Hi all
Bought a XTRONS MTCD head unit for my Audi TT MK2 (PX5, PB76ATTARP, Android 6.0, Octa-Core, 2GB RAM) and paired it with active OEM system. The sound was over all extremely disappointing so I decided to upgrade my car with the Audi Plus sound system, being specifically designed by Alpine for the TT MK2. Sound still appeared thin and had been lacking very much of bass despite of strong 200mm bass drivers and 400W amp. All integrated equalizers (also Viper) did not help to give the system sufficient deeps.
Made some investigations and found the audio design in the XTRONS head unit to be a complete disaster. The cinch outputs are actually not capable to drive low impedance amp inputs such as present with the Alpine amp. The rather low impedances of the Alpine's inputs do interact with the output decoupling capacitors in the head units audio design giving a high pass effect with pretty high cut-off frequency (somewhere between 100 and 200 Hz! ).
Fortunately the cinch audio signals are extracted with an external breakout board including an audio buffer section. The affected four decoupling capacitors (C156-C159, next to output connector of board) can easily be replaced with larger capacitors without disassembling the head unit. Just cut open the shrink hose (keep it and reattach later with adhesive tape) and replace the capacitors with a thin solder iron. This step needs a certain degree of solder experience but will be provided for sure by service guys of local Radio/TV store if you do not want to take the challenge.
The original capacitors are SMD 0603 size and have capacity of 0.8...1uF. I replaced them with 0603 capacitors with 4.7uF and 10V voltage strength. You can get such parts from Ebay, Mouser, Conrad Electronic, Distrelec, Farnell and many other places.
Cannot show picture here since I'm new to the forum. But can send picture of the breakout board with affected capacitors marked.
After capacitor replacement the bass is now very present with deep and punchy lows. The difference before-after is like night-day Still wondering how these Chinese guys did mess up the audio design by saving 0.003 cent per head unit...
The measure might be applicable also to other/older head units such as PX3 and other Android head units. As I e.g. remember, the PX3 has also a weak audio design with no dedicated output buffers for cinch signals. There the signals are directly broken out between audio codec and amp section and the capacitors in those signal paths might also be too small to serve low impedance loads with deep bass.
BR
Twain
Hello,
Got same issue can you pls share the the pictures ? Pls email on [email protected]
Thank you.
Hi,
thank you for your explanation. I've also weak bass. Could you please send me pictures of your work to [email protected]
Regards
Oberbergler said:
Hi,
thank you for your explanation. I've also weak bass. Could you please send me pictures of your work to [email protected]
Regards
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Just to confirm that I received the picture that you send.
Thank you very much.
Your the man!!
Hi can you send to me as well? [email protected] or if someone who can post them please post?
Oberbergler said:
Hi,
thank you for your explanation. I've also weak bass. Could you please send me pictures of your work to [email protected]
Regards
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Can you post the picture here?
Thanks
Twain0 said:
Can you post the picture here?
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Thanks!
Note that standard MTCD coupling capacitors to preamp and RCA are 2.2uF, also to onboard TDA power AMP are 10uF.
Not sure what your unit is from the image provided, looks like an additional signal board.
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Twain0 said:
Hi all
Bought a XTRONS MTCD head unit for my Audi TT MK2 (PX5, PB76ATTARP, Android 6.0, Octa-Core, 2GB RAM) and paired it with active OEM system. The sound was over all extremely disappointing so I decided to upgrade my car with the Audi Plus sound system, being specifically designed by Alpine for the TT MK2. Sound still appeared thin and had been lacking very much of bass despite of strong 200mm bass drivers and 400W amp. All integrated equalizers (also Viper) did not help to give the system sufficient deeps.
Made some investigations and found the audio design in the XTRONS head unit to be a complete disaster. The cinch outputs are actually not capable to drive low impedance amp inputs such as present with the Alpine amp. The rather low impedances of the Alpine's inputs do interact with the output decoupling capacitors in the head units audio design giving a high pass effect with pretty high cut-off frequency (somewhere between 100 and 200 Hz! ).
Fortunately the cinch audio signals are extracted with an external breakout board including an audio buffer section. The affected four decoupling capacitors (C156-C159, next to output connector of board) can easily be replaced with larger capacitors without disassembling the head unit. Just cut open the shrink hose (keep it and reattach later with adhesive tape) and replace the capacitors with a thin solder iron. This step needs a certain degree of solder experience but will be provided for sure by service guys of local Radio/TV store if you do not want to take the challenge.
The original capacitors are SMD 0603 size and have capacity of 0.8...1uF. I replaced them with 0603 capacitors with 4.7uF and 10V voltage strength. You can get such parts from Ebay, Mouser, Conrad Electronic, Distrelec, Farnell and many other places.
Cannot show picture here since I'm new to the forum. But can send picture of the breakout board with affected capacitors marked.
After capacitor replacement the bass is now very present with deep and punchy lows. The difference before-after is like night-day Still wondering how these Chinese guys did mess up the audio design by saving 0.003 cent per head unit...
The measure might be applicable also to other/older head units such as PX3 and other Android head units. As I e.g. remember, the PX3 has also a weak audio design with no dedicated output buffers for cinch signals. There the signals are directly broken out between audio codec and amp section and the capacitors in those signal paths might also be too small to serve low impedance loads with deep bass.
BR
Twain
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Is this item that is now pictured the one that is attached to the 4 audio cables inside some black heatshrink with a connector on it?
If so I’ll be doing this mod as I have put my Audi concert radio back in at the moment while my xtrons is being repaired and I can tell the difference straight away even though I thought the sound with my xtrons(GS) unit was decent.
Thankyou for figuring this out
Bump! Interested in the answer to the question above!
Twain0 said:
Hi all
Bought a XTRONS MTCD head unit for my Audi TT MK2 (PX5, PB76ATTARP, Android 6.0, Octa-Core, 2GB RAM) and paired it with active OEM system. The sound was over all extremely disappointing so I decided to upgrade my car with the Audi Plus sound system, being specifically designed by Alpine for the TT MK2. Sound still appeared thin and had been lacking very much of bass despite of strong 200mm bass drivers and 400W amp. All integrated equalizers (also Viper) did not help to give the system sufficient deeps.
Made some investigations and found the audio design in the XTRONS head unit to be a complete disaster. The cinch outputs are actually not capable to drive low impedance amp inputs such as present with the Alpine amp. The rather low impedances of the Alpine's inputs do interact with the output decoupling capacitors in the head units audio design giving a high pass effect with pretty high cut-off frequency (somewhere between 100 and 200 Hz! ).
Fortunately the cinch audio signals are extracted with an external breakout board including an audio buffer section. The affected four decoupling capacitors (C156-C159, next to output connector of board) can easily be replaced with larger capacitors without disassembling the head unit. Just cut open the shrink hose (keep it and reattach later with adhesive tape) and replace the capacitors with a thin solder iron. This step needs a certain degree of solder experience but will be provided for sure by service guys of local Radio/TV store if you do not want to take the challenge.
The original capacitors are SMD 0603 size and have capacity of 0.8...1uF. I replaced them with 0603 capacitors with 4.7uF and 10V voltage strength. You can get such parts from Ebay, Mouser, Conrad Electronic, Distrelec, Farnell and many other places.
Cannot show picture here since I'm new to the forum. But can send picture of the breakout board with affected capacitors marked.
After capacitor replacement the bass is now very present with deep and punchy lows. The difference before-after is like night-day Still wondering how these Chinese guys did mess up the audio design by saving 0.003 cent per head unit...
The measure might be applicable also to other/older head units such as PX3 and other Android head units. As I e.g. remember, the PX3 has also a weak audio design with no dedicated output buffers for cinch signals. There the signals are directly broken out between audio codec and amp section and the capacitors in those signal paths might also be too small to serve low impedance loads with deep bass.
BR
Twain
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I have a joying unit currently and was looking at upgrading to an Xtrons but am worried I might suffer the same issue
do you know the width of the capacitors you purchased, was looking at these
https://www.mouser.co.uk/Passive-Co...Z1yx4aw4Z1yzmou6Z1y95kco&Keyword=0603&FS=True
Xtrons PX5 have much better sound quality than Joying unis... I had Joying and now have Xtrons... Much better bass output and overal quality.
lysaer said:
I have a joying unit currently and was looking at upgrading to an Xtrons but am worried I might suffer the same issue
do you know the width of the capacitors you purchased, was looking at these
https://www.mouser.co.uk/Passive-Co...Z1yx4aw4Z1yzmou6Z1y95kco&Keyword=0603&FS=True
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Xtrons PX5 have much better sound quality than Joying unis... I had Joying and now have Xtrons... Much better bass output and overal quality.
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It does seem though that the original poster still suffered this weak bass issue with an Xtrons PX5 unit
Thanks
Twain0 said:
Hi all
Bought a XTRONS MTCD head unit for my Audi TT MK2 (PX5, PB76ATTARP, Android 6.0, Octa-Core, 2GB RAM) and paired it with active OEM system. The sound was over all extremely disappointing so I decided to upgrade my car with the Audi Plus sound system, being specifically designed by Alpine for the TT MK2. Sound still appeared thin and had been lacking very much of bass despite of strong 200mm bass drivers and 400W amp. All integrated equalizers (also Viper) did not help to give the system sufficient deeps.
Made some investigations and found the audio design in the XTRONS head unit to be a complete disaster. The cinch outputs are actually not capable to drive low impedance amp inputs such as present with the Alpine amp. The rather low impedances of the Alpine's inputs do interact with the output decoupling capacitors in the head units audio design giving a high pass effect with pretty high cut-off frequency (somewhere between 100 and 200 Hz! ).
Fortunately the cinch audio signals are extracted with an external breakout board including an audio buffer section. The affected four decoupling capacitors (C156-C159, next to output connector of board) can easily be replaced with larger capacitors without disassembling the head unit. Just cut open the shrink hose (keep it and reattach later with adhesive tape) and replace the capacitors with a thin solder iron. This step needs a certain degree of solder experience but will be provided for sure by service guys of local Radio/TV store if you do not want to take the challenge.
The original capacitors are SMD 0603 size and have capacity of 0.8...1uF. I replaced them with 0603 capacitors with 4.7uF and 10V voltage strength. You can get such parts from Ebay, Mouser, Conrad Electronic, Distrelec, Farnell and many other places.
Cannot show picture here since I'm new to the forum. But can send picture of the breakout board with affected capacitors marked.
After capacitor replacement the bass is now very present with deep and punchy lows. The difference before-after is like night-day Still wondering how these Chinese guys did mess up the audio design by saving 0.003 cent per head unit...
The measure might be applicable also to other/older head units such as PX3 and other Android head units. As I e.g. remember, the PX3 has also a weak audio design with no dedicated output buffers for cinch signals. There the signals are directly broken out between audio codec and amp section and the capacitors in those signal paths might also be too small to serve low impedance loads with deep bass.
BR
Twain
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Interesting, always found MTCB/C and MTCD/E units to have too low a signal on the RCA connectors to properly drive my factory Bose amp, although 7floor's mod overcomes this. MTCD PX3 units wont be any different as they simply have a different processor board, everything else is the same..
marchnz said:
Note that standard MTCD coupling capacitors to preamp and RCA are 2.2uF, also to onboard TDA power AMP are 10uF.
Not sure what your unit is from the image provided, looks like an additional signal board.
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He said "Xtrons" so I guess he has a GS unit.
Hi there
Yes, its the pcb in the heatshrink, sitting outside the actual head unit.
And again, the sound improvement has been REALLY obvious after the mod. At least with my setup.
Sold the car meanwhile so the topic went out of focus a litte.
BR
Twain0 said:
Hi there
Yes, its the pcb in the heatshrink, sitting outside the actual head unit.
And again, the sound improvement has been REALLY obvious after the mod. At least with my setup.
Sold the car meanwhile so the topic went out of focus a litte.
BR
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I sent back my XTRONS unit when it died. Before it died, I was having a hard time before it quit to match levels with my OEM Bose amp unit in my Mazda Miata. Everybody that does a workaround on the replacement by using the speaker outputs of the new head unit rather than the RCA outputs utilizing a device like SCOOSCHE SLC-4. I am looking at another unit now from EONON that has a DSP chip in it. I asked the EONON folks the question about the line output levels. Here was their answer below.
Dear Customer,
Nice day.
Thank you for your interest in our products, pls kindly refer to the specification below:
1. The pre-amp voltage of GA2171S is: 2.0Vrms±0.2V
2. RCA audio output voltage: 2.0Vrms ± 0.2V
3. Other audio output voltages such as subwoofer are: 1.5Vrms±0.2V
4. The resistance value of audio output / (horn resistance value): 4Ω
5. Signal to noise ratio: ≥-65DB
I am not sure how to interpret this apparent good news (2.0Vrms±0.2V) with questions like balanced and unbalanced inputs. Sound like the replaced BOSE head unit has unbalanced outputs. Not sure how that affects these specifications..
bossman4 said:
I sent back my XTRONS unit when it died. Before it died, I was having a hard time before it quit to match levels with my OEM Bose amp unit in my Mazda Miata. Everybody that does a workaround on the replacement by using the speaker outputs of the new head unit rather than the RCA outputs utilizing a device like SCOOSCHE SLC-4. I am looking at another unit now from EONON that has a DSP chip in it. I asked the EONON folks the question about the line output levels. Here was their answer below.
Dear Customer,
Nice day.
Thank you for your interest in our products, pls kindly refer to the specification below:
1. The pre-amp voltage of GA2171S is: 2.0Vrms±0.2V
2. RCA audio output voltage: 2.0Vrms ± 0.2V
3. Other audio output voltages such as subwoofer are: 1.5Vrms±0.2V
4. The resistance value of audio output / (horn resistance value): 4Ω
5. Signal to noise ratio: ≥-65DB
I am not sure how to interpret this apparent good news (2.0Vrms±0.2V) with questions like balanced and unbalanced inputs. Sound like the replaced BOSE head unit has unbalanced outputs. Not sure how that affects these specifications..
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All MTCB/C/D/E headunits have that sort of voltage on the RCAs, this wasnt enough for my Bose system that like yours uses the speaker wires, but I did @7floor's sound mod on my MTCC unit and the pre amp function sorted the problem , I m about to do @Wadzio's audio mod (same as 7floor's but via software) which also has a pre amp setting, cant say if the DSP unit will be better but see these 2 threads :
https://forum.xda-developers.com/and...tcd-e-t3823075
https://forum.xda-developers.com/and...p-com-t3803557
and general audio improvement discussion here :
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...d-e-sound-improvement-options-advice-t3849317
PX3
Hi, I have the Audi A3 PX3 headunit from Xtrons. Does this also works with that unit? Also the capacitors, whats the difference between the 4.7UF and the 10UF? I really don’t know anything about capacitors so I don’t know which one to choose. I have the Bose sound system and It also has really weak bass.
Thank you!
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Which one is with the prime?
The spec lists stereo, but I saw one speaker.
Or is it stereo only with the dock?
That's sucks....
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As far as I can gather, it's one speaker, but it sounds as good or better than any other tablet out there, with good sound volume. It fires out of the back on one side of the tablet.
If you read here, the official spec:
http://www.asus.com/Eee/Eee_Pad/Eee_Pad_Transformer_Prime_TF201/#specifications
It says stereo speakers ....
Misleading? Not true? Or with dock only?
One speaker is not stereo, nor mentioned as "speakers" ...
Stereo sound out of one speaker
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Why the heck you need speaker(s) for? you gonna listen pr0n on speakers or on your headset ?
Why couldn´t they just leave it the way it is with the TF101? Stereo speakers beneath one grill
Maybe we have only one grill but 2 speakers, one on each side.
Think about inital iPhone(s). They had no grills at all.
I don't think they would put "stereo" on their page if we have only one speaker...
Diamondback2010 said:
Maybe we have only one grill but 2 speakers, one on each side.
Think about inital iPhone(s). They had no grills at all.
I don't think they would put "stereo" on their page if we have only one speaker...
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?? Original iPhones DID have a speaker grill.. very bottom left or right.. otherside was for microphone. The speaker quality was just horrible and quiet.
It is monaural, as confirmed by Engadget's review, and they also criticized the poor speaker placement. Nor did they rave about the sound quality or volume -- they described it as only "quite good", when not blocked by your hand due to the location of the speaker grille.
Sorry folks, but to me the sound seems to have been downgraded to achieve the slimmer chassis. There's still a possibility it is louder, but that's about it.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/01/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-review/
The dock is supposed to have it's own set of speakers though, correct?
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The dock is supposed to have it's own set of speakers though, correct?
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The dock is rumored to have a subwoofer, although I've yet to see a post-launch review make that claim. It does NOT have stereo speakers, though.
From AndroidCentral
"The Prime touts having stereo speakers. But unlike in the Transformer and most other Android tablets we've used, they're only coming out of one section of the device. That means when you're holding the tablet in the normal landscape position, everything sounds like it's coming out the right-hand side of the device, because it is. It's a pretty disappointing change -- especially if you've used tablets with proper speakers."
Really disappointed with this, how could Asus not see/hear that it sucks to hear where the sound come from and that they also pointed the sound away from the user.
Xooms have speaker that point away from the user and that sucks if you compare to Galaxy tab that have the speakers on the sides.
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From AndroidCentral
"The Prime touts having stereo speakers. But unlike in the Transformer and most other Android tablets we've used, they're only coming out of one section of the device. That means when you're holding the tablet in the normal landscape position, everything sounds like it's coming out the right-hand side of the device, because it is. It's a pretty disappointing change -- especially if you've used tablets with proper speakers."
Really disappointed with this, how could Asus not see/hear that it sucks to hear where the sound come from and that they also pointed the sound away from the user.
Xooms have speaker that point away from the user and that sucks if you compare to Galaxy tab that have the speakers on the sides.
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It is simply stupid from Asus
Base on Asus website :
http://eee.asus.com/en/eeepad/transformer-prime/specification/
Interface: PAD: 2-in-1 Audio Jack (Headphone / Mic-in); 1× micro HDMI port
1 × Micro SD Card Reader; 1 × Internal Microphone; 1 × Stereo Speaker
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So it looks like it is "stereo", but packed into one speaker / location.
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So it looks like it is "stereo", but packed into one speaker / location.
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More likely, that's just poor translation. I doubt it's stereo speakers placed in one location -- it's vastly more likely that it is simply a single monaural speaker. We'll know oonce the first teardown is out.
The news continues to get worse: from the AndroidCentral comments:
"The speaker on the tablet itself is in a stupid place and it isn't especially loud (I could just barely hear it over the sound of my exercise bike, for example), and I haven't tried listening to music with or without the dock yet. It's on the list for today."
So all things considered, it apears that Transformer Prime sound is a major downgrade from the TF101. Not much louder, a worse speaker location, and mono instead of stereo. Hope you're happy now, all you people who whined about the size and weight of the TF101...
It doesn't matter what the specs says. The whole point of stereo output is to get channel separation, which isn't possible if both speakers are in same location.
For all practical purposes, audio is mono.
Here's another even more damning quote from AndroidCentral's review:
"it's a shame that the first Tegra 3 device to hit the market is lacking in basic audio quality. In other words: Use headphones or external speakers."
SonicMaster indeed. What. A. Joke.
To be fair, speaker output on tablets is a joke to start with. Fidelity is bad enough that stereo makes little difference. For decent stereo sound, use headphones or plug it into a TV.
BTW, someone mentioned the possibility of 7.1 audio through HDMI. I doubt it. Most movie rips use only the 5.1 core of the various HD audio flavors (DD EAC3, DD TrueHD, DTS-HR, DTS-MA). Playback support is sporadic even on PCs.
The mainstay for Android media players for now is ffmpeg. Per my last go-around, ffmpeg only supports EAC3, which is a fast-fading format. It doesn't support 7.1 FLAC (or 7.1 anything), which is what rippers use when they want to get HD audio.
Then, there's the HDMI-out. I'd be surprised if it even supports 5.1. Main bottleneck is the primitive state of Android media players, if not the hardware itself.
while its hard to say right now how it stacks up against other tablets/previous transformer its still disappointing they have the one speaker at such a bad location. The new redesigned galaxy tab 10.1n has two speakers front facing which would be ideal.
As pointed out in another thread by user 'sontin', there is at least a little workaround for movie watching on the TF201 which for some reason never occurred to me. If you turn the screen round 180 degrees, your hand shouldn't cover the speaker grille. Still a silly design, but this does at least partially improve things. Shame it's still mono, though...
Another post from AndroidPolice, btw, says that sound quality "pretty good" It does, however, refute earlier reviews that claimed there was a subwoofer in the dock -- accoding to AndroidPolice, there is no difference in sound when docked or undocked. That must mean either there's a problem with their review unit, or the subwoofer is in the tablet itself.
Seriously...I want USB audio support for my damn phone already... Do I really have to sell my galaxy note, and get a damn iphone for this feature that should've been here YEARS AGO?
Our phones have the worst DSP/DAC ever...
Every post I have seen of yours has just been *****ing and moaning about this phone... not once have I seen a productive/informative/helpful post from you.
why don't you just sell it already and go back to drinking apple koolaid then?
LOL
Why not just use a 3.5 mm aux wire for music and leave the usb for charging in the car? Problem solved. Although, you would have to change tracks on the phone instead of the car's head unit. There are requests to google since a year ago, we might see it in Jellybean.
I agree, *****ing and moaning wont do much. If you cant stand having this device, sell it and get something else.
-Once you go NOTE, you'd say 4 inches a Joke
go bluetooth bro. it works awesomely
Explain how I said everything about the phone sucks?
Btw, I'm an audiophile. The DAC in our phone garbage. How is it so much to ask for a USB external DAC option for my phone? Iphones had this feature before they had MMS. You say i drjnk Apple koolaid whdn i sold m iPad to get this phone?? SAMSUNG's specs said this phone had USB HOST 2.0... I bought it thinking that I'd be able to use a USB DAC with ICS which was shpposed to be released for our phone MONTHS AGO. Is Apple se, retly paying google to not have USB DACs available for android? How am i supposed to have use my hifi audio systems with my phone? And dont say bluetooth because bluetooth is not HiFi. The 3.5 mm is not an option because it cannot be a line out. Honestly, i wish we had an optical TOSLINK imside our headphone jack, which would solve my problem. This is retarded that we dont have this simple feature.
Btw this is the only thing that really would make buying this phone a dealbreaker for me. I cant ever go back to Apple but I'd like to have my phone have the ABILITY to produce lossless audio and do NOT tell me how MP3 isn't lossless because i know this. I plan on acessing VLC flac files from my home network in the future.
This is in the top 10 issues of google's entire list and they respond by saying basically if someone codes it for them then they might look i to it. They MIGHT... Are you kidding? Most audiophiles who have iphone would switch over for a droid and USB DAC in a heartbeat. Apple would lose a couple hundred thousand customers for writing a few lines of code for ICS...
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To answer the subject line, it hasn't been coded yet.
Sent from my awesome-ass Note
I have the same issues with the phone as you. There are things I love about the iPhone and there are things I love about the Note. The Note wins for now.
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Explain how I said everything about the phone sucks?
Btw, I'm an audiophile. The DAC in our phone garbage. How is it so much to ask for a USB external DAC option for my phone? Iphones had this feature before they had MMS. You say i drjnk Apple koolaid whdn i sold m iPad to get this phone?? SAMSUNG's specs said this phone had USB HOST 2.0... I bought it thinking that I'd be able to use a USB DAC with ICS which was shpposed to be released for our phone MONTHS AGO. Is Apple se, retly paying google to not have USB DACs available for android? How am i supposed to have use my hifi audio systems with my phone? And dont say bluetooth because bluetooth is not HiFi. The 3.5 mm is not an option because it cannot be a line out. Honestly, i wish we had an optical TOSLINK imside our headphone jack, which would solve my problem. This is retarded that we dont have this simple feature.
Btw this is the only thing that really would make buying this phone a dealbreaker for me. I cant ever go back to Apple but I'd like to have my phone have the ABILITY to produce lossless audio and do NOT tell me how MP3 isn't lossless because i know this. I plan on acessing VLC flac files from my home network in the future.
This is in the top 10 issues of google's entire list and they respond by saying basically if someone codes it for them then they might look i to it. They MIGHT... Are you kidding? Most audiophiles who have iphone would switch over for a droid and USB DAC in a heartbeat. Apple would lose a couple hundred thousand customers for writing a few lines of code for ICS...
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Since Google wont code it, Your only option now is to get an iPhone. Best of Luck to ya.
-Once you go NOTE, you'd say 4 inches a Joke
http://www.talkandroid.com/guides/droid/ipod-dock-adapter-for-motorola-droidmilestone/
Besides a DIY project, may try the MHL-microHDMI link to and audio input. Most manufacturers don't seem interested in making anything but apple's 30pin audio components. My Pioneer Dual Din Bluetooth Car Stereo has a USB out the works with Note. Have to use the phone to control it though.
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Sell it and shut the effin up already and quit wasting space on this forum
I love my Note, but I keep an old ipod permanently connected in my car just for music. And I have my old iphone 3G, which is only worth $50 at best, is attached to my hi-fi system at home.
Who says you have to do everything with one device? If the Note doesn't do what you want, keep your note and buy something else to do the other job. Just my $0.02.
i'm no genius - but doesn't the MHL adapter provide HDMI audio out?
wouldn't that imply that you CAN get HiFi audio out to your AVR or amp ?
then again, what do i know
If you are this anal about high end sound use store bought CDs. That or a record player and you won't need a DAC.
I love audio way more than anyone I know and I stream blue tooth audio from my phone.. Is it the best sound? No but it gets the job done. If you want high end you need to right equipment. Sadly the Galaxy note doesn't currently have the ability to do this.
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What pisses me off is the only thing stopping the note from doing this is a few lines of code for USB audio.
And the note doesn't even support HDMI audio out..
c0reyl said:
What pisses me off is the only thing stopping the note from doing this is a few lines of code for USB audio.
And the note doesn't even support HDMI audio out..
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Few lines of code? Hahaha. Yes, just a few lines, that's all...
c0reyl said:
How am i supposed to have use my hifi audio systems with my phone? And dont say bluetooth because bluetooth is not HiFi.
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Not really correct. Using the original BT compression algorithm, SBC, you get the equivalent of a high-bitrate MP3 - a maximum of 768kbit/s shared between channels and overhead so probably closer to a 256 MP3. There is a newer compression algorithm apt-X which provides lower latency and even higher quality at 384kbit/s. Overhead isn't included in that bitrate so that is the actual throughput on the audio channels. Not lossless (if that is your definition of "HiFi"), but you would have to do a side-by-side comparison to nitpick out the very minor differences.
The 3.5 mm is not an option because it cannot be a line out.
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Incorrect. The voltage levels between the mini plug and line out are compatible. Keep the volume down a bit to keep the voltage down and you are fine.
Honestly, i wish we had an optical TOSLINK imside our headphone jack, which would solve my problem.
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TOSLINK on a phone. Right. NEXT!
My Onkyo TX-NR616 Receiver plays off my notes usb cord just fine. Just go into USB Storage Mode.
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My Onkyo TX-NR616 Receiver plays off my notes usb cord just fine. Just go into USB Storage Mode.
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I will confirm this works for my Pioneer and Jensen HU's in my vehicles, as well as my XBOX360. Only downfall is you have to use your audio device to choose your tracks. It gets the job done.
Sounds like OP needs a custom Bose system for his car, and a Galaxy iNote.
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Few lines of code? Hahaha. Yes, just a few lines, that's all...
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It may have been a bit of an understatement, but considering that windows is something like 62 million lines of code, a simple driver for enabling usb audio when we already have USB host 2.0 wouldn't be very much in comparison, when it should have been implemented in the first place..
Honestly, if anyone gets full linux to ever work on the note, I'm going to use that and never look back if USB audio works with it, and has s-pen support to control the mouse. I'm pretty sure that would happen LONG before android ever gets universal usb audio.
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Not really correct. Using the original BT compression algorithm, SBC, you get the equivalent of a high-bitrate MP3 - a maximum of 768kbit/s shared between channels and overhead so probably closer to a 256 MP3. There is a newer compression algorithm apt-X which provides lower latency and even higher quality at 384kbit/s. Overhead isn't included in that bitrate so that is the actual throughput on the audio channels. Not lossless (if that is your definition of "HiFi"), but you would have to do a side-by-side comparison to nitpick out the very minor differences.
Incorrect. The voltage levels between the mini plug and line out are compatible. Keep the volume down a bit to keep the voltage down and you are fine.
TOSLINK on a phone. Right. NEXT!
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I actually thought that bluetooth audio had less bitrate, but I want the capability for lossless audio streaming from my home network using FLAC files, and the ability to watch blu ray stored on my pc over LTE would be badass as well, without audio comprimise.
Integrating TOSLINK hidden inside our headphone jack isn't has hard as you think. Many RCA and 3.5mm connectors have toslink hidden inside them from laptops and other devices, my sound card has it in the RCA SPDIF out. All they would need to do is make a proprietary android plastic mold adapter which being slightly different shaped than a headphone jack, would activate the TOSLINK switch inside the headphone jack and allow it to be on only by plugging the proprietary adapter inside, saving battery. TOSLINK can't be affected by EMF interuption. If this started happening, many things in the mobile market would change. Apple would lose hundreds of thousands of customers from the audio quality standpoint alone, more audiophiles would emerge from everywhere. Speaker development would increase exponentially. Hifi iPod docks would include TOSLINK. High end headphones would start coming with portable amps with Line Out, TOSLINK, and other options. It would be the easiest way to connect to a home theater system for high end audio. more people would be making their desktops a home server with all the audio stored on it able to stream over LTE. More people would be interested in FLAC and better bitrates. OTher companies would be profiting, driving BOSE into the ground. Companies like JMLAB, Legacy, Theil, Velodyne, Celestian, PSB, Focal, and many other high end companies who deserve more market.
I think it's a little stupid that on a device with a screen as nice as ours, we have little to no audio options available, when audio should have been the first concern in order to manipulate the market. Almost nobody who owns our phone even realizes just how good the display actually is. The black levels on our screen surpass almost any TV ever made, even if the colors aren't perfect. For example, I have a 55 inch 720p Sony Rear projection triple LCD panel tv with less pixels then my phone screen. The black levels on the phone DESTROY my tv, even if the colors aren't near as good on the phone, for cinema, it looks way better a foot from my face than optimal viewing distance with the HDTV. and, the colors on the HDTV surpass that of ANY "LED" tv you will see scamming the market today. They are LED backlit garbage twisted nematic LCD panels with terrible color accuracy.The sony has almost as good colors as my $700 Gateway FPD2485W professional S-IPS photo editing monitor actually, but still not quite. despite this, the phone still looks way better because of the black levels and sharpness, brightness and overall quality of the screen. I think Samsung solved the color problems with SuperAMOLED Plus with a different sub pixel layout amongst other improvemnts
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I will confirm this works for my Pioneer and Jensen HU's in my vehicles, as well as my XBOX360. Only downfall is you have to use your audio device to choose your tracks. It gets the job done.
Sounds like OP needs a custom Bose system for his car, and a Galaxy iNote.
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Do not ever plague my posts saying insinuating that I'm a BOSE or Apple fanboy. I am a fanboy of nothing, besides maybe the Dodge Viper. My car sound system might've only cost me $350, from amazing creigslist deals, but it'd run me over $1200 everything brand new with a shop install. I might only have cheap polk 5.25" paper cone door speakers with only 45 watts RMS but they have 93db efficiency which is outstanding for the size, and swivel mount silk domes for clarity. my Alpine 6x9 in the back also have silk domes, and my Alpine 12" kevlar reinforced pulp cone subs might only be 400 watts RMS,but they sound damn clean for the price I stole them for off creigslist, and the custom box they're in is well enough built that even being a vented dual 12" box, if you physically tap on one woofer, the other moves like a well built passive radiator. The component speakers are driven from an MB Quart RA4200 100x4 RMS 0.5% THD amp, which is when rockford fosgate owned MB Quart, and had some quality stuff.
Then again, my home system is better, and while I only have a surround sound system comprised of my HTPC using analogue out from my Auzentech X-FI Home Theater HD, which is one of the best cards ever made for it's purpose, a few 5" Kevlar woofer, Class AB active 1" Silk dome M-Audio BX5a studio monitors, they definitely have clarity. but, my Velodyne ULD 18 is what brings my theater together. You may not understand this, or understand why, but an 18 inch woofer producing [email protected] 20Hz with 0.5% THD (Total Harmonic Distortion) with under a QUARTER INCH of excursion, using a standard tar reinforced pulp cone woofer, with a servo attached to it to achieve this, is no easy feat considering the sub was made before I was born, in 1989. It was the first subwoofer ever to get a class A stereophile review. not only that, but it's flat down to 14Hz and will still push over 120db @ 20Hz with well under 3% THD. This is impressive for using only a 400 watt Class B servo amplifier. The bass quality of my theater makes my car sub which people seem to think is amazing hearing it sound like complete garbage. it makes my sudio monitors look like garbage, and anything bose has ever made sound like garbage, and it's the only piece of audio equipment I will claim to be true quality, everything else, I consider mediocre, because I can't afford a $4,000 pair of ATC bookshelves, or a $30,000 pair of JMLAB Utoptias..
But for the price I paid, I got decent enough quality, and my headphones I use (Sennheiser CX6 for fidelity, Vmoda Crossfade LP for soundstage and bass/electronic music), you can't ever tell me BOSE is quality. Maybe the BOSE 301's are good, I don't know for sure, haven't head them, but everything BOSE Iv'e ever heard was garbage for the money, and I had the tri port headphones, I had the quiet comfort 3's both as a gift. I'd never pay for anything bose has ever currently made, but who knows, Ford finally made something awesome with the new mustangs, I could change my mind eventually.
Point is, I mostly know what I'm doing with audio. As an Audiophile, I can say for a fact, Apple has a lot of loyal customers because of the audio options, Iv'e had 3 Iphones, the original as a hand me down which was broken (I'm extremely grateful for that because of the grandfather clause), the Iphone 4 as a gift before I ever cared about having a nice phone, and the 4S I traded my atrix for and couldn't stand using it once I knew what I was missing, despite the ease it was connecting to my head unit. The lack of navigation really pissed me off, the interface and texting pissed me off, the tiny screen pissed me off. I ended up deciding to sell the iphone and ipad to get this Galaxy note, which was worth it in every aspect except the terrible audio options available and the fact Samsung ripped us off on ICS release.
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Pretty crappy for my standards but w/e
Ehh, only really good piece of equipment in these pics is my good 24" monitor, and my Velodyne ULD18, and they are kind of old but I don't have any good new pics..
c0reyl said:
It may have been a bit of an understatement, but considering that windows is something like 62 million lines of code, a simple driver for enabling usb audio when we already have USB host 2.0 wouldn't be very much in comparison, when it should have been implemented in the first place..
Honestly, if anyone gets full linux to ever work on the note, I'm going to use that and never look back if USB audio works with it, and has s-pen support to control the mouse. I'm pretty sure that would happen LONG before android ever gets universal usb audio.
I actually thought that bluetooth audio had less bitrate, but I want the capability for lossless audio streaming from my home network using FLAC files, and the ability to watch blu ray stored on my pc over LTE would be badass as well, without audio comprimise.
Integrating TOSLINK hidden inside our headphone jack isn't has hard as you think. Many RCA and 3.5mm connectors have toslink hidden inside them from laptops and other devices, my sound card has it in the RCA SPDIF out. All they would need to do is make a proprietary android plastic mold adapter which being slightly different chaped than a headphone jack, would activate the TOSLINK switch inside the headphone jack and allow it to be on only by plugging the proprietary adapter inside, saving battery. TOSLINK can't be affected by EMF interuption. If this started happening, many things in the mobile market would change. Apple would lose hundreds of thousands of customers from the audio quality standpoint alone, more audiophiles would emerge from everywhere. Speaker development would increase exponentially. Hifi iPod docks would include TOSLINK. High end headphones would start coming with portable amps with Line Out, TOSLINK, and other options. It would be the easiest way to connect to a home theater system for high end audio. more people would be making their desktops a home server with all the audio stored on it able to stream over LTE. More people would be interested in FLAC and better bitrates. OTher companies would be profiting, driving BOSE into the ground. Companies like JMLAB, Legacy, Theil, Velodyne, Celestian, PSB, Focal, and many other high end companies who deserve more market.
I think it's a little stupid that on a device with a screen as nice as ours, we have little to no audio options available, when audio should have been the first concern in order to manipulate the market. Almost nobody who owns our phone even realizes just how good the display actually is. The black levels on our screen surpass almost any TV ever made, even if the colors aren't perfect. For example, I have a 55 inch 720p Sony Rear projection triple LCD panel tv with less pixels then my phone screen. The black levels on the phone DESTROY my tv, even if the colors aren't near as good on the phone, for cinema, it looks way better a foot from my face than optimal viewing distance with the HDTV. and, the colors on the HDTV surpass that of ANY "LED" tv you will see scamming the market today. They are LED backlit garbage twisted nematic LCD panels with terrible color accuracy.The sony has almost as good colors as my $700 Gateway FPD2485W professional S-IPS photo editing monitor actually, but still not quite. despite this, the phone still looks way better because of the black levels and sharpness, brightness and overall quality of the screen. I think Samsung solved the color problems with SuperAMOLED Plus with a different sub pixel layout amongst other improvemnts
Do not ever plague my posts saying insinuating that I'm a BOSE or Apple fanboy. I am a fanboy of nothing, besides maybe the Dodge Viper. My car sound system might've only cost me $350, from amazing creigslist deals, but it'd run me over $1200 everything brand new with a shop install. I might only have cheap polk 5.25" paper cone door speakers with only 45 watts RMS but they have 93db efficiency which is outstanding for the size, and swivel mount silk domes for clarity. my Alpine 6x9 in the back also have silk domes, and my Alpine 12" kevlar reinforced pulp cone subs might only be 400 watts RMS,but they sound damn clean for the price I stole them for off creigslist, and the custom box they're in is well enough built that even being a vented dual 12" box, if you physically tap on one woofer, the other moves like a well built passive radiator. The component speakers are driven from an MB Quart RA4200 100x4 RMS 0.5% THD amp, which is when rockford fosgate owned MB Quart, and had some quality stuff.
Then again, my home system is better, and while I only have a surround sound system comprised of my HTPC using analogue out from my Auzentech X-FI Home Theater HD, which is one of the best cards ever made for it's purpose, a few 5" Kevlar woofer, Class AB active 1" Silk dome M-Audio BX5a studio monitors, they definitely have clarity. but, my Velodyne ULD 18 is what brings my theater together. You may not understand this, or understand why, but an 18 inch woofer producing [email protected] 20Hz with 0.5% THD (Total Harmonic Distortion) with under a QUARTER INCH of excursion, using a standard tar reinforced pulp cone woofer, with a servo attached to it to achieve this, is no easy feat considering the sub was made before I was born, in 1989. It was the first subwoofer ever to get a class A stereophile review. not only that, but it's flat down to 14Hz and will still push over 120db @ 20Hz with well under 3% THD. This is impressive for using only a 400 watt Class B servo amplifier. The bass quality of my theater makes my car sub which people seem to think is amazing hearing it sound like complete garbage. it makes my sudio monitors look like garbage, and anything bose has ever made sound like garbage, and it's the only piece of audio equipment I will claim to be true quality, everything else, I consider mediocre, because I can't afford a $4,000 pair of ATC bookshelves, or a $30,000 pair of JMLAB Utoptias..
But for the price I paid, I got decent enough quality, and my headphones I use (Sennheiser CX6 for fidelity, Vmoda Crossfade LP for soundstage and bass/electronic music), you can't ever tell me BOSE is quality. Maybe the BOSE 301's are good, I don't know for sure, haven't head them, but everything BOSE Iv'e ever heard was garbage for the money, and I had the tri port headphones, I had the quiet comfort 3's both as a gift. I'd never pay for anything bose has ever currently made, but who knows, Ford finally made something awesome with the new mustangs, I could change my mind eventually.
Point is, I mostly know what I'm doing with audio. As an Audiophile, I can say for a fact, Apple has a lot of loyal customers because of the audio options, Iv'e had 3 Iphones, the original as a hand me down which was broken (I'm extremely grateful for that because of the grandfather clause), the Iphone 4 as a gift before I ever cared about having a nice phone, and the 4S I traded my atrix for and couldn't stand using it once I knew what I was missing, despite the ease it was connecting to my head unit. The lack of navigation really pissed me off, the interface and texting pissed me off, the tiny screen pissed me off. I ended up deciding to sell the iphone and ipad to get this Galaxy note, which was worth it in every aspect except the terrible audio options available and the fact Samsung ripped us off on ICS release.
Pretty crappy for my standards but w/e
Ehh, only really good piece of equipment in these pics is my good 24" monitor, and my Velodyne ULD18, and they are kind of old but I don't have any good new pics..
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Your e-penis is mighty!
Hi, I'm planning to order Le Max 2 and I cannot find any comments about the audio quality via 3.5mm adapter.
I use Sennheiser IE80s which have a 3.5mm jack and I'm sure there are no USB CDLA headphones yet which will outperform IE80s so I'm left with the adapter or discrete digital to audio converter (DAC).
What are your thoughts about the audio quality via the adapter?
My worry is that the DAC in the adapter cable is very poor quality and sounds exceptionally bad.
From GSMarena review:
"Solid audio output
We were a little worried how dropping the dedicated audio jack will affect the quality of the output but the Le Max 2 showed that there’s nothing to worry about. Beside the inconvenience of having to carry an adapter around, the phablet really nailed this part of our test.
It delivered excellent output when used with an active external amplifier, getting top marks for clarity and garnishing them with nicely high volume levels. Degradation caused by headphones is minimal too with a moderate hike in stereo crosstalk being the only notable change. Volume remained high for a pretty great overall showing.
Source:
http://www.gsmarena.com/leeco_le_max_2-review-1449p6.php
(bottom part of the page)
I am still waiting for my Le Max 2 to arrive so I can't answer from personal experience
Hope this helps
Helps a lot, thanks!
An opposing view of user "smulik" can be found here:
http://forum.le.com/in/index.php?th...cdla-earphones-over-the-regular-3-5-mm.12259/
First and foremost, a note to the mods:
I'm asking a question about V30 accessories, so I wasn't sure where to post this thread. If I chose, wrong, then please forgive me and move it. I'm really sorry!
Now for the question:
I want a good sounding in-ear earbud for my V30. I have a decent set of cans, but they aren't very portable and I want a a good set of earbuds too. I mostly listen to rock and metal and prefer flat sounding headphones (I think... I don't like the bass overpowering the vocals and I don't use any equalizers in my music player app... so, flat?).
I can't afford much, but $150 is the most I'm willing to spend and have narrowed my choices down to two specific headphones based on reviews here on XDA and Amazon.
The problem is, the headphones have a lot of drastically different specs and now I'm super confused on what to buy.
Choice 1 is the SoundMagic E80C
https://soundmagicheadphones.com/products/soundmagic-e80c-in-ear-isolating-earphones-with-mic
(scroll to specifications)
It has- compared to Choice 2- a lower frequency range (15Hz - 22KHz), but a higher sensitivity (102dB) and impedance (64 Ohms).
In fact, I bought them already and like them, but wondering if Choice 2 would be better.
Buyer's remorse combined with confusion of headphone spec meanings. UGH!
Choice 2 is the 1More Quad Driver Headphones
https://usa.1more.com/products/1more-quad-driver-in-ear-headphones
(Again, scroll to Specs)
It has- compared to Choice 1- a higher frequency range (20 - 40,000Hz), but a lower sensitivity (99dB) and impedance (32 Ohms). On top of that, it has 4 drivers and is THX certified (if that means anything with the V30).
Now, here's the reason for my confusion. Everyone here on XDA and many other sites are praising the V30's Quad-Dac, but say that it won't kick in under 50 Ohms. This is making me believe that higher impedance is better, so I need Choice 1 (why I bought it). However, audiophile websites are saying something like (based on my understanding) higher frequency is better and so is sensitivity. This is making me wonder if Choice 2 is actually better for me because the sensitivity is only slightly lower than Choice 1, but the frequency is almost double of Choice 1. They say too that bigger drivers aren't necessarily better, so... Choice 1 again?
So, after hours of research, buyer's remorse (wondering if I made the correct purchase), and my brain frying from confusion, I ask my fellow V30 owners:
Can you help me make a buying decision? Did I make a good decision and should keep the SoundMagic E80C, or should I return them and pay more for the 1More Quad-Drivers?
This decision needs to be based on the music I listen to and I don't want bassy headphones intended for hip-hop, rap, etc.
Thank you, Community and I look forward to seeing what you all have to say.
SOUND MAGIC E80: Superb, for in-ear headphones*. There may be something to the idea that higher impedance headphones have better sound quality by virtue of higher intensity magnetic field produced by more wire turns, e.g. better damping & control, faster response, etc. (E80 has 64 Ohm impedance, relatively high for in-ears and enough to trigger the V30 high impedance mode.)
The "C" suffix means some form of inline controls, there is (or was) also an "S" suffix model denoting inline controls. I got the version without inline controls, the E80.
On the other headphone with quad drivers: I tried a 1More triple driver, and the sound was muddy. My guess is that multiple drivers may introduce problems with intermodulation and also crossovers if those are used. Just a guess. Haven't tried the quad driver version, but after finding the E80, I have no need to.
(* In-ears have their own drawbacks, including effect on audio quality related to placement and seal in the ear, and "microphonics" aka noise conducted to the headphone from mechanical movement of cables. I accept those issues as the trade-off for the advantages of in-ears for use while exercising etc. The cable noise can be reduced by looping the cable over the ear.)
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I have both and prefer the Soundmagic by far.
Whichever earbuds you get, don't forget to easily root that phone(Magisk necessary), use WhiskeyOmega's mod for utilizing the advanced Dac preset always and installing Viper4Android.
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Whichever earbuds you get, don't forget to easily root that phone(Magisk necessary), use WhiskeyOmega's mod for utilizing the advanced Dac preset always and installing Viper4Android.
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I'm not interested in rooting and last I checked, the ATT variant isnt rootable. (See edit) I rooted the V20 and found it to have been a complete waste of my time. It just didnt add anything useful for me.
I also had installed Viper4Android on the V20 and the Play Store kept disabling it because it thought it was malware or something. It was SUPER annoying to deal with on a daily basis and don't want to deal with it on my V30. Plus, I don't need it anyways since I said I don't use equalizer settings and prefer the settings to be flat. It sounds better that way. It sounds like how the bands intended their music to sound. (At least I feel that way)ñ
Edit: I think I'm wrong. I guess all variants except the T-Mobile one have root now? Still not interested though.
Tinkerer_ said:
SOUND MAGIC E80: Superb, for in-ear headphones*. There may be something to the idea that higher impedance headphones have better sound quality by virtue of higher intensity magnetic field produced by more wire turns, e.g. better damping & control, faster response, etc. (E80 has 64 Ohm impedance, relatively high for in-ears and enough to trigger the V30 high impedance mode.)
The "C" suffix means some form of inline controls, there is (or was) also an "S" suffix model denoting inline controls. I got the version without inline controls, the E80.
On the other headphone with quad drivers: I tried a 1More triple driver, and the sound was muddy. My guess is that multiple drivers may introduce problems with intermodulation and also crossovers if those are used. Just a guess. Haven't tried the quad driver version, but after finding the E80, I have no need to.
(* In-ears have their own drawbacks, including effect on audio quality related to placement and seal in the ear, and "microphonics" aka noise conducted to the headphone from mechanical movement of cables. I accept those issues as the trade-off for the advantages of in-ears for use while exercising etc. The cable noise can be reduced by looping the cable over the ear.)
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I have both and prefer the Soundmagic by far.
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Thanks you two!
I think I'll keep the Soundmagic E80C's. After thinking about things a bit more (and reading opinions), the E80C's seem to be a better deal. They sound great, but cost less than the 1Mores do. So more bang for the buck I guess.
e80 are not flat, they are quite bright and unbalanced and they lack bass like any other soundmagic E-series out there.
1more quad on the other side are as flat as inear headphones cand be, are balanced and have superb sound stage. they are not harsh on highs (like 1more triple are). they are not muddy or warm or bright, they sound almost like my monitor speakers i have on the desk which i can asure you that they are as flat as any speakers can be.
but if you prefer soundmagic, i think that you might not know what flat sound is...
i tried e10, e50, e80 and decided to spend more money and get something that has more quality because my years really hurt and not even a week on them couldn't get used to the very bright sound they have, which did not happen when i was using 1more quad.
i don't even know how you compare these two because the 1more is almost 4 times more expensive than e80...
if you want something that really sounds good you should also look at Shure SE846
and seach whathifi forum because here, on xda, i had arguments with people saying that there is no difference between bluetooth and wire...
and another mistake you made is that in the audiophile world you cannot speak of "bang for the buck" because you cannot find the best cheap ones out there, it's simply like this: if you want quality, you pay because if you buy something that is cheaper you cannot get the sound of a high quality earphones by using cheapr ones and apply some "tricks" on them, you just have a lower quality sound. (quality can be described in may aspects, some even call themselves audiophile and praise the "extra bass" sticker on some sony boxes)
but many people out there do not understand this.
iRS_ said:
e80 are not flat, they are quite bright and unbalanced and they lack bass like any other soundmagic E-series out there.
1more quad on the other side are as flat as inear headphones cand be, are balanced and have superb sound stage. they are not harsh on highs (like 1more triple are). they are not muddy or warm or bright, they sound almost like my monitor speakers i have on the desk which i can asure you that they are as flat as any speakers can be.
but if you prefer soundmagic, i think that you might not know what flat sound is...
i tried e10, e50, e80 and decided to spend more money and get something that has more quality because my years really hurt and not even a week on them couldn't get used to the very bright sound they have, which did not happen when i was using 1more quad.
i don't even know how you compare these two because the 1more is almost 4 times more expensive than e80...
if you want something that really sounds good you should also look at Shure SE846
and seach whathifi forum because here, on xda, i had arguments with people saying that there is no difference between bluetooth and wire...
and another mistake you made is that in the audiophile world you cannot speak of "bang for the buck" because you cannot find the best cheap ones out there, it's simply like this: if you want quality, you pay because if you buy something that is cheaper you cannot get the sound of a high quality earphones by using cheapr ones and apply some "tricks" on them, you just have a lower quality sound. (quality can be described in may aspects, some even call themselves audiophile and praise the "extra bass" sticker on some sony boxes)
but many people out there do not understand this.
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As noted, in-ear headphones designed to seal against the outer ear canal are very sensitive to fitment and seal. This is one of their drawbacks, and also produces widely varying opinions about any given headphone model.
I can produce a wide range of response (audio quality) with the E80 and any other headphone of this type simply by adjusting the fit, and also by using different tips. The bass is especially affected.
Even when a good fit and seal is obtained, the fit tends to loosen with use and user movement, one must periodically reseat the headphones to restore the seal.
Also, even if a tip produces a good seal, it may produce inferior audio quality compared to another tip, depending on headphone and individual user ear canal shape. For example, the Comply tips produce inferior sound quality in my ears compared to the base silicone tips of the E80. I suspect because the Complys have a longer and thinner opening "duct" and more absorbent material, which veil more of the driver, constrict airflow more, and absorb more sound energy than the silicone tips.
The E80 produce excellent response across the frequency range for me with the large silicone tips, when firmly seated just-so. If they are not seated just right, the quality suffers, just like all other sealing type in-ears. I'm comparing to two good standalone stereos and also other headphones.
No offense, but the Shure line is typically poor quality audio. They roll off at about 16-18kHz, producing noticeably dull sound compared to decent headphones. They made their name in professional monitors, which are intended for reliablility and durability, for use by performers, not high fidelity.
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Tinkerer_ said:
As noted, in-ear headphones designed to seal against the outer ear canal are very sensitive to fitment and seal. This is one of their drawbacks, and also produces widely varying opinions about any given headphone model.
I can produce a wide range of response (audio quality) with the E80 and any other headphone of this type simply by adjusting the fit, and also by using different tips. The bass is especially affected.
Even when a good fit and seal is obtained, the fit tends to loosen with use and user movement, one must periodically reseat the headphones to restore the seal.
Also, even if a tip produces a good seal, it may produce inferior audio quality compared to another tip, depending on headphone and individual user ear canal shape. For example, the Comply tips produce inferior sound quality in my ears compared to the base silicone tips of the E80. I suspect because the Complys have a longer and thinner opening "duct" and more absorbent material, which veil more of the driver, constrict airflow more, and absorb more sound energy than the silicone tips.
The E80 produce excellent response across the frequency range for me with the large silicone tips, when firmly seated just-so. If they are not seated just right, the quality suffers, just like all other sealing type in-ears. I'm comparing to two good standalone stereos and also other headphones.
No offense, but the Shure line is typically poor quality audio. They roll off at about 16-18kHz, producing noticeably dull sound compared to decent headphones. They made their name in professional monitors, which are intended for reliablility and durability, for use by performers, not high fidelity.
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yet you spoke only about the sealing which is important indeed, but i was speaking about the drive capabilities of the earphone itself asuming perfect sealing.
even so... for my ears the 1more quad has the best seal and i never need to refit them even when i am out with my bike or running.
foam tips never give a good seal but they are a little more comfortable over long periods of time (several hours)
if the fit tends to lose it might mean that the e80 are not for your ears and you should try to find some other that do not have fitting problems.
professional studio monitors are not made with reliablility and durability being the first in mind but the sound reproduction to be as flat as possible which helps the sound producer to hear and correct the mistakes he made during composition.
every standalone stereos have colorised sound compared to studio monitors which are flat.
i was trying to make a point in flat sound because that si what op was asking for.
if you are saying that shure se846 are low quality earphones and e80 are superior in terms of sound quality, then... we have a problem.
which, unfortunately, you cannot correct.
it is curious how you say that foam tips produce lower quality sound because of the sealing problems...
what you hear is not lower quality sound because you are using them in a way they were not supposed to. you need that good sealing!
it's not the size of the duct, or the asbsorbing material, it's the sealing.
out of curiosity, what are the speakers you compared to and the other decent headphones?
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yet you spoke only about the sealing which is important indeed, but i was speaking about the drive capabilities of the earphone itself asuming perfect sealing.
even so... for my ears the 1more quad has the best seal and i never need to refit them even when i am out with my bike or running.
foam tips never give a good seal but they are a little more comfortable over long periods of time (several hours)
if the fit tends to lose it might mean that the e80 are not for your ears and you should try to find some other that do not have fitting problems.
professional studio monitors are not made with reliablility and durability being the first in mind but the sound reproduction to be as flat as possible which helps the sound producer to hear and correct the mistakes he made during composition.
every standalone stereos have colorised sound compared to studio monitors which are flat.
i was trying to make a point in flat sound because that si what op was asking for.
if you are saying that shure se846 are low quality earphones and e80 are superior in terms of sound quality, then... we have a problem.
which, unfortunately, you cannot correct.
it is curious how you say that foam tips produce lower quality sound because of the sealing problems...
what you hear is not lower quality sound because you are using them in a way they were not supposed to. you need that good sealing!
it's not the size of the duct, or the asbsorbing material, it's the sealing.
out of curiosity, what are the speakers you compared to and the other decent headphones?
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I refer to professional in-ear monitors used by performers on stage, such as made by Shure. These are quite different than headphones used in a studio for mixing and production, which are made for accurate audio.
I have not tried all Shure in-ears, but the ones I tried performed as one would expect judging by the specs indicating complete rolloff at 16-17 kHz. That is completely missing at least the top 4 kHz of nominal human hearing range, and the sound was pathetic. Dull, lifeless.
I suspect that this may be related to the use of heavier materials (for durability), which lower the upper natural frequency response due to greater inertia of moving parts.
I compare with a standalone system using an NAD receiver with Klipsch RF-3 speakers plus Klipsch 15" sub, and another with NAD preamp, AVA amp, and Infinite Slope speakers (no longer in business).
Headphones are a personal preference matter, the disagreements and debates never end. No doubt, many who find dull headphones e.g. Shure that only extend to 17 kHz to be "good", will say that other headphones that extend to 20 kHz and above (upper hearing frequency ranges) are "too bright", To each their own, I prefer to hear the full range including both upper and lower frequencies, of the music.
Best thing to do is buy a few different headphones to try from sellers with good return policies. Then you can decide for yourself.
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I refer to professional in-ear monitors used by performers on stage, such as made by Shure. These are quite different than headphones used in a studio for mixing and production, which are made for accurate audio.
I have not tried all Shure in-ears, but the ones I tried performed as one would expect judging by the specs indicating complete rolloff at 16-17 kHz. That is completely missing at least the top 4 kHz of nominal human hearing range, and the sound was pathetic. Dull, lifeless.
I suspect that this may be related to the use of heavier materials (for durability), which lower the upper natural frequency response due to greater inertia of moving parts.
I compare with a standalone system using an NAD receiver with Klipsch RF-3 speakers plus Klipsch 15" sub, and another with NAD preamp, AVA amp, and Infinite Slope speakers (no longer in business).
Headphones are a personal preference matter, the disagreements and debates never end. No doubt, many who find dull headphones e.g. Shure that only extend to 17 kHz to be "good", will say that other headphones that extend to 20 kHz and above (upper hearing frequency ranges) are "too bright", To each their own, I prefer to hear the full range including both upper and lower frequencies, of the music.
Best thing to do is buy a few different headphones to try from sellers with good return policies. Then you can decide for yourself.
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yes, professional in-ear monitors have a different purpose and i never used a pair. i think that nobody compose music only using headphones and everyone has a pair of monitors which sound very different compared to normal speakers which are made to soung 'good'. that's why i felt a big difference between a dac for audition and a audio interface designed for audio composition (burson conductor and audient id4). i liked the audient more becuse it sounds more natural. i always disable all effects from audio players and drivers.
i have tried only these shures (856) and i liked them (yes, they are a bit warm), nut i like more 1morequad and above all the speakers i have (m3-8)
i have done some tests and i cannot hear much above 17khz and even at this frequency it needs to be really amped to hear it clarly (or the source was bad)
brightness of a headphone doesn't mean that they extend to 20khz or above, it means that the hights are way louder than the rest of the range (i think that you already knew this). i think that what you are trying to say is that every headphone has its own signature and not all humans hear the same, but because of this debate never ends.
one fact is clear, after using the soundmagic for a week i had to sell them because they were literally hurting my ears and had to boy something else.
i do not know if you tried the 1more quad but the sound they produce are more clear and bit warmer than soundmagic (maybe because the highs are not that much amplified) and i can use them for a whole day without having any problems. (yes, same volume for both on modded nexus 5x and then high impedance mode for lg v30)
i also prefer to hear the full range but i do not prefer to sacrifice the lows for more highs.
other courious thought i have is that your audio equipment is way above soundmagic e80 yet you say they sound very good...
Hello friends i want to buy V30 plus because it has DAC, my doubt is whether i can use 32ohms earphone? will this sound good. Because i could see LG V30 plus supporting only above 50 ohms. is it true? please help. i have 1more quad drive earphones which so great in clarity.
P.K.Shivaram said:
Hello friends i want to buy V30 plus because it has DAC, my doubt is whether i can use 32ohms earphone? will this sound good. Because i could see LG V30 plus supporting only above 50 ohms. is it true? please help. i have 1more quad drive earphones which so great in clarity.
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It "supports" all earphones. It will adjust to make any earphones sound good.
Without root only those with about 50 ohms or more will get HIM (high impedance mode). Your can artificially trigger that by adding short 3.5mm accessory impedance plug with any earphones or through root.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/themes/whiskeyomegas-v30-sound-mods-t3757115
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It "supports" all earphones. It will adjust to make any earphones sound good.
Without root only those with about 50 ohms or more will get HIM ((high impedance mode). Your can artificially trigger that by adding short 3.5mm accessory impedance plug with any earphones or through root.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/themes/whiskeyomegas-v30-sound-mods-t3757115
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Thanks dude for the reply.:good:
TinAudio T2. 45$. mind blowing
Personally I think the 1more Triple Drivers are a better value (and sound just as good) as the 1more quads.
Hey everybody! I got my "SoundMAGIC E80S RED Reference Series Flagship Noise Isolating In-Ear Headphones with Microphone and Remote for all Smartphones + Extra eartips" yesterday.
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N0U9YMM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
So far I'm VERY pleased with them in comparison to the GGMM C800's I was using before:
https://smile.amazon.com/GGMM-Isola...qid=1536606946&sr=1-1&keywords=GGMM+C800&th=1
I actually felt like I NEEDED to get the new headphones because I was having a weird thing with the GGMM's where I couldn't get the volume loud enough even with the volume all the way up and ViPER4Andoid tweaks. It wasn't always that way but has become a recent issue.
Now with these SoundMAGIC E80S ones the sound is SUPER loud. I don't have the Hi-Fi Quad DAC volume set above like 33 and that's already quite loud. Actually this morning I had to tweak the Hi-Fi Quad DAC and ViPER4Android settings because the highs were so clear that it was actually painful. I was using the Magisk module for ViPER4Android 2.5.0.5 but I removed that and put the unofficial ViPER4Android 2.6.0.5 from "Team_DeWitt" in /system/priv-app instead:
https://labs.xda-developers.com/store/app/com.pittvandewitt.viperfx
So far it's working well except that it sometimes crashes and I have to restart it. The 2.5.0.5 Magisk version had problems where it would frequently go to "Processing: No" and I had to reboot to get it working again. This unofficial 2.6.0.5 version seems to have fixed that, which is awesome! Also on the 2.5.0.5 I was having a problem with some Convolver impulse response files (such as SRS_1-1.irs) where the volume would constantly dip for fractions of a second. It drove me nuts and I THINK so far that this 2.6.0.5 has fixed that too!
So anyway these SoundMAGIC E80S headphones are pretty freaking amazing. I needed to tweak the DAC and V4A but right now my ears are in heaven!
My son participates in several bands, and while the mic on the S9 is good I feel like I need something more.
I've tried this (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014Q9YUKG/), which gave me good quality for a couple of recordings before one of the internal circuit boards cracked.
Anyone doing this with theirs that can offer some advice? Ideally, I'd like it to be "portable", but for a nerdy band parent that is a flexible term.
Thanks, in advance, for any help you can provide.
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My son participates in several bands, and while the mic on the S9 is good I feel like I need something more.
I've tried this (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014Q9YUKG/), which gave me good quality for a couple of recordings before one of the internal circuit boards cracked.
Anyone doing this with theirs that can offer some advice? Ideally, I'd like it to be "portable", but for a nerdy band parent that is a flexible term.
Thanks, in advance, for any help you can provide.
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well, if youre willing to throw $160 on that item you linked above, im not sure this would be what youre after, but its a high quality outboard mic that is built specifically for stuff like this and its under $20
https://www.parts-express.com/dayto...MIs-3p6aH-5AIVERx9Ch0VRQkaEAQYAiABEgJhqPD_BwE
To my knowledge you won't get true stereo recording through the mic jack. Need a USB connection. Tried finding to record wife's performances, no luck with cheaper options.
Only usb mic for android that I located earlier this year was Shure MV88+ but I could not find this mic sold on its own. The Shure MV88+ "kit" for android includes accessories.
https://www.amazon.com/Shure-MV88-Digital-Condenser-Microphone/dp/B07M8JLFLK
Works well with Shure MotivAudio (cd quality 16bit/44.1 or 48kHz) and MotivVideo (44.1 or 48kHz audio in AAC 96, 128, or 256 format). Both Shure apps are free (so far).
PM if you want to see sample video from this mic using S9.
what exactly are you trying to capture? your previous rig looks like you were going to audio events. Concerts? Ted talk event type of thing? You a youtuber? what are the main focuses of your point in getting a better mic?
https://www.micreviews.com/guides/best-microphone-for-android