end it is up to the dev to add this if they wish but ill let you in on a secret. Most devs are working closely with each other to make this better. There is even a commit that blocks xposed frameworks.
As XDA stand completely behind it and against warez most of the things that this targets are already banned on the site. Things like lucky patcher and freedom. Both are forever banned on the site.
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Have you really ever seen Real developers ask this? No. The only ones that do are the ones that do nothing more really then cherry pick other roms commits. There are very few real developer teams around. The rest are what we like to call winzip wizards or compile wizards.
The ones that "really care" As you say are only really doing it for donations. I know it is hard to understand in this forum as there are none of the big teams here as none of them are willing to touch Xiaomi Devices. Heck I know I am not even allowed to use one due to my job.
In the end it is up to the dev to add this if they wish but ill let you in on a secret. Most devs are working closely with each other to make this better. There is even a commit that blocks xposed frameworks.
As XDA stand completely behind it and against warez most of the things that this targets are already banned on the site. Things like lucky patcher and freedom. Both are forever banned on the site.
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Very good explanation. Now I see it from that point of view, you are right.
@zelendel:
I certainly have supported and I am prepared to support more app developers who provide me free software (free as in freedom not free beer), and I'm not interested in buying closed source apps from the playstore, so I'm not really affected by this issue, but seriously? Preventing users from running the software they want on their phone? These opinions are grossing me out. Thankfully (and this might have been one of the most important advances in whole history) the creators of the software that most of our Android world is based on, have shown more wisdom and created the GPL, that forces everyone who wants to be part of this world to open source and to free their own variations of it, so thankfully people will always be able to remove components that restrict the user.
This is not a stance to enable privacy. This is a stance to oppose everybody who wants to place technical faculties in my OS that are able to prevent me from running whatever code I want (because at that precise moment, I do no longer own a personal universal computer). If enabling piracy is a side effect of preserving the freedom of an OS, then it's a small price to pay to preserve freedom. Thankfully again, it will always be possible to remove components from GPL software, even for "compiling wizards".
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@zelendel:
I certainly have supported and I am prepared to support more app developers who provide me free software (with free as in freedom not free beer), and I'm not interested in buying closed source apps from the playstore, so I'm not really affected by this issue, but seriously? Preventing users from running the software they want on their phone? These opinions are grossing me out. Thankfully (and this might have been one of the most important advances in whole history) the creators of the software that most of our Android world is based on, have shown more wisdom and created the GPL, that forces everyone who wants to be part of this world to open source and to free their own variations of it, so thankfully people will always be able to remove components that restrict the user.
This is not a stance to enable privacy. This is a stance to oppose everybody who wants to place technical faculties in my OS that are able to prevent me from running whatever code I want (because at that precise moment, I do no longer own a personal universal computer). If enabling piracy is a side effect of preserving the freedom of an OS, then it's a small price to pay to preserve freedom. Thankfully again, it will always be possible to remove components from GPL software, even for "compiling wizards".
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See you are missing one thing. The fact that android is not licensed under the GPL. Only the Android kernel is under the GPL. The rest is apache, which means they can close source any part of the os they want. This is why things like Sense, Touch wiz, Zen, miui and all the others are closed sourced.
Guys whenever you create something with so much hardwork then you expect something in return of it. But if someone stealing those things then obviously you will oppose rather than allow it.
Open source has its own benefit and disadvantages. We have to decide in what way we have to use these things. Developers are protecting their hardwork. And its their right. We can't tell them what to do and what not to do.
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See you are missing one thing. The fact that android is not licensed under the GPL. Only the Android kernel is under the GPL. The rest is apache, which means they can close source any part of the os they want. This is why things like Sense, Touch wiz, Zen, miui and all the others are closed sourced.
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Yeah with "most" i was referring to the Linux Kernel, which I consider the most important part, as an environment to run APKs could theoretically be substituted. But even the Apache Licence for the Android project is OK for the purpose of retaining the user freedom, although the GPL would obviously be preferable. The most problematic part as far as I can see is the proprietary framework, but at least there are people willing to tackle that issue, like the μg Project..
@vishal24387:
It's well known, that someone who is giving larger contributions to an important free software project will get hired pretty fast. Please tell me of any disadvantage of Open Source (or more importantly of free/libre software, OpenSource without free licences is problematic of course).
Developers are free to think of ways to protect their software. That must not include having OS developers place restrictions on users who aren't even interested in their software.
A developer who believes that's the right way to protect his software can include those restrictions in his own binaries and use some of the Google API features to identify his paying users. In that case the issue of restricting the users freedom only affects those users who run that kind of non-free software.
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Yeah with "most" i was referring to the Linux Kernel, which I consider the most important part, as an environment to run APKs could theoretically be substituted. But even the Apache Licence for the Android project is OK for the purpose of retaining the user freedom, although the GPL would obviously be preferable. The most problematic part as far as I can see is the proprietary framework, but at least there are people willing to tackle that issue, like the μg Project..
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Not sure how you see that. The license states that they can do anything they want to the source and completely close it off like the privacy guard. They are making it closed sourced and there are many devs working on it to make it even stronger.
If you agree wit it or not really doesnt matter a whole lot. XDA is against warez and will support anything and everything to prevent the use of it. Like the module that disables the privacy guard which is now banned on XDA.
Not sure how you see that. The license states that they can do anything they want to the source and completely close it off like the privacy guard. They are making it closed sourced and there are many devs working on it to make it even stronger.
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The only Privacy Guard I'm aware of is a free software encryption tool, what component are you referring to specifically?
As long as the Free Software part of Android stays usable, closed source components are not an issue and can be removed. I don't care how many devs are making a closed source component stronger, as long as I can remove it from my system.
As soon as that's no longer an option, there'll definitely be forks to continue to be able to have projects like replicant.
If you agree wit it or not really doesnt matter a whole lot. XDA is against warez and will support anything and everything to prevent the use of it. Like the module that disables the privacy guard which is now banned on XDA.
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Anything and everything? If it's at the cost of the users freedom I'll regret my former donation to XDA and have to hope for it's downfall in the long run, but I'm pretty sure not everybody at XDA shares those drastic opinions.
For the most important and tedious parts, like fixes in drivers that are part of the GPL licenced kernel any work on XDA can be used by those who don't want to use certain other components even if all of XDA would endorse them (and I do not believe that's the case).
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The only Privacy Guard I'm aware of is a free software encryption tool, what component are you referring to specifically?
As long as the Free Software part of Android stays usable, closed source components are not an issue and can be removed. I don't care how many devs are making a closed source component stronger, as long as I can remove it from my system.
As soon as that's no longer an option, there'll definitely be forks to continue to be able to have projects like replicant.
Anything and everything? If it's at the cost of the users freedom I'll regret my former donation to XDA and have to hope for it's downfall in the long run, but I'm pretty sure not everybody at XDA shares those drastic opinions.
For the most important and tedious parts, like fixes in drivers that are part of the GPL licenced kernel any work on XDA can be used by those who don't want to use certain other components even if all of XDA would endorse them (and I do not believe that's the case).
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Then what your missing is the new privacy guard which is coded into the base OS which prevents things like freedom, lucky patcher and every warez market known at the time with more being added every day.
Maybe not everyone. Most users in China and India (Where warez are common place) dont really agree with it but all the mods have talked about it and agree Warez is not something XDA has now or ever will support.
This is not kernel based. That is what you are missing. This is coded into the base OS. The part that is not covered by the GPL.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/3eo8sj/antipiracy_measures_on_android_custom_roms/
Also remember that we are a developer forum. Made for and by developers. So we will back any and everything that rips them off of their rights to protect their software from being pirated.
This may seem like a strange question but I've seen this reply on another thread here:
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It's not only chinese companies like lenovo, but do you think chinese communist party is democratic ?
If it's currently admited that google work with NSA, don't you think Chinese autorities wouldn't like to use all these smartphone made in china and sold all around the world
If you don't trust MS as you said, it would be a little bit naive to trust chineses companies
But i'am afraid we have to live with it. when i see the download number of facebook on playstore i think most people don't care anymore about privacy , so why governments or big companies would care to not spy us.
Even on xda a lot of people continue to use supersu (closedsource and chinese owned) rather than magisk-phh opensource, most people simply don't care.
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/174...lled-on-lenovo-huawei-and-xiaomi-smartphones/
https://eandt.theiet.org/content/ar...a-smartphones-spy-on-users-researchers-found/
lenovo laptops :
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/...use-of-lenovo-computers-over-chinese-spyware/
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/military-warns-chinese-computer-gear-poses-cyber-spy-threat/
http://thehackernews.com/2015/09/lenovo-laptop-virus.html
And we don't talk about qualcomm "bug" that could be an usefull backdoor : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...million-android-devices-vulnerable-to-attack/
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That kind of got me worried. Can Motorola be trusted? Surely someone would have figured out by now that the stock ROM is stealing information without us knowing. Is this merely FUD?
Thanks! :silly:
most of the Chinese smartphone brands are trusted imo
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most of the Chinese smartphone brands are trusted imo
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I think so to. But Lenovo (and now Motorola) does have a worrisome history.
got the pixel 6 today, rooted with magisk and im just starting to play with it..
but it keeps asking my to finish setup and get a google account. i dont want a google account or need one
( yep im going to install everything manually or from aroura store)
how do i get the pixel to stop asking me? ( so far i can only have ask again tommorow)
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got the pixel 6 today, rooted with magisk and im just starting to play with it..
but it keeps asking my to finish setup and get a google account. i dont want a google account or need one
( yep im going to install everything manually or from aroura store)
how do i get the pixel to stop asking me? ( so far i can only have ask again tommorow)
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Why not install a different rom? I think some don't even use gapps or can sandbox them.
edit: Here's a new thread maybe that could be a good starting point.
[CLOSED] I'm done with XDA
MOD EDIT: Since the OP has deleted the original contents of the post, thread closed.
forum.xda-developers.com
i plan to test the factory rom for a few weeks so i have a baseline to compare to other roms
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i plan to test the factory rom for a few weeks so i have a baseline to compare to other roms
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Then compare it as designed. Log in. Otherwise you're not doing the factory rom justice.
if by justice you mean features that require internet and my personal information and habits, those are features that i dont need or will ever use.
if you are talking general speed and battery usage and functioning with the apps i use the most, then logging into google on my phone is not needed.
the phone might have the power to calculate the need parameters to build a space ship and put a man on mars, but using that power to smooth out my crows feet, socialize online looking for 5000 likes and 2 millions followers , is not a improvement in tech use.
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if by justice you mean features that require internet and my personal information and habits, those are features that i dont need or will ever use.
if you are talking general speed and battery usage and functioning with the apps i use the most, then logging into google on my phone is not needed.
the phone might have the power to calculate the need parameters to build a space ship and put a man on mars, but using that power to smooth out my crows feet, socialize online looking for 5000 likes and 2 millions followers , is not a improvement in tech use.
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If you know what you're doing you can log in with a Google account and not give out all the information you mentioned. There are a lot of privacy concerns these days all you need to do is some research. I'm sure you can figure something out that will accomplish your goals. Good luck.
Try freezing Google systems and Play services.
There are different apps that can do this, but you will need root.
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if by justice you mean features that require internet and my personal information and habits, those are features that i dont need or will ever use.
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I think he means not cutting off your nose to spite your face. Google credentials are needed for Play Store, like for keeping Carrier Services and whatnot updated. It's possible to push back against data harvesters while using stock Android, especially with root access. But it sounds like you'd rather take your concerns to the next level with something like CalyxOS and a Play Store alternative.
the only thing i dont want is to log into anything to use what i paid for.
the device is not crippled, its rooted and i have already installed 150 apps and disabled everything google i can disable.
i dont want the google experience, i want to experience the device i bought.,
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the only thing i dont want is to log into anything to use what i paid for.
the device is not crippled, its rooted and i have already installed 150 apps and disabled everything google i can disable.
i dont want the google experience, i want to experience the device i bought.,
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So, you don't want the Google experience yet you bought a Google-branded phone? Just a bit of an oxymoron there. Seriously, while I could ask why you bought a Google phone if you don't intend to use Google services, it would be a pointless waste of time and energy.
Install a custom ROM that doesn't use Google services and don't look back. Just don't complain when you can't take advantage of a Google-exclusive feature as a result.
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So, you don't want the Google experience yet you bought a Google-branded phone? Just a bit of an oxymoron there. Seriously, while I could ask why you bought a Google phone if you don't intend to use Google services, it would be a pointless waste of time and energy.
Install a custom ROM that doesn't use Google services and don't look back. Just don't complain when you can't take advantage of a Google-exclusive feature as a result.
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so you did not bother to read a damn word i wrote but felt that you just had to tell me how stupid i am to not give a **** about the google experience..
how many times do people tell you to **** off?
i am just wondering.
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if by justice you mean features that require internet and my personal information and habits, those are features that i dont need or will ever use.
if you are talking general speed and battery usage and functioning with the apps i use the most, then logging into google on my phone is not needed.
the phone might have the power to calculate the need parameters to build a space ship and put a man on mars, but using that power to smooth out my crows feet, socialize online looking for 5000 likes and 2 millions followers , is not a improvement in tech use.
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I truly do not understand people like you.
> Buys flagship phone from company with newest OS tuned to run as best as the company can to represent itself and its product.
> Tries to not have an email address because tracking
You do realize that as a society we are all walking around with computers thousands of time faster than we had sitting on our desks 20 years ago. That have dozens of sensors, connected to wireless networks, that can cover nearly every inch of the surface of the planet. What you're worried about is what we (the collective nerds/geeks/privacy advocates) were screaming at the top of our lungs back in the 90s...before it was too late.
It's too late son, That ship sailed, sank, was resurfaced, and put into a museum so younger generations could see what it was like in the way back when before times.
Good luck with your quest to use factory google pixel phone and rom without a Gmail account. That's surly the only way they are tracking you.
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so you did not bother to read a damn word i wrote but felt that you just had to tell me how stupid i am to not give a **** about the google experience..
how many times do people tell you to **** off?
i am just wondering.
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Everyone read what you wrote don't be a martyr. The fact remains you didn't get an answer yet you continue to berate members here trying to guide you in a direction that is concurrent with reality. You seem to be delusional and contrary, simply looking for an argument and to make your voice heard over reasonable discussion. It's not working. We tried to help but you will have none of it. So perhaps it's time to find another place where your diatribe will matter. As I said before, good luck.
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Everyone read what you wrote don't be a martyr. The fact remains you didn't get an answer yet you continue to berate members here trying to guide you in a direction that is concurrent with reality. You seem to be delusional and contrary, simply looking for an argument and to make your voice heard over reasonable discussion. It's not working. We tried to help but you will have none of it. So perhaps it's time to find another place where your diatribe will matter. As I said before, good luck.
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no having people post just to insult my choices is not something i ignore. that jack ass was the first person to insult me, and i dont roll over and accept insults.
i have zero problem with getting no answer, but a huge problem with jackasses that post only to insult me.
no one should ever feel they need to put up with **** like that
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I truly do not understand people like you.
> Buys flagship phone from company with newest OS tuned to run as best as the company can to represent itself and its product.
> Tries to not have an email address because tracking
You do realize that as a society we are all walking around with computers thousands of time faster than we had sitting on our desks 20 years ago. That have dozens of sensors, connected to wireless networks, that can cover nearly every inch of the surface of the planet. What you're worried about is what we (the collective nerds/geeks/privacy advocates) were screaming at the top of our lungs back in the 90s...before it was too late.
It's too late son, That ship sailed, sank, was resurfaced, and put into a museum so younger generations could see what it was like in the way back when before times.
Good luck with your quest to use factory google pixel phone and rom without a Gmail account. That's surly the only way they are tracking you.
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let me guess you have nothing better to do but try ****ting on people. maybe you should go to reddit and not be someplace people try to learn about their device and what you can customize.
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no having people post just to insult my choices is not something i ignore. that jack ass was the first person to insult me, and i dont roll over and accept insults.
i have zero problem with getting no answer, but a huge problem with jackasses that post only to insult me.
no one should ever feel they need to put up with **** like that
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Then perhaps it's time to move on don't you think? This thread is really not productive.
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Then perhaps it's time to move on don't you think? This thread is really not productive.
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its not productive because of **** nuts that want to piss on other peoples choices.
im not going anywhere. the the useless ****s can move on while i wait for someone with the desire and skill to customize the pixel 6 who might have an answer
nutpants said:
got the pixel 6 today, rooted with magisk and im just starting to play with it..
but it keeps asking my to finish setup and get a google account. i dont want a google account or need one
( yep im going to install everything manually or from aroura store)
how do i get the pixel to stop asking me? ( so far i can only have ask again tommorow)
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Try this: Settings>Apps>See All Apps>3 dot menu "Show System">Android Setup>Disable that app
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Try this: Settings>Apps>See All Apps>3 dot menu "Show System">Android Setup>Disable that app
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thank you
that is one i missed while disabling many others.
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Then perhaps it's time to move on don't you think? This thread is really not productive.
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It wasn't productive from the first post. It simply is an excuse for him to rant and rave about how Google is a data whore and all that. I can understand that, as I once was like him. Perhaps I am in the wrong here for being so blasé over Google's data collection, but I stopped worrying years ago about it. I figured the benefits outweighed the liabilities.
It's rather entitled to expect to have all the benefits of a smartphone while having none of the liabilities. I think if I were truly that worried about data collection to rant about it in a public forum I wouldn't be using a phone at all. After all, every phone made today, from the most expensive smartphone to the cheapest dumbphone, has sensors in it that can track you, even when the phone is off.
To the OP, TANSTAAFL.