Wanted to start a thread to discuss any success or stories about using your XZ1 on T-Mobile USA with VoLTE or WiFi calling? Anyone got a chance to buy the phone and try it out on T-Mobile USA? lets keep the chatter to minimum of facts and real feedback of users experience and not (it should work, or in theory it should work, or even Sony said it will work). I am looking for real user experiences on their personal phones running VoLTE on T-Mobile USA.
I read on the Verge that only the Compact would come compatible with T-Mobile's VoLTE and Wifi Calling. I don't know why that is nor how it makes any sense (considering they're pretty identical). I can confirm at least that neither VoLTE nor Wifi Calling works on AT&T...not that I ever expected it to be otherwise.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/31/16228234/sony-xperia-xz1-xz1-compact-android-oreo-ifa-2017
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XZ1 Dual is already available to buy at Amazon and it looks like few people already jumped ship according to
https://www.reddit.com/r/SonyXperia/comments/70ac8s/international_xperia_xz1s_have_hit_amazon/
I have asked if anyone can provide status update with tmobile volte once they receive it.
so far, no confirmation from any real user experience that XZ1 actually works with T-Mobile USA VoLTE. I have reviewed the reddit discussion, again, no confirmation there as well.
Have not seen "Customized US" region firmware appear for XZ1 Dual (G8342) in https://xpericheck.com/ so i am a bit skeptic about what version is sold on amazon.
Customized US firmware is needed for sure for VoLTE/VoWIFI to work without root.
Can a different region firmware flashed without root?
Stefanos1999 said:
Can a different region firmware flashed without root?
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Yes, via Newlasher tool https://forum.xda-developers.com/cr...gress-newflasher-xperia-command-line-t3619426
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Yes, via Newlasher tool https://forum.xda-developers.com/cr...gress-newflasher-xperia-command-line-t3619426
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Can the dual sim variant 8342 be flashed with a single sim 8341 firmware? Of course 2nd sim capability will be lost.
can we please keep this thread to talk about users experience with XZ1 on T-Mobile rather than loading builds.
I just spoke to T-Mobile's Tech Dept and they really have no clue if it's VoLTE-certified or not. Since the majority of online publications say it isn't and only the XZ1 Compact is, I'm going to assume it's not. Guess I'm sticking with my HTC 10 a little longer then! lol
Agree, seems Sony did it again by limiting their unlocked phones to work only on handful of networks.
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Agree, seems Sony did it again by limiting their unlocked phones to work only on handful of networks.
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Yeah. They're slowly getting back on track again, considering that XZ1 has excellent battery life (82 endurance hours on GSM Arena, "Excellent" rating on Phone Arena), HDR screen, improved audio from what I'm understanding (though I'm still THOROUGHLY researching that lol), metal unibody is awesome (enough with glass backs! lol), and at least certifying VoLTE for the unlocked XZ1 Compact (it's a start, I guess lol)...........it seems they are getting their sh*t together. So hopefully in 2018 we'll see them quit playin' around like dummies and do EVERYTHING right, not just a few things.
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Yeah. They're slowly getting back on track again, considering that XZ1 has excellent battery life (82 endurance hours on GSM Arena, "Excellent" rating on Phone Arena), HDR screen, improved audio from what I'm understanding (though I'm still THOROUGHLY researching that lol), metal unibody is awesome (enough with glass backs! lol), and at least certifying VoLTE for the unlocked XZ1 Compact (it's a start, I guess lol)...........it seems they are getting their sh*t together. So hopefully in 2018 we'll see them quit playin' around like dummies and do EVERYTHING right, not just a few things.
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(enough with glass backs! lol)
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Aww, man! You sure? You don't want the iPhone X? Haha, I think it's funny apple is switching back after the monster failure of the 4s's glass back.
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at least certifying VoLTE for the unlocked XZ1 Compact (it's a start, I guess lol)
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This is very much up for debate, as you said your representative wasn't sure, but said maybe the Compact only? I am talking to a rep now (have been for near a half hour or longer), the initial person didn't know (they kept saying "the SIM card will work in an unlocked Sony phone", which is not the full answer to my/our question here). After much discussion, the initial rep basically said they don't know, but in theory (I know we don't want theories here, so this isn't too helpful, but my experience...) it should work, although, it hadn't been tested by t-mobile themselves or something, so they couldn't guarantee it. I found this site "spectrumgateway" ( then navigate to the "Devices compatible with Extended Range LTE") [sorry, I can't post actual links yet]. This webpage lists the XZ1 and XZ1 Compact under the "may work" category. If you notice, the page also says to try to contact t-mobile/the t-mobile community if you happen to test one of the "maybe" phones, as they're "maybe" because t-mobile doesn't know and hasn't tried (but in theory should be compatible). So, I really think those third party articles have no idea what they're talking about and t-mobile seems to have no idea if the new sony phones will actually work, in reality.
After more talking to the initial rep, he goes and grabs someone else (I don't know who? maybe a supervisor?). This person does not seem to know either. They've both claimed wifi calling should work fine on the unlocked/VZW iphone 5s i currently have, which is completely not the case. So, who knows?
RockStar2005 said:
So hopefully in 2018 we'll see them quit playin' around like dummies and do EVERYTHING right, not just a few things
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I think I thought that to myself 6 months ago with the XZs came out, then a year ago when the XZ came out, and even a year before that too. Not sure I am going to hold my breath anymore.
Edit 1: Okay, after rounding out my conversation with the supervisor... they basically determined that they cannot guarantee the XZ1/XZ1 Compact will even work (although, per the third parties info/specs (Sony), it *should*) and no one has tested it for sure (and it doesn't sound like they plan on it, themselves, so it's up to consumers, I guess). That all said, I still wouldn't be surprised if wifi calling, hd voice, volte, etc. didn't work. The supervisor directed me to t-mobile's support page, where I searched an article called "Wi-Fi Calling" from t-mobile (it was the third result for me, dunno for others) [again, sorry, I can't link]. It's more or less a page on their wi-fi calling policies and how to use it and such, but may be useful.
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Aww, man! You sure? You don't want the iPhone X? Haha, I think it's funny apple is switching back after the monster failure of the 4s's glass back.
This is very much up for debate, as you said your representative wasn't sure, but said maybe the Compact only? I am talking to a rep now (have been for near a half hour or longer), the initial person didn't know (they kept saying "the SIM card will work in an unlocked Sony phone", which is not the full answer to my/our question here). After much discussion, the initial rep basically said they don't know, but in theory (I know we don't want theories here, so this isn't too helpful, but my experience...) it should work, although, it hadn't been tested by t-mobile themselves or something, so they couldn't guarantee it. I found this site "spectrumgateway" ( then navigate to the "Devices compatible with Extended Range LTE") [sorry, I can't post actual links yet]. This webpage lists the XZ1 and XZ1 Compact under the "may work" category. If you notice, the page also says to try to contact t-mobile/the t-mobile community if you happen to test one of the "maybe" phones, as they're "maybe" because t-mobile doesn't know and hasn't tried (but in theory should be compatible). So, I really think those third party articles have no idea what they're talking about and t-mobile seems to have no idea if the new sony phones will actually work, in reality.
After more talking to the initial rep, he goes and grabs someone else (I don't know who? maybe a supervisor?). This person does not seem to know either. They've both claimed wifi calling should work fine on the unlocked/VZW iphone 5s i currently have, which is completely not the case. So, who knows?
I think I thought that to myself 6 months ago with the XZs came out, then a year ago when the XZ came out, and even a year before that too. Not sure I am going to hold my breath anymore.
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I respect Apple iPhones, but I prefer the freedom of Android. lol
No it's NOT a maybe for the XZ1 Compact being T-Mobile VoLTE-certified. ALL online publications indicate the XZ1 Compact will have it. Only like ONE (Android Headlines) said it was both, but I think they jumped the gun by assuming something that should've been the case anyway but wasn't. A rep with who, Sony? Or T-Mobile? Cuz if it's T-Mo I already went that route with both customer service and their tech dept.
Yeah Spectrum Gateway wasn't sure and it turns out it's only the XZ1 Compact. I wanted to contact them but they didn't put a "Contact Us" page on their site. Dumb. lol I have their page bookmarked, so actually 2 sites say both have it, but if you click on their "source link" for that info, it takes you to...........Android Headlines. lol
At this point I believe the XZ1 Compact got certified, and the XZ1 didn't. Until someone can prove that wrong, I'm not going to dispute it. So that's that.
Sony has made like its best phone yet in the XZ1 IMO, but this is unacceptable. I have faith though that they will come around with their head FULLY out of their a$$ by 2018 though. The XZ1 Compact is a great buy though. If it only had a bigger screen, then it would basically BE the XZ1 since they both have the 835. Not sure on body of XZ1 Compact though, but it p's me off b/c I've been waiting for an all metal-unibody Xperia phone. And now we got one, but it turns out to be a dud in one major way (no VoLTE). I get Band 12 in my area now, so VoLTE is a MUST for me. When I didn't have it before I didn't care, but it just got put up and activated in my area (Chicago) about 2-3 months ago. And you need VoLTE to use it on T-Mo's network since they require certification, so yeah. It's a pass for me, unfortunately. And unfortunately for Sony too.
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I respect Apple iPhones, but I prefer the freedom of Android. lol
No it's NOT a maybe for the XZ1 Compact being T-Mobile VoLTE-certified. ALL online publications indicate the XZ1 Compact will have it. Only like ONE (Android Headlines) said it was both, but I think they jumped the gun by assuming something that should've been the case anyway but wasn't. A rep with who, Sony? Or T-Mobile? Cuz if it's T-Mo I already went that route with both customer service and their tech dept.
Yeah Spectrum Gateway wasn't sure and it turns out it's only the XZ1 Compact. I wanted to contact them but they didn't put a "Contact Us" page on their site. Dumb. lol I have their page bookmarked, so actually 2 sites say both have it, but if you click on their "source link" for that info, it takes you to...........Android Headlines. lol
At this point I believe the XZ1 Compact got certified, and the XZ1 didn't. Until someone can prove that wrong, I'm not going to dispute it. So that's that.
Sony has made like its best phone yet in the XZ1 IMO, but this is unacceptable. I have faith though that they will come around with their head FULLY out of their a$$ by 2018 though. The XZ1 Compact is a great buy though. If it only had a bigger screen, then it would basically BE the XZ1 since they both have the 835. Not sure on body of XZ1 Compact though, but it p's me off b/c I've been waiting for an all metal-unibody Xperia phone. And now we got one, but it turns out to be a dud in one major way (no VoLTE). I get Band 12 in my area now, so VoLTE is a MUST for me. When I didn't have it before I didn't care, but it just got put up and activated in my area (Chicago) about 2-3 months ago. And you need VoLTE to use it on T-Mo's network since they require certification, so yeah. It's a pass for me, unfortunately. And unfortunately for Sony too.
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I respect Apple iPhones, but I prefer the freedom of Android. lol
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I feel ya, apple iphones are generally fairly quality. Sorry, I shouldn't have ragged on them. I have just had mine for a while and am ready to switch (back -- its been *years*, so not sure you could even say 'back' anymore lol) to android.
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No it's NOT a maybe for the XZ1 Compact being T-Mobile VoLTE-certified. ALL online publications indicate the XZ1 Compact will have it. Only like ONE (Android Headlines) said it was both, but I think they jumped the gun by assuming something that should've been the case anyway but wasn't.
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I know, but these are all third party articles. I presented many to both the t-mobile rep and the t-mobile rep's supervisor, to which they both said those articles could be wrong and t-mobile isn't endorsing any of them or anything. That's why I said it should work (but I think people want real tests here?), but t-mobile said they would not guarantee either phone working despite all the articles (to which I said, they needa get out a statement then or something to correct any misinformation before tmo ends up with a lotta upset sony users on their hands, but thats another topic).
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A rep with who, Sony? Or T-Mobile? Cuz if it's T-Mo I already went that route with both customer service and their tech dept.
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T-mobile. They told me the opposite of what you got told, by the end, at least (before the end of our conversation they had opinions and "answers" all over the board, many of which I think were misleading/incorrect, so maybe what they told me about the XZ1/XZ1 compact was incorrect too). I'm not trying to argue or anything, just reporting my experience.
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Yeah Spectrum Gateway wasn't sure and it turns out it's only the XZ1 Compact. I wanted to contact them but they didn't put a "Contact Us" page on their site. Dumb.
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I think it says just post on r/android? Lol
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lol I have their page bookmarked, so actually 2 sites say both have it, but if you click on their "source link" for that info, it takes you to...........Android Headlines. lol
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Yeah, I had come across the spectrum page before, but somehow missed the XZ1 stuff (and links) further down, so I was like "OH!? Did it get it added? ...Oh? It's a "maybe"? Well, let's click this link.... Aww! man! full circle!" -- Lol, maybe, it's like a information source loop? The entire internet thinks Sony phones work on tmobile usa because two websites basically quoted each other? xD Just kidding.
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At this point I believe the XZ1 Compact got certified, and the XZ1 didn't. Until someone can prove that wrong, I'm not going to dispute it. So that's that.
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Yeah, I think I am siding with you at this point. T-Mobile wouldn't confirm either for me, but I think you're coming to the right conclusion based on what I've seen (if I had to guess).
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I have faith though that they will come around with their head FULLY out of their a$$ by 2018 though
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Maybe. Although, each year, my theory that they consider the U.S. an "already lost to competitors" cell-phone market and just don't care creeps more and more into my mind.
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The XZ1 Compact is a great buy though.
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I've been waiting for an all metal-unibody
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I like "smaller" phones, so I was kind of actually eyeing the compact. Although, I do agree, a metal body would be cool (but, I don't think the compact is as "plasticy" this time around? Idk, Sony says the material is some material hybrid or something (as many manufactures say. I think a lotta times they just make up cool sounding names for their epoxy recipes, lol, maybe next time... = "Mithril! Unibody"! "OOOOhhhh!!!! Ahhhh!!!!!" ? I also like that, despite the XZ1 being larger overall, it is thinner, making it easier and more comfortable to slip into a pant pocket or whatever.
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I feel ya, apple iphones are generally fairly quality. Sorry, I shouldn't have ragged on them. I have just had mine for a while and am ready to switch (back -- its been *years*, so not sure you could even say 'back' anymore lol) to android.
I know, but these are all third party articles. I presented many to both the t-mobile rep and the t-mobile rep's supervisor, to which they both said those articles could be wrong and t-mobile isn't endorsing any of them or anything. That's why I said it should work (but I think people want real tests here?), but t-mobile said they would not guarantee either phone working despite all the articles (to which I said, they needa get out a statement then or something to correct any misinformation before tmo ends up with a lotta upset sony users on their hands, but thats another topic).
T-mobile. They told me the opposite of what you got told, by the end, at least (before the end of our conversation they had opinions and "answers" all over the board, many of which I think were misleading/incorrect, so maybe what they told me about the XZ1/XZ1 compact was incorrect too). I'm not trying to argue or anything, just reporting my experience.
I think it says just post on r/android? Lol
Yeah, I had come across the spectrum page before, but somehow missed the XZ1 stuff (and links) further down, so I was like "OH!? Did it get it added? ...Oh? It's a "maybe"? Well, let's click this link.... Aww! man! full circle!" -- Lol, maybe, it's like a information source loop? The entire internet thinks Sony phones work on tmobile usa because two websites basically quoted each other? xD Just kidding.
Yeah, I think I am siding with you at this point. T-Mobile wouldn't confirm either for me, but I think you're coming to the right conclusion based on what I've seen (if I had to guess).
Maybe. Although, each year, my theory that they consider the U.S. an "already lost to competitors" cell-phone market and just don't care creeps more and more into my mind.
I like "smaller" phones, so I was kind of actually eyeing the compact. Although, I do agree, a metal body would be cool (but, I don't think the compact is as "plasticy" this time around? Idk, Sony says the material is some material hybrid or something (as many manufactures say. I think a lotta times they just make up cool sounding names for their epoxy recipes, lol, maybe next time... = "Mithril! Unibody"! "OOOOhhhh!!!! Ahhhh!!!!!" ? I also like that, despite the XZ1 being larger overall, it is thinner, making it easier and more comfortable to slip into a pant pocket or whatever.
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Well I didn't take any offense to the Apple thing, just sayin' for the MOST part they are pretty reliable, even if they do seem to usually get features Androids had for years kinda late. lol
Yeah but in my experience, the T-Mo reps don't usually keep up with current info, unless OF COURSE it's Samsung or Apple-related. lol
They won't put out a statement cuz it's not Apple or Samsung. Or LG or Motorola. lol
Well it sounds like they told u the same thing they told me: they weren't sure. lol So until I see some real credible proof, I'm not gonna assume the XZ1 will have VoLTE on T-Mo. The XZ1 though I feel very confident will. It's one thing for 1 credible site to get it wrong. It's another thing for 4-5 sites to though. lol Even Android Headlines said BOTH, so it still was saying the XZ1 Compact was getting it as well.
Yeah..........well Spectrum was quoting Android Headlines, not really the other way around. If you can reach Spectrum and tell them to remove it from their site, that would be good.
Yes, they did make a comment last year about "pulling back" from certain countries, including the U.S. However, the fact that they certified VoLTE with T-Mo for the XZ1 and are making some of their best phones yet might mean MORE positive change is coming? Or maybe it's just wishful thinking for me?
I only like Sony and HTC phones for the most part. Samsung to me is OVERRATED AS F and I'm actually basing that off my experience with TWO of their phones (S5 & S7), both of which I did not enjoy owning, aside from Samsung Pay. lol Motorola..........I think they only work on Verizon right? LG seems to have really outdone itself on the vastly superior (in like EVERY category, including audio especially) V30, but it's still a phablet, and I am NOT a phablet guy. The XZ Premium though I saw in my local Best Buy a couple weeks ago. I don't care too much about screens, but MY GOD that phone was MAGNIFICENT! lol I mean my jaw dropped when I saw that screen. And the back side is the classiest and nicest looking ever on an Xperia phone that I've ever seen. I really prefer metal unibodies over glass-backed phones these days, but that phone was just stunning. And that was upscaled 4K HDR that I saw. Didn't even pull up any 4K HDR content, but I will if I go back. But that phone doesn't have VoLTE for T-Mo customers, so no way I'd buy it just on that. If it did though I'd maybe bite the bullet. But yeah, I want them to stick around, but also BE BETTER too. Since Google just bought HTC, we have no idea for sure how HTC's future phones are gonna be, and if they'll ever go back to non-phablet flagships like my 10. Sony at least seems to be offering not only the headphone jack still, but they also are still offering non-phablet flagships like the XZ1 as well fortunately. So I just want them to keep getting better and not stupider. lol
Well if you wanted the Compact, then you might as well get it, since it will have VoLTE too. Yeah the body is a plastic/metal (one site said "glass-infused" too? lol) one, the front camera is slightly less good, and the screen is smaller & 720p, but all the other specs are the same, EVEN (and oddly) the battery size too! lol
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can we please keep this thread to talk about users experience with XZ1 on T-Mobile.
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Yes, please.
I ordered my XZ1 G8342 on ebay. Should be here Monday at latest or saturday (crossing fingers). I'll be sure to upload some videos and keep everyone posted. I had the x compact and experience using flashtool as well.
Tmobile told me that if the phone doesnt have VoLTE, you may not be able to use LTE while on a call and may take a minute to get LTE active after a call.
We shall see
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I ordered my XZ1 G8342 on ebay. Should be here Monday at latest or saturday (crossing fingers). I'll be sure to upload some videos and keep everyone posted. I had the x compact and experience using flashtool as well.
Tmobile told me that if the phone doesnt have VoLTE, you may not be able to use LTE while on a call and may take a minute to get LTE active after a call.
We shall see
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The big issue with not having VoLTE on T-Mo (who I also have) is that you can't use Band 12 (aka 700 MHz), which is becoming more and more prominent. It reaches out much farther than their other bands (2 & 4), and is 4 times better at penetrating buildings as well.
Yeah keep us posted man! With pics too. Thanks.
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The big issue with not having VoLTE on T-Mo (who I also have) is that you can't use Band 12 (aka 700 MHz), which is becoming more and more prominent. It reaches out much farther than their other bands (2 & 4), and is 4 times better at penetrating buildings as well.
Yeah keep us posted man! With pics too. Thanks.
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Trust me, I sure will. Will see if band 12 is being used.
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Hello all - this is a great resource for new PPC phone users like me and thanks in advance for all that I have been able to learn here in the past few days. I do have a question for those "in the know" though. I have heard rumors, seen the VZW powerpoint presentation on Engadget, etc. concerning the update to WM6.1, Rev A, and activating the GPS chip on the VX6800. Seems though it's overdue given the late May 08 date indicated on Engadget. I want to start customizing the interface on my phone but don't want to have to find that what I do now is not compatible with 6.1. Also, I know that I could update now using a custom rom but if an official one is coming out, I would rather wait.
So, the question is if VZW is ever going to update the VX6800 and if so, will it be within the next month or so? I know this question probably is not answerable with an certainity but I will be happy for those that have been on the "scene" longer than I have to speculate. If it appears that an update is not immenient or coming at all, I will just go the custom rom route.
Thanks,
Les
VX6800 On Verizon
Stock (for the time being)
Just take the plunge.... Verizon is always very late to market with updates to their phones..... If they even update it at all.... Your phone can be updated to the official ROM if it ever does come out....
Hello all - this is a great resource for new PPC phone users like me and thanks in advance for all that I have been able to learn here in the past few days. I do have a question for those "in the know" though. I have heard rumors, seen the VZW powerpoint presentation on Engadget, etc. concerning the update to WM6.1, Rev A, and activating the GPS chip on the VX6800. Seems though it's overdue given the late May 08 date indicated on Engadget. I want to start customizing the interface on my phone but don't want to have to find that what I do now is not compatible with 6.1. Also, I know that I could update now using a custom rom but if an official one is coming out, I would rather wait.
So, the question is if VZW is ever going to update the VX6800 and if so, will it be within the next month or so? I know this question probably is not answerable with an certainity but I will be happy for those that have been on the "scene" longer than I have to speculate. If it appears that an update is not immenient or coming at all, I will just go the custom rom route.
Thanks,
Les
VX6800 On Verizon
Stock (for the time being)
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I have been on and off the phone with HTC, UTStarcom, and Verizon for the past 3 months regarding this issue. At first, Verizon kept saying they knew nothing about an update or if there was going to be an update. Both HTC and UTStarcom informed me there was an update coming and it should be here by end of Q2. Finally, 2 weeks ago, I spoke with a WDTS tech from Verizon, who confirmed that there was indeed an update and it would be out by the end of Q2. He said it was going to update to RevA and VZNavigator (GPS). He said nothing about 6.1. This was the first time someone from Verizon knew anything about an update, nevermind when it was going to be released. It is the end of Q2, and still nothing. So I don't know what to tell you.
THAT BEING SAID....
I strongly recommend using a custom rom regardless whether an update is released or not. I am hoping they release an update merely for the fact that with an update brings new drivers, new OEM packages, new radio etc. that can be taken and applied to a custom rom. Custom roms are 99% of the time better than stock roms. My advice to you would be to update now to the latest rom/radio. If a VZW update comes out, you know we'll be on it like flies on **** and ready to apply all the goodies from it to a new custom rom.
GC
New ROM will be nice to potentially get Verizon aGPS settings as well.. vznavigator gets locks INSTANTLY so it will be interesting to see how they implement this on the wm devices... I know they already have it released for the palm so it's possible this may be causing the delay...
The short answer is... NO.
Verizon is very unlikely to ever release a ROM update for the XV6800.
The stores are already pushing the XV6900 over the Titan, and with the upcoming release of the Samsung i770, and Treo 800, it's entirely possible this phone wont be available much longer. In fact, my local store in Santa Monica, CA does not even have the XV6800 on display anymore.
The short answer is... NO.
Verizon is very unlikely to ever release a ROM update for the XV6800.
The stores are already pushing the XV6900 over the Titan, and with the upcoming release of the Samsung i770, and Treo 800, it's entirely possible this phone wont be available much longer. In fact, my local store in Santa Monica, CA does not even have the XV6800 on display anymore.
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This is not accurate information. Just because another phone model comes out does not necessarily mean all support is stopped for a previous one. The Apache was finally issued an update even though it was "outdated" as you're referring to. Like I said, I've spoken with several people in high positions from all 3 companies...not just dumbass customer service reps. The Vogue is a completely different phone than the Titan and just because it's been released after, and salespeople are trying to "push" it does not mean the Titan is obsolete. The Titan will be "outdated" when the Herman is released.
If you're going to post, provide solid factual proof and not just stipulation.
GC... you're right, I should have made it more clear thats my opinion, not a fact.
But your point about the update for the XV6700 is also important, because it took them SO long to release that update, it was pretty irrelevant to a lot of people by the time it came out. Granted, its better than nothing, but I was more generalizing about the fact that Verizon has historically had pretty crappy support for their phones after release. Whereas other carriers continue to update their existing product line with new firmware, software and other updates, Verizon tries to push a brand new phone on their customers instead.
And of course, I 100% agree with going the custom ROM route. Even if Verizon did issue a brand new ROM today, I would probably wait a few days, let DCD / no2chem, etc.. work their magic and make tons of improvements, and go with their product over whatever Verizon does.
But your point about the update for the XV6700 is also important, because it took them SO long to release that update, it was pretty irrelevant to a lot of people by the time it came out. Granted, its better than nothing, but I was more generalizing about the fact that Verizon has historically had pretty crappy support for their phones after release. Whereas other carriers continue to update their existing product line with new firmware, software and other updates, Verizon tries to push a brand new phone on their customers instead.
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Oh, I completely agree with you that Verizon is at the bottom of the list when it comes to supporting their products. There's no excuse for it. Sprint is coming up on two substantial rom updates, and Verizon hasn't provided its customers with anything. You can all be assured though that as long as I'm still breathing, I am not going to stop bugging them about it. Even if it does nothing, their people will have to put up with me annoying them about it every week until the Herman is released.
September?
I spoke with a Verizon Wireless Rep out in Boston, MA who said that in September an upgrade for the XV6800 would come out with VZNavigator in it. Everyone knows how this speculation works though....we can only hope.
I spoke with a Verizon Wireless Rep out in Boston, MA who said that in September an upgrade for the XV6800 would come out with VZNavigator in it. Everyone knows how this speculation works though....we can only hope.
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Hehe..must have been the same guy I talk to
I posted in the wrong thread, so since I'm already here I'll comment.
Even though Verizon is always way late to the party on devices, its not unusual for them to release one update during the life of the device. Even the samsung i730, which was an orphan from almost day one, received an official update from WM2003se to WM5, about a year after release. So that's my guess, the end of the year for a software/os update, unless the geniuses decide that pocket pc users will, for some reason, pay for navigation. Then you might see it earlier.
IMO, despite the criticism of Verizon, its not fair to compare to Sprint, since they rushed out the Mogul, and took a ton of complaints on how poorly it functioned. They were forced to put out the first update. So as far as I'm concerned, its only one real update that's come out. The xv6800 worked much better out of the box.
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Oh, I completely agree with you that Verizon is at the bottom of the list when it comes to supporting their products. There's no excuse for it. Sprint is coming up on two substantial rom updates, and Verizon hasn't provided its customers with anything. You can all be assured though that as long as I'm still breathing, I am not going to stop bugging them about it. Even if it does nothing, their people will have to put up with me annoying them about it every week until the Herman is released.
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HTC Herman is the TMobile Wing right?
IMO, despite the criticism of Verizon, its not fair to compare to Sprint, since they rushed out the Mogul, and took a ton of complaints on how poorly it functioned. They were forced to put out the first update. So as far as I'm concerned, its only one real update that's come out. The xv6800 worked much better out of the box.
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I'm not talking about the crappy update to the stock rom.
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Haha no no. HTC Herman is your beloved Touch Pro.
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I'm not talking about the crappy update to the stock rom.
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Haha no no. HTC Herman is your beloved Touch Pro.
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Couldn't find that anywhere; googling HTC Herman brings up an expired craigslist listing for a Wing he erroneously calls the HTC Herman.
I am disappointed by a few things on the Touch Pro (biggest is the roller, battery, processor, there was something else I've forgotten), but the RAM and sleek look (VGA), are really tempting.
Couldn't find that anywhere; googling HTC Herman brings up an expired craigslist listing for a Wing he erroneously calls the HTC Herman.
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Yeah you probably won't see it for a while. It's the CDMA Touch Pro, as the HTC Victor is the CDMA Diamond.
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Yeah you probably won't see it for a while. It's the CDMA Touch Pro, as the HTC Victor is the CDMA Diamond.
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The Victor will probably be my next phone. 4GB internal, 196MB RAM, 3D graphics processor, HSDPA broadband internet collection, 3.2 mp auto-focus camera. Still will miss the roller on the side, but it doesn't seem any of the new models will have that anymore. Oh well.
The Victor will probably be my next phone. 4GB internal, 196MB RAM, 3D graphics processor, HSDPA broadband internet collection, 3.2 mp auto-focus camera. Still will miss the roller on the side, but it doesn't seem any of the new models will have that anymore. Oh well.
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HSDPA broadband internet connection on Verizon huh? Let me know when that happens
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HSDPA broadband internet connection on Verizon huh? Let me know when that happens
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True... may never happen, but would be nice to have if they start taking care of their business customers.
Do you guys ever think about changing to Sprint or other company? For my area, coverage sux bad for other providers. If they paid for your changeover charge would you switch?
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True... may never happen, but would be nice to have if they start taking care of their business customers.
Do you guys ever think about changing to Sprint or other company? For my area, coverage sux bad for other providers. If they paid for your changeover charge would you switch?
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Sprint has horrible service in central ohio or I would definately consider it... esp for SERO.
True... may never happen, but would be nice to have if they start taking care of their business customers.
Do you guys ever think about changing to Sprint or other company? For my area, coverage sux bad for other providers. If they paid for your changeover charge would you switch?
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HSDPA is GSM 3.5G data. Verizon is CDMA. You will never see HSDPA with Verizon. In the future, they're going LTE like AT&T, but you will never see HSDPA.
I'm posting this here because the Note II is a prime example, but we could also look to the Galaxy Nexus, which is two software versions behind and can't really even be called a Nexus at this point.
I helped my boss set up a Note II and was showing him some features I thought he would like. The first one was the "blocking mode" (do not disturb), which my AT&T model has, as does the International model. It was absent. It first, I thought I just wasn't seeing it or it was moved, but a google search confirmed my fears. I learned later that Verizon removed this because they have a competing service.
Then, I was looking for the S Planner widget (the full screen calendar version) because, as an executive, it was a good fit for him. It was also missing. I'm still baffled by that one.
There is also the branding, including the home button. Verizon seems to treat their phones like Stock Cars these days. The bloat, the missing features (HTC Hub on HTC devices), the numerous modifications, etc.
AT&T is far from perfect. They put a lot of bloat on their phones. But out of all of the Android phones I have bought in the last few years (since they restored "unknown Sources"), I have not noticed them actually removing a lot of features. They did remove screen modes from their version of the GSIII, which was confusing, but otherwise they have just been content with adding bloat that you can disable.
I know Verizon has great coverage, but does it ever really bother you that they remove/modify so much functionality on the phone? Sound off in my poll. I'm curious if I'm the only one who hates Verizon for this. To me, it wouldn't even feel like my phone. It would feel like Verizon's.
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Removed features (blocking mode, S Planner Widget)
Nascar envy (Logos everywhere)
Severely delayed updates
It sucks but what you gonna do, you know? It's VZW.
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Use to bother me until I learned to unlock and root. Had the gnex prior to the GN II and actually forgot what stock was like until I had to re lock and unroot to sell it. Forgot how limited the phone was.
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Use to bother me until I learned to unlock and root. Had the gnex prior to the GN II and actually forgot what stock was like until I had to re lock and unroot to sell it. Forgot how limited the phone was.
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Doesn't it say something when the first thing you have to do with your new phone is root it and install your own software, though?
I just bought an Optimus G from AT&T. It had a lot of bloat, but I disabled it all and I'm happy with it otherwise. At least all of the intended features are there.
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I'm posting this here because the Note II is a prime example, but we could also look to the Galaxy Nexus, which is two software versions behind and can't really even be called a Nexus at this point.
I helped my boss set up a Note II and was showing him some features I thought he would like. The first one was the "blocking mode" (do not disturb), which my AT&T model has, as does the International model. It was absent. It first, I thought I just wasn't seeing it or it was moved, but a google search confirmed my fears. I learned later that Verizon removed this because they have a competing service.
Then, I was looking for the S Planner widget (the full screen calendar version) because, as an executive, it was a good fit for him. It was also missing. I'm still baffled by that one.
There is also the branding, including the home button. Verizon seems to treat their phones like Stock Cars these days. The bloat, the missing features (HTC Hub on HTC devices), the numerous modifications, etc.
AT&T is far from perfect. They put a lot of bloat on their phones. But out of all of the Android phones I have bought in the last few years (since they restored "unknown Sources"), I have not noticed them actually removing a lot of features. They did remove screen modes from their version of the GSIII, which was confusing, but otherwise they have just been content with adding bloat that you can disable.
I know Verizon has great coverage, but does it ever really bother you that they remove/modify so much functionality on the phone? Sound off in my poll. I'm curious if I'm the only one who hates Verizon for this. To me, it wouldn't even feel like my phone. It would feel like Verizon's.
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Going off of your list, because yeah it was tl;dr:
Splanner widget might just be broken (its in the rom). Blocking mode doesn't work on Verizon (afaik).
Logos do suck. Samsung is slow on updates already.
Also, I compiled 4.2.1 for my Gnex. I still call it a Nexus.
You know what, I use to be a strong and proud supporter of VZW. I've been with this company for over 10 years now and over the last 5 years i have progressively become more and more displeased with my service. Yes there coverage is the best in the nation. However, in my case i live in NJ, all 4 major cell phone providers cover the entire state of NJ. I hardly ever leave this state unless its going to one of the surrounding cities (NYC PHL DC) and those places are all covered by all major cellphone providers.
With all the limitations VZW puts on the phones, I do believe I will be changing carriers in 2 years (as i just upgraded both my lines tot he note 2). As of now, i want to kick my own butt for upgrading/extending my contract i should of switched when i had the chance.
I get what your saying and it pissed me off on those same exact points. I decided to live with it because I would have rooted for other mods anyway eventually, but probably not as fast. I couldn't wait to get the note 2 and decided to upgrade instead of waiting a few months and going to another carrier. Since this phone is worldwide I'm not worried about updates. I just won't be waiting for Verizon. I think I'll be content for longer with this phone and when I want the next big thing I'll wait till my contract is completely up and switch carriers. Sprint just got lte here so maybe it will be mature in a couple years.
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Do you hate what AT&T does to your phones? My phone came with multi-window and didn't need to wait for an update to enable it. Maybe you should go complain to AT&T for not giving you multi-window at launch.
S-Planner, as mentioned is in the ROM, but not functional, and blocking mode, even when enabled, doesn't work. It's entirely possible that with an OTA, S-Planner will be fixed. Blocking mode may be network related. You know, since AT&T is GSM and Verizon is CDMA, but I doubt you've given that any thought.
Also, delayed updates? Yes, the Nexus has delayed updates, but it is still ahead of most other devices. Also, how long does AT&T take to update phones? You don't have a lot of room to talk there because they aren't so great in that department themselves. How long did the Infuse 4G take to get Gingerbread?
Does it suck, a little bit, but it's nothing to go and create a whining post about, especially if you don't even own the phone.
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Do you hate what AT&T does to your phones? My phone came with multi-window and didn't need to wait for an update to enable it. Maybe you should go complain to AT&T for not giving you multi-window at launch.
S-Planner, as mentioned is in the ROM, but not functional, and blocking mode, even when enabled, doesn't work. It's entirely possible that with an OTA, S-Planner will be fixed. Blocking mode may be network related. You know, since AT&T is GSM and Verizon is CDMA, but I doubt you've given that any thought.
Also, delayed updates? Yes, the Nexus has delayed updates, but it is still ahead of most other devices. Also, how long does AT&T take to update phones? You don't have a lot of room to talk there because they aren't so great in that department themselves. How long did the Infuse 4G take to get Gingerbread?
Does it suck, a little bit, but it's nothing to go and create a whining post about, especially if you don't even own the phone.
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Okay, you need to chill out. This isn't a "Verizon vs AT&T" thread. I acknowledged that AT&T was far from perfect. It is my opinion, however, that Verizon has been much worse in this area lately. My experience being based on several years of service with both providers.
My role in my company puts me in a unique position to use phones from all of the carriers, so yes, I do have room to talk. I also have years of experience in mobility. I'm not "whining". I was asking for feedback from the community.
I suggest you check your attitude. This thread wasn't a personal attack against you or any other Verizon customer.
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Okay, you need to chill out. This isn't a "Vegas rizon vs AT&T" thread. I acknowledged that AT&T was far from perfect. It is my opinion, however, that Verizon has been much worse in this area lately. My experience being based on several years of service with both providers.
My role in my company puts me in a unique position to use phones from all of the carriers, so yes, I do have room to talk. I also have years of experience in mobility. I'm not "whining". I was asking for feedback from the community.
I suggest you check your attitude. This thread wasn't a personal attack against you or any other Verizon customer.
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At least Verizon has never disabled sideloading. Carriers suck. All of them.
My post wasn't a personal attack, and really has the same basic tone as your OP. Your OP is essentially "VZW sux, let's all go to AT&T", I'm pointing out that AT&T isn't really all that much better, but you don't see people coming into AT&T forums and saying "AT&T sux, lets go to VZW". You pointed out a bunch of faults with Verizon, but seem to forget issues with AT&T. Their track record for OTA updates isn't that much better than VZW, significantly worse in some instances. How about network coverage? They do a good job of screwing their users on plans and plan features too. Your phone supports video chat over cellular, but your data plan doesn't. How is that different from removing/limiting software? Maybe I'll go create a thread in the AT&T Note 2 forum to voice all my complaints with AT&T service then...
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My post wasn't a personal attack, and really has the same basic tone as your OP. Your OP is essentially "VZW sux, let's all go to AT&T", I'm pointing out that AT&T isn't really all that much better, but you don't see people coming into AT&T forums and saying "AT&T sux, lets go to VZW". You pointed out a bunch of faults with Verizon, but seem to forget issues with AT&T. Their track record for OTA updates isn't that much better than VZW, significantly worse in some instances. How about network coverage? They do a good job of screwing their users on plans and plan features too. Your phone supports video chat over cellular, but your data plan doesn't. How is that different from removing/limiting software? Maybe I'll go create a thread in the AT&T Note 2 forum to voice all my complaints with AT&T service then...
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No, YOU INTERPRETED my thread as "VZW sux, let's all go to AT&T". You should probably take a moment to recognize that.
I'm not advocating for any carrier. I would prefer unlocked devices, if not for the lack of LTE. When AT&T had side-loading blocked, I hated them for it and yes, the Facetime over Cellular was a dik move, too.
But I also love Smartphones and these days, AT&T does much less damage to the device than Verizon (T-Mobile and Sprint treat them the best) and it's something I'm hoping that AT&T doesn't suddenly decide is okay (again).
Getting my hands on the Verizon Note II really drove it all home for me, thus my post here in the Verizon Note forums asking how other users felt about it.
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In regards to this list
Dont care cause I wouldnt use these things.
the home button logo is annoying
AOSP roms are better than stock anyway.
Coverage and reliability of the network far outweigh the downside of an annoying logo. I wanted to switch to Tmobile cause of their pricing but tried a month and coverage was simply not good enough. Friends in my area that have ATT and Sprint complain about coverage all the time. In the end I agree with Adryn. All the carriers blow donkey. For me the least of the evils is VZW.
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No, YOU INTERPRETED my thread as "VZW sux, let's all go to AT&T". You should probably take a moment to recognize that.
I'm not advocating for any carrier. I would prefer unlocked devices, if not for the lack of LTE. When AT&T had side-loading blocked, I hated them for it and yes, the Facetime over Cellular was a dik move, too.
But I also love Smartphones and these days, AT&T does much less damage to the device than Verizon (T-Mobile and Sprint treat them the best) and it's something I'm hoping that AT&T doesn't suddenly decide is okay (again).
Getting my hands on the Verizon Note II really drove it all home for me, thus my post here in the Verizon Note forums asking how other users felt about it.
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I interpreted your post to be the same as Imnuts mentioned.
So either your worded it poorly, or there is something in the water.
Clearly you are angry at Verizon and felt the need to vent. Yeah, I am not too pleased with them as well, but so be it. You make it sound like everything is a constant measured response to screw people. Blocking Mode wasn't blocked because of a competing service. It just doesn't work. Do you ask Samsung to recode it to be removed, or just hide it? I doubt they cared. They just told Samsung to deal with it. You can bring it back. It doesn't work on Verizon though. Splanner widget is probably an oversight, and time will tell.
HTC Hub isn't on devices because they SHUT DOWN THE SERVICE. https://www.htcsense.com/
Otherwise, who knows, maybe it would be there on future devices. That service too didn't entirely work right on Verizon and was very limited to the devices it supported everywhere else.
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No, YOU INTERPRETED my thread as "VZW sux, let's all go to AT&T". You should probably take a moment to recognize that.
I'm not advocating for any carrier. I would prefer unlocked devices, if not for the lack of LTE. When AT&T had side-loading blocked, I hated them for it and yes, the Facetime over Cellular was a dik move, too.
But I also love Smartphones and these days, AT&T does much less damage to the device than Verizon (T-Mobile and Sprint treat them the best) and it's something I'm hoping that AT&T doesn't suddenly decide is okay (again).
Getting my hands on the Verizon Note II really drove it all home for me, thus my post here in the Verizon Note forums asking how other users felt about it.
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Sorry bro but I'm not sure this thread was necessary, and it was obviously not well received. Stick to the forums that have to do with your device.
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Sorry bro but I'm not sure this thread was necessary, and it was obviously not well received. Stick to the forums that have to do with your device.
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I'm not sure your post was necessary, either. How about if I just post where I want, mmkay?
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I'm not sure your post was necessary, either. How about if I just post where I want, mmkay?
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I'm reminded of a book....
How to Win Friends & Influence People
I'm thinking about going vzw and get a note 2... Or should I go att? :/
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I'm not sure your post was necessary, either. How about if I just post where I want, mmkay?
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I think his post did seem necessary since you don't seem to get it. You point out good things about Att and trashed VZW. So others did the opposite. Everyone seems to have read your post that way. Perhaps you need to learn how to articulate your thoughts better.
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I think his post did seem necessary since you don't seem to get it. You point out good things about Att and trashed VZW. So others did the opposite. Everyone seems to have read your post that way. Perhaps you need to learn how to articulate your thoughts better.
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Yeah, because the way everyone READ my post (I'm pretty sure you mean "interpreted") is my fault. I can't control when Verizon fanboys decide to be defensive. I posted a neutral poll with feedback from my experiences. I'm not the one trolling here. I suppose it's just easier to troll than to actually read my post and think for yourself.
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Alright, I bought my S7 at Walmart earlier this year, a Straight Talk prepaid, roughly $500. I recently moved and had a few data issues, and thought ST uses Verizon towers, I looked into switching to Verizons Prepaid. So I did the device IMEI lookup and was informed I should call customer service. They couldn't exactly tell me why, but mentioned it could be because it's a straight talk phone. Well, I decided to do some digging, and after a few IMEI checks on swappa (and the like), I realized it comes up as an g935vl, the edge (and as the exynos, I wish?).
Now, I thought maybe it was because I had flashed a few different roms (the earlier cvertigo VZW roms, and am currently on the newest ufirm rom), but that shouldn't change the IMEI, maybe corrupt it in extreme circumstances, but not change it. Not to mention, my IMEI from Phone Info matches what's printed on the back perfectly!
So, now I'm curious if that's really the reason I can't switch to Verizon, but regardless, I'm kind of dumbfounded. It isn't blacklisted, it certainly isn't fake, and the IMEI is almost certainly intact (or it would be a mismatch from what's printed on the phone).
How can this be?
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Alright, I bought my S7 at Walmart earlier this year, a Straight Talk prepaid, roughly $500. I recently moved and had a few data issues, and thought ST uses Verizon towers, I looked into switching to Verizons Prepaid. So I did the device IMEI lookup and was informed I should call customer service. They couldn't exactly tell me why, but mentioned it could be because it's a straight talk phone. Well, I decided to do some digging, and after a few IMEI checks on swappa (and the like), I realized it comes up as an g935vl, the edge (and as the exynos, I wish?).
Now, I thought maybe it was because I had flashed a few different roms (the earlier cvertigo VZW roms, and am currently on the newest ufirm rom), but that shouldn't change the IMEI, maybe corrupt it in extreme circumstances, but not change it. Not to mention, my IMEI from Phone Info matches what's printed on the back perfectly!
So, now I'm curious if that's really the reason I can't switch to Verizon, but regardless, I'm kind of dumbfounded. It isn't blacklisted, it certainly isn't fake, and the IMEI is almost certainly intact (or it would be a mismatch from what's printed on the phone).
How can this be?
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Why would you buy such an expensive phone from silly putty @$$ company like Straight Talk? lol
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Why would you buy such an expensive phone from silly putty @$$ company like Straight Talk? lol
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Because it's a littte bit cheaper?
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Because it's a littte bit cheaper?
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Well imho (coming from living almost a full 15yr childhood with straight talk as the only carrier), Straight Talk is the (by far) worst & most unconventional service provider in the US at least. But yet it also earns far more than the mediocre crap service permits.
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Well imho (coming from living almost a full 15yr childhood with straight talk as the only carrier), Straight Talk is the (by far) worst & most unconventional service provider in the US at least. But yet it also earns far more than the mediocre crap service permits.
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They're the same exact phone, it isn't even branded.
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They're the same exact phone, it isn't even branded.
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Story of my life my friend lol. I'm currently using a Straight Talk TracPhone on a verizon SIM card, its ZTE, would you like my APN settings? Maybe it will work, maybe it won't haha
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Story of my life my friend lol. I'm currently using a Straight Talk TracPhone on a verizon SIM card, its ZTE, would you like my APN settings? Maybe it will work, maybe it won't haha
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If I could change them, this damn ufirm on nougat makes it impossible, I love tinkering with different apn settings.
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If I could change them, this damn ufirm on nougat makes it impossible, I love tinkering with different apn settings.
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& no downgrade to MM huh?
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& no downgrade to MM huh?
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Yea, I suppose it's possible, but Nougat is far more optimized, it isn't worth it.
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Yea, I suppose it's possible, but Nougat is far more optimized, it isn't worth it.
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Try using Nova launcher, & adding a widget for "nova activities" & look thru all of those man its in there, & if you're rooted it will let you in. Trust & believe me
Do NOT buy this phone in the US unless Sony gets its phones approved to work with T-Mobile & AT&T
I have a Sony Xperia X Compact and it is the BEST ANDROID PHONE I have ever had.
Despite that I have to say that NOBODY SHOULD BUY ANY SONY PHONES.
The phone is awesome and technically supports pretty much any 3G and 4G band out there but Sony refuses to get these phones approved by AT&T and T-Mobile for VoLTE.
That means (for T-Mobile as an example) that the Xperia X Compact technically supports T-Mobile's super-duper Band 12 LTE which has almost better coverage than Verizon, BUT because the phone is not approved for VoLTE, Sony phones will almost immediately get disconnected from that T-Mobile tower. You may be standing next to someone with an approved phone that has 100% coverage, yet the Sony Xperia phones will show NO RECEPTION.
Sony phones should be able to at least connect to Band 12 for data but they don't. It may technically have the ability to connect to Band 12 and even use VoLTE, but the tower refusal to keep the connection. Sony then apparently also screwed up the band prioritization, because Sony phones even have issues connecting to non VoLTE networks (eg Band 4).
As a result, ALL SONY PHONES ARE PRETTY MUCH UNUSABLE on T-Mobile and AT&T AS A PHONE.
Do NOT buy any Sony phones if you want to use them on T-Mobile and AT&T, though I can tell you that they are the BEST phones otherwise - just not as a phone.
This is pathetic and there is no response from Sony.
https://www.androidheadlines.com/20...z1-compact-support-t-mobile-wifi-calling.html
Both will support volte/wifi on tmobile.
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https://www.androidheadlines.com/20...z1-compact-support-t-mobile-wifi-calling.html
Both will support volte/wifi on tmobile.
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Unproven rumors that it will be voLTE certified. NO CONFIRMATION FROM SONY OR T-MOBILE.
Even so, you won't be able to use the fingerprint sensor, since the international ROM won't support it.
Do NOT buy!!!!
http://www.tmonews.com/2017/08/sony-xperia-xz1-xperia-xz1-compact-official-android-8-oreo/
You have a really hard-on for Sony for some reason....
Everything points that it will have both of the supports for TMobile. Why not just wait and see before making such a claims?
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http://www.tmonews.com/2017/08/sony-xperia-xz1-xperia-xz1-compact-official-android-8-oreo/
You have a really hard-on for Sony for some reason....
Everything points that it will have both of the supports for TMobile. Why not just wait and see before making such a claims?
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Because Sony ****ED over buyers for the last three phone generations.
Why not stop buying Sony phones until they fix that!?
Because Sony can just as easily choose not to sell phones in the US as they can choose to spend extra to sell unlocked phones. Alot of people buy and they may see the window to release carrier phones again.
Also, because no one else produces a sub-5" android superphone and the XZ1 Compact is the only way to signal that there is a market for them.
I had the Z3 Compact and Z5 Compact. I've been on Samsungs for the last 2.5 years because they've had the smallest US flagships.
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Because Sony ****ED over buyers for the last three phone generations.
Why not stop buying Sony phones until they fix that!?
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I also would buy another phone if there was another sub 4.8 screen and 13MP+ phone with USB C, SD card and 3+GB RAM.
The Xperia X Compact is the best Android device that I have ever owned.
But without VoLTE it is unusable as a phone or even internet connected device on T-Mobile.
I essentially sit on a t mobile tower at work and I don't get reception.
That is just fvkced up.
Selling these phones as Sony is currently doing is the same as not selling them ...
My x compact worked fine on Tmobile.. I would definitely recommend the xz1 and compact!!
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Notchr302 said:
My x compact worked fine on Tmobile.. I would definitely recommend the xz1 and compact!!
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That is interesting since everyone is reporting it not working with LTE. Just check the XDA forum.
There is currently no reason to believe this one too be different.
Man, what's wrong with you? Seriously?
You give this thread an ABSOLUTE imperative title, with capital conjunctions and all - which is BS in the first sentence, and misleading in the second, to say the very least.
Then, my hats off, only in the post you manage to make fit the relevant information that everybody can get to evaluate for itself.
Which, not only is very minor and objectively variable for whatever specific conditions one's have, but now has also that little petty incidental detail of being confirmed by multiple sources.. And it still doesn't make a difference?
Oh, and last but not least, you bring up the goddamn fingerprint problem, as if you couldn't just flash european firmware and call it a straight day.
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I'm sorry to say this, but you're clueless. Any phone you buy that's not sold directly by AT&T will not support VoLTE, regardless of manufacturer. Saying it's a Sony thing and putting the blame on them is a dumbass move. I have bought countless unlocked phones from Samsung, LG, OnePlus and Sony of course and none of them support VoLTE or WifiCalling, that's AT&T (and T-Mobile) to blame, not the manufacturer. If you called T-Mobile and AT&T and that's what a clueless rip told you, lol for believing they know anything but how an iPhone works.
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I'm sorry to say this, but you're clueless. Any phone you buy that's not sold directly by AT&T will not support VoLTE, regardless of manufacturer. Saying it's a Sony thing and putting the blame on them is a dumbass move. I have bought countless unlocked phones from Samsung, LG, OnePlus and Sony of course and none of them support VoLTE or WifiCalling, that's AT&T (and T-Mobile) to blame, not the manufacturer. If you called T-Mobile and AT&T and that's what a clueless rip told you, lol for believing they know anything but how an iPhone works.
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Pretty much this.
Thread closed as it serves no real purpose.
I see one on Amazon. Doesn't really say who the seller is. But one post by a reviewer about using in U.S. said this:
I bought an International unlocked version. You can use in the USA with either T-Mobile and AT&T.
The only catch is the Huawei IMEI is not a known phone, at least by AT&T, so it only would come up as a vanilla GSM phone, maxing out at 3.5G speeds.
To get it activated at a full 4G LTE phone, you'd want to move a SIM card over from a registered AT&T 4G LTE (modern) phone, then port your number over.
But then it works perfectly well, as good as any official AT&T phone.
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So, I"m not sure about the move SIM card over and port number. Seems to me if I pull the SIM from my Note 9, I'd then not need to port a number. Thoughts?
Also, I'm concerned about getting one with the green edge problem. There's no warranty in the U.S. (Seems Huawei should warranty anyway...albeit with the problem of sending it over there).
I use T-Mobile, so can't help directly. I'm pretty sure I just used the same sim card (it was back in November). The prices on Amazon are a lot better now than they were then! Great phone, lack of warranty notwithstanding.
Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate it.
I guess my main stumbling block right now is concern that I'd get one with the green screen problem.
I supposed I could fall back to the Mate 20. I understand it doesn't have that problem.
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Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate it.
I guess my main stumbling block right now is concern that I'd get one with the green screen problem.
I supposed I could fall back to the Mate 20. I understand it doesn't have that problem.
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the green screen problem is a bit overexxagerated imo....... it's not like u'll be looking at an empty black screen on minimal brightness all the time. i'm using the BOE screen which doesn't have this issue and i have a colleague who got the problematic LG one and frankly i don't see what the fuss is about. his screen looks better tho in normal usage scenarios
Thanks for that seat and back. Makes me feel a little better should I get one like that.
I'm not surprised to hear that, as that what happens, people like me read about it and then think it's worse than it probably is.
I did just find this video on YouTube which does show the green screen edge and gives you a good feel for what it's like. Definitely doesn't look like something a person would desire to have.