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Hey there,
I pre-ordered the Mate 10pro which will arrive in about two weeks here in Germany. Now there are some leaks of the Honor V10 which will be presented on December 5th and will be available probably early in 2018.
The specs seem to be very similar, especially the AI enhanced processor - so my question is:
What is the big difference, what will I lose when I take the V10 instead?
might as well wait a few more weeks. Imagine finding out after you bought a M10P only to find out something just as impressive at a third of the price. only 4 weeks to go.
Dito13 said:
Hey there,
I pre-ordered the Mate 10pro which will arrive in about two weeks here in Germany. Now there are some leaks of the Honor V10 which will be presented on December 5th and will be available probably early in 2018.
The specs seem to be very similar, especially the AI enhanced processor - so my question is:
What is the big difference, what will I lose when I take the V10 instead?
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With the bezeless 18:9 ratio and front fp, the v10 has caught my curiosity as well what they have to offer. Also on the lookout if there will be a Honor Magic, 2nd edition.
That said, no honor phones were on the Mate 9 pro level last year or even standard Mate 9. So i expect the same to be the case here as well. No reason to be disappointed unless your buying the Mate 10 pro with a heavy sigh over its price. Honor phones tick the main boxes like ram and same processor, but tend to cut corners were it is less of a highlight like for example getting a lesser quality display, lesser premium build although a catchy design, weaker audio or loudspeaker, no earphones included and so on. Honor 8 pro currently sold at 475£, so a 64gb V10 should be about 500£.
You also have to wait more for it (time = money) and by the time it releases outside China we get Huawei P11 series ready for launch. And then 2 months after that you get the Honor 10 launched, and so on. Its a never ending game. The timing looks like its launched to compete the Oneplus 5T, so not far fetched to expect the Honor V10 to launch in a particular market close to the OnePlus5T launch.
The main difference will likely be cameras.
If Honor v10 camera dont have OIS, go for mate 10. Other specs will probably the same with mate 10 with usually Honor design a bit better. Better wait for it, maybe can save a lot of money.
Sent from my Honor 8 Pro using XDA Labs
warea said:
With the bezeless 18:9 ratio and front fp, the v10 has caught my curiosity as well what they have to offer. Also on the lookout if there will be a Honor Magic, 2nd edition.
That said, no honor phones were on the Mate 9 pro level last year or even standard Mate 9. So i expect the same to be the case here as well. No reason to be disappointed unless your buying the Mate 10 pro with a heavy sigh over its price. Honor phones tick the main boxes like ram and same processor, but tend to cut corners were it is less of a highlight like for example getting a lesser quality display, lesser premium build although a catchy design, weaker audio or loudspeaker, no earphones included and so on. Honor 8 pro currently sold at 475£, so a 64gb V10 should be about 500£.
You also have to wait more for it (time = money) and by the time it releases outside China we get Huawei P11 series ready for launch. And then 2 months after that you get the Honor 10 launched, and so on. Its a never ending game. The timing looks like its launched to compete the Oneplus 5T, so not far fetched to expect the Honor V10 to launch in a particular market close to the OnePlus5T launch.
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That's not essentially true. The Honor V9 was on a par with the Mate 9 Pro, except for the camera. The V9 was better than the Mate 9 having higher resolution screen. The UK version - the Honor 8 Pro was the same, just only came with 64GB internal space.
I must admit I was annoyed after buying my Mate 10 only to see the Honor V10 announced with largely the same specs, but much lower cost!
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That's not essentially true. The Honor V9 was on a par with the Mate 9 Pro, except for the camera. The V9 was better than the Mate 9 having higher resolution screen. The UK version - the Honor 8 Pro was the same, just only came with 64GB internal space.
I must admit I was annoyed after buying my Mate 10 only to see the Honor V10 announced with largely the same specs, but much lower cost!
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Honor 8 pro released 4 months after Mate 9 and had the older generation dual 12mp Lecia camera with that iphonish design.
And the other aspect was that, at least in the middle east market the difference between Honor and Huawei was not that large as was the case in China. Out here, it was a difference of 50$ at best. Weirdly the Honor 9 is even costlier than the Huawei P10 and priced as much as Mate 9, see: https://store.hihonor.com/ae/index.php/honor/smartphones).
Whatever the case with V10 whether it makes the Mate 10 series obsolete/overpriced or not, we will know soon.
warea said:
Honor 8 pro released 4 months after Mate 9 and had the older generation dual 12mp Lecia camera with that iphonish design.
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The same as the V9? That was only 3 months behind it. So in essence, a cheaper Honor phone follows with largely the same specs and about 2/3 the price.
Don't get me wrong - I selected the Mate Pro 9 over the V9 - but if you can't afford the top line Huawei phones, then just wait. In this case, the V10 is not far behind and way better than the Mate 10 Lite.
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In this case, the V10 is not far behind and way better than the Mate 10 Lite.
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This part no doubt i agree, if people have real issue with price of Mate 10 series or any other Huawei phones, than you can wait for the Honor phones as that is exactly what the Honor brand addresses with their line of phones.
warea said:
Honor 8 pro released 4 months after Mate 9 and had the older generation dual 12mp Lecia camera with that iphonish design.
And the other aspect was that, at least in the middle east market the difference between Honor and Huawei was not that large as was the case in China. Out here, it was a difference of 50$ at best. Weirdly the Honor 9 is even costlier than the Huawei P10 and priced as much as Mate 9, see: https://store.hihonor.com/ae/index.php/honor/smartphones).
Whatever the case with V10 whether it makes the Mate 10 series obsolete/overpriced or not, we will know soon.
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I've been using P9, Honor 9 and Mate 10,
All i can say is that, this Leica name tag on Mate and P series is not for nothing,
Although Honor camera is no slouch either, but in terms of image processing, P and Mate series are clear winner,
Not to mention that Honor series normally remove OIS from its cam to save price.
honor series are non leica....cmiiw
bocaheror said:
honor series are non leica....cmiiw
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Yes, already mentioned.
V10 teaser is about AI
https://weibo.com/2554757470/FuVjQ6deS?refer_flag=1001030103_&type=comment
But i suspect, most of the AI functions would be like the case of Honor Magic that it functions only in China.
It'd have the Kirin 970 chipset eitherway
Thank you all guys for the interesting discussion! I guess I will check out the M10P first. I ordered it via Amazon so I can return it for 30 days.
What are your impressions concerning community support for Honor vs. Huawei here on XDA (custom ROMs, mods, root etc.)?
On other thought is that afaik Honor phones often have a much higher Sar value.
Grrr. The presentation in London was just about the 7x, not the V10 a.k.a. the Honor 9 pro.
This will likely be presented on January 7th...
Dito13 said:
Hey there,
I pre-ordered the Mate 10pro which will arrive in about two weeks here in Germany. Now there are some leaks of the Honor V10 which will be presented on December 5th and will be available probably early in 2018.
The specs seem to be very similar, especially the AI enhanced processor - so my question is:
What is the big difference, what will I lose when I take the V10 instead?
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Différences are :
- LCD Screen for honor 10
- Camera in low brightness
- Phone material
Are mate 10 pro and ni pro will get face unlock? Like v10
Huawei Mate 10
V10 this time is totally different from both Mate 10 series. Only similarity is the Kirin 970 chipset. Otherwise its specs is such that it is different from both Mate 10 and Mate 10 pro. IPS FHD+ 18:9 screen with front fp, older design language, slimmer with smaller battery, different camera specs for front and rear camera, headphone jack and memory expansion slot.
Hi Everyone! Huawei P20 was just launched today, looking at the specs --- I can't see much difference besides the Camera, do you think its possible to port its camera and so called "Master AI"?
Thanks!
Why only the camera? It should be possible to port over all of the software.
I think that Huawei should really provide an upgrade to 8.1 and all of the new software functionality. Pretty horrible to release a flagship phone and 6 months later simply forget about it.
Update: The camera app seems to be already available in a leak, see
https://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-8-pro/how-to/firmware-leak-t3760517
I'm pretty sure the mate 10 will get 8.1 in the next few months
tmzbeme said:
I'm pretty sure the mate 10 will get 8.1 in the next few months
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****few months .... ya but in a few months android 9 will be released and maybe we will get it in april 2019! I don't like Huawei updates nor sammy's ... i really hope nokia will release a proper flagship soon... android one is the way....
Mate 9 never got EMUI 5.1 / Android 7.1 that came out with P10 and P10 Pro
Relax, this is the first phone that gets android 8.1+ NNAPI integration and not just a simple 8.1 like nokia and essential did. Basically as the guy said above with the leaks, all of the new features of the P20 are coming to us and that takes some time to implement. Granted our brand new mate 10 pro aka huawei's flagship feels obsolate, outdated and lacking in hardware compared to the P20 series(speakers, wireless charge, bigger sensor, laser) but that will soon change in some part with android 8.1.. Hold your wallets and do patiense like we all do
Aethergr said:
Relax, this is the first phone that gets android 8.1+ NNAPI integration and not just a simple 8.1 like nokia and essential did. Basically as the guy said above with the leaks, all of the new features of the P20 are coming to us and that takes some time to implement. Granted our brand new mate 10 pro aka huawei's flagship feels obsolate, outdated and lacking in hardware compared to the P20 series(speakers, wireless charge, bigger sensor, laser) but that will soon change in some part with android 8.1.. Hold your wallets and do patiense like we all do
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How do you know all the new features of the P20 will come to the Mate 10?
@tboy2000: Huawei Mate 10 to get P20 AI features with Android 8.1
We have internal beta builds of 8.1 for the Mate 10 (non-Pro Chinese version) so they are being developed.
That being said, with the Mate 9 we also had internal builds of EMUI 5.1, but it was never released.
Most likely time to get the enhancements publicly is when Android P rolls out.
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@tboy2000: Huawei Mate 10 to get P20 AI features with Android 8.1
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Thanks. So it's not 'all the new features' of the P20. It's just some extra AI scenes. He did not confirm face unlock, super slow motion, AIS, etc etc
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Thanks. So it's not 'all the new features' of the P20. It's just some extra AI scenes. He did not confirm face unlock, super slow motion, AIS, etc etc
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Ofc its NOT ALL THE FEATURES of the P20, because some of them are hardware dependent, which Mate 10 Pro don`t have
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Ofc its NOT ALL THE FEATURES of the P20, because some of them are hardware dependent, which Mate 10 Pro don`t have
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I was just quoting Aethergr who said "all the features". I know some features are hardware dependant. Ok?
mrabcx said:
Why only the camera? It should be possible to port over all of the software.
I think that Huawei should really provide an upgrade to 8.1 and all of the new software functionality. Pretty horrible to release a flagship phone and 6 months later simply forget about it.
Update: The camera app seems to be already available in a leak, see
https://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-8-pro/how-to/firmware-leak-t3760517
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Has anyone tried to flash this camera?
kazprotos said:
Mate 9 never got EMUI 5.1 / Android 7.1 that came out with P10 and P10 Pro
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P10/P10Plus never got Android 7.1, I don't know what world you live in, but in our world neither P10 Pro nor ANY Huawei P/Mate with OEM Android 7.1 exists.
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smilirulz said:
Ofc its NOT ALL THE FEATURES of the P20, because some of them are hardware dependent, which Mate 10 Pro don`t have
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Actually NONE of the P20 AI features is hardware dependent compared to Mate 10/Pro, AIS is a software solution, it just needed to account for OIS which isn't hard. P20 Pro is a different story.
levizx said:
P10/P10Plus never got Android 7.1, I don't know what world you live in, but in our world neither P10 Pro nor ANY Huawei P/Mate with OEM Android 7.1 exists.
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Actually NONE of the P20 AI features is hardware dependent compared to Mate 10/Pro, AIS is a software solution, it just needed to account for OIS which isn't hard. P20 Pro is a different story.
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think again the option to record in 960 fps is hardware dependent along with a few other modes
Is it working on mate 10?
Camera was 'ported' (it works simply by replacing hwcamera2 in /product/app/) right after firmware was leaked.
Here's a Magisk module if anyone wants it: https://mega.nz/#!peB21LaS!BS_5OIn6_eG4U8PRZCEzd6wdZCftANdHiIyZbFTiE8k
ante0 said:
Camera was 'ported' (it works simply by replacing hwcamera2 in /product/app/) right after firmware was leaked.
Here's a Magisk module if anyone wants it: https://mega.nz/#!peB21LaS!BS_5OIn6_eG4U8PRZCEzd6wdZCftANdHiIyZbFTiE8k
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Waiting for this, you are a bit late here to share the magisk for camera but a big thanks for you.
k4fari said:
Waiting for this, you are a bit late here to share the magisk for camera but a big thanks for you.
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I saw this thread today
The P20 Camera app looks nicer at least
Hello, I was interested flashing the port however I'm kinda stuck whether if I root my phone (includes unlocking bootloader) will I still be able to receive and flash updates thru the updates checker? Or every time update is installed, I'll have to reroot it again. Recently came from note 3, flashing and doing things in Huawei are kinda different. I bricked my Note 3 several times and used odin tons of times so makes me think twice before doing things bec not much of stock firmware is available for flashing
I need to buy a phone soon. Wife cracked her screen and I will be giving her my mate 9 that I've been pretty happy with.
So I'm looking to buy either a mate 10 pro which is $470 on Amazon or the new OP6T. I've tried both of them out and the 6T is looking very sexy and modern but I reckon that feeling will wear off in a few days. I feel like the 10 pro may have better battery and camera.
Which bring me to my criteria. I need dual sim, good battery and camera and I don't root etc and don't have a problem with Emui.
Thoughts?
Mate 10 Pro have a better camera and better battery.
OP6T looks very good ..
In my opinion (I rooting all my phones).. I don't buy Huawei phone because has removed the community due to blocking access to the bootloader
OP 6T if you don't mind the battery. There's the Google Camera port for the OP 6T plus it supports 4K EIS for video recording. Also the 845 is better than the kirin 970
Well the 6T has an iffy fingerprint reader, the camera sucks (and it's not just the software) and just installing a port of the Google camera doesn't fix that. As far as the CPU goes, that's kind of subjective, the Kirin 970 is a very capable processor. The Kirin 970 has their advanced modem and will give you very good LTE speeds (I'm getting between 45 to 90mbps versus 18 to 24mbps with my mate 9) For a dual SIM phone I would really go with the mate 10 pro BLA-L29 international model, just remember that if you're in the US it won't have any warranty
I like the normal mate 10 over the mate 10 pro. Has headphone jack and front finger print sensor that acts as the 3 buttons too
Granted I don't have a pro version to compare against except on paper specs...
Appreciate the answers. The more I want to get the OP6T the more the 10 pro is looking better. Did the 10 pro dual sim version get the P20 pro night mode? If it did is it as good?
stay away from huawei after closed unlock bootloader service, and also there's no supporting for it,, and if you insist on mate 10 pro stay with Chinese version they have all support for OTA update.
OnePlus 6T is better with SD845 you'll have a lot of supporting from Developers, rom's, kernels, tweaks,, a lots of things.
i bought mate 10, 128G and 6Gb ram and i hate it after fkng huawei closed unlock service.
hamadazh said:
stay away from huawei after closed unlock bootloader service, and also there's no supporting for it,, and if you incest on mate 10 pro stay with Chinese version they have all support for OTA update.
OnePlus 6T is better with SD845 you'll have a lot of supporting from Developers, rom's, kernels, tweaks,, a lots of things.
i bought mate 10, 128G and 6Gb ram and i hate it after fkng huawei closed unlock service.
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Why do you assume everyone cares if the bootloader is locked?
IMO the mate 10 pro has better battery life, better camera, and is waterproof (plus I actually like EMUI and its features)
I have the mate 10 pro, battery is very good, but the most you get with pro mode and playing around with many settings... It's not the easy quick perfect picture camera. It has received many updates and it's camera is very capable (night mode of course is not as good as p20pro, it's got different sensors)
The op6t camera is very good. Some people here said it's trash but they are talking Bs. Just take a look for yourself and Google samples from op6 or 6t users. It's a great camera.
But I would go with the op6t any day. The kirin 970 is good on paper and benchmarks but it overheats very fast, I cannot play pubg on lowest settings after 10min it thermothrottles and fps drop. The op6t just has the newer gen CPU which will be important going forward if you are going to keep the phone for 3+ years.
The op6t battery is very similar in size I don't think the difference should be too big to be a deciding factor. Both have fast face unlock though the fingerprint reader ist different. Decide what you like better.
All in all I think op6t is the more up to date phone which will also receive more updates and has better hardware for the upcoming 3years of use. The m10pro is more like the old, strong buddy that can still keep up. But the question is for how long.
I've been using the mate 10 Pro for nearly a year. Mine is running June security update and no software update for 5 months.
I'm selling my mate 10 Pro and buying the OnePlus 6t this week.
I've had enough of Huawei lack of support and updates.
I wouldn't buy Huawei again.
I've been using a regular mate 10 for a year and mine stays up to date. I don't use anything special, the updates just come over the air. It seems some people don't get updates but both my mate 9 and 10 keep getting updates.
What update you are looking for? Mate 10 Pro has all security patches. If you are talking about Android 8.1 it is not that major update and maybe that is why only China models received it. The next Major Android 9 will soon be available and that's what matters.
UK version C782 are still on June security patch and 132. We are 6 months behind with bug fixing updates improvements and most important security! We have been left behind in the UK and that is why we are all jumping ship
10 pro. I already had oneplus devices, and didn't like them as much as I did with the Huawei ones. Imo, the build quality is far better. It's on par with Apple. The camera is fantastic. The battery is a major goal. At first, I was having problems to get use with EMUI, in the end I passed to like it. It's not as good as oxygen os, but it's have been improving. So, I'll keep my 10 pro for more 6 months or a year.
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[...] The kirin 970 is good on paper and benchmarks but it overheats very fast, I cannot play pubg on lowest settings after 10min it thermothrottles and fps drop. The op6t just has the newer gen CPU which will be important going forward if you are going to keep the phone for 3+ years. [...]
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Hu, something's wrong with your device. I play PUBG on higher setting everyday with coworkers at lunch, and I can play at least 30 minutes (since pause are not longer than that) consuming only 13% battery (not from 100%) and getting a 30-35°C that is not so hot, comparing to iPhone 8S that drain twice as much and can be barely kept in hand for the same lenght of time. Maybe some phone are better, but well, mate 10 pro is really good a handling games. My nintendo switch got hotter than that...
That said, I do not like the overhsarpening/oil-ing effect of the camera, so, even mid-tier camera are better for me, I would not go for the mate 10 for the camera.
numbnutsuk said:
UK version C782 are still on June security patch and 132. We are 6 months behind with bug fixing updates improvements and most important security! We have been left behind in the UK and that is why we are all jumping ship
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I'm not, albeit I've rebranded to c432. I had an OP3 and came to Huawei primarily for the battery life, and here the Mate 10 pro still has nearly 10% bigger battery.
tmzbeme said:
Why do you assume everyone cares if the bootloader is locked?
IMO the mate 10 pro has better battery life, better camera, and is waterproof (plus I actually like EMUI and its features)
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as you like,, and you already like it!! and it's just opinion :good: no one force you to not buying it,, for me i like that things like unlocked bootloader and root and play in system and change rom's etc,, and i wish to replace my mate 10 with OnePlust 6t,, or other brand.
regards
Anything but Huawei. With a custom ROM things are okay, but relying on Huawei to update? Yes, they currently still treat this device as a flagship. But my other phone, a P10 Plus already lagging behind. Luckily I do have the bootloader unlocked on that device, so that's a relief.
If I had to do a comparison, Huawei updates are like Samsung. Be glad if you ever get them. Is OnePlus that great? Nope. Fingerprint sucks, camera sucks, battery sucks, warranty is the worst out of any manufacturer.
What to buy? Great question!
Been struggling with the same problem. There is just no choice on the market without compromise. Huawei had it all with the large battery, best of the best inside, but they decided to flip off customers and disallow the bootloader unlock.
Rip. I would probably buy a OnePlus 5T, Poco F1 (has no NFC and some screens have touch issues).
Dear All Mate 10 Users,
I have updated to EMUI 9 (c185) using HiCare app (2 days Back) . I was really looking for google AR core and apps that measure stuff. I am disappointed. Any Solutions? I have never rooted this Mobile and I don't know if rooting is worth it or not (Kindly Guide)
I have gotten Super Slow Motion 940Fps Recording with the update (not sure if EMUI 9 brought it or it was there from before) but I dont like the new interface for camera. I am yet to notice any bad battery backup problem and I'll update on it shortly as well.
I have noticed that my Wi-fi dropped multiple times .. but it seems to have stabled for now (Don't know how, or whether it'll return back...)
Call Quality .. has gone bad, I mean its sometimes good as before or its all static like ... Noticed it few times (Never Happened Before).
Music Application is PATHETIC. Solution for this is needed in my opinion (What do you guys suggest?) I have spotify on my mobile but I am not an avid user, I don't know how I can use Spotify to play my own offline library..
I've emailed Huawei support and the response was disappointing, I've been waiting the Arcore support since they launched the phone, and really hopped they will give us that at same time with P20 line, (since both lines have the exact same hardware aside the extra lens on the pro models), this was the response:
Dear Mr. Mares, receive a warm greeting from the Huawei team.
We understand the importance of receiving all the updates in your Mate 10 so we inform you that the new updates in which we work will be released as soon as possible, this is done gradually to avoid a congestion on the server at the time of the download and that generates an error in the installation, the updates are send by compilation number, regions, stocks and other variants. The arcore update to create 3D objects for the moment dont have a date to be launch in the Mate 10, we are deeply sorry for the inconveniences.
When the update is ready, automatically your device will indicate by means of a notification via HOTA (Huawei Over The Air) which you only have to accept to start the download and installation.
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I've emailed Huawei support and the response was disappointing, I've been waiting the Arcore support since they launched the phone, and really hopped they will give us that at same time with P20 line, (since both lines have the exact same hardware aside the extra lens on the pro models), this was the response:
Dear Mr. Mares, receive a warm greeting from the Huawei team.
We understand the importance of receiving all the updates in your Mate 10 so we inform you that the new updates in which we work will be released as soon as possible, this is done gradually to avoid a congestion on the server at the time of the download and that generates an error in the installation, the updates are send by compilation number, regions, stocks and other variants. The arcore update to create 3D objects for the moment dont have a date to be launch in the Mate 10, we are deeply sorry for the inconveniences.
When the update is ready, automatically your device will indicate by means of a notification via HOTA (Huawei Over The Air) which you only have to accept to start the download and installation.
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Sad Stuff, I am waiting here
alimujtaba786 said:
Sad Stuff, I am waiting here
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i was to, not expecting much from them now
I wanna know why the score is low compare to 8x and 3i even they have the same processor?
Huawei’s Y9 launching 10 January 2019
Huawei will introduce the Y9 to India which is going to be launched in Delhi on 10 January 2019. The Y9 was already released in the Chinese market in October last year. It is also called the Huawei Enjoy 9 Plus in China. It is expected to have the same specifications as its initial release in China.
the fingerprint scanner sensor, however, is situated at the back, a 3.5mm headphone jack at the bottom, and the phone weighs around 173g. It will be launched tomorrow in India, stay tuned for a detailed review of the Y9, whether this phone is worth buying or not.
I have been around for 2 months now with a Y9 (2019). I really have been impressed by the performance of this phone. For the price range it is a totally recommendable offer because without spending a lot of money you can have a phone that complies with the basic services and even with good results.
Has promised an update to EMUI 9 so it still has support
I've tried Asphalt 9, PUBG, War Wings and they all run great
The battery and the screen are 2 of its strongest points
The camera is the one that does not have the best quality but for its price is acceptable
The Enjoy 9 Plus and this are the same phone, everything is exactly the same, I have had them side by side, only that in the Chinese market is called like that.
Finally ... compared to the 3i you can lose only the materials of construction and in camera, but in the rest is equal in performance