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With the new device coming out, I was wondering if anyone knows if the new surface book/pro 4 stylus would work on the note 12.2. I do not know if they switched back to wacom, but It did not seem to be an active stylus.
The Surface Pro 4 pen is a redesigned N-Trig pen, so no. And the Book pen is a Surface pen.
I really like that i7/Nvidia/16GBRAM/1TB Surface Book. But Microsoft won't tell us exactly which Nvidia GPU is included, which makes me more than a bit suspicious... I don't have $3200, anyway.
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The Surface Pro 4 pen is a redesigned N-Trig pen, so no. And the Book pen is a Surface pen.
I really like that i7/Nvidia/16GBRAM/1TB Surface Book. But Microsoft won't tell us exactly which Nvidia GPU is included, which makes me more than a bit suspicious... I don't have $3200, anyway.
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I played with a surface book for a bit (2400 dollar version) and it was impressive. I have never wanted to replace my NOTE Pro with a surface pro, but the book was an entirely different experience. I didn't like the magnetic clip for the pen though. No way that thing is in the same place after a ride to work in a backpack. Otherwise nearly perfect. However for $3200 I would look at the Vaio Canvas instead. Then you'll be getting a full quad core desktop CPU and still good battery life.
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I played with a surface book for a bit (2400 dollar version) and it was impressive. I have never wanted to replace my NOTE Pro with a surface pro, but the book was an entirely different experience. I didn't like the magnetic clip for the pen though. No way that thing is in the same place after a ride to work in a backpack. Otherwise nearly perfect. However for $3200 I would look at the Vaio Canvas instead. Then you'll be getting a full quad core desktop CPU and still good battery life.
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Hahaha, well, nothing every stays in the same place in my bag, so one more or less wouldn't be too much of an issue. :laugh:
Sadly the Vaio is as useless as the Surface Pro 3 and 4.
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Integrated IntelHD GPU's aren't worth 5 quid, let alone 3000. If I'm going to spend 3000 quid on a tablet/laptop combination, I want to be able to use it as such, and not as a glorified Facebook machine. If I can't game on it, I don't want it.
At least the Surface Book comes with an Intel i7 and a dedicated Nvidia GPU.
You do realize the i7 in the Surface Book is a full QuadCore desktop CPU? The one in the Surface Book is a 6th Gen i7-6650U, the one in the Vaio Canvas is a 4th gen i7-4770HQ.
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Hahaha, well, nothing every stays in the same place in my bag, so one more or less wouldn't be too much of an issue. :laugh:
Sadly the Vaio is as useless as the Surface Pro 3 and 4.
Integrated IntelHD GPU's aren't worth 5 quid, let alone 3000. If I'm going to spend 3000 quid on a tablet/laptop combination, I want to be able to use it as such, and not as a glorified Facebook machine. If I can't game on it, I don't want it.
At least the Surface Book comes with an Intel i7 and a dedicated Nvidia GPU.
You do realize the i7 in the Surface Book is a full QuadCore desktop CPU? The one in the Surface Book is a 6th Gen i7-6650U, the one in the Vaio Canvas is a 4th gen i7-4770HQ.
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No I didn't realize that, the one I used had the i5 6300U which I pretty sure is a dual core. Also the 6650u is also a dual core I think. I can't afford either right now anyway and I still find my 905 to be great.
The i7 processor in the SurfaceBook is an i7-6600U. It is a dual core CPU, not quad core. At least that's what I've read everywhere. I think it'd be quite a feat to get a desktop class quad core i7 inside a tablet.
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The i7 processor in the SurfaceBook is an i7-6600U. It is a dual core CPU, not quad core. At least that's what I've read everywhere. I think it'd be quite a feat to get a desktop class quad core i7 inside a tablet.
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Bloody hell, you're right...
http://ark.intel.com/products/88192/Intel-Core-i7-6600U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_40-GHz said:
# of Cores 2
# of Threads 4
Processor Base Frequency 2.6 GHz
Max Turbo Frequency 3.4 GHz
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Well, I'm not paying 3000 quid for a Dualcore. If I wanted 2009 specs, I'd buy a Macbook.
I really want a surface book myself. My biggest thing has been using a stylus that could replace paper and pen. I am a writer and I want something portable. i ahve my gaming system, so i wasnt looking for that. Though, I still wanted something I could play some games with, and maybe even some low settings of higher end games.
From what I have heard the dedicated gpu is a 1gb 900 series. Probably a 950m or so. Though, that is speculation. The 1GB limit is what bugs me. It means a limit on many dx11/12 and physX settings.
I didnt know if the surface pen was wacom or ntrig. They both have their benefits, however, the wacom still works with less lag.
I like Vaio options. They do pretty well. The last one I had was the Sony Vaio flip 15a. It was nice, with a good dedicated GPU. I got a refurbished model for around 800 bucks, with 1TB HDD and i7.
Its up in the air. Without cost being a concern Id just use a notepro and a surfacebook for mobile and my gaming laptop at home mostly.
An equivalent (roughly ) spec mac book pro is cheaper than the surfacebook. I know the mac book isn't a touchscreen device but I think that going higher than Apple's pricing isn't a smart move. Like them or not mac books tend to be sturdy long lasting machines and that hinge on the surfacebook looks like it's begging to be snapped off.
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An equivalent (roughly ) spec mac book pro is cheaper than the surfacebook. I know the mac book isn't a touchscreen device but I think that going higher than Apple's pricing isn't a smart move. Like them or not mac books tend to be sturdy long lasting machines and that hinge on the surfacebook looks like it's begging to be snapped off.
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Macbooks are no more durable that any other laptop, they just market it that way. Apple could make people think they are the shiniest most awesome thing on the planet. Hence why they call it the reality distortion field. We also cannot judge a hinge or other part of a product based solely on looks. Who knows, that hinge may outlast every other component.
I also cannot think that comparing a non touchscreen macbook to a surface pro and thinking they are equivalent is really all that equal. You are taking out a couple of the most expensive components. The touch screen and the digitizer, not to mention the pen. Thats like saying "My motorcycle cost less than my car, and its just a couple of wheels difference.".
There is also a need to consider other components, such as the dedicate gpu, the possibility of a quad i7, the rear facing camera, the fact that it can detach and be used as a tablet, The fact that it has higher resolution than the mbp, etc.
Overall, I would say the price difference is just fine. Though, in my opinion they are both overpriced. Apple is always notorious for making high margins on their products. The surface series is also notorious for being high cost. Price is definitely going to be the biggest 'con' to the device.
You're right about comparing the two devices, but it seems that Microsoft do consider the Apple laptops to be a competitor.
Everyone's experience is different but my 2009 Macbook Air still looks and feels new. I've never been able to say that about any other manufacturer's laptops. I thing the Macbook hardware really is top notch (sadly with a price to match!)
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You're right about comparing the two devices, but it seems that Microsoft do consider the Apple laptops to be a competitor.
Everyone's experience is different but my 2009 Macbook Air still looks and feels new. I've never been able to say that about any other manufacturer's laptops. I thing the Macbook hardware really is top notch (sadly with a price to match!)
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If you don't Game, and as a result don't require heavy duty hardware, then a Macbook will last you about 10-15 years. That's the good part of OS X, it doesn't clutter anywhere near as much as Windows does.
But if you play games (like me) the situation becomes slightly different. (You can't play real Games on a Macbook without running Windows in bootcamp anyway). They just don't run very well on 2 year old hardware, let alone 5.
I'd want to play Dragon Age Inquisition on the tablet, for instance. Today I'm doing it through Splashtop, but that just streams my desktop (it does add controls though). But running the game on an IntelHD? I tried that when the Optimus driver didn't support the game yet. (My Laptop has Nvidia Optimus, so without driver support everything runs on my IntelHD 5000 instead of my GT740M.) The result was, well... terrible. Even the main menu ran at 2fps. :silly:
But the whole issue about videocards is a moot point when the competition is Apple, because Apple always uses IntelHD videocards anyway. :laugh:
I game on a desktop. Gaming laptop is an oxymoron
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I game on a desktop. Gaming laptop is an oxymoron
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No, it really isn't. :laugh:
Intel i7 - 3630QM 3.4GHz, 6M Cache
12GB DDR 5 RAM
Nvidia Geforce GT 740M 4GB VRAM
1.5TB 7200RPM (I have no use for an SSD, far too small)
17.3" 1080p Matte LED, LEDbacklit keyboard.
You can game perfectly fine on that. Skyrim runs with 253 mods including HD mods on Ultra at a steady 60fps. Dragon Age Inquisition runs on High at 30fps.
You just need to stop shopping in crappy electronics shops, and pick one you can mod. I put the DDR5 in myself, as it came with 8GB DDR3. The GPU could use some upgrading, but I'm not exactly earning a fortune at the moment.
Please tell me how you suggest I game on a desktop computer when I live in two cities half a country apart 50/50 of a week. I'm not lugging a desktop tower onto a train for 5 hours twice a week, thank you very much... :laugh:
Hmmmmm you didn't take any notice of my wink emoji.
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Hmmmmm you didn't take any notice of my wink emoji.
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Sure did, hence all the laughing emojji's Just joking along.
I always find it funny when people talk about the limits of laptops and how you need a desktop for real power.
I see it all the time, and it makes me laugh. Sure, a desktop is cheaper and can definitely be more powerful, but my laptop serves me just fine, too.
I can run most games on ultra settings without much issue.
However, thats the one big thing with a surface for me. I still want to game. If I am not going to be lugging my laptop around, i sill want to be able to play an rts or maybe break out an older game like fallout 3 or call or juarez or civ 5 and play a bit. With the new setup, I think you will be able to do that. The older surfaces could game, but they were being pushed to run games like civ 5. I remember the i7 model was running so hot that it throttled down to the i5 model speed or less, so gamers were just going with the i5.
I hope they took care of heat management here. Its going to be one of the biggest issues when people start pushing those GPUs
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I am expecting some biased answers here, but I am trying to decide between the Asus Zenwatch 2 and the Moto 360 1st Gen. I am in the market for a new watch, and I have decided to go with a smartwatch. I figure it will be much more useful. I mainly want it to tell time and to show me notifications. So I care less about any added features, heart rate monitors, etc.
Honestly, I do like the appearance of the Asus Zenwatch 2 more than the 360, when the display is off! The ONLY thing I do not like about the Zenwatch 2 is those damn bezels. If they filled the watch face with display, I would not be typing this right now and I would probably already have the watch.
I am just looking for input on the Asus Zenwatch 2 really. How do you all like it? Are the bezels as annoying in person as they are in real life? The main reason I am deciding between these two is because they are both $150 right now. That is all I am really looking to spend as I don't want one bad enough to spend $300-$400. If I did, I would hands down get the Samsung S2 Classic.
I had moto 360 but returned it due to battery life and performance though I heard some recent improvement due to android wear updates. Currently using zen watch 2 I like it overall and it is more future proof for its spec and speaker built in, I think which look you like more could be your decision factor, the only annoying thing is the range of bluetooth is short for zen watch 2 with my s6 edge+, other than that I am satisfied with it
The bezel is not so bad if you use a black watch face and it should save some battery as well
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I had moto 360 but returned it due to battery life and performance though I heard some recent improvement due to android wear updates. Currently using zen watch 2 I like it overall and it is more future proof for its spec and speaker built in, I think which look you like more could be your decision factor, the only annoying thing is the range of bluetooth is short for zen watch 2 with my s6 edge+, other than that I am satisfied with it
The bezel is not so bad if you use a black watch face and it should save some battery as well
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I did read about the built in speaker, which is a nice addition as I am sure it is there for future support. All I want a smart watch for is to look at the time without having to take my beefy Nexus 6 out of my pocket, and for notifications to see who is calling, text messages, etc. I would care less about anything else. Heart sensors, GPS, none of that matters to me.
So I guess you are right. It ultimately comes down to which looks better to me. It is a toss up though... I do like the Zenwatch 2. If it wasn't for that thick bezel, this wouldn't be so hard for me. The Moto 360 is making it hard for me as well, as I do like the one model Motorola has on sale right now. The champagne with cognac leather is so my style. (I hate metal bands)
Do you know anything about the Sony Smartwatches? Amazon has the Sony SmartWatch 3 on sale from $299 to about $160....
ZenWatch2
Doesn't look like an Oreo
Better processor
No flat tire
Longer support (new vs year old)
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ZenWatch2
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Better processor
No flat tire
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I still can't make up my mind which smartwatch to get... The Moto 360 1st Gen is out though due to its dated processor and smaller battery life.
Now I am looking at the Fossil Q Founder. I feel this would be the smartest way for me to go, as it is more future proof than any other smartwatch on the market right now. It has an Intel Atom Processor with 1GB of ram. Sure, it does have the "flat tire" but I feel I can put up with the flat tire more than I can the massive bezels of the Zenwatch 2. I really like the overall design of the Zenwatch 2, so don't think I am here to bash it. When I decided I wanted a smartwatch I originally thought that is what I was going to get. The more I looked at it though the more I realized how much I didn't like the bezels. If they would have filled their watch face with display this thread would not be here right now and I would have one on my wrist. I would have paid $300 for an Asus Zenwatch 2 IF the face was pure AMOLED display. No BS! (1GB of ram would of been nice too)
What do you mean by " IF the face was pure AMOLED display"?
Not sure why you'd need 1GB of RAM on a watch.
The drawback of the ZW2 is that even though it has the same specs as nearly all the other watches, something about the software causes lag and underperforms the others in bench tests (there's a bench test thread in the Wear forum). Hopefully some custom ROMs and/or updates can fix that.
As far as the bezel, to each his own. It's understandable (dat bezel doe). Personally I just don't care, and the $130 price with LED display is pretty sweet.
Also...IIRC the Atom processor has historically had high power consumption compared to other mobile processors. Just something to consider.
I'm using the ZW2, after using it for a few days I think it's an amazing watch. First of all, the price is unbeatable. The screen is nice, and if compared to the moto 360, it has a speaker, so it's futureproof. Plus, the battery life is amazing, lasting 2-3 days isn't any issue. Regarding the bezel, I made a digital clock watch face, the numbers appear in white color. So when the watch is in standby, the black screen blends in with the bezel and it looks just great with the white digital clock. Simple and nice. Personally, regarding Android Wear itself, I think there is much room to improve it's functionality, like real notifications (not only links to open app on the phone). Plus, the app list isn't very user friendly.
Yea having owned the LG G Watch, ZW2, and now Hauwei Watch, the Motorola 1st gen is meh. My coworker has it and it is huge. The flat tire kinda would drive me crazy. And the battery on his lasts like half a day (wifi disabled, screen on, 5s standby, 50% screen brightness).
The ZW2 and the Hauwei are the only 2 with a speaker to support the future versions of Android Wear. I'm sure everyone will still get the update but speaker support was the reason why I upgraded.
The original Moto 360 used a TI OMAP processor. The Motorola 360 2 uses the Snapdragon 400, the same as the ZW2 and Hauwei.
I would pick the ZW2 over the first 360 Watch. The ZW2 is a second gen watch. The curved display feels great to "palm" (to turn off the display). It has WiFi and a speaker. It DOES NOT have a heart rate monitor, which are completely stupid in a watch anyway (IMO).
The 360 has a 300mAh battery, the 360 2 has a 400. The ZW2 has a 400. The Hauwei has a 300. Both the ZW2 and Hauwei (and LG G Watch) all had over 50% battery left at the end of the day.
The Motorola watches (1 and 2) both have LCD displays where the ZW2 and Hauwei have OLED. Black is true black. This may not seem that big of a deal, but when you have a "flashlight" on your wrist at night, even in standby mode, it is glaring. The OLED (similar to AMOLED), black is off. So if you have a black theme watch face, most of the pixels will be off = battery savings. Plus Standby mode only displays specific items, not the whole face. This looks much better on an OLED screen.
I can't recommend the Moto unless you simply looking for the cheapest round display watch.
The ZW2 is about $129 (cheaper on newegg). The Hauwei I bought locally for $299 + 10% off at Best Buy @ $269
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I still can't make up my mind which smartwatch to get... The Moto 360 1st Gen is out though due to its dated processor and smaller battery life.
Now I am looking at the Fossil Q Founder. I feel this would be the smartest way for me to go, as it is more future proof than any other smartwatch on the market right now. It has an Intel Atom Processor with 1GB of ram. Sure, it does have the "flat tire" but I feel I can put up with the flat tire more than I can the massive bezels of the Zenwatch 2. I really like the overall design of the Zenwatch 2, so don't think I am here to bash it. When I decided I wanted a smartwatch I originally thought that is what I was going to get. The more I looked at it though the more I realized how much I didn't like the bezels. If they would have filled their watch face with display this thread would not be here right now and I would have one on my wrist. I would have paid $300 for an Asus Zenwatch 2 IF the face was pure AMOLED display. No BS! (1GB of ram would of been nice too)
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The review of fossil founder seems not so good http://www.cnet.com/products/fossil-q-founder/
Figured I would update the thread.
So, I ended up ordering the Fossil Q Founder. I didn't like it. I didn't like the way it fit / felt on my wrist. It was really bulky. The flat tire was worse in person than I thought it was going to be. Also, the report I read that it had an internal speaker was false. It does not have the speaker. So I sent it back. This is what I get for not going with my first instinct. I originally wanted the Zenwatch 2 when I decided to get a new watch / smart watch.
So, I ordered the Zenwatch 2! I ordered the Gun Metal version. (Stainless Steel band) I think it looks very sharp and sleek. I paid $200 shipped, $100 under the Fossil Q Founder! I can't wait to get it and try it out.
Yea but looking at specs it seems comparable to a Moto 360 kinda. Flat Tire LCD screen. Atom processor. 400mAh battery. $299. The only thing I can see is that for the price you would be better off with a Hauwei Watch (what I currently own).
I really can't complain about the ZenWatch 2. It is the thinnest of all the watches, curved screen so it kinda hugs your wrist. $129. Speaker support. Waterproof. Amoled Screen. The charger was great. I can't really recommend any other watch unless you are die hard wanting a round screen, then the Hauwei Watch is the winner there. The Snapdragon chipsets really sip battery.
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http://wp.me/p1U9wP-H my review of the tablet now
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Review of a tablet from a user point of view
https://youtu.be/Pyirjs2WQ64
There may be various uses of a tablet
Major uses :
GAMES on a big screen
BOOK reading
NOTE taking
MEDIA consumption
So what are the features of an ideal tablet:
SOLID BATTERY LIFE
EXCELLENT SCREEN QUALITY
EXCELLENT CPU AND GPU
GOOD STYLUS SUPPORT
3G/4G SUPPORT for data
today i will review an extremely unknown tablet that comes close to being an ideal tablet!
THE tablet am talking about is the HP ELITE X2 1011 G1!
Specifications are as below
CPU 1.2 GHz Intel Core M-5Y71
Operating System Windows 8.1 Pro
RAM 8GB
RAM Upgradable to
Hard Drive Size 256GB SSD
Hard Drive Speed
Hard Drive Type SSD Drive
Secondary Hard Drive Size
Secondary Hard Drive Speed
Secondary Hard Drive Type
Display Size 11.6
Native Resolution 1920x1080
Optical Drive None
Optical Drive Speed
Graphics Card Intel HD Graphics 5300
Video Memory
Wi-Fi 802.11a/b/g/n/ac
Wi-Fi Model Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 7265
Bluetooth Bluetooth 4.0
Mobile Broadband YES
Touchpad Size 2 x 3.5 inches
Ports (excluding USB) USB 3.0
Ports (excluding USB) DisplayPort
Ports (excluding USB) Headphone
Ports (excluding USB) Proprietary
USB Ports 2
Warranty/Support 1 year limited warranty, 1 year limited warranty on primary battery
Size 11.73 x 8.04 x 0.82 in (tablet with power keyboard), 11. 73 x 7.58 x 0.42 (tablet)
Weight Tablet: 1.92 pounds, Power Keyboard 1.71 pounds, 3.63 pounds combined total
Company Website http://www.hp.com
Now why exactly am crazy about this tablet?
first i will tell you a brief history of devices i owned, dunno from where to start, ok lemme list it chronologically according to acquisition:
Galaxy Tab 2
Nexus 7 first gen
Samsung Ativ SMart PC 500T
Blackberry playbook
Nexus 7 2nd gen
Ipad 3 64gb wifi cellular
ipad mini 32gb wifi cellular
Ipad Air 1st gen
Samsung Ativ Smart PC XE700
Microsoft Surface Pro 2 core i5
Microsoft surface Pro 3 core i5 128gb
Asus T300 Chi 128gb
Teclast X98 air 3G dual boot
HP elite X2 1011 G1
Out of the above few devices have been sold and bought twice like Tab2, Nexus 7 2nd gen and iPad 3.
Then i will tell you that i didnt buy it at the MRP suggested by the company, i bought it for 40K INR, if you buy it for the suggested price of 90K then it will absolutely kill the purpose of this review. The recent prices are extremely cheap and i will drop few links below.i got it through a ebay india dealer who usually imports and sells at a reasonable prices in India.
Now the primary aim of a tablet is mobility and long battery life which is primary aim, apart from that my usage is focussed on reading pdf ebooks and scribbling over them so STYLUS SUPPORT IS MUST FOR ME. If you see the above list of devices i used then you will come to know that i used all sorts of styluses from passive wacom ones in SURAFCE PRO 2 and NOTE series phones, to active N TRIG one on SURFACE PRO 3 to SYNAPTICS stylus on ASUS T300 Chi.
Active styluses are better as proposed by most digital artists and i do agree, the wacom passive ones are not enough accurate towards the edge of the screens but after using them all i can tell you i am inclined towards the passive ones with good pressure sensitivity
no need of idiotic AAAA batteries which are damn costly and not widely available either
if your stylus has more tech inside the more chance of defects as happened with me!! The synaptics stylus was particularly irritating and the N trig stylus drained batteries
So in my usage case of writing notes i prefer WACOM PASSIVE STYLUS, obviously your mileage may vary depending on your usage pattern or priority.
Comparative Specs post mortem:
STORAGE:
If you want a big storage space and a tablet it will cost you loads of money, just think of the prices of ipads with bigger storages. Mine has 256 gb SSD and a very fast one too.
CELLULAR SUPPORT:
Now this also is an extremely important aspect for a tablet and if someone avoids one then the reason is mostly INDOOR usage scenario or Less frequent travelling and presence of wifi hotspots in your destinations but round the clock data acccess is a very essential part of a tablet.
Here you will see various companies charging exorbitantly for a cellular modem. Mine comes with 3G modem built in and works nicely though non 3G versions do exist.
BUILD QUALITY:
Now this is a very interesting aspect that i need to tell you, why the hell do you think i changed devices like surface pro 3 and Asus T300 chi? both are sexy as anything and extremely feature rich.....
Answer to above is both the tablets screens cracked on slightest impact as i couldnt get a case for both in india at that point of time so it cost me a lot of money for using SEXY devices so i decided no more again. The pro 3 was just kept from few inches from the ground while inside the backpack and T300 chi screen broke when a friend by mistake applied some torsion on the tablet while still connected to the keyboards.
HERE comes the HP ELITE X2 1011 with military grade build quality and mlg specifications and i have peace of mind while i carry these in my back pack with a minor padding. ITS NOT A GIMMICK AS ITS BUILT TO LAST
SCREEN QUALITY:
From the onset i will tell you the first negative of this tablet SCREEN LOOKS WASHED as it doesnt have the same colour gamut of the ipad or galaxy tab s2 etc.
This i corrected using intel graphics software thats there in windows side of this tablet
Now did i just say windows side of the tablet???? OMG somethings wrong with me, this one just comes with Windows Professional out of the box right? ok may be i am cranky right now.
TEXT INPUT MODES:
Now i see most people wanting to buy a aftermarket keyboard for using with their tablets but the original manufacturer only meant them to be TOUCH ONLY devices for media consumption and not for DOING ANY "REAL WORK"(oops this line is so cliche right now among various OS fanboys)
So how does my Tablet fare here? it comes with a POWER KEYBOARD with a awesome keyboard
has 2 USB ports
AUDIO out 3.5mm port
Smart card reader( immaterial to me)
Finger print scanner that is as good as in laptop worlds though old swiping tech and not just Touch tech as introduced in iphone onwards and now ubiquitious
Mini display port
Extra battery though a bit smaller than the one inside the tablet( i am intentionally leaving out the specs part not to make it too technical as its just a user point of view) this extra battery almost gives me half the battery life that the tablet battery gives
So i think its an awesome accessory to have and was included in my deal, remember ASUS T300 Chi keyboard was bluetooth one so unusable inside BIOS settings and you just have to pray that the display touch never stops working else forget about BIOS tinkering(though i somehow managed to buy a extra usb keyboard and used the micro usb port to change few settings but it was irritating as my tablet crashed and i had to run to market to buy a KB to do a clean windows install)
PROCESSING POWER:
My model comes with Core M 5y71 with 8gb ram and 256 gb HDD. few years back i was of the notion of buying the fastest and the best thinking thats the thing i should have and i will keep that thing for more than a year but i found benchmarks and reviews showing benchmarks are for nerdgasm and only cater to fanboy fanaticism.
I never had used my gadgets to proper or maximal use as i was constantly worried about battery dying on me. I realised in due course that any portable gadgets achilees heel will be its battery. So my gadget buying decisions are always oriented to battery life than absolute best performance. I have reduced my GAS (GEAR ACQUISITION SYNDROME) after i used a hell lot of GAS
Anyways the processor is more than adequate in everyday tasks and portability in mind. This is no surface book...
OS:
I had this TAblet since almost 5 months but why am i reviewing it now?
Ok, it came with Windows 8 Professional and immediately i upgraded it to Windows 10. I was a part of the INSIDER PROGRAM and used to keep my tablet in the Fast or slow ring depending on my wifi speeds
I used to use all desktop apps and many apps from the Windows Store, but something within me was always itching to ditch windows and go for some OS with more apps even though am not a avid user of any specific apps but that feeling of extremely few apps when you are browsing the store used to irritate me.
I then looked into Bluestacks player....... Bull **** on this processor cpu/gpu with stutters as its demanding app and runs within windows
Then came AMIDUOS much better than Bluestacks for this processor and usable for all apps but fluidity was missing and games were still a no go
Tried few times to get Android X86 to work but the enterprise security that comes with this tablet didnt like the install and i couldnt go ahead in selecting the usb drive
Then similar situation with Remix OS 2.0 failed
So days just passed by and then i saw Remix OS 3.0 marshmallow variant being introduced and reluctantly i downloaded it. The file now comes with its own installer, i double clicked it and accepted next and voila, bootloader got installed and a single restart took me to OS selection screen..... WOWWWWW
Remix os on tablets simply rocks and the Android OS simply flies on this hardware with 8GB ram and processor
all games open instantly and its just like native android OS here, everything just works except wacom pen digitizer in android environment(i can live with that )
there are some cons to this tablet cum pc too will list them some other time for now sayonara.......
Sounds very interesting. Was the installation straightforward?
i just try remix os on hp elite x2.it works well so far
Hi there,
i've the pace watch but sometimes have bad readings on running mode. It cuts 1K in 5K wich it's to much. Already tried everything but the dam problem persists.
I might updtate for the stratos or verge but whould like your oppinons wich one it's better for sports. When i mean better i want to say the best sensors for sports.
If it was you to want keep the best tracking on your running progresse wich one whould you choose?
Regards
stratos
I would say stratos because to be capable of actually seeing the screen at sunlight its the biggest pro, but i see always a lot of people with problems about it: functions buttons or the back hr glass falling.
Pace would be perfect if water resistant and vo2 calculation.
iscao said:
Hi there,
i've the pace watch but sometimes have bad readings on running mode. It cuts 1K in 5K wich it's to much. Already tried everything but the dam problem persists.
I might updtate for the stratos or verge but whould like your oppinons wich one it's better for sports. When i mean better i want to say the best sensors for sports.
If it was you to want keep the best tracking on your running progresse wich one whould you choose?
Regards
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Well i bought Verge. I read about Stratos (included + version), but Verge i liked much more. First at all Stratos have bigger price. Difference is almost 100 euro, but differences in specifications almost there is no. So why to spend almost 100 euro more for: possibility to swim with watch, oxygen tracking and if for you is important, Stratos is premium class watch. Yes, i agree Stratos looks great, but that cost for you much more. Stratos have better water protection and one of sport mode is swimming. Coz i don't like to swim, i don't care this protection so much, even when Verge have not bad water protection too (IP68). And as i mentioned Stratos have VO2max, that's mean that you can track maximum rate of oxygen consumption measured during incremental exercise. Why price is bigger i don't know. But that was one of reason why i bought Verge. Second reason was microphone/soundspeaker. I had before smart band with possibility to call/answer a call over band, so that was important to me. Sometime is useful - believe me. Of course to talk in public maybe is not smarter idea, but when yours hands is busy (for example you playing games, working at home and ect) it's really good helper. Also Verge is newest, that was reason too why i choice Verge. Why so important? Most newest devices have better, great features. Verge is not exception. I don't know very well have Stratos voice assistant or not, coz i saw in specifications only about it, but in it wasn't posted possibility to talk over it, so i guest Stratos havn't voice assistant. Voice asistant had my previous wearable device, it's cool thing sometime to joke, make funnies things and ect. I did not used a lot, but i wanted to have it again. As i mentioned sometime when yours hands is busy to talk with yours watch (for example weather information, to call somebody and ect.) is great idea, of course only not in public
Stratos as i mentioned saw in paper only, in shop i saw how it look, but that's all, i went then to buy Verge, so more about Stratos in reality i did not checked. In paper is written what Verge have better: display (OLED), when Stratos have only LCD. So in sunlight to see display will be better in OLED display as in LCD. Verge have voice assitant, as i mentioned, but at this moment this feature is availbale only in US and China markets. But i hope soon will be availabel in Europe too included all rest world. Verge have NFC for payment, but as i know it working only in China right now (payments in shops, public transport and ect.), but as i know Huami/Amazfit working on this right now and must be available in others market too soon, probably again maybe first will be in US, later i hope in all rest wold. Stratos as i know that not have. Resolution of Verge is better too, Stratos have only 320x300 px and a little bit bigger screen, when Verge have 360x360. Stratos have 1.34, Verge 1.3 screen. Water protection of Stratos is 5 ATM, Verge as i mentioned have IP68. What a differences? With 5 ATM you can swim to 50 meters water depth, when with Verge you can be sure protection from rain and something like this. But usually IP68 means 30 meters water depth too, so if you drop watch to similar water pool and quickly throw it, i think will not big problem. One guy russian in youtube i saw swam with Verge too, just he siad is important to do not push HOME key over water. Watch after swim worked in video fine. By the way it's not recommend by Amazfit/Huami with Verge. So all responsibility is yours if you ever will buy Verge and will be test like this guy. What else? Battery, processors, memory and ect.? If say honest these both models is good, Verge and Stratos by specifications is very similar, most differences i posted, you can check more in https://us.amazfit.com/shop/stratos?variant=373265 and here https://us.amazfit.com/shop/verge?variant=451600. All others is almost the same. By the way, coz i have Verge, i can say more. One minus is that Verge is plastic, but is not cheap plastic. But i have to say that band is very bracelet lubricate. I have this watch from 2019 February and already is some spots which impossible to clean. But keep in mind band is changeable, so it's not very big problem. You can buy new band and change it in any moment. You asked about sports? Well Verge have 12 sport modes (Stratos is written 12+, maybe it's mean more), but most modes is the same from: running to soccer or tennis, so i recommend to buy Verge if price for you is important, you like to talk over watch, voice assistant and ect. By the way with both models you can sport and listen music without phone, so as i mentioned both models is good, but Verge have much more features, price is lower and looks greta too. Like real sport watch Both models have Reddot and IF awards if this important too for you
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Well i bought Verge. I read about Stratos (included + version), but Verge i liked much more. First at all Stratos have bigger price. Difference is almost 100 euro, but differences in specifications almost there is no. So why to spend almost 100 euro more for: possibility to swim with watch, oxygen tracking and if for you is important, Stratos is premium class watch. Yes, i agree Stratos looks great, but that cost for you much more. Stratos have better water protection and one of sport mode is swimming. Coz i don't like to swim, i don't care this protection so much, even when Verge have not bad water protection too (IP68). And as i mentioned Stratos have VO2max, that's mean that you can track maximum rate of oxygen consumption measured during incremental exercise. Why price is bigger i don't know. But that was one of reason why i bought Verge. Second reason was microphone/soundspeaker. I had before smart band with possibility to call/answer a call over band, so that was important to me. Sometime is useful - believe me. Of course to talk in public maybe is not smarter idea, but when yours hands is busy (for example you playing games, working at home and ect) it's really good helper. Also Verge is newest, that was reason too why i choice Verge. Why so important? Most newest devices have better, great features. Verge is not exception. I don't know very well have Stratos voice assistant or not, coz i saw in specifications only about it, but in it wasn't posted possibility to talk over it, so i guest Stratos havn't voice assistant. Voice asistant had my previous wearable device, it's cool thing sometime to joke, make funnies things and ect. I did not used a lot, but i wanted to have it again. As i mentioned sometime when yours hands is busy to talk with yours watch (for example weather information, to call somebody and ect.) is great idea, of course only not in public
Stratos as i mentioned saw in paper only, in shop i saw how it look, but that's all, i went then to buy Verge, so more about Stratos in reality i did not checked. In paper is written what Verge have better: display (OLED), when Stratos have only LCD. So in sunlight to see display will be better in OLED display as in LCD. Verge have voice assitant, as i mentioned, but at this moment this feature is availbale only in US and China markets. But i hope soon will be availabel in Europe too included all rest world. Verge have NFC for payment, but as i know it working only in China right now (payments in shops, public transport and ect.), but as i know Huami/Amazfit working on this right now and must be available in others market too soon, probably again maybe first will be in US, later i hope in all rest wold. Stratos as i know that not have. Resolution of Verge is better too, Stratos have only 320x300 px and a little bit bigger screen, when Verge have 360x360. Stratos have 1.34, Verge 1.3 screen. Water protection of Stratos is 5 ATM, Verge as i mentioned have IP68. What a differences? With 5 ATM you can swim to 50 meters water depth, when with Verge you can be sure protection from rain and something like this. But usually IP68 means 30 meters water depth too, so if you drop watch to similar water pool and quickly throw it, i think will not big problem. One guy russian in youtube i saw swam with Verge too, just he siad is important to do not push HOME key over water. Watch after swim worked in video fine. By the way it's not recommend by Amazfit/Huami with Verge. So all responsibility is yours if you ever will buy Verge and will be test like this guy. What else? Battery, processors, memory and ect.? If say honest these both models is good, Verge and Stratos by specifications is very similar, most differences i posted, you can check more in https://us.amazfit.com/shop/stratos?variant=373265 and here https://us.amazfit.com/shop/verge?variant=451600. All others is almost the same. By the way, coz i have Verge, i can say more. One minus is that Verge is plastic, but is not cheap plastic. But i have to say that band is very bracelet lubricate. I have this watch from 2019 February and already is some spots which impossible to clean. But keep in mind band is changeable, so it's not very big problem. You can buy new band and change it in any moment. You asked about sports? Well Verge have 12 sport modes (Stratos is written 12+, maybe it's mean more), but most modes is the same from: running to soccer or tennis, so i recommend to buy Verge if price for you is important, you like to talk over watch, voice assistant and ect. By the way with both models you can sport and listen music without phone, so as i mentioned both models is good, but Verge have much more features, price is lower and looks greta too. Like real sport watch Both models have Reddot and IF awards if this important too for you
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I just want to correct you if i got it right. Stratos has LCD but it is transreflective so it is better for direct sunlight than the Amoled display of the Verge. The more the light the more visible display you get with transreflective LCD.
Other than that great post with a lot of info
PsychoTribe said:
I just want to correct you if i got it right. Stratos has LCD but it is transreflective so it is better for direct sunlight than the Amoled display of the Verge. The more the light the more visible display you get with transreflective LCD.
Other than that great post with a lot of info
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Well how i can see review about Samsung's smartphones with Super AMOLED, most siad there is no problem to see in sunlight smartphone screen, but probably i forgot that Super AMOLED and AMOLED is two different display. Samsung's Super AMOLED technology addresses this issue by reducing the size of gaps between layers of the screen. So sorry for my mistake, a little bit i forgot that Verge got just AMOLED, there is no word "super" here. So yes you are right, AMOLED displays may be difficult to view in direct sunlight compared with LCDs because of their reduced maximum brightness, but AMOLED anyways is better display as LCD, much more brightness, colours are very beautiful and ect. There is no just middle in life, all good things have minus, like minus have plus too. There is no in life PERFECT things, yet As i mentioned Verge is better watch in most things, display still is one of best thing in this watch. Sunlight? Well i will say honest, when i using watch face with mechanic/analog clock is a little bit hard to see time rarly, but when i using digital clock watch face, there is no any problem at all. And if will be honest to the end it was just one time from February. Most time i don't have this problem at all. So yes i still recommend to buy Verge, this watch is just amazing for low price. Stratos? It's almost the same watch with bigger price, just mentioned some things is different, but Verge have much more features and ect
For me, as i said before, be able to look at the watch at sunlight and see it without any problem is a key feature, transrreflective creen, maybe uglier but more usefull for a sport watch
Csmrcc said:
For me, as i said before, be able to look at the watch at sunlight and see it without any problem is a key feature, transrreflective creen, maybe uglier but more usefull for a sport watch
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Spend almost 100 euros just for that i don't think it's smart idea As i mentioned Verge is better and this is not my one opinion By the way Verge is not bad choice for sunlight too, i everything wrote, but again 100 more just for better see in sunlight, when Verge have much more and better display??? Really?
LCD better for sport? Can you proof that by some test and ect? Or this is just yours opinion? Coz i did not found any test about better display for sport, can you post link? Not opinion?
You distort the facts and present them as a serious argument, proven scientifically. It's just your opinion, as I have it. But I also write that it is my opinion, be good not to distort the facts, because it is misleading to the person who is obviously unclear what model to buy, you have to choose bags with distortions.
xdauser2019 said:
Spend almost 100 euros just for that i don't think it's smart idea As i mentioned Verge is better and this is not my one opinion By the way Verge is not bad choice for sunlight too, i everything wrote, but again 100 more just for better see in sunlight, when Verge have much more and better display??? Really?
LCD better for sport? Can you proof that by some test and ect? Or this is just yours opinion? Coz i did not found any test about better display for sport, can you post link? Not opinion?
You distort the facts and present them as a serious argument, proven scientifically. It's just your opinion, as I have it. But I also write that it is my opinion, be good not to distort the facts, because it is misleading to the person who is obviously unclear what model to buy, you have to choose bags with distortions.
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As i and the others point out and is a key to that is the "transflective" LCD check out the internet how it functions. It is type of lcd display that uses reflected ambient light to let you see the image on the display, same as the older digital monochrome display of the watches but with added colors. The stronger the light the better the visibility of the display. That is the reason most of the users consider it better for sport activity as most are done outside. And yes it can be better than amoled or super amoled. Top brands making fitness oriented smart watches as Garmin and Suunto even on the high end price tags use this type of screens. Also this is more energy efficient type of display and letting the manufacturer to make more long lasting battery life or enable the watch to use the energy for other features and keep the battery life to the 3-5 day mark.
Edit: By better than Amoled i mean readability, not colors and contrast. The readability is very important for someone that want to track his activity in the process.
xdauser2019 said:
Spend almost 100 euros just for that i don't think it's smart idea As i mentioned Verge is better and this is not my one opinion By the way Verge is not bad choice for sunlight too, i everything wrote, but again 100 more just for better see in sunlight, when Verge have much more and better display??? Really?
LCD better for sport? Can you proof that by some test and ect? Or this is just yours opinion? Coz i did not found any test about better display for sport, can you post link? Not opinion?
You distort the facts and present them as a serious argument, proven scientifically. It's just your opinion, as I have it. But I also write that it is my opinion, be good not to distort the facts, because it is misleading to the person who is obviously unclear what model to buy, you have to choose bags with distortions.
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Well, i´m not gonna argue here, we dont have that need.
That the transreflective screen is better for outdoor sports its not my opinion, you really have to see it, its just a fact that is more readable than any other kind of scrren at sunlight, i had other lcd smartwatches its not a fanboy opinion. And for me this is the key for a sportwatch.
Also, i have a pace, i think it is better on a price/features relation considering i dont swim with it. So no, i dont spend 100 euros more for anything (stratos).
Like +/- 100 € for a pace smartwatch with gps, good screen at sunlight, good materials, wifi and bluetooth, musicplayer, etc its the best deal i think, unless you swim with it. But this is my opinion yes.
PsychoTribe said:
As i and the others point out and is a key to that is the "transflective" LCD check out the internet how it functions. It is type of lcd display that uses reflected ambient light to let you see the image on the display, same as the older digital monochrome display of the watches but with added colors. The stronger the light the better the visibility of the display. That is the reason most of the users consider it better for sport activity as most are done outside. And yes it can be better than amoled or super amoled. Top brands making fitness oriented smart watches as Garmin and Suunto even on the high end price tags use this type of screens. Also this is more energy efficient type of display and letting the manufacturer to make more long lasting battery life or enable the watch to use the energy for other features and keep the battery life to the 3-5 day mark.
Edit: By better than Amoled i mean readability, not colors and contrast. The readability is very important for someone that want to track his activity in the process.
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Suunto 5 White - https://www.suunto.com/Products/sports-watches/suunto-5/suunto-5-white/ LED Display
Suunto 9 Baro - https://www.suunto.com/Products/sports-watches/suunto-9-baro/suunto-9-baro-titanium/ LED Display
Suunto 9 White - https://www.suunto.com/Products/sports-watches/suunto-9/suunto-9-white/ LED Display
Suunto 3 Fitness - https://www.suunto.com/Products/sports-watches/suunto-3-fitness/suunto-3-fitness-copper/ LED Display
Suunto 9 Bravo Titanum - https://www.suunto.com/Products/spo...aro-titanium-red-bull-x-alps-limited-edition/ LED Display
Suunto Spartan Sport - https://www.suunto.com/Products/spo...aro/suunto-spartan-sport-wrist-hr-baro-amber/ LED Display
Suunto Spartan Trainer - https://www.suunto.com/Products/spo...ist-hr/suunto-spartan-trainer-wrist-hr-steel/ LED Display
Suunto Spartan Sport - https://www.suunto.com/Products/spo...t-hr/Suunto-Spartan-Sport-Wrist-HR-All-Black/ LED Display
... and others models.
What's the different? Answer https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/led-vs-lcd-tvs/
How about others?
Huawei - https://consumer.huawei.com/en/wearables/ 5 AMOLED, others OLED or PMOLED
Apple - https://www.apple.com/lae/watch/compare/ OLED Retina
Samsung Galaxy Watch 4G - https://www.samsung.com/uk/wearables/galaxy-watch/ Super AMOLED
Samsung Gear Sport - https://www.samsung.com/uk/wearables/gear-sport-r600/SM-R600NZBABTU/ Super AMOLED
Samsung Fit2 PRO - https://www.samsung.com/uk/wearables/gear-fit2-pro-r365/SM-R365NZKABTU/ Curved Super AMOLED
Sony Watch 3 - https://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/smart-products/smartwatch-3-swr50/specifications/#tabs (there is no newest model, just this old) LCD
Garmin Forerunner 945 - https://buy.garmin.com/en-IE/GB/p/621922#specs Transflective MIP Display
Garmin Marq Collection - https://buy.garmin.com/en-IE/GB/p/608665#specs Transflective MIP Display
Garmin D2 Delta S - https://buy.garmin.com/en-IE/GB/p/633685#specs Transflective MIP Display
... and ect.
As you can see most biggest "players" using AMOLED display, some of them Transflective (but not simple LCD) display and ect. So which display is better Stratos or Verge?
About battery, Stratos and Verge can be without charge with general settings 5 days
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Csmrcc said:
Well, i´m not gonna argue here, we dont have that need.
That the transreflective screen is better for outdoor sports its not my opinion, you really have to see it, its just a fact that is more readable than any other kind of scrren at sunlight, i had other lcd smartwatches its not a fanboy opinion. And for me this is the key for a sportwatch.
Also, i have a pace, i think it is better on a price/features relation considering i dont swim with it. So no, i dont spend 100 euros more for anything (stratos).
Like +/- 100 € for a pace smartwatch with gps, good screen at sunlight, good materials, wifi and bluetooth, musicplayer, etc its the best deal i think, unless you swim with it. But this is my opinion yes.
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I stopped read your post after text:"...than any other kind of scrren at sunlight..." - i agree that maybe AMOLED is not the best display, but as you can see most expensive smart watches have only this display, some of them have own, super display, yes i mean Garmin. I disagree with yours argument that this display is better for sport, proof it. How did you teste and ect. This is yours opinion, coz display don't effect in yours sport result at all. Yes i agree someone loves LCD, someone LED, which almost the same, but have dome differences, someone AMOLED, but there is no any test which proof it effect to sport of display quality. You writing stupid things, sorry. You trying to say that display is better to see screen in sunlight, but writing about things like effect to sport. How can display effect my sport result???
As i wrote Verge is better smartwatch as Startos with better displkay. You compare old LCD with updated LED or Transflective MIP Display, which is different as LCD. It's the same that to say that Super AMOLED is the same as AMOLED
FINALLY detailed compare:
https://www.dansgadgets.com/amazfit-verge-vs-amazfit-stratos-ultimate-comparison/#specs As you can see both models have plus and minus (looks like Verge is premium class too, i was wrong if this information is correct, coz somewhere i read that verge is not flagship, oh well...)
P.S. Keep in mind compare is not 100% correct, coz both models can be without charger the same time with general settings. Verge have "always on display" mode.
xdauser2019 said:
Suunto 5 White - https://www.suunto.com/Products/sports-watches/suunto-5/suunto-5-white/ LED Display
Suunto 9 Baro - https://www.suunto.com/Products/sports-watches/suunto-9-baro/suunto-9-baro-titanium/ LED Display
Suunto 9 White - https://www.suunto.com/Products/sports-watches/suunto-9/suunto-9-white/ LED Display
Suunto 3 Fitness - https://www.suunto.com/Products/sports-watches/suunto-3-fitness/suunto-3-fitness-copper/ LED Display
Suunto 9 Bravo Titanum - https://www.suunto.com/Products/spo...aro-titanium-red-bull-x-alps-limited-edition/ LED Display
Suunto Spartan Sport - https://www.suunto.com/Products/spo...aro/suunto-spartan-sport-wrist-hr-baro-amber/ LED Display
Suunto Spartan Trainer - https://www.suunto.com/Products/spo...ist-hr/suunto-spartan-trainer-wrist-hr-steel/ LED Display
Suunto Spartan Sport - https://www.suunto.com/Products/spo...t-hr/Suunto-Spartan-Sport-Wrist-HR-All-Black/ LED Display
... and others models.
What's the different? Answer https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/led-vs-lcd-tvs/
How about others?
Huawei - https://consumer.huawei.com/en/wearables/ 5 AMOLED, others OLED or PMOLED
Apple - https://www.apple.com/lae/watch/compare/ OLED Retina
Samsung Galaxy Watch 4G - https://www.samsung.com/uk/wearables/galaxy-watch/ Super AMOLED
Samsung Gear Sport - https://www.samsung.com/uk/wearables/gear-sport-r600/SM-R600NZBABTU/ Super AMOLED
Samsung Fit2 PRO - https://www.samsung.com/uk/wearables/gear-fit2-pro-r365/SM-R365NZKABTU/ Curved Super AMOLED
Sony Watch 3 - https://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/smart-products/smartwatch-3-swr50/specifications/#tabs (there is no newest model, just this old) LCD
Garmin Forerunner 945 - https://buy.garmin.com/en-IE/GB/p/621922#specs Transflective MIP Display
Garmin Marq Collection - https://buy.garmin.com/en-IE/GB/p/608665#specs Transflective MIP Display
Garmin D2 Delta S - https://buy.garmin.com/en-IE/GB/p/633685#specs Transflective MIP Display
... and ect.
As you can see most biggest "players" using AMOLED display, some of them Transflective (but not simple LCD) display and ect. So which display is better Stratos or Verge?
About battery, Stratos and Verge can be without charge with general settings 5 days
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I stopped read your post after text:"...than any other kind of scrren at sunlight..." - i agree that maybe AMOLED is not the best display, but as you can see most expensive smart watches have only this display, some of them have own, super display, yes i mean Garmin. I disagree with yours argument that this display is better for sport, proof it. How did you teste and ect. This is yours opinion, coz display don't effect in yours sport result at all. Yes i agree someone loves LCD, someone LED, which almost the same, but have dome differences, someone AMOLED, but there is no any test which proof it effect to sport of display quality. You writing stupid things, sorry. You trying to say that display is better to see screen in sunlight, but writing about things like effect to sport. How can display effect my sport result???
As i wrote Verge is better smartwatch as Startos with better displkay. You compare old LCD with updated LED or Transflective MIP Display, which is different as LCD. It's the same that to say that Super AMOLED is the same as AMOLED
FINALLY detailed compare:
https://www.dansgadgets.com/amazfit-verge-vs-amazfit-stratos-ultimate-comparison/#specs As you can see both models have plus and minus (looks like Verge is premium class too, i was wrong if this information is correct, coz somewhere i read that verge is not flagship, oh well...)
P.S. Keep in mind compare is not 100% correct, coz both models can be without charger the same time with general settings. Verge have "always on display" mode.
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All the suuntos you pointed out use transflective lcd displays with LED backlight as the Stratos. This doesn't make the display LED.
And no one said the that it effect the results. I said that it effects the visibility of the results on the go when using it outside.
I own Verge and i know the benefits of the amoled display. The opinion about the transflective displays been better for outdoor activity is not only mine it is the opinion on the majority of people using these devices for sport.
But this is causa perduta. I am not gonna continue this.
I've had Stratos (The HR pane has been removed) and now I have Verge - during the day and during training Stratos is much better, especially the display in the sun. Verge is a plastic toy with an amoled display just for fun. Stratos is unfortunately much more flawed. In my opinion of course
I'am a woman and I have a slim hand, but Stratos was better suited to my hand. Stratos has broken down and that's why I exchanged for Verge, but I'm not happy with this exchange.
marglcia said:
I'am a woman and I have a slim hand, but Stratos was better suited to my hand. Stratos has broken down and that's why I exchanged for Verge, but I'm not happy with this exchange.
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Band/bracelet is possible to change as i know in all or most Amazfit watches. You could buy Stratos again, why you bought Verge? Ok, i guest for you was interesting what is a model is Verge. You did not liked it, but you can sell it on eBay and ect. now, and to buy Stratos, why don't you doing like this?
xdauser2019 said:
Band/bracelet is possible to change as i know in all or most Amazfit watches. You could buy Stratos again, why you bought Verge? Ok, i guest for you was interesting what is a model is Verge. You did not liked it, but you can sell it on eBay and ect. now, and to buy Stratos, why don't you doing like this?
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Because I'am waiting for a new stratos release or I will buy a garmin - I do not know what I will do yet....
marglcia said:
Because I'am waiting for a new stratos release or I will buy a garmin - I do not know what I will do yet....
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As i know Verge lite released in China https://cn.amazfit.com/verge-lite.html and Bip lite https://cn.amazfit.com/bip-lite.html. I'm not sure Stratos is in the plan right now. But i hope i'm wrong Anyway good luck to get wishful device
UPDATED: Just some minutes ago i found this article about Verge 2 - https://www.techradar.com/news/amazfit-verge-2-is-coming-soon-and-will-work-without-your-smartphone, as i mentioned Verge is very good smartwatch and better as Stratos, so probably that's why is plans to release Verge 2
xdauser2019 said:
As i know Verge lite released in China https://cn.amazfit.com/verge-lite.html and Bip lite https://cn.amazfit.com/bip-lite.html. I'm not sure Stratos is in the plan right now. But i hope i'm wrong Anyway good luck to get wishful device
UPDATED: Just some minutes ago i found this article about Verge 2 - https://www.techradar.com/news/amazfit-verge-2-is-coming-soon-and-will-work-without-your-smartphone, as i mentioned Verge is very good smartwatch and better as Stratos, so probably that's why is plans to release Verge 2
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I will repeat it again: I've had Stratos and now I have Verge and I know that Stratos is much better, according to my opinion. The fact that at the moment there is a new Verge2 does not mean that there will be no new Stratos edition. It's nice that you like your Verge so much but that does not mean that others have to like him too, because they have to.
Because I do not base my feelings on data from the specifications but on what suits my hand better (I'm not talking about the watch strap), because there is wonderful visibility in the sun without waking up the watch because I can swim with Stratos and because it is nicer for me and Verge it's a plastic toy for me. And that's all according to my opinion and not the specification being read.
Thanks you all for your contribution
It simple my mind.
I order the verge at the end, more recent with funccions i would use more than stratos
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iscao said:
Thanks you all for your contribution
It simple my mind.
I order the verge at the end, more recent with funccions i would use more than stratos
Regards
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Good choice. Congratulation. I hope you will like it very much as i do. It's really good smart watch
Hello, my fellow members:
Like many of you out there, I am in grief
Only a few months ago I purchased the Sony Xperia 1 Mark III and started enjoying it. But that joy did not last long... Sony announced Sony Xperia Pro-I... Now my $1300 top-of-the-line phone is no longer top-of-the-line and it now costs barely $997. Like many of you out there, I am asking myself: should I have waited? Well, if Sony Xperia Pro-i is indeed a game-changer then, yes, I shouldn't rush in buying the Mark III and wait for the next model, but is it? Whell, that's why I am starting this thread to hear your opinions!
I did not put my hands on the Pro-I yet but from its specs listed on gsmarena (see below) they are basically identical with the only difference being the lens and the chip - that is being advertised as a "1" chip".
I am a sony fan, no doubt, as 95% of all electronics I owned or owe are Sony. But when it comes to cameras, I noticed that Sony is very cheap in giving us better chips...They changed their cameras, they upgraded them but inside you would find the same, old, Sony chip. And now I am surprised to see that Sony is pushing it into the cellphone platforms....hmmm, why? Are they ready to make a move and change the chip on the cameras, therefore, they decided to make a little bit of profit still from their old one? Who knows?
Anyway, going back to the Xperia Pro-i, is it a game-changer? Tough question, right? Well, as I said before I own the Xperia 1 Mark III and one of its biggest drawbacks is the battery. Although Sony claims is a 4500mA battery, it does not behave like one - it keeps me running for the day but that's it - at night, I have to charge it.
So, if the Xperia Pro-I has the same battery (as per gsmarena), then how does that battery will power that big 1" chip??? In my opinion: it can not! If Sony would put that big *ss chip in the middle of the phone to work in conjunction with that super-duper, power-hungry display and all other gps , satellite antenas and that octa-core processor and speakers with subwoofer and vibrations and under an android command with many power-consuming applications, then that phone would not last half a day per charge. Therefore, I think that Sony must have cropped that chip but kept the dot pitch and, hopefully, put a better battery with a real 4500mA juice. Therefore, 1" chip might not be a real 1" chip, but still bigger than the one in Mark III.
These are my thoughts, so far. Please share yours! To the lucky future owners of such phones: please be kind and post your opinion. Thank you!
PRO-I MARK III
NETWORKTechnologyGSM / HSPA / LTE / 5GGSM / HSPA / LTE / 5G
LAUNCHAnnounced2021, October 262021, April 14StatusAvailable. Released 2021, December 02Available. Released 2021, August 25
BODYDimensions166 x 72 x 8.9 mm (6.54 x 2.83 x 0.35 in)165 x 71 x 8.2 mm (6.50 x 2.80 x 0.32 in)Weight211 g (7.44 oz)186 g / 187.1 g (mmWave) (6.56 oz)BuildGlass front (Gorilla Glass Victus), glass back (Gorilla Glass 6), aluminum frameGlass front (Gorilla Glass Victus), glass back (Gorilla Glass 6), aluminum frameSIMHybrid Dual SIM (Nano-SIM, dual stand-by)Hybrid Dual SIM (Nano-SIM, dual stand-by) IP65/IP68 dust/water resistant (up to 1.5m for 30 mins)
Built-in strap-holeIP65/IP68 dust/water resistant (up to 1.5m for 30 mins)
DISPLAYTypeOLED, 1B colors, 120Hz, HDR BT.2020OLED, 1B colors, 120Hz, HDR BT.2020Size6.5 inches, 98.6 cm2 (~82.5% screen-to-body ratio)6.5 inches, 98.6 cm2 (~84.2% screen-to-body ratio)Resolution1644 x 3840 pixels, 21:9 ratio (~643 ppi density)1644 x 3840 pixels, 21:9 ratio (~643 ppi density)ProtectionCorning Gorilla Glass VictusCorning Gorilla Glass Victus Runs at 1096 x 2560 pixels except for select use casesRuns at 1096 x 2560 pixels except for select use cases
PLATFORMOSAndroid 11Android 11ChipsetQualcomm SM8350 Snapdragon 888 5G (5 nm)Qualcomm SM8350 Snapdragon 888 5G (5 nm)CPUOcta-core (1x2.84 GHz Kryo 680 & 3x2.42 GHz Kryo 680 & 4x1.80 GHz Kryo 680)Octa-core (1x2.84 GHz Kryo 680 & 3x2.42 GHz Kryo 680 & 4x1.80 GHz Kryo 680)GPUAdreno 660Adreno 660
MEMORYCard slotmicroSDXC (uses shared SIM slot)microSDXC (uses shared SIM slot)Internal512GB 12GB RAM256GB 12GB RAM, 512GB 12GB RAM UFS 3.XUFS 3.X
MAIN CAMERAModules12 MP, f/2.0-4.0, 24mm (wide), 1.0-type, 2.4µm, PDAF, OIS (315 PDAF points, 90% frame coverage)
12 MP, f/2.4, 50mm (telephoto), 1/2.9", PDAF, 2x optical zoom, OIS
12 MP, f/2.2, 124˚, 16mm (ultrawide), 1/2.55", Dual Pixel PDAF
0.3 MP, TOF 3D, (depth)12 MP, f/1.7, 24mm (wide), 1/1.7", 1.8µm, Dual Pixel PDAF, OIS
12 MP, f/2.3, 70mm (telephoto), f/2.8, 105mm (telephoto), 1/2.9", Dual Pixel PDAF, 3x/4.4x optical zoom, OIS
12 MP, f/2.2, 124˚, 16mm (ultrawide), 1/2.6", Dual Pixel PDAF
0.3 MP, TOF 3D, (depth)FeaturesZeiss optics, Zeiss T* lens coating, LED flash, panorama, 12-bit RAW, HDR, eye trackingZeiss optics, Zeiss T* lens coating, LED flash, panorama, HDR, eye trackingVideo[email protected]/25/30/60/120fps HDR, [email protected]/60/120/240fps; 5-axis gyro-EIS, OIS[email protected]/25/30/60/120fps HDR, [email protected]/60/120/240fps; 5-axis gyro-EIS, OIS
SELFIE CAMERAModules8 MP, f/2.0, 24mm (wide), 1/4", 1.12µm8 MP, f/2.0, 24mm (wide), 1/4", 1.12µmFeaturesHDRHDRVideo[email protected], 5-axis gyro-EIS[email protected], 5-axis gyro-EIS
SOUNDLoudspeakerYes, with stereo speakersYes, with stereo speakers3.5mm jackYesYes 24-bit/192kHz audio
Dynamic vibration system24-bit/192kHz audio
Dynamic vibration system
COMMSWLANWi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac/6, dual-band, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA, hotspotWi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac/6, dual-band, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA, hotspotBluetooth5.2, A2DP, aptX HD, LE5.2, A2DP, LE, aptX HDGPSYes, with dual-band A-GPS, GLONASS, BDS, GALILEO, QZSSYes, with dual-band A-GPS, GLONASS, BDS, GALILEO, QZSSNFCYesYesInfrared portNoNoRadioNoNoUSBUSB Type-C 3.2; USB On-The-Go, DisplayPortUSB Type-C 3.1; USB On-The-Go, video output
FEATURESSensorsFingerprint (side-mounted), accelerometer, gyro, proximity, barometer, compass, color spectrumFingerprint (side-mounted), accelerometer, gyro, proximity, barometer, compass, color spectrum Native Sony Alpha camera supportNative Sony Alpha camera support
BATTERYTypeLi-Po 4500 mAh, non-removableLi-Po 4500 mAh, non-removableChargingFast charging 30W, 50% in 30 min (advertised)
USB Power DeliveryFast charging 30W, 50% in 30 min (advertised)
Fast wireless charging
Reverse wireless charging
USB Power DeliveryStand-byTalk time
MISCColorsFrosted BlackFrosted Black, Frosted Gray, Frosted PurpleModelsXQ-BE62, XQBE62-B, XQ-BE62-B, XQ-BE62/B, XQ-BE42, XQ-BE42-B, XQ-BE42/BXQBC62/V, XQBC52V.UKCX, SO-51B, SOG03, A101SO, XQ-BC62, XQ-BC72, XQ-BC52, XQ-BC01, XQ-BC11, XQ-BC21, XQ-BC72Price$ 1,798.00 / C$ 2,853.82 / £ 1,599.00 / € 1,799.00$ 997.00 / C$ 1,370.00 / £ 1,083.79 / € 1,249.99
TESTSPerformanceAnTuTu: 725839 (v9)
GeekBench: 3540 (v5.1)
GFXBench: 51fps (ES 3.1 onscreen)AnTuTu: 607423 (v8)
GeekBench: 3515 (v5.1)
GFXBench: 54fps (ES 3.1 onscreen)DisplayContrast ratio: Infinite (nominal)CameraCompare PHOTO / Compare VIDEOLoudspeaker-28.6 LUFS (Average)-26.5 LUFS (Good)Battery life87h endurance rating82h endurance rating
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most people would better be off with x1 iii.
bought pro-i. not really excited. it's just a fancy toy
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most people would better be off with x1 iii.
bought pro-i. not really excited. it's just a fancy toy
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Do you call it a fancy toy because of the price? The Pro I sensor does not take better pictures? The pictures from the Pro I appear quite a bit brighter in auto mode, no?
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Do you call it a fancy toy because of the price? The Pro I sensor does not take better pictures? The pictures from the Pro I appear quite a bit brighter in auto mode, no?
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you see, if something looks like a phone, feels like a phone and works like a phone, it's a phone. Even if the marketing team says it's a camera with a phone attached to it.
A camera with a 1" sensor should be a camera that uses the surface of a 1" sensor, dammit, and not 2/3 of it. If Sony boasted 36mp sensor in their Alpha cameras where you could only use 24, a lot of people would be upset, but here it's advertised as a game-changer.
I bought the phone for a review. Now I'm waiting for the release of Android 12 to help my review stay up-to-date for longer. Xiaomi already has updated its flagships to A12, Samsung also has, but Sony hasn't yet rolled out an update to its most pricy flagship, which makes no sense since both Xiaomi and Samsung have hundreds of phones while Sony only has a few.
Anyway, Sony is the most balanced flagship imo, but its camera is only good for videos. It does do a much better job in that department, with its 10-bit rec.2020 video, it's unmatched. But you need straight hands to be able to use this stuff properly.
Either way, if one is a photographer, I recommend getting an APS-C camera in the likes of Fuji X-T## series. For videography, the Pro-i has an edge.
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you see, if something looks like a phone, feels like a phone and works like a phone, it's a phone. Even if the marketing team says it's a camera with a phone attached to it.
A camera with a 1" sensor should be a camera that uses the surface of a 1" sensor, dammit, and not 2/3 of it. If Sony boasted 36mp sensor in their Alpha cameras where you could only use 24, a lot of people would be upset, but here it's advertised as a game-changer.
I bought the phone for a review. Now I'm waiting for the release of Android 12 to help my review stay up-to-date for longer. Xiaomi already has updated its flagships to A12, Samsung also has, but Sony hasn't yet rolled out an update to its most pricy flagship, which makes no sense since both Xiaomi and Samsung have hundreds of phones while Sony only has a few.
Anyway, Sony is the most balanced flagship imo, but its camera is only good for videos. It does do a much better job in that department, with its 10-bit rec.2020 video, it's unmatched. But you need straight hands to be able to use this stuff properly.
Either way, if one is a photographer, I recommend getting an APS-C camera in the likes of Fuji X-T## series. For videography, the Pro-i has an edge.
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Now I get your comment. Thanks for the full explanation. Your suggestion of an APS cameras like the Fuji is a suggestion with which I agree and have suggested myself. I want to upgrade phones from the Xiaomi Note 10 Pro from 2019 I have now. The Xiaomi Note 10 Pro camera still gets rated above many new phone releases at 131 DXO points. Anyway.... choices for new phones have not justified a purchase to since 2019. From Sony I appreciate the micro card storage, 3.5 jack, the lanyard and the other phone features etc. Close to stock android is a big deal to me. I ran with Pixels for 6 or 7 years. Xperia's are freer from monetization than Sammy or Apple. And I have a history with Sony cameras: the Sony HX 9 travel camera and the Sony Mavica with the floppy drive.
Sony gets top dollar from consumers. But Sony the downsizing of a lot of their divisions and off- loading the TV's etc. I think they are challenged with support. Sony obviously isn't devoting a lot of organizational assets or manpower to their phone division. So the step-child doesn't get the robust support out to consumers with updates.
On top of all that, the Sony dealer where I live in Indonesia doesn't sell the phones (... I won't go into details on that) so I will have to go to Singapore and I have concerns about the service to an overly expensive phone. I really don't know what I would buy that gives me micro-card storage and a 3.5 inch jack for the classical music to which I listen.
I do disagree with you about the big sensor. So what if they only use part of the sensor? There is no way with the tech to take advantage of the whole sensor in today's slab phones. Anyway... mobile phones are a lot of fun to play with.... you are right, maybe all of them are just toys. Have fun amigo.
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I do disagree with you about the big sensor. So what if they only use part of the sensor? There is no way with the tech to take advantage of the whole sensor in today's slab phones. Anyway... mobile phones are a lot of fun to play with.... you are right, maybe all of them are just toys. Have fun amigo.
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Advertising the 1" but only letting users utilize 1/1.3" is a end-user deception. Still, 1/1.3" is big, it's nice, but it's far not the same as having a true 1" sensor. Also, relative aperture is pretty bad, f2.0 was already not impressive in 2017 - mi11 Ultra utilizes a bigger sensor and it's got a bigger relative aperture which resolves the sensor faster.
They should stop deceiving people and say the truth and explain it wisely - say, "We installed the same sensor as in the rx100m7, and cropped it so you could have 4k120 which the rx100m7 is not capable of! Also, the cropped area is the area that is almost entirely covered with phase detection AF points, so you'll only benefit from it in terms of AF speed!" But they don't. And lots of people feel they've been lied to - especially those who own the both devices and find out that Pro-i is limited to 12mp and it's not the same as the 20mp they got out of their RX100.
In the end, if one is into photography that much, they might consider a Xiaomi mi11 Ultra. In my opinion the Xiaomi gives the most camera hardware for money, and out of all the phones you see on the attached photo (i took it, it's not a stock photo), I am most impressed with the potential of mi11 Ultra. That's where you have the biggest relative aperture and a properly utilized huge sensor. At the same time, colors are not the best, Vivo x70pro+ gives colors that are more eye-pleasing if one prefers portraits. But one must not rush into buying Xiaomi if they ever take photos of moving objects due to catastrophic shutter lag. Only Xperias and iPhones, and AFAIK Google Pixels have minimal shutter lag, most other phones left me unsure whether I will always be able to capture rapidly vanishing moments. Xiaomi has the best detail and Vivo has the best color, but it won't matter if the smile is gone or the bike has left the viewfinder.
Pro-i has a very fast camera. Sadly you can't have both speed and high megapixel count on a phone.
In the other topic I uploaded a bunch of photos I took with Pro-I: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/reviews-are-in-on-the-xperia-pro-i.4371697/post-86298867
I saw that you already gave me kudos for that post. Thanks!
I'll wait now and see part of the round of 2022 devices. The Xiaomi I have has a nice camera. You are right, the shutter is slow. I really should stick to a phone like the Xiaomi's that you can get here in Indonesia. The Vivo is nice, but I find the colors oversaturated but the people I know with shoot in auto mode all the time.The Oppo Find X and a few other phones are interesting. The new Xiaomi ultra should be interesting. Still I don't like the operating systems on the Xiaomi. It is getting better, but I prefer a fairly pure android if I can get it.
Look, I am going to nit-pick here, but Sony never said it had a 1" sensor. It said it had a type 1.0 size sensor. Also they did not hide using 1/1.31 size area.
That aside, the real question is: is the Pro I a game changer? Yea and no: There are faster and larger sensors on phones. There are more powerful AI computational phones out there. However, if you don't want your grey rainy skies tinted blue, or yellowing grass made artificially green, then Xperia is the way to go. The Pro I is slightly thicker and noticeably heavier than the Xperia 1 III, which I like, but most will not. Also there is very limited zoom on the Pro I, and I find this a little limiting.
However, the main sensor is better. Better in colour, low light and detail. On phone screen you will not notice it. But on a 4k monitor or 10"x8" is is better. Not a huge difference, but it's there if you care.
This is the game changer: More interestingly is the RAW performance: if this guy is right, then most computational cameras ruin the raw output even if they have amazing jpg output. Here is the Vivo X70 Pro Plus against Xperia Pro I in raw
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Look, I am going to nit-pick here, but Sony never said it had a 1" sensor. It said it had a type 1.0 size sensor. Also they did not hide using 1/1.31 size area.
That aside, the real question is: is the Pro I a game changer? Yea and no: There are faster and larger sensors on phones. There are more powerful AI computational phones out there. However, if you don't want your grey rainy skies tinted blue, or yellowing grass made artificially green, then Xperia is the way to go. The Pro I is slightly thicker and noticeably heavier than the Xperia 1 III, which I like, but most will not. Also there is very limited zoom on the Pro I, and I find this a little limiting.
However, the main sensor is better. Better in colour, low light and detail. On phone screen you will not notice it. But on a 4k monitor or 10"x8" is is better. Not a huge difference, but it's there if you care.
This is the game changer: More interestingly is the RAW performance: if this guy is right, then most computational cameras ruin the raw output even if they have amazing jpg output. Here is the Vivo X70 Pro Plus against Xperia Pro I in raw
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You are right. I notice the difference in photos. You are correct, the sensor is better. I don't like the marketing stretch and over-exuberance. But, don't all the phone companies say they are the best? The size and thickness? Those commentators should get over themselves. Pro-i does computational photography. It is a digital product after all. The Sony look appears to be more natural to me and so I prefer it. Remember the days when photographers debated Kodachrome, Ektachrome, FujiFilm, etc. Each had it's own look. I want to remember the image I see with my eyes the way it was, not some computational blue blazing sky on a dreary day. And yes, there is a real difference in Sony vs. Sammy or Apple. SomeGadgetGuy (knows his stuff) and has said so once or more. Sony is offering a very comprehensive package (head phone jack, etc., etc.). One of these days Sony will hit it out of the park with a decent battery and a little bit of cooling for the damn chip sets. Let's hope Sony keeps up it's distinctive set of phones. The phones are quite apart from the fanboy and fangirl mass products. BTW, I do think Oppo, Xioami and Hauwei( and their sub-brands) are putting out some worthy packages. This should be a fun year for phones.
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You are right. I notice the difference in photos. You are correct, the sensor is better. I don't like the marketing stretch and over-exuberance. But, don't all the phone companies say they are the best? The size and thickness? Those commentators should get over themselves. Pro-i does computational photography. It is a digital product after all. The Sony look appears to be more natural to me and so I prefer it. Remember the days when photographers debated Kodachrome, Ektachrome, FujiFilm, etc. Each had it's own look. I want to remember the image I see with my eyes the way it was, not some computational blue blazing sky on a dreary day. And yes, there is a real difference in Sony vs. Sammy or Apple. SomeGadgetGuy (knows his stuff) and has said so once or more. Sony is offering a very comprehensive package (head phone jack, etc., etc.). One of these days Sony will hit it out of the park with a decent battery and a little bit of cooling for the damn chip sets. Let's hope Sony keeps up it's distinctive set of phones. The phones are quite apart from the fanboy and fangirl mass products. BTW, I do think Oppo, Xioami and Hauwei( and their sub-brands) are putting out some worthy packages. This should be a fun year for phones.
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Agreed on almost all points.
Size and thickness? That was me. Just comparing to the Xperia 1 III. I already have got over myself
Sure, all digital cameras are computational, but you appear to know what I am describing. The over emphasis of sharpening and saturation. The phone companies have gone overboard for me, and it appears you. Kodachrome or Fujifilm would be a nice optional filter, as opposed to Samsung defaults. Personally I find the Xperia a bit flat, and seems to be compared to the dedicated Sony cameras like RX100. But as a data, it gives you a great raw starting point with lightroom. If the YouTube link I gave is true, the other don't stand a chance if that. Lightroom's auto mode is better than iPhone ect.
Yes Vivo, Huawei and by association Honor are doing great things (Vivo you need to switch to Zeiss Natural Color first or it over saturates).
We are in agreement. I see in adverts that Sammy now claims the S22 Ultra has natural colors and a better raw. If the marketing claim is true for more natural and better RAW, then Sony moved the bar. Wouldn't it be great if Hasseblad has a real influence on the Oppo, or Zeiss hits the mark with their Sharp branded phone? It's a fun year for mobile phones. Best.
Take a look at these from the Sony Pro i I bought. Still learning and these are snaps mostly on my 2x's a day dog walks. The dog usually tolerates my camera time. I do need to play more with the video pro and cinema and see if I can unlock the potential. I also just started experimenting with the night time shots. A few shots are in basic. Mostly shot in the P, S, and Manual modes. https://photos.app.goo.gl/BM9Ratorvioy5XKS9
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Take a look at these from the Sony Pro i I bought. Still learning and these are snaps mostly on my 2x's a day dog walks. The dog usually tolerates my camera time. I do need to play more with the video pro and cinema and see if I can unlock the potential. I also just started experimenting with the night time shots. A few shots are in basic. Mostly shot in the P, S, and Manual modes. https://photos.app.goo.gl/BM9Ratorvioy5XKS9
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I have added more pics to the mix. https://photos.app.goo.gl/BM9Ratorvioy5XKS9 Getting better with the camera. Want to find the time to go out alone and shoot photos and video. These are taken with a dog on a leash. The dog is quite patient, but....