Hi together, i just noticed that the "non-verizon branded" Version of our ADR6410 seems to be available in the wild (-> on ebay.com) ... that seems to still have the identical specs as the verizon version and NOT the down-spec'ed like that "desire vc".
appologies for just snapping the pics from an ebay-offer, but it's just to show it to you for reference! HTC logo instead of our "verizon-mark". no idea about roms or unlocks for that modified ADR6410-LRA (from my side) of course. :fingers-crossed:
according to the seller:
As you see - the unit is a "6410LRA". The "LRA" stands for "LTE Across Rural America." This was ORIGINALLY a Verizon product but it was passed on to smaller regional carriers. This unit WILL NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT work on the Verizon (or Sprint) Network - NOT! You WILL need a SIM Card from one of the Regional networks to use this phone (SIM Card NOT Included) and even then we make NO guarantees of this phone being able to work on any Carrier. There are some carriers this MIGHT work on but we don't know which ones. When a Unit is Powered Up NO Carrier logo comes on the screen.
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cheers ... so what do you think about this "sibbling"?
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Hi together, i just noticed that the "non-verizon branded" Version of our ADR6410 seems to be available in the wild (-> on ebay.com) ... that seems to still have the identical specs as the verizon version and NOT the down-spec'ed like that "desire vc".
appologies for just snapping the pics from an ebay-offer, but it's just to show it to you for reference! HTC logo instead of our "verizon-mark". no idea about roms or unlocks for that modified ADR6410-LRA (from my side) of course. :fingers-crossed:
according to the seller:
cheers ... so what do you think about this "sibbling"?
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I have looked at it too, its identical and should work with all our roms since its the same device and uses same kernel
Sent from my ADR6410LVW using xda app-developers app
jose51197 said:
I have looked at it too, its identical and should work with all our roms since its the same device and uses same kernel
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i'm just not sure if the unluck (root etc) would work the same way. alas, not much to worry about it for myself ... since i already have my Dinc4G and here in Europe you can't buy them (regularily anyhow). was just wondering ^^
very disappointed with this phone
HTC has been disappointing me HARD as of late..
Not sure if switching back over was the right move, Samsung was great, except when they locked the s4 bootloader and there is $5,000 bounty not being claimed yet, so i doubt itll come, id rather dump this if no S-OFF and get the s4 dev edition..
I have one of these, and purchased it at an independent cell company here in east KY. So far it seems to be a good phone. Signal is good, and has all the specs I need for my use. Battery life is excellent I've been one of AT&T's faithful since the Cingular days back in the early 90's. However, just to be blunt, AT&T coverage has dropped by at least 50% over the past 5 years - hence my reason to take a stab at App Wireless App Wireless is locally owned, and actually is the oldest provider in this area. The only issue is they are somewhat higher in rates, and initial cost is higher. With that being said......
I'd love to make the switch. I still have a few months under contract with AT&T, but would be willing to pay the ETF fee. Even though App Wireless is higher in pricing, the coverage more than makes up for it. I'd much rather pay $70 for 95% coverage as to pay $50 for 50% coverage
I really need to get this thing rooted Basically just to install programs on an ext4. It surprised me as to the programs that will install to the external SD card automatically, but there are just those few that won't. Searching the forums I can't find a definitive answer on this phone. I have found where its been done on the Verizon branded, and the HTC Desire VC, plus... even the HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE.
I've searched this and other forums - is there ANYWHERE posted that this phone has successfully been rooted?
Just wanted to let everyone know that I decided to be a "rabbit", and take a chance on my new HTC Desire 4G LTE - at least that's what the independent carrier calls it. It is similar to the HTC Desire VC they offer, but the specs are closer to the HTC Droid Incredible 4g LTE.
Anyway, whenever I plugged it into a program of sorts, it recognized it as the HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE. The big difference being the Hinc is a model from Verizon, ADR6410VZW. Mine is a ADR6410LTA.
All of the other specs are identical with the exception of the CID. The Verizon is a VZW__001 that mosts posts say to SuperCID it to 11111111 to root, but the ADR6410LRA is a UTSI_005. Therefore a lot of the steps are not needed.
As of right now, my bootloader is unlocked, and the phone is rooted, and everything is working fine. I also installed TWRP. So....for those that have the LRA version instead of the Verizon, everything here applies and will work fine.
Thought this may help a few.
Wanted to start a thread to discuss any success or stories about using your XZ1 on T-Mobile USA with VoLTE or WiFi calling? Anyone got a chance to buy the phone and try it out on T-Mobile USA? lets keep the chatter to minimum of facts and real feedback of users experience and not (it should work, or in theory it should work, or even Sony said it will work). I am looking for real user experiences on their personal phones running VoLTE on T-Mobile USA.
I read on the Verge that only the Compact would come compatible with T-Mobile's VoLTE and Wifi Calling. I don't know why that is nor how it makes any sense (considering they're pretty identical). I can confirm at least that neither VoLTE nor Wifi Calling works on AT&T...not that I ever expected it to be otherwise.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/31/16228234/sony-xperia-xz1-xz1-compact-android-oreo-ifa-2017
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XZ1 Dual is already available to buy at Amazon and it looks like few people already jumped ship according to
https://www.reddit.com/r/SonyXperia/comments/70ac8s/international_xperia_xz1s_have_hit_amazon/
I have asked if anyone can provide status update with tmobile volte once they receive it.
so far, no confirmation from any real user experience that XZ1 actually works with T-Mobile USA VoLTE. I have reviewed the reddit discussion, again, no confirmation there as well.
Have not seen "Customized US" region firmware appear for XZ1 Dual (G8342) in https://xpericheck.com/ so i am a bit skeptic about what version is sold on amazon.
Customized US firmware is needed for sure for VoLTE/VoWIFI to work without root.
Can a different region firmware flashed without root?
Stefanos1999 said:
Can a different region firmware flashed without root?
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Yes, via Newlasher tool https://forum.xda-developers.com/cr...gress-newflasher-xperia-command-line-t3619426
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Yes, via Newlasher tool https://forum.xda-developers.com/cr...gress-newflasher-xperia-command-line-t3619426
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Can the dual sim variant 8342 be flashed with a single sim 8341 firmware? Of course 2nd sim capability will be lost.
can we please keep this thread to talk about users experience with XZ1 on T-Mobile rather than loading builds.
I just spoke to T-Mobile's Tech Dept and they really have no clue if it's VoLTE-certified or not. Since the majority of online publications say it isn't and only the XZ1 Compact is, I'm going to assume it's not. Guess I'm sticking with my HTC 10 a little longer then! lol
Agree, seems Sony did it again by limiting their unlocked phones to work only on handful of networks.
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Agree, seems Sony did it again by limiting their unlocked phones to work only on handful of networks.
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Yeah. They're slowly getting back on track again, considering that XZ1 has excellent battery life (82 endurance hours on GSM Arena, "Excellent" rating on Phone Arena), HDR screen, improved audio from what I'm understanding (though I'm still THOROUGHLY researching that lol), metal unibody is awesome (enough with glass backs! lol), and at least certifying VoLTE for the unlocked XZ1 Compact (it's a start, I guess lol)...........it seems they are getting their sh*t together. So hopefully in 2018 we'll see them quit playin' around like dummies and do EVERYTHING right, not just a few things.
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Yeah. They're slowly getting back on track again, considering that XZ1 has excellent battery life (82 endurance hours on GSM Arena, "Excellent" rating on Phone Arena), HDR screen, improved audio from what I'm understanding (though I'm still THOROUGHLY researching that lol), metal unibody is awesome (enough with glass backs! lol), and at least certifying VoLTE for the unlocked XZ1 Compact (it's a start, I guess lol)...........it seems they are getting their sh*t together. So hopefully in 2018 we'll see them quit playin' around like dummies and do EVERYTHING right, not just a few things.
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(enough with glass backs! lol)
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Aww, man! You sure? You don't want the iPhone X? Haha, I think it's funny apple is switching back after the monster failure of the 4s's glass back.
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at least certifying VoLTE for the unlocked XZ1 Compact (it's a start, I guess lol)
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This is very much up for debate, as you said your representative wasn't sure, but said maybe the Compact only? I am talking to a rep now (have been for near a half hour or longer), the initial person didn't know (they kept saying "the SIM card will work in an unlocked Sony phone", which is not the full answer to my/our question here). After much discussion, the initial rep basically said they don't know, but in theory (I know we don't want theories here, so this isn't too helpful, but my experience...) it should work, although, it hadn't been tested by t-mobile themselves or something, so they couldn't guarantee it. I found this site "spectrumgateway" ( then navigate to the "Devices compatible with Extended Range LTE") [sorry, I can't post actual links yet]. This webpage lists the XZ1 and XZ1 Compact under the "may work" category. If you notice, the page also says to try to contact t-mobile/the t-mobile community if you happen to test one of the "maybe" phones, as they're "maybe" because t-mobile doesn't know and hasn't tried (but in theory should be compatible). So, I really think those third party articles have no idea what they're talking about and t-mobile seems to have no idea if the new sony phones will actually work, in reality.
After more talking to the initial rep, he goes and grabs someone else (I don't know who? maybe a supervisor?). This person does not seem to know either. They've both claimed wifi calling should work fine on the unlocked/VZW iphone 5s i currently have, which is completely not the case. So, who knows?
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So hopefully in 2018 we'll see them quit playin' around like dummies and do EVERYTHING right, not just a few things
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I think I thought that to myself 6 months ago with the XZs came out, then a year ago when the XZ came out, and even a year before that too. Not sure I am going to hold my breath anymore.
Edit 1: Okay, after rounding out my conversation with the supervisor... they basically determined that they cannot guarantee the XZ1/XZ1 Compact will even work (although, per the third parties info/specs (Sony), it *should*) and no one has tested it for sure (and it doesn't sound like they plan on it, themselves, so it's up to consumers, I guess). That all said, I still wouldn't be surprised if wifi calling, hd voice, volte, etc. didn't work. The supervisor directed me to t-mobile's support page, where I searched an article called "Wi-Fi Calling" from t-mobile (it was the third result for me, dunno for others) [again, sorry, I can't link]. It's more or less a page on their wi-fi calling policies and how to use it and such, but may be useful.
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Aww, man! You sure? You don't want the iPhone X? Haha, I think it's funny apple is switching back after the monster failure of the 4s's glass back.
This is very much up for debate, as you said your representative wasn't sure, but said maybe the Compact only? I am talking to a rep now (have been for near a half hour or longer), the initial person didn't know (they kept saying "the SIM card will work in an unlocked Sony phone", which is not the full answer to my/our question here). After much discussion, the initial rep basically said they don't know, but in theory (I know we don't want theories here, so this isn't too helpful, but my experience...) it should work, although, it hadn't been tested by t-mobile themselves or something, so they couldn't guarantee it. I found this site "spectrumgateway" ( then navigate to the "Devices compatible with Extended Range LTE") [sorry, I can't post actual links yet]. This webpage lists the XZ1 and XZ1 Compact under the "may work" category. If you notice, the page also says to try to contact t-mobile/the t-mobile community if you happen to test one of the "maybe" phones, as they're "maybe" because t-mobile doesn't know and hasn't tried (but in theory should be compatible). So, I really think those third party articles have no idea what they're talking about and t-mobile seems to have no idea if the new sony phones will actually work, in reality.
After more talking to the initial rep, he goes and grabs someone else (I don't know who? maybe a supervisor?). This person does not seem to know either. They've both claimed wifi calling should work fine on the unlocked/VZW iphone 5s i currently have, which is completely not the case. So, who knows?
I think I thought that to myself 6 months ago with the XZs came out, then a year ago when the XZ came out, and even a year before that too. Not sure I am going to hold my breath anymore.
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I respect Apple iPhones, but I prefer the freedom of Android. lol
No it's NOT a maybe for the XZ1 Compact being T-Mobile VoLTE-certified. ALL online publications indicate the XZ1 Compact will have it. Only like ONE (Android Headlines) said it was both, but I think they jumped the gun by assuming something that should've been the case anyway but wasn't. A rep with who, Sony? Or T-Mobile? Cuz if it's T-Mo I already went that route with both customer service and their tech dept.
Yeah Spectrum Gateway wasn't sure and it turns out it's only the XZ1 Compact. I wanted to contact them but they didn't put a "Contact Us" page on their site. Dumb. lol I have their page bookmarked, so actually 2 sites say both have it, but if you click on their "source link" for that info, it takes you to...........Android Headlines. lol
At this point I believe the XZ1 Compact got certified, and the XZ1 didn't. Until someone can prove that wrong, I'm not going to dispute it. So that's that.
Sony has made like its best phone yet in the XZ1 IMO, but this is unacceptable. I have faith though that they will come around with their head FULLY out of their a$$ by 2018 though. The XZ1 Compact is a great buy though. If it only had a bigger screen, then it would basically BE the XZ1 since they both have the 835. Not sure on body of XZ1 Compact though, but it p's me off b/c I've been waiting for an all metal-unibody Xperia phone. And now we got one, but it turns out to be a dud in one major way (no VoLTE). I get Band 12 in my area now, so VoLTE is a MUST for me. When I didn't have it before I didn't care, but it just got put up and activated in my area (Chicago) about 2-3 months ago. And you need VoLTE to use it on T-Mo's network since they require certification, so yeah. It's a pass for me, unfortunately. And unfortunately for Sony too.
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I respect Apple iPhones, but I prefer the freedom of Android. lol
No it's NOT a maybe for the XZ1 Compact being T-Mobile VoLTE-certified. ALL online publications indicate the XZ1 Compact will have it. Only like ONE (Android Headlines) said it was both, but I think they jumped the gun by assuming something that should've been the case anyway but wasn't. A rep with who, Sony? Or T-Mobile? Cuz if it's T-Mo I already went that route with both customer service and their tech dept.
Yeah Spectrum Gateway wasn't sure and it turns out it's only the XZ1 Compact. I wanted to contact them but they didn't put a "Contact Us" page on their site. Dumb. lol I have their page bookmarked, so actually 2 sites say both have it, but if you click on their "source link" for that info, it takes you to...........Android Headlines. lol
At this point I believe the XZ1 Compact got certified, and the XZ1 didn't. Until someone can prove that wrong, I'm not going to dispute it. So that's that.
Sony has made like its best phone yet in the XZ1 IMO, but this is unacceptable. I have faith though that they will come around with their head FULLY out of their a$$ by 2018 though. The XZ1 Compact is a great buy though. If it only had a bigger screen, then it would basically BE the XZ1 since they both have the 835. Not sure on body of XZ1 Compact though, but it p's me off b/c I've been waiting for an all metal-unibody Xperia phone. And now we got one, but it turns out to be a dud in one major way (no VoLTE). I get Band 12 in my area now, so VoLTE is a MUST for me. When I didn't have it before I didn't care, but it just got put up and activated in my area (Chicago) about 2-3 months ago. And you need VoLTE to use it on T-Mo's network since they require certification, so yeah. It's a pass for me, unfortunately. And unfortunately for Sony too.
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RockStar2005 said:
I respect Apple iPhones, but I prefer the freedom of Android. lol
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I feel ya, apple iphones are generally fairly quality. Sorry, I shouldn't have ragged on them. I have just had mine for a while and am ready to switch (back -- its been *years*, so not sure you could even say 'back' anymore lol) to android.
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No it's NOT a maybe for the XZ1 Compact being T-Mobile VoLTE-certified. ALL online publications indicate the XZ1 Compact will have it. Only like ONE (Android Headlines) said it was both, but I think they jumped the gun by assuming something that should've been the case anyway but wasn't.
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I know, but these are all third party articles. I presented many to both the t-mobile rep and the t-mobile rep's supervisor, to which they both said those articles could be wrong and t-mobile isn't endorsing any of them or anything. That's why I said it should work (but I think people want real tests here?), but t-mobile said they would not guarantee either phone working despite all the articles (to which I said, they needa get out a statement then or something to correct any misinformation before tmo ends up with a lotta upset sony users on their hands, but thats another topic).
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A rep with who, Sony? Or T-Mobile? Cuz if it's T-Mo I already went that route with both customer service and their tech dept.
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T-mobile. They told me the opposite of what you got told, by the end, at least (before the end of our conversation they had opinions and "answers" all over the board, many of which I think were misleading/incorrect, so maybe what they told me about the XZ1/XZ1 compact was incorrect too). I'm not trying to argue or anything, just reporting my experience.
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Yeah Spectrum Gateway wasn't sure and it turns out it's only the XZ1 Compact. I wanted to contact them but they didn't put a "Contact Us" page on their site. Dumb.
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I think it says just post on r/android? Lol
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lol I have their page bookmarked, so actually 2 sites say both have it, but if you click on their "source link" for that info, it takes you to...........Android Headlines. lol
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Yeah, I had come across the spectrum page before, but somehow missed the XZ1 stuff (and links) further down, so I was like "OH!? Did it get it added? ...Oh? It's a "maybe"? Well, let's click this link.... Aww! man! full circle!" -- Lol, maybe, it's like a information source loop? The entire internet thinks Sony phones work on tmobile usa because two websites basically quoted each other? xD Just kidding.
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At this point I believe the XZ1 Compact got certified, and the XZ1 didn't. Until someone can prove that wrong, I'm not going to dispute it. So that's that.
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Yeah, I think I am siding with you at this point. T-Mobile wouldn't confirm either for me, but I think you're coming to the right conclusion based on what I've seen (if I had to guess).
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I have faith though that they will come around with their head FULLY out of their a$$ by 2018 though
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Maybe. Although, each year, my theory that they consider the U.S. an "already lost to competitors" cell-phone market and just don't care creeps more and more into my mind.
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The XZ1 Compact is a great buy though.
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I've been waiting for an all metal-unibody
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I like "smaller" phones, so I was kind of actually eyeing the compact. Although, I do agree, a metal body would be cool (but, I don't think the compact is as "plasticy" this time around? Idk, Sony says the material is some material hybrid or something (as many manufactures say. I think a lotta times they just make up cool sounding names for their epoxy recipes, lol, maybe next time... = "Mithril! Unibody"! "OOOOhhhh!!!! Ahhhh!!!!!" ? I also like that, despite the XZ1 being larger overall, it is thinner, making it easier and more comfortable to slip into a pant pocket or whatever.
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I feel ya, apple iphones are generally fairly quality. Sorry, I shouldn't have ragged on them. I have just had mine for a while and am ready to switch (back -- its been *years*, so not sure you could even say 'back' anymore lol) to android.
I know, but these are all third party articles. I presented many to both the t-mobile rep and the t-mobile rep's supervisor, to which they both said those articles could be wrong and t-mobile isn't endorsing any of them or anything. That's why I said it should work (but I think people want real tests here?), but t-mobile said they would not guarantee either phone working despite all the articles (to which I said, they needa get out a statement then or something to correct any misinformation before tmo ends up with a lotta upset sony users on their hands, but thats another topic).
T-mobile. They told me the opposite of what you got told, by the end, at least (before the end of our conversation they had opinions and "answers" all over the board, many of which I think were misleading/incorrect, so maybe what they told me about the XZ1/XZ1 compact was incorrect too). I'm not trying to argue or anything, just reporting my experience.
I think it says just post on r/android? Lol
Yeah, I had come across the spectrum page before, but somehow missed the XZ1 stuff (and links) further down, so I was like "OH!? Did it get it added? ...Oh? It's a "maybe"? Well, let's click this link.... Aww! man! full circle!" -- Lol, maybe, it's like a information source loop? The entire internet thinks Sony phones work on tmobile usa because two websites basically quoted each other? xD Just kidding.
Yeah, I think I am siding with you at this point. T-Mobile wouldn't confirm either for me, but I think you're coming to the right conclusion based on what I've seen (if I had to guess).
Maybe. Although, each year, my theory that they consider the U.S. an "already lost to competitors" cell-phone market and just don't care creeps more and more into my mind.
I like "smaller" phones, so I was kind of actually eyeing the compact. Although, I do agree, a metal body would be cool (but, I don't think the compact is as "plasticy" this time around? Idk, Sony says the material is some material hybrid or something (as many manufactures say. I think a lotta times they just make up cool sounding names for their epoxy recipes, lol, maybe next time... = "Mithril! Unibody"! "OOOOhhhh!!!! Ahhhh!!!!!" ? I also like that, despite the XZ1 being larger overall, it is thinner, making it easier and more comfortable to slip into a pant pocket or whatever.
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Well I didn't take any offense to the Apple thing, just sayin' for the MOST part they are pretty reliable, even if they do seem to usually get features Androids had for years kinda late. lol
Yeah but in my experience, the T-Mo reps don't usually keep up with current info, unless OF COURSE it's Samsung or Apple-related. lol
They won't put out a statement cuz it's not Apple or Samsung. Or LG or Motorola. lol
Well it sounds like they told u the same thing they told me: they weren't sure. lol So until I see some real credible proof, I'm not gonna assume the XZ1 will have VoLTE on T-Mo. The XZ1 though I feel very confident will. It's one thing for 1 credible site to get it wrong. It's another thing for 4-5 sites to though. lol Even Android Headlines said BOTH, so it still was saying the XZ1 Compact was getting it as well.
Yeah..........well Spectrum was quoting Android Headlines, not really the other way around. If you can reach Spectrum and tell them to remove it from their site, that would be good.
Yes, they did make a comment last year about "pulling back" from certain countries, including the U.S. However, the fact that they certified VoLTE with T-Mo for the XZ1 and are making some of their best phones yet might mean MORE positive change is coming? Or maybe it's just wishful thinking for me?
I only like Sony and HTC phones for the most part. Samsung to me is OVERRATED AS F and I'm actually basing that off my experience with TWO of their phones (S5 & S7), both of which I did not enjoy owning, aside from Samsung Pay. lol Motorola..........I think they only work on Verizon right? LG seems to have really outdone itself on the vastly superior (in like EVERY category, including audio especially) V30, but it's still a phablet, and I am NOT a phablet guy. The XZ Premium though I saw in my local Best Buy a couple weeks ago. I don't care too much about screens, but MY GOD that phone was MAGNIFICENT! lol I mean my jaw dropped when I saw that screen. And the back side is the classiest and nicest looking ever on an Xperia phone that I've ever seen. I really prefer metal unibodies over glass-backed phones these days, but that phone was just stunning. And that was upscaled 4K HDR that I saw. Didn't even pull up any 4K HDR content, but I will if I go back. But that phone doesn't have VoLTE for T-Mo customers, so no way I'd buy it just on that. If it did though I'd maybe bite the bullet. But yeah, I want them to stick around, but also BE BETTER too. Since Google just bought HTC, we have no idea for sure how HTC's future phones are gonna be, and if they'll ever go back to non-phablet flagships like my 10. Sony at least seems to be offering not only the headphone jack still, but they also are still offering non-phablet flagships like the XZ1 as well fortunately. So I just want them to keep getting better and not stupider. lol
Well if you wanted the Compact, then you might as well get it, since it will have VoLTE too. Yeah the body is a plastic/metal (one site said "glass-infused" too? lol) one, the front camera is slightly less good, and the screen is smaller & 720p, but all the other specs are the same, EVEN (and oddly) the battery size too! lol
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Yes, please.
I ordered my XZ1 G8342 on ebay. Should be here Monday at latest or saturday (crossing fingers). I'll be sure to upload some videos and keep everyone posted. I had the x compact and experience using flashtool as well.
Tmobile told me that if the phone doesnt have VoLTE, you may not be able to use LTE while on a call and may take a minute to get LTE active after a call.
We shall see
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I ordered my XZ1 G8342 on ebay. Should be here Monday at latest or saturday (crossing fingers). I'll be sure to upload some videos and keep everyone posted. I had the x compact and experience using flashtool as well.
Tmobile told me that if the phone doesnt have VoLTE, you may not be able to use LTE while on a call and may take a minute to get LTE active after a call.
We shall see
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The big issue with not having VoLTE on T-Mo (who I also have) is that you can't use Band 12 (aka 700 MHz), which is becoming more and more prominent. It reaches out much farther than their other bands (2 & 4), and is 4 times better at penetrating buildings as well.
Yeah keep us posted man! With pics too. Thanks.
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The big issue with not having VoLTE on T-Mo (who I also have) is that you can't use Band 12 (aka 700 MHz), which is becoming more and more prominent. It reaches out much farther than their other bands (2 & 4), and is 4 times better at penetrating buildings as well.
Yeah keep us posted man! With pics too. Thanks.
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Trust me, I sure will. Will see if band 12 is being used.
Ordered the blue :good: $609 shipped
Hello guys,
I did see 5hat the Galaxy s9 plus is cheaper through Samsung or through Best Buy Friday. The phone that is cheaper is the unlocked version that works with any carrier including Verizon which I get. My question is will the unlocked version work with, or have a way to download Verizon Visual Voicemail, and will it work? Appreciate the feedback.
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Hello guys,
I did see 5hat the Galaxy s9 plus is cheaper through Samsung or through Best Buy Friday. The phone that is cheaper is the unlocked version that works with any carrier including Verizon which I get. My question is will the unlocked version work with, or have a way to download Verizon Visual Voicemail, and will it work? Appreciate the feedback.
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To piggy back off of this question (since I am in similar boat with AT&T) - Is it possible to flash the phone with the carrier version after purchasing unlocked version? Unfortunately, WiFi calling is a must where I live.
Thanks
I'm also in the same situation with Verizon. I want to get the unlocked version, but will everything work just like the verizon branded device? Also does anyone know if the Samsung trade in offer will work with a Verizon phone that's on payment plan?
Also wondering if sideloading the app will work for this purpose.
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I'm also in the same situation with Verizon. I want to get the unlocked version, but will everything work just like the verizon branded device? Also does anyone know if the Samsung trade in offer will work with a Verizon phone that's on payment plan?
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I don't see why they shouldn't take it. I've sold phones on Verizon payment plan and haven't had any problems. The carriers only care that you continue to make payments and fire that they bill you monthly.
Bxrider117 said:
I don't see why they shouldn't take it. I've sold phones on Verizon payment plan and haven't had any problems. The carriers only care that you continue to make payments and fire that they bill you monthly.
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Yes I just finished reading the fine print in Samsung's trade in offer. So the only phones they will not accept as trade ins are leased phones.
Just went through this at Best Buy on Friday, also.
Was strongly considering the unlocked S9+ and porting it to the VZW network. I inquired with the blue-shirt if there would be any loss of functionality should I make such a choice. The answer was "no".
The Samsung representative was in attendance, so I put the question to him as well. After glazing over while he went into an analogy of how your IMEI and SIM card are like licensing a car - and how they all can drive on the same road - I directed him back to the issue at hand, and his response was "no difference".
Then I called VZW, waited for the obligatory 15 minutes on hold, and asked the representative the same question. The answer was "No. None. Exactly the same."
Did a few searches on the feature I was specifically concerned about - that being Wi-Fi calling - and it appeared, from an historical perspective, there would be the potential for that functionality to be absent unless one purchased the branded device.
The VZW store was across the street, so I brought my question to them. In an experience that is as unique as it was surprising, I was lucky enough to get a salesperson who genuinely seemed to want to know the definitive answer as much as I did. He researched his on-line documentation for a few minutes before calling what he claimed to be their "network engineer".
The answer came back that VoLTE would work but Wi-Fi calling would not, on an unlocked S9+ ROM in the VZW network.
I've subsequently read contradicting indications but, considering the self-assigned importance of that capability, I decided not to chance it and find out the hard way that it would not work - should that be the case.
While this does not address your Visual Voice Mail concern, it does demonstrate exactly how many differing answers one can get from supposedly knowledgeable resources.
So, my solution was to lease the branded device with the understanding that I will need to deal with all of the pre-loaded stuff that I (or for that matter, just about anyone) do not need, want or use.
I have seen this questions asked hundreds of times, and I have seen both answers regarding WiFi calling. I know I have purchased unlocked phones right from Google in the past and never had an issue with any feature on VZW. I guess I will find out soon if anything has changed, as I ordered the 9+ unlocked from Samsung (they offered $100 more in a trade and a cheaper base price = no brainer). Will the confusion ever end?
Having had a unlocked s8+ and a Note 8 with VZ I can say VVM does not work. I've tried various applications and am not a fan of using google voice so I reached out and had standard messaging applied to my account and basic VVM removed. I'll get a notification but have to call in to check my voicemail which is no biggie. Never tried wifi calling but HD Voice does work ok. I preordered an unlocked S9+ so I'm sure it'll be the same boat
Verizon had the demo for the s9 plus in their store today, and the model of the phone is IDENTICAL to the unlocked US model. Also kinda wishing I'd stuck to the purple one I'd ordered by accident and cancelled, as it looks amazing in person.
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With the S7, you could flash the any of the carrier or unlocked firmware on the phone. This would give you access to verizon VVM, WiFI calling, etc if you flashed that firmware. I heard the S8 was the same since the hardware in them are the same between carriers. Here's to hoping that the S9 is the same.
MaddnessX said:
To piggy back off of this question (since I am in similar boat with AT&T) - Is it possible to flash the phone with the carrier version after purchasing unlocked version? Unfortunately, WiFi calling is a must where I live.
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If you want WiFi Calling on Att - you MUST buy an ATT phone. ATT WiFi calling will only work with Branded ATT Phones - NOT unlocked ones. Sorry.
Geekser said:
If you want WiFi Calling on Att - you MUST buy an ATT phone. ATT WiFi calling will only work with Branded ATT Phones - NOT unlocked ones. Sorry.
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This is true. If you want wifi calling (which I do), you need an AT&T phone. You can't flash anything on the phone to make it work. A few extra AT&T apps is not a big deal on a phone like this to get the features they provide. If you pay for their service you should get all the benefits but that's not how it is for now.
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This is true. If you want wifi calling (which I do), you need an AT&T phone. You can't flash anything on the phone to make it work. A few extra AT&T apps is not a big deal on a phone like this to get the features they provide. If you pay for their service you should get all the benefits but that's not how it is for now.
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And that is very unfortunate. I am hoping that one day they will open up WiFi Calling to non carrier phones - but I doubt it will happen any time soon if at all.
Is it the same for tmobile?
Just got off the phone with a Tier 2 Tech Coach with VZW and they said that they can only "guarantee the VZW branded phones will work with their features." I specifically asked about VVM and WiFi calling. They suggested I stick to the VZW branded model. I explained that their model was virtually $100 more than the unlocked version from Samsung and I wasn't sure why that was on "basically the same phone." She was kind and courteous, but certainly it's another way for Big Red to make more money.
tcabrino said:
Is it the same for tmobile?
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GS8 Unlocked worked with both VoLTE and Wifi Calling on TMO so there is no reason for the GS9+ unlocked not to support these features.
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tcabrino said:
Is it the same for tmobile?
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raejr78 said:
Just got off the phone with a Tier 2 Tech Coach with VZW and they said that they can only "guarantee the VZW branded phones will work with their features." I specifically asked about VVM and WiFi calling. They suggested I stick to the VZW branded model. I explained that their model was virtually $100 more than the unlocked version from Samsung and I wasn't sure why that was on "basically the same phone." She was kind and courteous, but certainly it's another way for Big Red to make more money.
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Problem with VZW is support for integrated video calling thru the phone app which is different from the Samsung default. On VZW the unlocked USA version will support VoLTE but not WIfi Calling, VVM, Video Calling.
my 2 cents.
raejr78 said:
Just got off the phone with a Tier 2 Tech Coach with VZW and they said that they can only "guarantee the VZW branded phones will work with their features." I specifically asked about VVM and WiFi calling. They suggested I stick to the VZW branded model. I explained that their model was virtually $100 more than the unlocked version from Samsung and I wasn't sure why that was on "basically the same phone." She was kind and courteous, but certainly it's another way for Big Red to make more money.
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They're wrong. I tested a Verizon model in stores, and it's literally the exact same model number as the unlocked one I've got on order from Samsung. But of course they want you to buy the Verizon one, the mark up in the price is pure profit for them, and they probably get a commission for selling it to you.
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raejr78 said:
Just got off the phone with a Tier 2 Tech Coach with VZW and they said that they can only "guarantee the VZW branded phones will work with their features." I specifically asked about VVM and WiFi calling. They suggested I stick to the VZW branded model. I explained that their model was virtually $100 more than the unlocked version from Samsung and I wasn't sure why that was on "basically the same phone." She was kind and courteous, but certainly it's another way for Big Red to make more money.
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Don't forget their useless $30+ "activation fee" they charge when you buy a device through them. I shouldn't have to pay $30 to take the SIM out of my old phone and put it in my new phone. I'm going with the unlocked version because I'm considering switching to T-Mobile due to all this type of crap Verizon pulls.
LgG2-Ttrain said:
Yes I just finished reading the fine print in Samsung's trade in offer. So the only phones they will not accept as trade ins are leased phones.
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So I'm curious what happens if you have a leased phone. Do they just not accept it and then charge your card for what you weren't charged at time of checkout?