I'm currently using the LG G3 and I was thinking of upgrading, especially because SD801 devices apparently don't support Nougat. My best candidates currently are the G5 and the Moto Z. Which one is better? I could get the G5 right now for €389, The Moto Z release and price in Europe is unclear for now.
As always it depends...
Just think to two main things:
1) The Moto Z has no 3.5mm Jack
2) The G5 has a bigger battery (2600 vs 2800mAh) which is also removable
After this you have to consider the camera part, the G5's one is one of the best (if not the best) camera of this year, and the display part, the G5 mount a LCD IPS 5.3" and the Moto Z an Amoled 5.5".
In my opinion the G5 wins, so i would advice it over the Moto Z
Another count is the Z Force, but Lenovo said that it will be sold only in US.
I don't really mind the missing headphone jack since an adapter is included.
The removable battery is a big plus, but the power pack on the Moto Z is neat too.
For camera and display, I could go either way.
For the price, the LG is superior, but I guess I'll wait for IFA.
Well, you can't know how good is the adapter, and the battery pack will cost around 90 euros.
Then wait for ifa and decide =)
Moto Z and Z Force seems to be pricey then price will go down after sometime. So it is a No for Moto Z unless they will drop the price:
http://www.motorola.com/us/products/moto-z-droid-edition
https://www.motorola.com/us/products/moto-z-force-droid-edition
And now, it is Lenovo and not the Moto we used to have before..
LG G5 seems to be fine on its current price tag and no issues like old g4. So it must be fine.
Well, after seeing the official unlocked price, I'm dismissing the Moto Z from my wishlist.
Now, it's the G5 vs the Axon 7 and maybe one of the new Google phones.
Every phone has a compromise. :/
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Hi guys,
just wanted to get some opinions: after more than a year with Sony phones, I think I'm ready to move on to a different design, what would you suggest? S6? G4? M9?
Z2's forever in my heart, it has simply become too dull.
I had g2. Was great but not enough storage. I didn't like g3 somehow however after holding g4 in my hand it made a better impression on me than flex 2 and I would also consider buying this phone.
Before z2 I had m8 and I must say that it was the best device for me in terms of quality (all z-series i ever had had/have some issues). The reason I switched to Sony was low mpx count and weak battery, but damn, this ui was just lag free. After switching to z2 I immediately noticed it's much slower and speakers audio was just soo crappy (which I got used to now).
So if you expect good quality, very good display (and glass not catching so many fingerprints as z2) then I would pick m9.
If you expect even a better display and multitasking (like in Samsung) then go for g4.
If you expect good camera pick Samsung.
However, I myself would discard Samsung immediately, because it has no sdcard expansion and small battery.
Trust me 2600mah in m8 was nothing. (I'm a quote heavy phone user).
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Luckily not from an iPhone = Yesterdays technology at tomorrows prices
Lg G4 or V10 is an amazing alternative to a Sony Xperia Z5 Premium
Perhaps even a Nexus 6P or a customized Motorola
Screen, Nougat, processor, Daydream, etc? I currently have the Z but keep seeing how people are loving the Z play even more.
Battery. I'm unable to even discharge my Moto Z in a full day of use, how could I discharge the Play?
Seriously... speed and height.
Daydream VR
The VZW Z was $120 with no contract and no trade-in. Got four of them to replacing the aging phones of family members.
Locked bootloader is a huge negative for sure, but with the exception of AdAway, I find myself less concerned with root and custom ROMs given how close to vanilla the Moto is.
If someone figures out how to unlock it, I'll do it without a second thought, but at $120 the specs make it a no-brainer over the Z Play and well worth the risk of being stuck with a locked bootloader (for me).
It's thin and light
Hardware, software (nougat), thickness, the dark frame, the aluminium cover.
Hey guys. I've just gone through this so I thought I'd add my $0.02.
I went into a local shop and got some hands on tune with both of these. Honestly, with normal use I was pretty tough to tell the difference. Even the screens were close enough for that to not be an issue.
In the hand, the play felt better to me. The regular Z was almost too thin and the edges felt quite sharp.
Ultimately, I went with the regular Z and here are my reasons in order of importance to me:
1. Camera
Looking at the pictures taken I that shop there was a marked difference between the two. This may have been exacerbated my the play's lower res screen but the photos taken indoors were more passable to me.
2. Specs
Even though the play was just as smooth navigating Android, my assumption is that the SD 820 in the Z will give it more longevity.
3. Thickness
I have the speaker, camera and battery moto mods. The Z feels much better in the hand with mods installed than the play. Those couple of mm do make a difference.
4. Price
Over here in Aus, there's $300 difference between the play and the Z retail. However, I actually bought my Z on Expansys during a sale for $629 with free shipping. The play was $489 and for me the extra $$$ is comfortably justified.
I still dig the play though. I've had back of my GS7 and even though the GS7 camera is KILLER, I'd probably still pick the okay over it.
That is all, hope that helps anyone else tossing up between the two.
Play camera is considered better. Unless you're in love with the form factor of the Z I don't see it.
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Play camera is considered better. Unless you're in love with the form factor of the Z I don't see it.
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Considered better by who? I think you'd be pressed to find even one review which would support this claim.
Play has more megapixel, sure. But it also has a narrower aperture lens so it's low light performance is always going to produce shots with now noise and less detai.
There's much more to a camera than a sensor. Case in point: Google pixel and Xiaomi Mi5s. Exact same sensor but have you heard anyone talking about the Xiaomi being the best smartphone camera money can buy? There's a reason for that.
I'm not intending to be rude here but for real... if you're going to tout the Play as having a better camera then you need a pretty solid basis for it considering every single review of the Play I came across described the camera as just passable.
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Both Anandtech' and DXO basically say the Z Play has the better camera. The shots I've seen seem to confirm that. Where are the reviews you refer to that compare them DIRECTLY? A whole lot of vitriole in that post.
Lightweight and thin, I can barely feel it in my pocket. I get 5h+ screentime with the combination of Greenify, Lux AB and another app I forget; that schedules system things around the phones hibernation.
Considering that Nougat recently got pushed for the Z Play, it was noted that Daydream VR is not included in the update because of the Z Play's low resolution and less powerful Snapdragon 635 processor. I guess I'm glad I spent the extra few bucks to get the Z instead.
I was going to get the Play, but my carrier stopped offering it, so around here it was about $400 to buy one from the classifieds. Mostly just wanted the bigger battery.
So I got the Z for zero down as an upgrade with my carrier instead. And really, the battery has surprised me. I'm getting 5 to 6 hours screen on time, and the phone charges so fast anyway. So I'm glad I got the Z now. The camera has been a nice surprise too, compared to phones I've previously had.
This is my 3rd Moto. I've had the original X and the N6 also. Have loved all my moto phones.
Still getting the battery mod soon though.
Darth said:
I was going to get the Play, but my carrier stopped offering it, so around here it was about $400 to buy one from the classifieds. Mostly just wanted the bigger battery.
So I got the Z for zero down as an upgrade with my carrier instead. And really, the battery has surprised me. I'm getting 5 to 6 hours screen on time, and the phone charges so fast anyway. So I'm glad I got the Z now. The camera has been a nice surprise too, compared to phones I've previously had.
This is my 3rd Moto. I've had the original X and the N6 also. Have loved all my moto phones.
Still getting the battery mod soon though.
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Are you with Koodo? I'm with Koodo and they did indeed just stop carrying the Z Play, just when I was thinking of upgrading to it from the X Play I was wondering whether the "regular" Z might be my next choice, and it just may be...
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Are you with Koodo? I'm with Koodo and they did indeed just stop carrying the Z Play, just when I was thinking of upgrading to it from the X Play I was wondering whether the "regular" Z might be my next choice, and it just may be...
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Well, the Z is the better device. No doubt. Minus a headphone jack and the Play has a bigger battery.
The lack of headphone jack is definitely a nuisance. Have to be charged up before watching stuff, or listening to a lot of music. There's Bluetooth headphones out there though too.
The battery life surprised me, not much worse than my oneplus-one, or N6, but not stellar of course. I just got the incipio battery mod, so that solves that. Lol. It's bulkier, but not too crazy.
So it was cash for a play, probably used, or zero for the Z on a two year contract. I'm happy with what I got though.
I'm with bell. Oh, and it's the best camera I've had on a phone so far. I don't expect pics like an actual camera, so this meets my expectations for sure. :good:
Great specs, but mostly due to how thin and sexy it looks. Battery is no big deal to me these days because quick charge is fabulous...
I ran a short survey on Twitter asking people what old flagship/affordable last-gen phone would they get for a balance of true all-day battery, water-resistance, a great (not just good) camera & above average performance.
My choices were Moto G4, Xperia Z3 & something else. People chose the Z3.
Would u guys agree despite being a few years old, noisy photos when zoomed in and guaranteed no Nougat update?
Gino76ph said:
I ran a short survey on Twitter asking people what old flagship/affordable last-gen phone would they get for a balance of true all-day battery, water-resistance, a great (not just good) camera & above average performance.
My choices were Moto G4, Xperia Z3 & something else. People chose the Z3.
Would u guys agree despite being a few years old, noisy photos when zoomed in and guaranteed no Nougat update?
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I came from Nexus 6 which was $700 when it first came out (smashed its screen) and I'd say the 4g of RAM helps the Moto G4 Plus ($150 used) over the Nexus 6. Its smaller size is also more manageable and less likely to drop to smash screen. It has Nougat 7.0 now for stock and 7.1.2 for custom roms (Lineage, AOSP, and others based on Lineage and AOSP roms). The unlockable bootloader on both phones are important if custom roms, root, and TWRP recovery is your thing. I stayed away from Samsung for their always LOCKED bootloader which limits customizations.
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I came from Nexus 6
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I had a Nexus 6 but recently sold it. I have considered getting a Moto G4 but I have some reservations about doing so mainly because of hearing stories about the phone overheating with that 617 processor(known for overheating issues), and no removable battery (which probably contributes to the overheating issue). I would also prefer two front facing speakers like the Nexus 6 has but it's not a deal breaker 'cause they just don't make too many phones with dual front facing speakers.
Anyway, how do you like the Moto G4? How is the quality of the single speaker? Motorola phones usually have good speaker quality. I hope they didn't disappoint with the Moto G4 because I listen to a lot of music on my phones (usually without headphones).
Are you on the 7.0 Nougat update and if so do you notice any performance and camera improvements?
Just don't see a lot out there that grabs my attention and being as though I'm on Verizon my options are limited so I am considering the Moto G4.
Thanks
classic757 said:
I had a Nexus 6 but recently sold it. I have considered getting a Moto G4 but I have some reservations about doing so mainly because of hearing stories about the phone overheating with that 617 processor(known for overheating issues), and no removable battery (which probably contributes to the overheating issue). I would also prefer two front facing speakers like the Nexus 6 has but it's not a deal breaker 'cause they just don't make too many phones with dual front facing speakers.
Anyway, how do you like the Moto G4? How is the quality of the single speaker? Motorola phones usually have good speaker quality. I hope they didn't disappoint with the Moto G4 because I listen to a lot of music on my phones (usually without headphones).
Are you on the 7.0 Nougat update and if so do you notice any performance and camera improvements?
Just don't see a lot out there that grabs my attention and being as though I'm on Verizon my options are limited so I am considering the Moto G4.
Thanks
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I like it but it's nothing beat Nexus 6 for custom rom flashing and development. You have to be careful with Athene (Moto G4/G4 Plus) or you can hard brick it completely without any chance of recovery. Upside is at 5.5", G4's screen is less likely to crack from drops compared to Nexus 6's 6" screen. Battery life is about the same (both 3000 mAH). No wireless charging on Athene if that's important to you. Turbo charging is more reliable on Moto G4--consistently 7.5v X 1.5A while Nexus 6 Turbo charging is not as reliable (mostly 5v X 1.5A). Sound is obviously not as good for stereo music as Nexus 6, but good enough for movies in mono sound. Both (G4 Plus and Nexus 6) cost about $150 used and both great phones. Reception wise is same on Verizon. SIM is micro on MOTO G4 vs nano on Nexus 6--I made a DIY adapter out of an old credit card for my nano sim to fit my Micro SIM slot for Athene. MicroSD is nice on Athene--128gb + 64gb on Moto G4 Plus is SWEET. I can hold all my custom roms on the microSD card while the 32gb Nexus 6 had to dump roms constantly to my PC. 4gb of RAM on Moto G4 Plus vs 3gb of RAM on Nexus 6 is not much different speed wise since Nexus 6 processor is more powerful than Moto G4's but the extra ram made up for that. 2gb of RAM on the plain Moto G4 will be slower than 3g Nexus 6. Nougat is better but worse on battery than Marshmallow. Camera did not change in Nougat.
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I had a Nexus 6 but recently sold it. I have considered getting a Moto G4 but I have some reservations about doing so mainly because of hearing stories about the phone overheating with that 617 processor(known for overheating issues), and no removable battery (which probably contributes to the overheating issue). I would also prefer two front facing speakers like the Nexus 6 has but it's not a deal breaker 'cause they just don't make too many phones with dual front facing speakers.
Anyway, how do you like the Moto G4? How is the quality of the single speaker? Motorola phones usually have good speaker quality. I hope they didn't disappoint with the Moto G4 because I listen to a lot of music on my phones (usually without headphones).
Are you on the 7.0 Nougat update and if so do you notice any performance and camera improvements?
Just don't see a lot out there that grabs my attention and being as though I'm on Verizon my options are limited so I am considering the Moto G4.
Thanks
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The speakers I must say are better than the Xperia Z5 and XZ I had in the past. They are front-firing so sound will be directed in your face so that not an issue. It could be louder but you can't have everything you know. The camera I would say is more natural but can be washed out or overexposed at certain conditions. But is better IMO than my old Galaxy A5 2016, an iPhone SE, Huawei P8 Lite, Wileyfox Swift and the older Moto G.
But the one thing I started to hate about the phone is the lack of compass. Using Google Maps for walking navigation (here in the UK and travelling sometimes) I cannot even calibrate G-Maps so loading up the app takes a tad slow and may sometime freezes up. I may have above average 4G signal all the time it may be an issue but it IS starting to be an issue especially due to my work. It is currently on Nougat 7.0 with the March 2017 security update. This is also another pet peeve...slowness of updates. And I have heard the phone may not even see Nougat 7.1.1. So now I have started to hunt for my next phone.
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I like it but it's nothing beat Nexus 6 for custom rom flashing and development. You have to be careful with Athene (Moto G4/G4 Plus) or you can hard brick it completely without any chance of recovery. Upside is at 5.5", G4's screen is less likely to crack from drops compared to Nexus 6's 6" screen. Battery life is about the same (both 3000 mAH). No wireless charging on Athene if that's important to you. Turbo charging is more reliable on Moto G4--consistently 7.5v X 1.5A while Nexus 6 Turbo charging is not as reliable (mostly 5v X 1.5A). Sound is obviously not as good for stereo music as Nexus 6, but good enough for movies in mono sound. Both (G4 Plus and Nexus 6) cost about $150 used and both great phones. Reception wise is same on Verizon. SIM is micro on MOTO G4 vs nano on Nexus 6--I made a DIY adapter out of an old credit card for my nano sim to fit my Micro SIM slot for Athene. MicroSD is nice on Athene--128gb + 64gb on Moto G4 Plus is SWEET. I can hold all my custom roms on the microSD card while the 32gb Nexus 6 had to dump roms constantly to my PC. 4gb of RAM on Moto G4 Plus vs 3gb of RAM on Nexus 6 is not much different speed wise since Nexus 6 processor is more powerful than Moto G4's but the extra ram made up for that. 2gb of RAM on the plain Moto G4 will be slower than 3g Nexus 6. Nougat is better but worse on battery than Marshmallow. Camera did not change in Nougat.
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I hoping (against hope) that the new upcoming Moto G5S Plus would have the same 5.5" screen, USB Type-C with USB 3.0 speeds, Louder speakers, 3GB-4GB RAM as standard, some form of IP-rating and Nougat 7.1.1 the very least. If not I am just going to find my new phone in somewhere. I am studying on old flagships like the 6S Plus, S7 or even the Galaxy A5 2017 or Nokia 5.
I have a pretty tight budget and I have the choice between an upgrade to the Moto X and Xperia XZS
The Moto X still has a warranty and the JBL module so I'm just curious of what actual Z users feel ?
What?
Moto X or Moto Z, choose what you're talking about.
No, it's not. Sure it has kinda good specs for the low price, but that low battery capacity is dragging the whole package down. Only after half a year my friends Moto Z's battery capacity already seems a lot worse than it did before. There is no denying that the battery is just not enough if you're not willing to use these bulky and expensive battery mods. Only upside is that it charges fast. I feel like there are a lot of better contenders out there for the tight budget.
If you can get a good deal it's a nice phone. It's easy to flash custom ROMs.
Thanks for the replies guys! But SLR I'm in the exam period. I got the Z, in many ways I feel it's better than my destroyed LG G6, the screen is better.
Build is awesome and front camera is a wows my friends who use iPhones. Except the battery sucks **** and lack of the headphone jack.
The JBL mod is great and I plan on getting the Incpio battery mod.. If the Z2 Force will be getting Treble support! Because I want to stick to the Z line.
None of the current Z/Z2 models will be getting official Treble support. I think someone has added Treble to a Z with Lineage. I believe there's a thread on /r/moto_z about that.
I'm getting both devices at same price but I'm confused which one to get in terms of camera performance and battery life? Please help me decide which one is better in honest opinion
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I'm getting both devices at same price but I'm confused which one to get in terms of camera performance and battery life? Please help me decide which one is better in honest opinion
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Objectively looking at the specs, the HTC 10 has a bit bigger battery ( 3000 mAh compared to 2650 mAh of the Moto Z but the Moto Z is only 5.2mm thin and supports various mods, one of which is the battery mod line ) and in the GSMArena sample pics, the Moto Z produces a bit sharper images.
And in general, at least for me, the Moto Z looks better.
HTC was one of the good looking snobs among smartphone manufacturers but now they're that deformed incest child which is still alive because some people formed emotional bonds to it or somehow found beauty in it.
Don't get me wrong, the Moto Z has some small flaws but it looks and works great, at least for me ( I usually change my phones in intervals of 6 months or less but I bought the Moto Z in August 2017 and I'm still using it ) .
The only concern you could have is battery life expectancy but people say you can replace it with the warranty if it dies on you so that one is kinda solved.
The screen is excellent, the UI and games are snappy and you can taste even Android P thanks to our great dev.
I wouldn't sell this phone even if someone offered me the 400$ I paid for it.
If you're willing to tinker with it, the Moto Z is a phone with huge potential.