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i have the photon , but i really dont like the screen quality (sharpness and color wise)compared to my old epic. not trying to troll here, just to ask if anyone think it can be fixed with a software update or is it a hardware issue?
The general consensus is that's just how the phone is. However some lucky people don't seem to notice screens quality (or lack thereof).
Welcome to the PenTile display.
Just the way it is. For best results, try to hold the phone far away.
I think it's actually a pretty cool technology.
irev210 said:
Welcome to the PenTile display.
Just the way it is. For best results, try to hold the phone far away.
I think it's actually a pretty cool technology.
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can you please share with me whats so cool about this technology? thanks
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i have the photon , but i really dont like the screen quality (sharpness and color wise)compared to my old epic. not trying to troll here, just to ask if anyone think it can be fixed with a software update or is it a hardware issue?
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Coming from the Epic, who's Super AMOLED screen also uses a pentile subpixel arrangement also mind you, you shouldn't really be noticing a sharpness difference between them. But yes, any and literally all LCDs do look duller and more muted than the Super AMOLED. It's just a nature of the technology.
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can you please share with me whats so cool about this technology? thanks
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Well, I can say that, due to it's white subpixels, it is a brighter display that is much more viewable in sunlight. It is also much better on toast.
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I watch videos all the time on my phone and I don't like it. It is too grainy, the color is off, too much sharpness, black is too dark and any hint of light in the scene and its too bright. HD quality videos look pretty good but lower resolution videos just look bad.
I see the problem in dark scenes where there is very little light you can't differentiate any objects in the dark area. Its all a blur. In the same scene the face has little light on it but it will be over satuated. Its like someone is shining a flashlight in his face. If any of you watch Showtime's Dexter you will see what I mean as the show has a lot of scenes in dark warehouses.
Yes I think they can make it better with software. They can turn down the sharpness. They can allow a little light to be on during dark scene rather then let it be all black (total absence of light). They can try different color temperature because right now all the human skin looks too red to me. They can dial down the intensity of white on lighted scenes.
Just got home with my Photon, which I bought primarily because it's a world phone and specs looked pretty good. Gotta agree with OP, the display is piss poor. Just might return it for something else. Kinda mad I turned in my EVO. Overall I played $99. We'll see...sigh.
Fyahstarter said:
Just got home with my Photon, which I bought primarily because it's a world phone and specs looked pretty good. Gotta agree with OP, the display is piss poor. Just might return it for something else. Kinda mad I turned in my EVO. Overall I played $99. We'll see...sigh.
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First thing you need to do is turn the brightness all the way down and turn off the auto brightness too. The screen will look much better.
ericizzy1 said:
can you please share with me whats so cool about this technology? thanks
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Jump over here and do some reading:
http://pentileblog.com/
One thing that is kind of cool, is that the CEO actually replied to (and blogged about) an AndroidForums thread discussing the P4G screen. Spend some time reading that thread for even greater detail about the merits of the Pentile screen.
Granted, it's the CEO of Pentile, so obviously they have a bit of a bias... but she also offers fascinating technical insight behind the technology as well.
I'm very happy with the screen myself, very easy to read in sunlight especially but very bright in general (which i like). The colors were "different" compared to the evo and evo 3d I had prior but after a few hours, I started noticing more color and details in apps that I hadn't ever seen before. I feel it looks much better overall vs the evo and evo 3d. Yes, I do see the checkerboard when the display is off if I look at the right angle but I dont notice it when the screen is on.
This phone has so many pluses, and the screen is one of them to me.
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I'm very happy with the screen myself, very easy to read in sunlight especially but very bright in general (which i like). The colors were "different" compared to the evo and evo 3d I had prior but after a few hours, I started noticing more color and details in apps that I hadn't ever seen before. I feel it looks much better overall vs the evo and evo 3d. Yes, I do see the checkerboard when the display is off if I look at the right angle but I dont notice it when the screen is on.
This phone has so many pluses, and the screen is one of them to me.
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You are seriously making me think that something is wrong with my phone, man. Cuz if what I'm seeing on mine is consistent throughout, there's no way a person can think it looks good. Some of the pictures look like they are in 8-bit. I'm really disappointed.
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You are seriously making me think that something is wrong with my phone, man. Cuz if what I'm seeing on mine is consistent throughout, there's no way a person can think it looks good. Some of the pictures look like they are in 8-bit. I'm really disappointed.
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Yeah, i'd maybe compare it to the store display if possible because I think mine looks excellent, and the display in my local stores looks really good too. I usually keep my display cranked up pretty high, and it has much better blacks and white levels then i ever had on my evo or evo 3d.
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Yeah, i'd maybe compare it to the store display if possible because I think mine looks excellent, and the display in my local stores looks really good too. I usually keep my display cranked up pretty high, and it has much better blacks and white levels then i ever had on my evo or evo 3d.
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I played some Netflix movies and they looked really bad to a point where I'm like Motorola couldn't have released a multi-media phone with such piss poor video and picture quality. I'm taking back the phone tomorrow to switch it out.
Here's another question. I put in my sdcard from my EVO and none of the pictures fill the screen. I noticed the same thing on the carousel view in the FB integration. The pictures don't fill the screen. Any ideas?
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Here's another question. I put in my sdcard from my EVO and none of the pictures fill the screen. I noticed the same thing on the carousel view in the FB integration. The pictures don't fill the screen. Any ideas?
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How does it look if you use a different Gallery app like QuickPic?
I, for one like the screen. There is no "burn in" like the galaxy s phones and the Nexus S. I can see the pixel separation, but it doesn't bother me a bit. Maybe you guys need to quit making out with your screens.
I'm not looking for fantastic. I'm coming from the EVO which, even though washed out compared to a Super Amoled, looked fine to me. The problem appears that in areas of high contrast or in shadows, the blacks are too black so picture actually looks blotchy. Believe me when I tell you I'm not the overly picky type. But image quality is definitely a step down compared to my Evo.
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Jump over here and do some reading:
http://pentileblog.com/
Granted, it's the CEO of Pentile, so obviously they have a bit of a bias... but she also offers fascinating technical insight behind the technology as well.
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Nice explanation of PenTile. I also have no issues with the display and think it is quite good in comparison to my E4G. I wonder if the different perceptions are due to astigmatism. Last year I got lens implants that corrected most of my astigmatism (some remaining, but not much). Maybe people with a lot of uncorrected astigmatism are more sensitive to the display? Maybe it's the opposite and astigmatism makes the effect harder to see and I have just enough astigmatism left to make it not noticeable?
I thought the display was fine, and while I could see the screen door effect, only really noticed it while looking for it.
Then I installed a game where blue was a predominant color used in the background, Wisp Lite, currently featured on the Android Market. Anyone would immediately notice the screen door effect on the background, it was so obvious.
Mulling if this matters enough for me to consider returning it.
I just got my Radar in the mail today and I have to say, my first impressions are very good. I'm coming from Android so when I saw the kind of dated specs for this phone, I was a little hesitant. But just like the all the reviews say, this phone is buttery smooth with plenty of power. You can't judge this phone against Android cause it's two different OS's. Windows doesn't need the horsepower that Android needs and the software integration with the hardware is tight and beautiful.
Love the hardware as well. Coming from a Galaxy S, I was happy with the performance but the phone was just too cheap and plasticy for me to ever REALLY love it's looks. The weight and unibody construction on this phone is awesome and I love it.
The unremovable battery might have been a deal breaker for me with a high end Android phone as I had an extra battery for my Galaxy S. But all the reviews said this phone gets well over a day of with moderate use so I'm not sweating that anymore.
NO LIKE::: There's not much I don't like and it's gonna take me a little longer than a few hours to get used to this phone. However, there is one thing about this OS that is bothering me. Font size!! Lets start with the browser....No setting in the browser to make the webpage larger like in android. And when you try to zoom in, the text doesn't re-flow. Also, font size in the people section like in your twitter feed is small as well. I don't have the best eyes but they're already starting to hurt. This complaint is pretty minor but in a way, it's major as well. If you get tired of using certain features on your phone cause it makes your eyes hurt, then that's kinda of a problem.
Overall though, love this phone and I'm happy with the purchase.
Oh and one more thing to add. The call quality isn't very good at all.
The text reflows if you double tap. It's by design.
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The text reflows if you double tap. It's by design.
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Yes but only a little bit. The text still isn't large enough for me to comfortably read, at least for a long time. I'm talking about pinching and zooming as close as you want and the words re-wrap to fit the screen like in Android, so you don't have to scroll back and forth. Other than that, I'm happy with the browser. I think it's a smoother experience on WP7.
And honestly, my complaint above about small font throughout the OS is starting to get to me even more. The things I do most on a phone are taking in info, like browsing my favorite sites, Twitter, Facebook, and RSS. And all these processes hurt my eyes after a while. Example, look at the Facebook app. The font is small cause the top of the screen is taken up by FACEBOOK and then the tittle of the page like MOST RECENT. I actually love the facebook app, it's just the small font I hate. I wish I had a bigger phone cause I think it would be Ok if it was a 4.3 inch screen or so.
In the end, I hate to say it cause I love this OS but I think i'm gonna sell this phone. I'll just have to wait until a bigger phone comes out or Microsoft makes it an option to make the font bigger everywhere. It sucks cause this OS is so much more beautiful and cohesive than anything else. I'm a big fan, but my eyes aren't letting me enjoy the experience. I hope to be back to WP7 soon.
seanp666 htc titan has a very big screen. try that.
sala91 said:
seanp666 htc titan has a very big screen. try that.
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text wouldnt be any better oneit since the pexel density is so low.. reviewers said they had to zoom in to see most stuff on browser clear, a shame =/
stratax i dissagree. to me titan is so big i dont zoom anything there
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stratax i dissagree. to me titan is so big i dont zoom anything there
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Thats weird, couple reviews i saw said it was pixelated when you looked closely and text wasnt that clear
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Thats weird, couple reviews i saw said it was pixelated when you looked closely and text wasnt that clear
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For reference, it has a higher PPI than an iPhone 3GS. So...
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For reference, it has a higher PPI than an iPhone 3GS. So...
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and that screen was tiny haha. here is what everyone is saying.
"The HTC Titan is quite large thanks to its 4.7-inch display. We were slightly disappointed to find that the resolution for this LCD is standard WVGA–480 x 800 pixels. This means the dots per inch (dpi) specification will be quite low, and users may be able to make out individual pixels in some situations, which can be unpleasant when reading text. However, it should make viewing videos a joy, especially when sharing the screen with friends."
I would love to check out the phone myself. but dont have $600 to put into one lol.
even if you can see things fine.. why would they put qHD on the sensation and then 720p display on the rezound, etc. but not the titan when it has a even BIGGER screen? that just confuses me xD maybe it has something to do with WP7.
i just got one radar for my wife.... i like the size and the aluminium body.. the camera is good, and takes panorama shots as well..
smoother then my HD7...
I'm coming from the hd7 also. And I find the size of the radar and its screen to be to annoying. Font size is an issue for me as well. The plus? WiFi tethering.
So, is the tethering free? It was so easy to activate and use, but I don't want any surprise charges.
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So, is the tethering free? It was so easy to activate and use, but I don't want any surprise charges.
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Depends entirely on your carrier.
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sweet
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drewmaloy said:
I'm coming from the hd7 also. And I find the size of the radar and its screen to be to annoying. Font size is an issue for me as well. The plus? WiFi tethering.
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and the camera. The camera is orders of magnitude better than the HD7's.
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and that screen was tiny haha. here is what everyone is saying.
"The HTC Titan is quite large thanks to its 4.7-inch display. We were slightly disappointed to find that the resolution for this LCD is standard WVGA–480 x 800 pixels. This means the dots per inch (dpi) specification will be quite low, and users may be able to make out individual pixels in some situations, which can be unpleasant when reading text. However, it should make viewing videos a joy, especially when sharing the screen with friends."
I would love to check out the phone myself. but dont have $600 to put into one lol.
even if you can see things fine.. why would they put qHD on the sensation and then 720p display on the rezound, etc. but not the titan when it has a even BIGGER screen? that just confuses me xD maybe it has something to do with WP7.
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Every negative comment I have heard about the Titan's screen is from people who don't actually own it or have used it and are just speculating. I'll search for more reviews (since I plan to buy the Titan Friday) and see if I can find anything else out.
here are my first impressions of this nice device (in german)
But I've got a question by the way? Is it normal that the alphabetical jumplist in apps menu is missing?
No. That should be there...odd.
According to :
http://www.reddit.com/r/wp7/comments/l9cet/quick_question_about_icon_in_app_jump_list/
You get the letters in the app list when you have more than 45 applications.
So I met up with a friend who has a Galaxy S II and when realized that I had a Rezound, he asked to see it. The first thing he said was "woah this screen is nice!"... I thought to myself "isn't the GSII screen, being true RGB, supposed to be nice?"... but apparently he liked my screen more then his.
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So I met up with a friend who has a Galaxy S II and when realized that I had a Rezound, he asked to see it. The first thing he said was "woah this screen is nice!"... I thought to myself "isn't the GSII screen, being true RGB, supposed to be nice?"... but apparently he liked my screen more then his.
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Well when you compare the Rezound screen 1280 x 720p it is also RGB. Not to mention the high pixel density count. Some say pixel density might not matter, but when you start getting to text close up, HD images and videos you will notice. The SII screen isn't bad by any standards.. Super AMOLED + is sexy and the viewing angles are superior vs SLCD. But the resolution on that screen is only what 800 x 480? Now if it was a super amoled + HD with no pentile submatrix like the Nexus is going to have (that + screen banding) I really don't see how the reviewers say it's a beautiful screen. But for now the Rezound does have one of the best screens on the market yes.
I'm sold on the rezounds screen. I really see a different between it and any other device. The pixels per inch really do matter, pics, hq videos, webpages... i don't know it all looks great!
i picked up my rezound on release day and i'll have to agree, this screen is Fing AMAZING well for a phone anyway.
also the camera and picture quality is top notch. even in low light indoors the video and pictures is so good.
so far i really haven't found anything to complain about. I do miss the thunderbolt kickstand but i'll manage.
We are praising this thing now, but watch, next year it will be 1080p and we will all feel like losers having this phone. lol
On a serious note, this screen is awesome! I love bragging to iPhone owners
AtLemacks said:
We are praising this thing now, but watch, next year it will be 1080p and we will all feel like losers having this phone. lol
On a serious note, this screen is awesome! I love bragging to iPhone owners
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Hmm I don't think they will jump that fast for resolution for phones. 800 x 480 has been the standard for awhile for phones. qhD is now just starting to be the "standard" with HD starting to trickle in on a few phones.
The screen is the best out so far, for any smart phone. So used to not being able to read text from far that I hold the rezound a lot closer to my face than I should. This phone can pack so much clearly readable text on 1 page, cause of the resolution. Videos?... pshhh. I've seen videos shot by horrible cams, turned into crisp playback. Any image you display on this device just seems nicer. No complaints on this screen whatsoever.
...just another unbiased review from a proud rezound owner
... lol, but seriously this screen rocks!
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Some say pixel density might not matter,
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Those people are not so bright. It might not matter after a certain point, but it matters my friend!
eallan said:
Those people are not so bright. It might not matter after a certain point, but it matters my friend!
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They can't help it if their eyes are broken. I pity them.
Hey guys, as we know, the very first batch of any device likely will have some flaws. Hopefully this won't happen to the nexus 10. Anyway, Im a very picky consumer so I have to ensure my device is perfect. So I will list some of the things we need to check when the item arrives. feel free to give tips etc..
1/ Check the screen to see there are any dead pixels/ discolored area/ uneven white screen/ yellow or pink spots
2/ Light bleed
3/ any scratch on the body
4/Buttons are all good.
5/ Speakers
All I can think of so far..
also would want to check if the cameras, radios, ports, battery and other such components work properly, along with checking along the seams of the tablet to make sure it is solidly put together.
Microscope... check EVERY pixel.
I also have a few questions. It has to deal with the snap on cover if anyone got those (if they are out). When you unfold the cover does the screen light up like the iPad does with its smart cover. And also can the cover be used as a stand or does it just fall over? And how bad is the lag on Chrome compared to anyone who has used Safari on an iPad. Thanks. I'm hoping to switch from my ipad to the nexus 10!
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1. Check GPS
2. Pixel check can be done with https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ossibussoftware.deadpixeltest&hl=en
Will Google even replaces screens with a couple dead pixels?
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duarian said:
Will Google even replaces screens with a couple dead pixels?
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Well in my case they'd be replacing the screen whether they intended to or not. If I had to, I'd just order a new one, then send the old one back in its place and say I changed my mind. And that just if they didn't want to exchange a clearly defective product. Up to them, but either way I'm going to make it right for myself in the end :good:
With 2560x1600 x3 sub-pixels (=12.288.000 pixels) you will very likely not get a sample without a single defective sub-pixel. Doesn't really matter either, a stuck sub-pixel at 300 DPI resolution is so small that it will be hard to find even if you "know" where it is.
My tab 10.1 and GS3 first batch were flawless. I expect a pretty close to perfect initial batch here as well. This isn't Asus or HTC.
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My tab 10.1 and GS3 first batch were flawless. I expect a pretty close to perfect initial batch here as well. This isn't Asus or HTC.
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Bam !
Good point !
Samsung has an excellent track record!
Nothing is for sure but every samsung product ive ever had has been perfect!
From my Note 2
It's not only about the company behind the product, it's also about math/probability.
Hint: Try counting the sub-pixels on the Galaxy 10.1 or S3 and compare to the N10.
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My tab 10.1 and GS3 first batch were flawless. I expect a pretty close to perfect initial batch here as well. This isn't Asus or HTC.
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not really...I guess it's a matter of luck. I bought my S3 in june and after 3 replacements, I got the satisfying one.
One thing concerns me the most is the screen. It's true that it's hard to get a screen without any dead pixels considering the huge amount of pixels. well, I really hope this won't happen since if I ever find out just one single dead pixel, it would turn me off really bad even if I normally can't see it. But you know, it is there... haha
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not really...I guess it's a matter of luck. I bought my S3 in june and after 3 replacements, I got the satisfying one.
One thing concerns me the most is the screen. It's true that it's hard to get a screen without any dead pixels considering the huge amount of pixels. well, I really hope this won't happen since if I ever find out just one single dead pixel, it would turn me off really bad even if I normally can't see it. But you know, it is there... haha
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I forgot to include the legendary GS2 as another first batch flawless device. It might be about luck sometimes but generally you can deduce when it is safe to buy a first batch.
I use two methods that I feel pretty good about.
One, like I said, my GS2, tab 10.1, and GS3 were all flawless first batches for me. I realize that using just myself as a sample size is pretty shady statistically but if you look at the posts of complaints of the GS3 in May/June, they are far less than most devices.
Two, we know for a fact that Samsung is not only a manufacturer, but one of the if not the best manufacturer. Sure HTC and Apple are moving away from them, but it is not because of the quality. People trust their factories and manufacturing processes so unless the Nexus 10 uses some fancy new manufacturing process, Samsung already has the wisdom and experience and chances are, they won't need to make many changes to the manufacturing process like others might.
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It's not only about the company behind the product, it's also about math/probability.
Hint: Try counting the sub-pixels on the Galaxy 10.1 or S3 and compare to the N10.
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I'm not so sure we should expect the majority of units to have dead pixels. I deal a lot with high resolution 2560x1600 computer monitors and very rarely do I encounter dead/stuck pixels. You're right that they would be harder to notice because of the high pixel density, but I'll use pixel checker and send it back if there's an issue. Just because it's a smaller screen doesn't mathematically necessitate pixel issues. The 13in retina macbook pro has almost the same pixel density and of the few I've tested, none have any pixel issues.
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I'm not so sure we should expect the majority of units to have dead pixels. I deal a lot with high resolution 2560x1600 computer monitors and very rarely do I encounter dead/stuck pixels. You're right that they would be harder to notice because of the high pixel density, but I'll use pixel checker and send it back if there's an issue. Just because it's a smaller screen doesn't mathematically necessitate pixel issues. The 13in retina macbook pro has almost the same pixel density and of the few I've tested, none have any pixel issues.
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Are you really spending maybe 15-30 minutes (if that's enough) to check each display in a dark room with dark-adapted eyes?
I'm asking that because as an example my Nexus 7 has 1 stuck blue sub-pixel almost smack in the middle of the screen, I know where it is and I still need about 10-20 seconds in a dark room with a (mostly) black screen to find it again - in daylight it's just plainly impossible to locate it. On a Retina/N10/WQXGA display this will be even harder.
It's my personal opinion that a lot of the people posting here how their displays are perfect with zero errors just never see any of their stuck/dark sub-pixels. They're really that hard to find unless you have bad luck and get a completely broken pixel or a cluster of broken sub-pixels in close proximity.
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Are you really spending maybe 15-30 minutes (if that's enough) to check each display in a dark room with dark-adapted eyes?
I'm asking that because as an example my Nexus 7 has 1 stuck blue sub-pixel almost smack in the middle of the screen, I know where it is and I still need about 10-20 seconds in a dark room with a (mostly) black screen to find it again - in daylight it's just plainly impossible to locate it. On a Retina/N10/WQXGA display this will be even harder.
It's my personal opinion that a lot of the people posting here how their displays are perfect with zero errors just never see any of their stuck/dark sub-pixels. They're really that hard to find unless you have bad luck and get a completely broken pixel or a cluster of broken sub-pixels in close proximity.
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first thing I do is go to my closet and turn the brightness all the way up... lol I can not live with dead pixels..
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first thing I do is go to my closet and turn the brightness all the way up... lol I can not live with dead pixels..
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Whatever brings more happiness into your live ...
My personal view on sub-pixel errors is: if I have to search for them to see them ... I don't really care about them.
A full stuck/dark pixel (or anything that catches the eye) is a reason to send the device back though, no doubt about that.
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first thing I do is go to my closet and turn the brightness all the way up... lol I can not live with dead pixels..
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I thought I was a bit wierd doing this to test for Light Bleed! lol I feel slightly better now!
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first thing I do is go to my closet and turn the brightness all the way up... lol I can not live with dead pixels..
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I tend to do that anyway for light bleed... That's my worry. My Nexus 7 has pretty bad light bleed, and i'm okay with that because it's a cheap tablet, but I won't be happy if the Nexus 10 has bleed like that one. I can deal with a minor amount around the edges, but it's really annoying if it extends to the center of the screen, etc.
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With 2560x1600 x3 sub-pixels (=12.288.000 pixels) you will very likely not get a sample without a single defective sub-pixel. Doesn't really matter either, a stuck sub-pixel at 300 DPI resolution is so small that it will be hard to find even if you "know" where it is.
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Not really true. My monitor is 2560x1440 and I promise you, there are no dead pixels. Granted it's 27", and the Nexus is only 10", it may be a little harder to see, but throw up solid color backgrounds and you will probably see it.
Hello, i am a bit sensitive to amoled pwm flicker on a low brightness. How bad is it on the Mi A3 screen? Is there a workaround (e.g. DC dimming) for that issue? I hope that device's screen would be suitable for reading.
Sorry, what is pwm
google it bro, a method to control screen brightness via pulse-width modulation
Reading on this screen is like stabbing with hot wire in your eye. No joking. Does this screen have PWM? I thought the eye strain comes from the low resolution + pentile matrix.
Dont buy this phone, I have massive eye strain since I bought it. My eyes are red in the evening and itching.
I own 2 Samsung amoled tablets, zero eye strain after reading all night long. With this Mi A3, eye problems start the minute I use it.
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Reading on this screen is like stabbing with hot wire in your eye. No joking. Does this screen have PWM? I thought the eye strain comes from the low resolution + pentile matrix.
Dont buy this phone, I have massive eye strain since I bought it. My eyes are red in the evening and itching.
I own 2 Samsung amoled tablets, zero eye strain after reading all night long. With this Mi A3, eye problems start the minute I use it.
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Do you notice the eye strain with brightness at 100%?
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Do you notice the eye strain with brightness at 100%?
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I don't know, the eye strain is accumulative I think, you get some tolerance after I while, but when you overdo it, then it gets triggered even after 10 seconds of looking at that phone. Now my eyes are so messed up, that I'am not touching that phone again, only when I receive a call. This phone has to go away ASAP, and I was so satisfied with my MI A1, that I did not except this from Xiaomi.
Maybe Xiaomi will do a software update like they did for the Mi9.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Xiaomi-has-ditched-PWM-on-the-Mi-9.417484.0.html
In the reviews it was not mentioned to be PWM. This should be always specified.
It is a Samsung screen.
peterf81 said:
Reading on this screen is like stabbing with hot wire in your eye. No joking. Does this screen have PWM? I thought the eye strain comes from the low resolution + pentile matrix.
Dont buy this phone, I have massive eye strain since I bought it. My eyes are red in the evening and itching.
I own 2 Samsung amoled tablets, zero eye strain after reading all night long. With this Mi A3, eye problems start the minute I use it.
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Let's hope with Android 10 they switch to DC.
peterf81 said:
I don't know, the eye strain is accumulative I think, you get some tolerance after I while, but when you overdo it, then it gets triggered even after 10 seconds of looking at that phone. Now my eyes are so messed up, that I'am not touching that phone again, only when I receive a call. This phone has to go away ASAP, and I was so satisfied with my MI A1, that I did not except this from Xiaomi.
Maybe Xiaomi will do a software update like they did for the Mi9.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Xiaomi-has-ditched-PWM-on-the-Mi-9.417484.0.html
In the reviews it was not mentioned to be PWM. This should be always specified.
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PWM is widely used as it retains color accuracy with lower brightness. Even some mid-high end Samsung LCD TVs use it. DC switching is more tricky, I don't think that Xiaomi will do any major change for Mi Ax line (just see the screwed up fastboot for example - they did not fix it for years and even managed to cripple it further).
I am extremely sensitive to flickering, but I do not see anything wrong with A3 related to flicker. 720 pentile matrix is another story
☡☡☡???I have to warn you of this device, my eye is now in pain and swollen. I am not joking. This sh1t can make you literally blind!!! Wtf are they selling to us. I can imagine some poor bstrd who buys this crap and develops eye problems.???☡☡☡
I borrowed it to another person, after 5 minuted of use she had sore and watery eyes, stabbing like pain. If you are a sensitive person beware ☠☠☠
Drama much?
peterf81 said:
☡☡☡???I have to warn you of this device, my eye is now in pain and swollen. I am not joking. This sh1t can make you literally blind!!! Wtf are they selling to us. I can imagine some poor bstrd who buys this crap and develops eye problems.???☡☡☡
I borrowed it to another person, after 5 minuted of use she had sore and watery eyes, stabbing like pain. If you are a sensitive person beware
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debido666 said:
Drama much?
peterf81 said:
☡☡☡I have to warn you of this device, my eye is now in pain and swollen. I am not joking. This sh1t can make you literally blind!!! Wtf are they selling to us. I can imagine some poor bstrd who buys this crap and develops eye problems.???☡☡☡
I borrowed it to another person, after 5 minuted of use she had sore and watery eyes, stabbing like pain. If you are a sensitive person beware
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Nope, I am tolerant to all kind of bullsh1t, but what's too much is too much ... this can really damage your eyes. And all the reviews were like "yeah display is bad, but give this device at least chance". Yes, I gave it a chance, and now it is my turn to report my experience. But I really could give a **** about reporting experience, but I want to WARN pple with sensitive eyes, because a dangerous line has been crossed here.
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Then return your phone and stop whining.
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debido666 said:
Drama much?
Nope, I am tolerant to all kind of bullsh1t, but what's too much is too much ... this can really damage your eyes. And all the review were like "yeah display is bad bud give this device at least chance". Yes, I gave it a chance, and now it is my turn to report my experience. But I really could give a **** about reporting experience, but I want to WARN pple with sensitive eyes, because a dangerous line has been crossed here.
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debido666 said:
Then return your phone and stop whining.
This is not about my phone, I will deal with that. This is about saving someone's vision, avoiding health problems with eyes. I guarantee you soon other ppl will report similiar experience.
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I̶'̶m̶ ̶9̶9̶%̶ ̶s̶u̶r̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶b̶l̶e̶m̶s̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶d̶o̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶P̶W̶M̶.̶ Actually it might the PWM (see post #19 to fix it) Also you might be more sensitive to lower contrast/less sharp edges. Try to increase the brightness and use "dark theme" whenever available. They are easier on eyes. "High contrast" option in accessibility settings might be helpful as well. And last but not least, get your vision professionally checked, you may have more serious underlying problem which is "only" being exposed by this phone's screen.
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I'm 99% sure that your problems have nothing to do with the PWM. I suspect that you are more sensitive to lower contrast/less sharp edges. Try to increase the brightness and use "dark theme" whenever available. They are easier on eyes. "High contrast" option in accessibility settings might be helpful as well. And last but not least, get your vision professionally checked, you may have more serious underlying problem which is "only" being exposed by this phone's screen.
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I'd ask him to go see a therapist as well, honestly. Seems like he has more than just vision issues.
bibekmufc said:
I'd ask him to go see a therapist as well, honestly. Seems like he has more than just vision issues.
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I didn't mean it as an insult, I am serious. Healthy eyes (or with right corrective glasses) should not have such serious problems with low res screens. HD vs FHD difference is certainly visible and small details (tiny text) can be harder or even impossible to read on HD, but for "normally" sized text it should be more or less equal. HD AMOLED resembles paper ink with less sharp contours, so it's mostly a matter of "getting used to" than a real problem. This being said, I still wish it had FHD AMOLED
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I didn't mean it as an insult, I am serious. Healthy eyes (or with right corrective glasses) should not have such serious problems with low res screens. HD vs FHD difference is certainly visible and small details (tiny text) can be harder or even impossible to read on HD, but for "normally" sized text it should be more or less equal. HD AMOLED resembles paper ink with less sharp contours, so it's mostly a matter of "getting used to" than a real problem. This being said, I still wish it had FHD AMOLED
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I for one meant it because he's on every thread whining and moaning about it. It's getting annoying at this point.
Btw. those who believe that they are sensitive to PWM of A3 (every person has different threshold) - try using the device at 100% brightness for a while. At 100% there is no PWM involved.
This might be helpful as well, not only for Mi A3, but many other AMOLED phones https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.js.oledsaver
Edit: this app definitely works, no flickering and you can dim your screen to basically any level you want. Highly recommended! Just set all the permissions, "basic physical brightness" to a safe value of 255 and you are good to go.
Its been 1 month and i don't have any eye strain, don't don't really do extensive reading on my phone but ya i do read stuff on it like articles, so not that big of a issue for me