Just wanted to share this very direct comparison I found on YouTube, directly comparing the Snapdragon 855 to the Exynos 9820 both running on S10 software. Really not looking great for Exynos in relative comparison to the Snapdragon at least for the S10. Let me know what you guys think about this comparison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgRnbm9wrzg
Low_Key_Slaps said:
Just wanted to share this very direct comparison I found on YouTube, directly comparing the Snapdragon 855 to the Exynos 9820 both running on S10 software. Really not looking great for Exynos in relative comparison to the Snapdragon at least for the S10. Let me know what you guys think about this comparison.
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1. Will that translate to real world? We all know the grain of salt to take with benchmarks.
2. That's as good as it gets for SD, exynos will have custom kernels that could improve performance.
Not to mention the exynos could have an edge on battery. I'm not worried a bit.
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1. Will that translate to real world? We all know the grain of salt to take with benchmarks.
2. That's as good as it gets for SD, exynos will have custom kernels that could improve performance.
Not to mention the exynos could have an edge on battery. I'm not worried a bit.
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I am also curious to know how this translates. The guy who created this benchmarks specifically states its supposed to translate to real world performance pretty well, but that's taking his word for it. We will see.
https://www.androidauthority.com/speed-test-g-926659/
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1. Will that translate to real world? We all know the grain of salt to take with benchmarks.
2. That's as good as it gets for SD, exynos will have custom kernels that could improve performance.
Not to mention the exynos could have an edge on battery. I'm not worried a bit.
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1. That depends on the user. Nobody really cares about a phone talking an extra second or two to open an app but if it's work related then your time wasted is money lost.
2. There are Snapdragon variants with unlocked bootloader's as well.
3. It doesn't. There are videos on YouTube you can search for.
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1. That depends on the user. Nobody really cares about a phone talking an extra second or two to open an app but if it's work related then your time wasted is money lost.
2. There are Snapdragon variants with unlocked bootloader's as well.
3. It doesn't. There are videos on YouTube you can search for.
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Do you happen to know which regions/models specifically will have an unlocked bootloader? How much development do you think we will see for those few models?
Really want an exynos chispset for the unlock, but none of them support band 71 as far as I know. Currently faced with a huge dilemma
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2. There are Snapdragon variants with unlocked bootloader's as well.
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Any info on who's selling a S10 SD with an unlocked bootloader?
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Do you happen to know which regions/models specifically will have an unlocked bootloader? How much development do you think we will see for those few models?
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Any info on who's selling a S10 SD with an unlocked bootloader?
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I'm sorry, I was under the impression that the Latin American and Hong Kong Snapdragon variants were unlocked from the start (previous models) but turns out they need to be unlocked manually, I assume though some type of vulnerability.
People are talking about cancelling preorders... Kneejerk reaction, or justified? Hard to say, but I do know Samsung set loose the very first update of many. Perhaps it'll shrink the performance delta.
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People are talking about cancelling preorders... Kneejerk reaction, or justified? Hard to say, but I do know Samsung set loose the very first update of many. Perhaps it'll shrink the performance delta.
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Thinking serious kneejerk borderlining on freakout, but I'll know tomorrow night. Coming from a Pixel 3 so I have a good standard to judge performance from.
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Thinking serious kneejerk borderlining on freakout, but I'll know tomorrow night. Coming from a Pixel 3 so I have a good standard to judge performance from.
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What we've been shown won't necessarily translate to "real" usage. The iPhone XS blows just about everything out of the water. Despite that, certain Android phones match it in silly speed tests.
The average consumer uses social media, YouTube, navigation, browser, and streams music/movies. Considering how well these run on budget phones I'm certain the 9820 will meet - if not exceed the expectations of buyers. Now... the area everyone wants to know about is efficiency. Will the SD or Exy take the crown this year?
Samsung has proven it knows what it's doing with exynos in years past. If there does happen to be an issue, I'm certain they can issue a fix for their in-house built processor.
Isn't this just the same old fundamental issue Anandtech much talked about with the Exynos S9 last year? At least its not looking as bad as last year's SOC.
Exynos fares better here (compared to other reviews).
https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s10_plus-review-1901p5.php
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What we've been shown won't necessarily translate to "real" usage. The iPhone XS blows just about everything out of the water. Despite that, certain Android phones match it in silly speed tests.
The average consumer uses social media, YouTube, navigation, browser, and streams music/movies. Considering how well these run on budget phones I'm certain the 9820 will meet - if not exceed the expectations of buyers. Now... the area everyone wants to know about is efficiency. Will the SD or Exy take the crown this year?
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I can't post it because I'm new but Look at this one "Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus vs iPhone XS Max - Speed Test!" by XEETECHCARE, how can such "slow" chip defeat the XS Max most of the time? If Exynos is so crappy why does it still beat it?
Still no videos about the SD version against the iPhone, in theory it should beat it even harder, but I started to think that the power settings they use on the Exynos are more conservative, at least I hope that's the case.
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I can't post it because I'm new but Look at this one "Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus vs iPhone XS Max - Speed Test!" by XEETECHCARE, how can such "slow" chip defeat the XS Max most of the time? If Exynos is so crappy why does it still beat it?
Still no videos about the SD version against the iPhone, in theory it should beat it even harder, but I started to think that the power settings they use on the Exynos are more conservative, at least I hope that's the case.
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That is very impressive. Usually iphones are extremely hard to beat. It's good to see that Samsung is finally learning to remove bloatware and create much lighter software.
Here it is for anyone else;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uru9AnkgzHc
I think mostly the speed might come from UFS3.0. Soon someone will put snap vs exynos version next to each other, test it out and see which one is better so we will get a full picture. I don't play on my phone so day to day tasks and smoothness are the most important for me... Oh and battery life
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I think mostly the speed might come from UFS3.0. Soon someone will put snap vs exynos version next to each other, test it out and see which one is better so we will get a full picture. I don't play on my phone so day to day tasks and smoothness are the most important for me... Oh and battery life
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The S10 phones have UFS 2.1, the first phone with UFS 3.0 will be the Galaxy Fold
That xs max vs s10 video, scrolling was pretty choppy on the right phone.
The exynos model is alot better for battery life than the s9. As mentioned above the exynos model will usually run smoother and have better battery life.
Just got my S10e G970F setup and updated to the new patch with Feb security. This thing flies. Repeat.. no performance issues in casual use and I'm not sure under what conditions there would be issues. I'm sure Pubg runs just fine. Feels a noticable step faster than my Pixel 3, which is exactly what I was expecting. Full day battery test tomorrow..
Benchmarks are nothing.
(And really liking this phone so far)
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Hey everyone, currently i have HTC desire and i'm about to buy a new phone... Which phone should i get? Galaxy S II,evo 3d or optimus 3d? The most thing i care about is the hardware,which phone is faster and of course updates... I've heard that galaxy s2 and optimus 3d are both great phones, but i need to pick the right one as i wont be buying another phone for a few months One thing i dont like about the galaxy s tho, is the 3 buttons. The standard buttons for an android phone are 4, right? dunno if that will lead to any probs in some apps? anyways, hope you guys can help me out to pick the right phone
Well the only button you're missing is search. And unless you search a lot, then it's pretty much more of nuisance than a function.
For the evo 3d/optimus, do you need 3d? Do your eyes hurt when viewing 3d? Are you willing to pay the extra buck just for 3d? Do you even want 3d videos or pictures? Those are questions you have to ask yourself.
Now obviously in terms of regular screen use to the average consumer, the galaxy s 2 comes 1st with it's top notch super amoled plus display. It also has size in it's favour also, with being extra thing to very light. CPU? Well i'm in favour of samsung's exynos being the best right now. Nothing really to back it up right now however, but it's better than tegra 2 at the very least. Also if you're a media hog, the galaxy s 2 is your device.
However you're not really going to get the best answers here due to the fact that you're asking in a sgs 2 forum, which naturally, should be populated by users who favour the sgs 2.
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Well the only button you're missing is search. And unless you search a lot, then it's pretty much more of nuisance than a function.
For the evo 3d/optimus, do you need 3d? Do your eyes hurt when viewing 3d? Are you willing to pay the extra buck just for 3d? Do you even want 3d videos or pictures? Those are questions you have to ask yourself.
Now obviously in terms of regular screen use to the average consumer, the galaxy s 2 comes 1st with it's top notch super amoled plus display. It also has size in it's favour also, with being extra thing to very light. CPU? Well i'm in favour of samsung's exynos being the best right now. Nothing really to back it up right now however, but it's better than tegra 2 at the very least. Also if you're a media hog, the galaxy s 2 is your device.
However you're not really going to get the best answers here due to the fact that you're asking in a sgs 2 forum, which naturally, should be populated by users who favour the sgs 2.
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Hmm great answer bud, and no, I'm really not that much into 3d. I'm really considering to buy this phone when it comes out, i just hope they will care enough to update their software when a new android version is out. Another reason too buy this phone is that, here in norway we will get the Exynos version that is running at 1,2 GHz.
Put 3D, AMOLED and CPU aside, i'll still favour SGSII over an HTC/LG phone because of its superior camera and audio quality.
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However you're not really going to get the best answers here due to the fact that you're asking in a sgs 2 forum, which naturally, should be populated by users who favour the sgs 2.
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This is so true.
btw does anyone know how many multitouch it supports?
i remember the screen of the original SGS can handle 16 points simultaneously so i expect SGSII will be as good as that at least. any screen that can track more than 2 touches accurately is good compare to my HTC Desire lol
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i remember the screen of the original SGS can handle 16 points simultaneously so i expect SGSII will be as good as that at least. any screen that can track more than 2 touches accurately is good compare to my HTC Desire lol
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haha that's right, i can't stand the multitouch on my desire. But 16 points simultaneously :O thats awesome
I'm also on the HTC desire, and the memory issues have forced me to set A2SD (SLOW) in order to make the phone useable.
IMHO, the fact that the original galaxy s has a GPU that still outperforms anything out there ATM is a key indicator of the sheer power we should await with the sII's quad-core mali 400
As for the evo, the processor still relies on an A8 cortex, while the SII uses an A9... plus Super Amoled Plus is VERY key
Just putting it out there. The A9 holds no advantages over A8 that are being used in any of the phones they have been produced in (DDR3 ram isn't being used in any phones are they?). So it is irrelevant right now to say a phone is better since it has a A9 core.
I'm going for the Galaxy S 2. Amazing g camera, I love the build quality, I like the slim design, and the speed will be awesome.
They're all great phones but I don't really need aa 3D display, nor do I want one. I life in a 3D world, I don't want my movies to be in 3D, it takes away from the experience.
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IMHO, the fact that the original galaxy s has a GPU that still outperforms anything out there ATM is a key indicator of the sheer power we should await with the sII's quad-core mali 400
As for the evo, the processor still relies on an A8 cortex, while the SII uses an A9... plus Super Amoled Plus is VERY key
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Can't agree more... I'm using a SE Xperia arc atm which is considered (with its "Bravia engine" label) to have one of the best non Super amoled screen from many reviewers and man... it is still a big piece of crap omg I forgot how to watch that type of screens after spending 6 month with my Galaxy S
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haha that's right, i can't stand the multitouch on my desire. But 16 points simultaneously :O thats awesome
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The Desire and Nexus One were the last devices HTC put that pathetic touch screen on. The latest thing I heard HTC used was the Maxtouch, which supposedly supports "unlimited" (probably 10-16) touches.
Even so, I still would get the SGSII. It just seems amazing.
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Can't agree more... I'm using a SE Xperia arc atm which is considered (with its "Bravia engine" label) to have one of the best non Super amoled screen from many reviewers and man... it is still a big piece of crap omg I forgot how to watch that type of screens after spending 6 month with my Galaxy S
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HTC launches 5 phones to beat the competition and Samsung release one phone....like Samsung Galaxy s was most selling Android Device ever...mean while HTC release a new phone every month like crazy....lol....LG has some good android phones but none can beat galaxy S series..so forget about Galaxy S2....I use galaxy S and I am telling you i cannot live without SAMOLED screen...just imagine advance version of that...
Even in this comparison between HTC sensation and SGS 2,......I think Samsung beat HTC again......Even tho I dont know how good TouchWiz 4.0 will be...But still it will be better then HTC sense...And I am hoping it will be easy to root and Custom Rommed as Current galaxy S series...Looking forward to buy this phone...
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Just putting it out there. The A9 holds no advantages over A8 that are being used in any of the phones they have been produced in (DDR3 ram isn't being used in any phones are they?). So it is irrelevant right now to say a phone is better since it has a A9 core.
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A9 features out of order processing so runs faster in bottle necks - also over clocks better
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A9 features out of order processing so runs faster in bottle necks - also over clocks better
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what do you mean with overclock better? does it run at lower voltage than a typical a8 then?
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what do you mean with overclock better? does it run at lower voltage than a typical a8 then?
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I'm assuming (and correct me if I'm wrong) that the chips are able to handle being overclocked better than others. THey might not generate as much heat; if they do however, they would be more stable than other.
Similar to the chip in the Inspire and G2 OC'ing to 1.5 and being stable.
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I'm assuming (and correct me if I'm wrong) that the chips are able to handle being overclocked better than others. THey might not generate as much heat; if they do however, they would be more stable than other.
Similar to the chip in the Inspire and G2 OC'ing to 1.5 and being stable.
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well, i dont know aswell, if the chip is based on smaller nm scale then yeah that would probably make a bit more sense as it would require less voltage, but i have no information about the chip differences right now.
Just a waiting game until the device is out.
If OC'ing this device does actually occur (which it eventually would), then I wonder the affect it would have on the battery. Although, I think having Dual Core 1.2Ghz is quite sufficient at the moment.
I guess there will be diffrent profiles so you can change clock and volt.
So it takes less power on standby .
On my Noka N900 i have a widget so i can change overclock in seconds.
950mhz when surfing and when i need to save batteri i choise another profile ..
C'mon this thing is a savage beast ! I would rather think of Underclocking it ! Exynos Dual core at 1Ghz should be sufficient to do EVERYTHING you can do on an android smartphone and that includes the most demanding games and every task you can imagine, I mean just watch all the vids of those prototypes runnig buttery smooth and they're all running at 1Ghz
OMG I can't wait this is so epic
So my ****hole of a country just announced we're getting the Samsung Galaxy S2 with the Trega 2 processors at 1.0 Ghz, but at least it's with the SAMOLED+.
It's the i9103 I'm guessing?
So are there any test or benchmarks of this version of the Galaxy S2 anywhere?
All of civilized civilization got the Exynos and obviously it a very good CPU. So all of the reviews out there are indeed of the 1.2 Ghz Exynos model.
So I can't really find a benchmark on the Terga 2 version.
Does anyone know of any tests?
UPDATE
In the end it turns out that this was just a press release mixup and Croatia is indeed getting the exynos version!
I feel you man But we'll be in the same boat when the NFC i9100 comes along...
I'd sure like to believe that... but considering that literally no one in Croatia uses NFC I doubt we'll get it at all.
It sucks. I guess that I will buy my device in Slovenija. Guess they will have exynos version?
One of my friends say:"My country-little banana"
Not a ****hole, it's a really nice country
Anyway, you can always import one from other countries, I imported mine from UK. Of course guarantee might be a problematic issue if anything goes wrong, but oh well...
I wouldn't be that concerned if I were you
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So my ****hole of a country just announced we're getting the Samsung Galaxy S2 with the Trega 2 processors at 1.0 Ghz, but at least it's with the SAMOLED+.
It's the i9103 I'm guessing?
So are there any test or benchmarks of this version of the Galaxy S2 anywhere?
All of civilized civilization got the Exynos and obviously it a very good CPU. So all of the reviews out there are indeed of the 1.2 Ghz Exynos model.
So I can't really find a benchmark on the Terga 2 version.
Does anyone know of any tests?
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At least you won't have problems with playing 3D games.
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Not a ****hole, it's a really nice country
Anyway, you can always import one from other countries, I imported mine from UK. Of course guarantee might be a problematic issue if anything goes wrong, but oh well...
I wouldn't be that concerned if I were you
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It sucks. I guess that I will buy my device in Slovenija. Guess they will have exynos version?
One of my friends say:"My country-little banana"
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Yeah problem is I don't really have 600€ or more to spend on the device I'd only get it on T-mobile because I have tons of points and I waited 6 months to renew the contract. So It would be more along the lines of 100~200€ with the contracts and stuff...
Also I live in Osijek and thats really far away from Austria, Italy or Slovenia...
It wouldn't bother me if the UK version was the Tegra 2, previously had a Optimus x2 with tegra 2 and it was nice and fast, wouldn't have concerned me either way but maybe look at some Optimus X2 benchies to give you an idea.
Before I sold the 2x to get this phone I had it clocked up to 1.4 gig without any issues but I can't for the life of me remember the quadrant score I got on it
It will probably be faster clock for clock....
valdigre said:
Not a ****hole, it's a really nice country
Anyway, you can always import one from other countries, I imported mine from UK. Of course guarantee might be a problematic issue if anything goes wrong, but oh well...
I wouldn't be that concerned if I were you
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Warranty means a lot these days...
As always, we in Croatia get crumbs...sad, real sad
At least with the Tegra 2, it will play all the new 3D HD-version games being released in the market whereas the Exynos version needs to wait for someone to hack the apk.
lol at OPs reference to his country
Anyway I had an atrix which I canned for an SGS2. I realize its not comparing apples to apples but the samsung feels a lot snappier / faster / smoother. I have the sammy powered with the exynos.
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It wouldn't bother me if the UK version was the Tegra 2, previously had a Optimus x2 with tegra 2 and it was nice and fast, wouldn't have concerned me either way but maybe look at some Optimus X2 benchies to give you an idea.
Before I sold the 2x to get this phone I had it clocked up to 1.4 gig without any issues but I can't for the life of me remember the quadrant score I got on it
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May I ask why you sold it to get the S2?
I think we can run the tegra games with the chainfire driver now cant we so that may no longer be an issue?
I also think that Exynos will start picking up support in some games anyway if it sells well enough.
I feel for you tegra lot
Performance Tests
You Can test it self download Quadrant standart from the android market
Exynos got = 3453 for me
Tegra got = ?
Just look at the tegra flash performance in web browsing. Exynos can take 1080 in web page. Can tegra do that?
We can tell: well it is not so bad, and lie to ourselves.
Do you think that all of the europe got exynos because it is worse? Do you think that they want so succeed more in Germany, France, UK or in Croatia? I think that they give best products to more "important", demanding, markets.
Seriously, the Tegra is not that far behind the Exynos, so as long as you get the SAmoled + screen and the full 1Gb Ram (which are the main differences with the optimus) you'll be fine.
If you see the benchmarks, the Tegra and the Exynos (optimus 2x vs SGS2) are pretty similar in performance, and both can be OCed if you need more power. The main difference in the benchmarks so far was the software (bloatware), and in your case, it'll be the same, no problems there. Simply wait for a good custom rom and enjoy!
Furthermore, you'll have better compatibility with games without hacks (God bless Chainfire!) and better texture support, so you'll be even better in some areas.
I would go ahead and grab the Tegra version. It may respond 0.025 seconds more slowly when browsing, but most of the phone functions will work just the same, you'll be able to play games of the Tegra zone without any glitch, and you'll get the phone at a much lower price and still have the warranty in case anything goes wrong!
edit: and just in case, to give some numbers:
h t t p : // w w w .inspiredgeek.com/2011/03/13/samsung-galaxy-sii-s2-exynos-4210-vs-tegra-2-which-version-will-be-better/
We all know that benchmarks don't really mean anything, the important thing is the response of the phone once you have it in your hands, but I don't think it'll be a bad phone for having Tegra, in any case.
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I do not realy know when I needed my warranty last time - I belive it was with the Motorolo T920 or whatever was it (one of the first "colourfull" phones mamy years ago...).
I'w got my SGSII just yesterday and my first impression is - my SGS has better contrast then the SGSII...
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Just look at the tegra flash performance in web browsing. Exynos can take 1080 in web page. Can tegra do that?
We can tell: well it is not so bad, and lie to ourselves.
Do you think that all of the europe got exynos because it is worse? Do you think that they want so succeed more in Germany, France, UK or in Croatia? I think that they give best products to more "important", demanding, markets.
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It's not like I'm not used to it, its always been like that, we're just a second rate country.
I mean look at game prices here, hell even hardware prices like consoles at stuff.
300$ for a PS3 in America, 600$ for a PS3 in Croatia.
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Seriously, the Tegra is not that far behind the Exynos, so as long as you get the SAmoled + screen and the full 1Gb Ram (which are the main differences with the optimus) you'll be fine.
If you see the benchmarks, the Tegra and the Exynos (optimus 2x vs SGS2) are pretty similar in performance, and both can be OCed if you need more power. The main difference in the benchmarks so far was the software (bloatware), and in your case, it'll be the same, no problems there. Simply wait for a good custom rom and enjoy!
Furthermore, you'll have better compatibility with games without hacks (God bless Chainfire!) and better texture support, so you'll be even better in some areas.
I would go ahead and grab the Tegra version. It may respond 0.025 seconds more slowly when browsing, but most of the phone functions will work just the same, you'll be able to play games of the Tegra zone without any glitch, and you'll get the phone at a much lower price and still have the warranty in case anything goes wrong!
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Well actually you see I'll get the phone at an inflated Croatian price thats higher then most EU prices, Exynos prices. You see Tegra isn't a lower cost alternative to Samsung but not the the countries it's being sold to, here it costs just as much as a Exynos one.
But I can't just buy/import a 600€ I don't have that money for god sakes thats the average monthly pay here, so the only way I can get it is via contract.
And via contract it will cost 100~200€ with all kinds of benifits that I have while in the UK you get a Samsung Galaxy S2 with Exynos for 0 pounds with a 35 pound monthly contract.
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I have been waiting for the note to come to AT&T so I don't have the cost and risk of importing the international version. (I'm going to be with AT&T anyway so they may as well subsidise my costs).
My concern though is the commentary about how bad the snapdragon setup is vs the Sammy Ex CPU. Combine this with the extra drain on the battery from LTE and it's starting to look like a very gimped proposition in comparison to the international handset.
So my question is what is the real world difference between these handsets when it comes to CPU/GPU performance and battery life?
While I'd like to get this phone subsidized through AT&T I don't want to settle for a grossly inferior version of this excellent product.
Is this a half price Ferrari with a Fiat engine???
Extensive benchmarks and discussion are provided in the hands-on review in this very forum, re: CPU/GPU performance. Battery life is relatively under-discussed, however.
griffindodd said:
I have been waiting for the note to come to AT&T so I don't have the cost and risk of importing the international version. (I'm going to be with AT&T anyway so they may as well subsidise my costs).
My concern though is the commentary about how bad the snapdragon setup is vs the Sammy Ex CPU. Combine this with the extra drain on the battery from LTE and it's starting to look like a very gimped proposition in comparison to the international handset.
So my question is what is the real world difference between these handsets when it comes to CPU/GPU performance and battery life?
While I'd like to get this phone subsidized through AT&T I don't want to settle for a grossly inferior version of this excellent product.
Is this a half price Ferrari with a Fiat engine???
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After all the ces coverage it got, I failed to notice any dicsernable difference in performance from the att version. The snapdragon processor is quite capable. If you have doubts, it should only be that 'some' devs will refuse to build roms for it because they feel that it is identical to the Skyrocket. And they apparently had so many problems deving for that. The device itself seems to run just fine for a high-spec superphone. As usual most people, maybe even you will probably consider running a different launcher to speed up performance even more. Such as Zeam- which is disgustingly smooth on nearly any android device. The battery life, from what ive heard, happens to be a standout feature on the device.
And in the end, if your market is getting lte this year, wont you want that 15ish mb data speed? Makes sense to me. rather than to go through the trouble of having to setup apns and such. Dont write it off just yet till you go into a store and test one out.
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If you have doubts, it should only be that 'some' devs will refuse to build roms for it because they feel that it is identical to the Skyrocket hd. And they apparently had so many problems deving for that.
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Skyrocket HD hasn't been released yet. No wonder they have so many problems deving for a phone that doesn't exist
they didn't necessarily have problems deving for it. They chose a device they were more comfortable with and impressed by. It also helped that the US version of the Orig gs2 came so late. All the real work was already done
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the didn't necessarily have problems deving for it. They chose a device they were more comfortable with and impressed by. It also helped that the US version of the Orig gs2 came so late. All the real work was already done
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I think he trying to say he believes you mean just skyrocket not the skyrocket HD which I don't believe has been released yet
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Honestly they're simply on par with each other. The international wins in some benchmarks, and ours wins in others. Our battery life will be just as amazing as the international unless you're doing lots of downloading with LTE
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Skyrocket HD hasn't been released yet. No wonder they have so many problems deving for a phone that doesn't exist
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I meant to say the skyrocket. Symantics aside, what I say is true. The only thing ive been seeing in the Infuse forum was people bashing the device for not being an Exynos-based phone. Which is just dumb, considering the fact that I, along with a lot of other people WANT lte. And I dont really think their will be any kind of noticeable difference in performance between the two processors. Besides, not many people can shell out 5-700 bucks for an international version. So the att subsidy is the only way to get one. Ide gladly have a few less roms, if i can save 2-300 bucks on the cost of the thing.
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I meant to say the skyrocket. Symantics aside, what I say is true. The only thing ive been seeing in the Infuse forum was people bashing the device for not being an Exynos-based phone. Which is just dumb, considering the fact that I, along with a lot of other people WANT lte. And I dont really think their will be any kind of noticeable difference in performance between the two processors. Besides, not many people can shell out 5-700 bucks for an international version. So the att subsidy is the only way to get one. Ide gladly have a few less roms, if i can save 2-300 bucks on the cost of the thing.
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Thanks for the feedback guys.
Battery is/was/will be my main conern. While LTE would be nice, I really wouldn't use it that much as I have WiFi at work and home, so the concern was that LTE would just nuke my battery in 6hrs when I don't really care about it. On the flip side I have a grandfathered true unlimited plan for $30 so at least I can make full use of LTE should I need/want to.
On the processor front, I am coming from 4 years of iPhone ownership so I know I am going to have an expectation of smooth non-laggy performance in every aspect of the phone's use. I'm no Apple fan boi, but Ihave to acknowledge the quality of the UI experience on that phone and don't want to have to make excuses for less than premium performance on an Android 'Super Phone'.
I feel confident that the international version delivers on all these fronts judging from the stellar reviews it has received from so many sources, I just hope the AT&T version can continue to deliver the standards it's International cousin has set.
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Thanks for the feedback guys.
Battery is/was/will be my main conern. While LTE would be nice, I really wouldn't use it that much as I have WiFi at work and home, so the concern was that LTE would just nuke my battery in 6hrs when I don't really care about it. On the flip side I have a grandfathered true unlimited plan for $30 so at least I can make full use of LTE should I need/want to.
On the processor front, I am coming from 4 years of iPhone ownership so I know I am going to have an expectation of smooth non-laggy performance in every aspect of the phone's use. I'm no Apple fan boi, but Ihave to acknowledge the quality of the UI experience on that phone and don't want to have to make excuses for less than premium performance on an Android 'Super Phone'.
I feel confident that the international version delivers on all these fronts judging from the stellar reviews it has received from so many sources, I just hope the AT&T version can continue to deliver the standards it's International cousin has set.
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From what we've seen from the Korean version, and the AT&T version at CES and a couple lucky people that have had early hands on, it's just as fast and smooth as the Exynos version. Just with LTE baked in.
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From what we've seen from the Korean version, and the AT&T version at CES and a couple lucky people that have had early hands on, it's just as fast and smooth as the Exynos version. Just with LTE baked in.
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Damn shame that we don't really know anything about the LTE Note's battery life... really is the most important thing in a smartphone
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From what we've seen from the Korean version, and the AT&T version at CES and a couple lucky people that have had early hands on, it's just as fast and smooth as the Exynos version. Just with LTE baked in.
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This, and on top of that, the LTE radio doesnt constantly search for signal. If you dont have it, then it wont be used. Likewise, If your not downloading anything, then setup a toggle on the homescreen to turn on/off data completely. Your problem is solved. I do this all the time with my infuse. When data is off all i can do is make calls and texts, all while saving a ton of battery life.
If your expectations are truly too high though, and youve never even touched an Android phone---there is absolutely no reason for you to try to make any comparisons at all between this and iOS. They are 100% different in so many aspects, and 0% the same in just as many. I came from an iPhone 3g after almost 2 yrs. The infuse was my first android phone, and I have to say-I wasnt expecting all the cool things that I experienced. At first its like the Iron curtain was lifted, and it became sooooooooo much easier to do everything I actually always wanted to do with a phone.
As far as Att's involvement in the phone is concerned. You CAN expect the usual bloat. But on phones these days, its easy enough to ignore. put them in a folder at the end of your apps list, done. Its like they were never there. once we have root on the device as well, its open season man. Youll be able to get all the apps you need to control every aspect of the phone that you can think of. Which is a godsend to any smartphone user. Especially if battery life is concerned.
In the end, you will NEVER stop learning, and finding out cool new things about any android phone. And I doubt you will ever look at apple products the same. This is coming from a self-proclaimed ex-Apple fanboy.
^ never owned an apple product but you hit the nail on the head with Android...there is always something new and exciting to try...
but if you think inside the ibox...best stay with it.
Android definitely has a learning curve, and is never ending fun if you think outside
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From what we've seen from the Korean version, and the AT&T version at CES and a couple lucky people that have had early hands on, it's just as fast and smooth as the Exynos version. Just with LTE baked in.
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Good to hear.
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^ never owned an apple product but you hit the nail on the head with Android...there is always something new and exciting to try...
but if you think inside the ibox...best stay with it.
Android definitely has a learning curve, and is never ending fun if you think outside
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Very well said.
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http://www.sammobile.com/2014/08/13/samsung-galaxy-alpha-officially-announced/
As usual, the phone is ugly, and considering the fact it's here to battle the iPhone 6, that's understandable.
The interesting part is that it has LTE Advanced baked in, but the SoC is Exynos. Could it be finally the 5433?
Share your outrage/admiration here (unless I just did something stupid and broke forum rules and the mods intend to blast the thread into oblivion ).
It's like a "iSamsung".. I really don't like when they get to battle the phone of another brand and they get used to "copy" the design for it's own device. It has more the look of an iPhone than a Samsung.. I'm not sure if I like it..
The metal construction might emulate iPhones, but the thin, flimsy plastic back cover is all Samsung. At least the (dinky) battery is replaceable though.
Obviously this phone is meant to compete with the iPhone 6. I have no idea if it'll actually sway iPhone owners into the Android world. But it's clearly a vanity device, and should succeed in at least some small way with people who like Android but wish their phone could look more like an iPhone. Somehow I doubt the Alpha will get much love in the way of development and modding. High price, moderate specs, small battery..."power" users such as us won't bother much with this phone.
I think this phone is designed as a midranged one and for people who like the compact iPhone style. Sadly the form factor would be perfect for one handed use but the screen is really underwhelming and not allowing mdcards is a huge mistake. I like the octacore cup bit Samsung is really starting to behave like Apple and that's not a good thing. Removing features and then releasing overpriced underwhelming products
The alpha with full HD, mdcards support and without Knox would have been awesome, disappointed. Instead of targeting iPhone users they should have targeted the Android crowd looking for high powered compact phones!
If benchmarks are to be believed, the thing smashed the Note 3... the octa-core version Note 3. If the Alpha has the Exynos 5433 and they finally went "true" octa-core, it might be worth a look.
But, having a big ol' ugly Nope 3, I'm more hyped for the ugly Note 4, which is bound to be a monster we might like.
I wonder if it's gonna have any IP certification. Probably not though as I didn't see any gaskets.
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If benchmarks are to be believed, the thing smashed the Note 3... the octa-core version Note 3. If the Alpha has the Exynos 5433 and they finally went "true" octa-core, it might be worth a look.
But, having a big ol' ugly Nope 3, I'm more hyped for the ugly Note 4, which is bound to be a monster we might like.
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http://www.phonandroid.com/galaxy-alpha-samsung-devoile-officiellement-iphone-6-killer-metal.html
I was really tempted for this device unless i found out the battery was jz 1800mah..
Only if had 2500 or 3000mah i would have readily exchanged my nexus 5 which also has a pathetic battery life
The thing looks like an updated S2, actually. I have one at work which is with a Chinese copy battery and CM11 on it. 2 days on standby so far, battery is at 80%-ish.
The Nexus carries a 5 inch full HD screen and has no battery saving modes at all.
I won't be surprised if the Alpha thing manages to last longer.
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I was really tempted for this device unless i found out the battery was jz 1800mah..
Only if had 2500 or 3000mah i would have readily exchanged my nexus 5 which also has a pathetic battery life
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I shouldn't be too bad... should good battery life... considering it's like 25% more efficient than a 801-805 snapdragon chip (20nm) Should be interesting to see it's performance though. the chips built for 1440p so with that being said the chip is made to be energy efficient at 1440p. 720p is going to have good battery life considering the chip is pushing exactly 4x times less pixels than it was made to.
Doesn't look as good as the S5? No SD card slot, no USB 3, still only 2Gb of Ram? No real reason to upgrade IMO
the things why i didnt buy samsung is... because its sparepart is quite expensive
and (the center shop) quite far from my house
Live photos https://www.flickr.com/photos/virgile-fontaine/with/14920579955/
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Live photos https://www.flickr.com/photos/virgile-fontaine/with/14920579955/
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Damn ?, it's sexy!
I think it looks fine haha, but the 1860mAh battery :S
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I think it looks fine haha, but the 1860mAh battery :S
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It's frustrating because as I keep complaining if it was 3 mm thicker it could have the Isocell Camera from Note 4, a 2500 Mah Battery,
and an SD Card, and a more powerful speaker or TWO - in this pocket sized phone !
So I am hoping and lobbying Samsung for Alpha Pro with above features
and some Note 4 Specs - but NOT more Pixels in Screen because that will slow the phone down.
Alpha Pro would be priced like Note 4 people will cry about price - but I would pay $700-750. for Pro version.
Would you ?
Hello,
the firmwares of the Alpha are out.
Now I wanted to take a look into the firmware, but somehow I can't unpack it. Tried the method with sgs2toext4 and ext4_unpacker but always failed. The system.img seems to be ok, it's 1.908.047 KB big.
Someone knows a way to unpack this KitKat Firmware of the Alpha?
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Hello,
the firmwares of the Alpha are out.
Now I wanted to take a look into the firmware, but somehow I can't unpack it. Tried the method with sgs2toext4 and ext4_unpacker but always failed. The system.img seems to be ok, it's 1.908.047 KB big.
Someone knows a way to unpack this KitKat Firmware of the Alpha?
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Can you post a link? I'm more interested in the Kernel sources ...
@modpunk
Sure. Here you go.
wth does . this. always. happen. I wanted a smaller phone , I was waiting. I kinda of enjoyed the blackberry z10 I had at work but had to give it up. I was hoping the z10 got a refresh, at anyrate I ordered one thursday. I go to the at&t store to pick out a phone for my wife..and I see the alpha..!!!!!!!! damn it.
Who's already thinking about upgrading their phone, according to the current informations we have about the future Note? And which phone do you want to replace it with?
I'll start: I'm a big fan of the Note series since the first one (I don't use the Spen that much, but I find the overall design and specs to be quite nice, I prefer it over the S series). I usually skip one iteration because I find on one year they add features, and the next year they fix some of the previous year's mistakes. I even had the Note7... not for long So now, even it it still rocks, I'm thinking about replacing my Note9 with a Note20, for the cameras, the display, and all that stuff. Yes I'm totally into the consumer's profile, paying the full bill for a "minor" upgrade, but I enjoy it
What about you guys?
I'm hyped!
Note 10+ here, but I got the upgrade plan or whatever through Samsung with every intention of getting this year's model.
My biggest excitement? 120Hz screen and the new colors. Improved camera as well. I'm hopeful the battery life will remain similar despite the increase in refresh rate.
I'm actually trying to find out reasons to NOT get the Note 20 Ultra and I'm not finding many so far which is a good thing.
that camera bump is MASSIVE.
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that camera bump is MASSIVE.
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Big bump, but the array looks way better than the S20 Ultra.
Oh Im getting it for sure, the new copper color.
Will be keeping my note 10 plus though and still even use my copper note 9 once in awhile lol.
On an S8 and have been putting off a new phone because every time I get hyped I read about what the NEXT one is going to have, most recently skipped the S20 because the 120hz doesn't work on the highest resolution, but I think the Note 20 Ultra will finally be what I drop money on. As long as I don't hear rumors of the S21 folding my laundry...
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I really want to get this phone. But I gotta say I'm a little disappointed with the news being reported today that Samsung is sticking with the Exynos 990 (note the rumored Exynos 992) again for international models, while the US, Japan, China, etc get the Snapdragon 865+. There was already about a 20% difference in power between the Exynos 990 and the regular Snapdragon 865 with the S20 models, now that gap will likely be larger.
Don't get me wrong, I think I will still get the Note 20 Ultra as I'm a huge fan of the Note series and I don't think I can wait another year to upgrade from my Note 8. I just wish I wasn't going to get an inferior processor for the same high price as others are paying for the Snapdragon variant.
I'd be interested to hear what others here think about this.
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I really want to get this phone. But I gotta say I'm a little disappointed with the news being reported today that Samsung is sticking with the Exynos 990 (note the rumored Exynos 992) again for international models, while the US, Japan, China, etc get the Snapdragon 865+. There was already about a 20% difference in power between the Exynos 990 and the regular Snapdragon 865 with the S20 models, now that gap will likely be larger.
Don't get me wrong, I think I will still get the Note 20 Ultra as I'm a huge fan of the Note series and I don't think I can wait another year to upgrade from my Note 8. I just wish I wasn't going to get an inferior processor for the same high price as others are paying for the Snapdragon variant.
I'd be interested to hear what others here think about this.
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The rumor also suggests a thin possibility of a "SD865+ in all markets".
If 990 continues, it will definitely be NOT my Note lol.
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Oh Im getting it for sure, the new copper color.
Will be keeping my note 10 plus though and still even use my copper note 9 once in awhile lol.
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I love the copper and also the alleged green color (the rendering). Seems like a lot of options for colors in the rumors... It'll be interesting.
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Likely to keep happening as people push for better cameras.
I use a case, so it won't bother me much at all.
I also hope there will be some sort of pre-purchase offer, for example a refund if you send your old device back maybe, like they did for the Note9.
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I also hope there will be some sort of pre-purchase offer, for example a refund if you send your old device back maybe, like they did for the Note9.
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I hope so too! Have been away from Samsung for a while, I think this will be my first entry back into the ecosystem.
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I'm actually trying to find out reasons to NOT get the Note 20 Ultra and I'm not finding many so far which is a good thing.
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the ONLY reason whoould be that Samsung will again charge us the same money for Exynos chipset eventhough South Korea, China, US and Canada will get Snapdragon 865+ which would be with 30% more powerful and more power efficient.
This means approx. 3hrs SoT more for the Snapdragon 865+ ..
And Samsung it makes it even more difficult if we will buy Snapdragon 865+ note 20 Ultra from US or somewhere else, because in EU they are not supporting warranty for the Snapdragon devices..and they neither do service where customer pays money because they don;t have the spare parts..which is awful..
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the ONLY reason whoould be that Samsung will again charge us the same money for Exynos chipset eventhough South Korea, China, US and Canada will get Snapdragon 865+ which would be with 30% more powerful and more power efficient.
This means approx. 3hrs SoT more for the Snapdragon 865+ ..
And Samsung it makes it even more difficult if we will buy Snapdragon 865+ note 20 Ultra from US or somewhere else, because in EU they are not supporting warranty for the Snapdragon devices..and they neither do service where customer pays money because they don;t have the spare parts..which is awful..
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I feel the same. But I'm also quite conflicted on this for another reason.
Snapdragon phones are locked down, usually they can’t be rooted, and users can’t flash custom recoveries/ROMs.
There are of course exceptions to this but the Exynos variants are definitely better for development purposes.
Now for the first 2 years that probably won't bother me as the stock software would be fine. But once Samsung no longer provides OS updates it's really nice to be able to run custom ROMs.
If only we could get an Exynos device with comparable performance to Snapdragon.
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I feel the same. But I'm also quite conflicted on this for another reason.
Snapdragon phones are locked down, usually they can’t be rooted, and users can’t flash custom recoveries/ROMs.
There are of course exceptions to this but the Exynos variants are definitely better for development purposes.
Now for the first 2 years that probably won't bother me as the stock software would be fine. But once Samsung no longer provides OS updates it's really nice to be able to run custom ROMs.
If only we could get an Exynos device with comparable performance to Snapdragon.
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Exynos 992 on 6nm or 5nm with arm x78 architecture is the best soution as of now for Note 20 Utra
If Samsung does a really strong trade in offer (I have a Note 9) to get the price reasonable, and ideally a throw in offer like the new ear buds, I'm in. Multiple Note owner (had the Note 4, 7 and 9) and really looking forward to a camera with a real zoom and better battery life. Looks like a winner!
Note 20 Ultra Colors
Does anyone have a link or list of what the Note 20 Ultra colors will actually be? Thanks in advance.
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Does anyone have a link or list of what the Note 20 Ultra colors will actually be? Thanks in advance.
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I read somewhere the 3 colors for the Ultra will be that new copper color, then black and white.
One with Exynos 990 & the other one with SD865+, Samsung will STILL find them to be equally performing..
And a lot will believe it too.
I went from a Note 10+ to a Oppo Find X2 Pro instead of waiting for the Note 20 series, simply for the fact that every leak was pointing to European users being stuck with a Exynos 990 & I don't regret my decision at all, Samsung themselves are so blind they that continue to argue that the Exynos 990 is on the same level as the Snapdragon 865/+, it's ridiculous and from a consumer point of view, unacceptable, we're paying the same premium price but for a worse equipped device.
Many argue that it's only noticeable in benchmarks or on paper etc. But it isn't, it affects camera performance, camera quality, gaming performance, thermal performance, app fluidity, all the important parts of a smartphone experience, Snapdragon is far far ahead.
Sorry for the rant but it's just frustrating, hopefully one day Samsung will listen, in the meantime I'll enjoy my Snapdragon equipped Oppo :good: