Hi All
I just picked up the Oppo 10x zoom for a very decent price. Hadn't been specifically considering it but wanted a good, flexible camera and everything else is so expensive now. I knew that the phone didn't support saving RAW files in the camera app but thought it was worth the trade off given its low price. I'm coming from an LG G6.
I've installed Gcam and this does seem to provide RAW with the main lens, but to get the wide and telephoto lenses would require me to root, which I am not prepared to do (and even then I don't know if there are any configs that would allow using them anyway). I should say that I am not 100% sure this is true raw, although it saved as a .dng file.
I assume that Oppo doesn't intend to add this feature in the future because they would already have done so. But, I thought it might be worth asking: does anyone know if they might? I presume this hasn't been added with ColorOS 7? (I believe that the Find X2 Pro supports RAW for example).
Many thanks and hope everyone is doing well in this strange times.
Charley
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Hi All
I just picked up the Oppo 10x zoom for a very decent price. Hadn't been specifically considering it but wanted a good, flexible camera and everything else is so expensive now. I knew that the phone didn't support saving RAW files in the camera app but thought it was worth the trade off given its low price. I'm coming from an LG G6.
I've installed Gcam and this does seem to provide RAW with the main lens, but to get the wide and telephoto lenses would require me to root, which I am not prepared to do (and even then I don't know if there are any configs that would allow using them anyway). I should say that I am not 100% sure this is true raw, although it saved as a .dng file.
I assume that Oppo doesn't intend to add this feature in the future because they would already have done so. But, I thought it might be worth asking: does anyone know if they might? I presume this hasn't been added with ColorOS 7? (I believe that the Find X2 Pro supports RAW for example).
Many thanks and hope everyone is doing well in this strange times.
Charley
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With the 10xz being capable of RAW photography, I can't see any reason why Oppo don't implement it in their camera software as it is using camera2.api
It's a bit embarrassing that the awful GCam supports it and Oppo camera doesn't. If it did, it would certainly make it one the the best Android camera systems
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With the 10xz being capable of RAW photography, I can't see any reason why Oppo don't implement it in their camera software as it is using camera2.api
It's a bit embarrassing that the awful GCam supports it and Oppo camera doesn't. If it did, it would certainly make it one the the best Android camera systems
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I can understand why Oppo might want to limit RAW support to the 'Expert' mode, but there doesn't seem to be a good reason to not allow it at all. Especially given the photo-focused nature of the camera. I know that RAW files out of phones can sometimes look really bad because the phone makes so many changes to the image data from the sensor when it creates the final jpeg. But I am prepared to make those adjustments myself.
I updated to the c.27 ColorOS 7 update last night and they have made some nice layout changes to the camera app - I am particularly pleased with the move to a 5x rather than a 6x zoom step. So, they are still investing some time in supporting the 10x Zoom.
On GCam, the RAW file produced is not recognised by my desktop editing programme, DXO Photolab 3, but Snapseed on the phone does seem to recognise it as a proper .dng RAW file. Regardless, I would have thought OPPO itself could enable RAW properly - perhaps include it with an update to allow video recording from all three lenses (which again must be technically possible because it can be done in the developer debugging mode).
For what it's worth I contacted Oppo UK to ask about adding RAW file support to the 10x Zoom. They replied really quickly, which was good. They said they would feed this back to relevant people, which is all one can expect. But I think it's worth giving the feedback anyway.
Cattex said:
For what it's worth I contacted Oppo UK to ask about adding RAW file support to the 10x Zoom. They replied really quickly, which was good. They said they would feed this back to relevant people, which is all one can expect. But I think it's worth giving the feedback anyway.
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It's a step.
Yep.
I've been doing some more experimenting with the RAW files. An easier way to get a .DNG file is to use Open Camera (or a number of others do the same thing) - this doesn't require installing from a .APK like GCam.
Snapseed seems to see these as true RAW files and the ones from Open Camera are the a much larger file size than the jpegs (~22mb). I've tried editing a couple and they do seem to give the kind of latitude I would expect with a RAW file (given its a phone sensor). Again only with the main camera. This is of some use if you want to do things like B&W conversions as this should be better quality going from RAW to a B&W jpeg then using the camera's B&W filter or converting a colour jpeg to B&W. It might also be useful if you want to bring out the shadows or try and save highlights, I would expect results to be slightly better than the phone's auto settings. But, this may not be by much, and may not be worth the hassle of RAW. What's probably more useful is tweaking the image's colours and sharpness to suite your taste for important photographs.
What I am not clear on:
The .DNG files are not recognised by DXO Labs 3 - which they should be if they were true .DNG files. I've even tried converting them with Adobe's DNG converter, but still no luck. This makes me suspicious.
The .DNG files are saved as 12mp files, so they have been through the pixel binning process. I don't know when Oppo applies the conversion from pixel-binned file to jpeg. If it goes 48mp RAW -> 48mp jpeg -> pixel binned 12mp jpeg, then these can't be true RAW files. If it's 48mp RAW -> 12mp pixel-binned RAW -> 12mp jpeg, they could be.
It is frustrating though that the tele and wide sensors are not available to the Camera2 API. Especially as I think the Oppo Find X2 Pro's telephoto sensor is the same as the 10x zoom's and does allow RAW.
I'll continue to play around and put any significant finds in this thread.
I managed to make RAW photos with FreeDCam. - https://f-droid.org/en/packages/troop.com.freedcam/
FreeDCam seems to support all 4 cameras, so you can also make raw photos with the telephoto lens for example.
Unfortunately I did not managed to take photos with 48M pixels, yet.
It is opensource, so maybe 48M pixel support could be added. Unfortunately, again, I do not have time to do so right now...
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I see a lot of people developing their own flavor of gingerbread for the Evo 3D and that's awesome. But I don't see much improving other aspects of the phone that could be universal... like the camera.
I'm a photographer/video producer so this sort of thing is important to me and I don't want to carry my big camera everywhere. We all know the biggest issue with the camera is the green-tinted pictures taken with the flash. I don't even see a white balance setting for the flash available to choose manually.
I had read that there were a lot of other features promised but removed from this phone's camera such as scene modes (though I could care less about this).
Another issue I've read about and noticed is the jpg compression used for the camera. It's good for the small screen and web, but too heavily compressed for anything else.
Then there's an issue of when you half-press the shutter button, it focuses (good) then press all the way it re-focuses. The proper way this should work is focus on half press, snap photo without another focus on the full press.
The shutter lag is awful too, but I guess it's pretty much the norm as far as phones go.
Of course I have a wishlist of things to be added *cough new mytouch camera cough* but someone needs to figure out this green flash problem first...
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I see a lot of people developing their own flavor of gingerbread for the Evo 3D and that's awesome. But I don't see much improving other aspects of the phone that could be universal... like the camera.
I'm a photographer/video producer so this sort of thing is important to me and I don't want to carry my big camera everywhere. We all know the biggest issue with the camera is the green-tinted pictures taken with the flash. I don't even see a white balance setting for the flash available to choose manually.
I had read that there were a lot of other features promised but removed from this phone's camera such as scene modes (though I could care less about this).
Another issue I've read about and noticed is the jpg compression used for the camera. It's good for the small screen and web, but too heavily compressed for anything else.
Then there's an issue of when you half-press the shutter button, it focuses (good) then press all the way it re-focuses. The proper way this should work is focus on half press, snap photo without another focus on the full press.
The shutter lag is awful too, but I guess it's pretty much the norm as far as phones go.
Of course I have a wishlist of things to be added *cough new mytouch camera cough* but someone needs to figure out this green flash problem first...
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i have very little professional photography experience and def don't have the eye to pick up on the color differences as they appear very subtle to me.
are there any camera apps in the market which implement some of the features you've listed?
as far as modifying the htc camera apk file, it is not open sourced so all work will have to be done through reverse engineering.
the compression setting was mentioned a few days ago in a thread here and i did research it in the AOSP version of the camera apk which is open sourced. i was able to find the line with the compression setting and it should be fairly simple to modifying the settings panel to provide an option for the user to adjust this. all the info is in my post on that thread.
if you wanted to post up your wish list of camera features, or contact some of the camera app devs in the market with your feature list, given you have a professional photography background, i would think they would be open to your suggestions.
Thanks for the reply. I didn't realize it would take so much reverse engineering there. And yes, some photos with the flash are harder to tell the off white balance, but I stopped using the flash and never taking night pics with this phone... Day time photos are awesome if not for the compression.
I haven't had much luck in finding any camera apps yet, hasn't occurred to me really. But I do love HDR Pro for the hdr pics - if anyone's interested in experimenting with that (takes a couple pics in dif exposures then combines them for a more natural and detailed photo)
I guess I'll have to wait to see if HTC does anything more with it or search for an alternative. Thanks though.
It's a phone. You'll never get true professional quality photos from a phone no matter what app you use. As a photographer you know that...f-stops, aperture, lenses and all the other stuff that photographers talk about can't really be changed on a phone's camera. To really get professional quality photos and video, even though phone cameras have gotten very good, you need to use the right equipment.
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It's a phone. You'll never get true professional quality photos from a phone no matter what app you use. As a photographer you know that...f-stops, aperture, lenses and all the other stuff that photographers talk about can't really be changed on a phone's camera. To really get professional quality photos and video, even though phone cameras have gotten very good, you need to use the right equipment.
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You're right but that's not my complaint. As I stated, my biggest gripe is the green tinted photos with the flash and compression. There are features I'd like to see from the latest mytouch camera (native hdr, no shutter lag - which is done with a constant image stream or something like that, etc)
you can have some things improved with the software side of things, but yes, hardware is a limitation and I'm not expecting this to replace a professional camera.
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Thanks for the reply. I didn't realize it would take so much reverse engineering there. And yes, some photos with the flash are harder to tell the off white balance, but I stopped using the flash and never taking night pics with this phone... Day time photos are awesome if not for the compression.
I haven't had much luck in finding any camera apps yet, hasn't occurred to me really. But I do love HDR Pro for the hdr pics - if anyone's interested in experimenting with that (takes a couple pics in dif exposures then combines them for a more natural and detailed photo)
I guess I'll have to wait to see if HTC does anything more with it or search for an alternative. Thanks though.
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I've used HDR pro. I've also used Vignette which was my favorite camera app on the EVO 4G. It works on the 3D but of course you can only take 2D pictures with any of the third party cameras...so far.
On the HTC website/forum they do acknowledge the issues with the camera and say they are working on an update to correct them. I guess we'll see if that ever comes to fruition.
Is there a working camera fix (mod) that will allow for changing compression settings in the camera as well as reduce the image processing which results in detail loss :?
I just bought the device and would love to be able to take better images - and I feel that this loss of details can be avoided. images at 5mpx should not be 500kb in any case and the details even on older devices with lower mpx show more details.
Maybe if there is a working fix people can also post sample shots to see how it really works. (ICS or GB)
Plus this mod could also be implemented in other roms later on so that more people can benefit.
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Take a look at this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=24147607
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Take a look at this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=24147607
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Just read through the entire thread + all the linked threads to that ...
as it seems compression is not the problem here ...
the camera drivers need to be altered or drivers from a better image producing device to be ported....
anyone has a progress on that :?
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Just read through the entire thread + all the linked threads to that ...
as it seems compression is not the problem here ...
the camera drivers need to be altered or drivers from a better image producing device to be ported....
anyone has a progress on that :?
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I don't know much but I think the drivers are proprietary and cannot be edited.
I guess we should wait for Sony to release the ICS update, maybe the camera will get better
Hope something could be adapted from another device even - better adapted to make good photos. Fingers crossed
Anyone tried updating to ICS? The camera quality has been improved. Now the image size is ~2mb i guess
Forget about driver replacing: if i understand correctly you mixed old methods for phones (for example K790i on platform db2020 etc.): changing acoustic, display, camera drivers. I just tryed all of this by myself in the past ^_^ In android smartphones there is only way to improve quality - change camera's APK file Because drivers for internal absolutelly incompatible between different devices. You can find everything you need on Apps section of our subforum
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Forget about driver replacing: if i understand correctly you mixed old methods for phones (for example K790i on platform db2020 etc.): changing acoustic, display, camera drivers. I just tryed all of this by myself in the past ^_^ In android smartphones there is only way to improve quality - change camera's APK file Because drivers for internal absolutelly incompatible between different devices. You can find everything you need on Apps section of our subforum
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so what are you suggesting ... : ?
how do we lose the over agressive post process sharpening etc ?
wbgenetic said:
so what are you suggesting ... : ?
how do we lose the over agressive post process sharpening etc ?
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we could, if best developers would focus on this, not new kernels and roms
but it seems no one is willing to focus on camera quality ;( i miss old days whan i had k750/w810
It may be possible to improve the photo quality output of the SK17, but I don't think it's going to do as well as some previous generation camera phones just due to the physics of it all.
If you take a look at the lens used on the SK17 vs. iPhone or even the X10 Mini Pro, you'll find the lens is smaller, as well as the aperture ect... This means a smaller image sensor which ultimately means lower PQ.
The only way it could match larger lenses would be if they had used more advanced image sensor technology such as EXMOR to improve sensor sensitivity or speed, as they did in the Xperia Ray. Unfortunately they didn't use this technology in the SK17 series of phones.
I'm hoping up coming newer versions of the phone will make use of both a larger lens as well as advanced sensor technology.
If you use a camera app. such as 360 camera, you can defeat the compression, but the pictures don't really look much better to me. The negligible improvement in PQ may be the reason why Sony implemented this level of compression in the first place, since the lens isn't able to deliver.
Mike
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It may be possible to improve the photo quality output of the SK17, but I don't think it's going to do as well as some previous generation camera phones just due to the physics of it all.
If you take a look at the lens used on the SK17 vs. iPhone or even the X10 Mini Pro, you'll find the lens is smaller, as well as the aperture ect... This means a smaller image sensor which ultimately means lower PQ.
The only way it could match larger lenses would be if they had used more advanced image sensor technology such as EXMOR to improve sensor sensitivity or speed, as they did in the Xperia Ray. Unfortunately they didn't use this technology in the SK17 series of phones.
I'm hoping up coming newer versions of the phone will make use of both a larger lens as well as advanced sensor technology.
If you use a camera app. such as 360 camera, you can defeat the compression, but the pictures don't really look much better to me. The negligible improvement in PQ may be the reason why Sony implemented this level of compression in the first place, since the lens isn't able to deliver.
Mike
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I partially agree with the sensor being small - hence output suffering quality - however I've had a nokia e50 long time ago with an even smaller lens at 1.3mpx which produced similar images (well sometimes) in terms of quality. I would be interested to see how the device performs without the crazy compression settings ... I have my feelings that output will improve vastly.
Btw on GB with camera ICS+ the images were very good actually - even though I wish they were not as compressed as they are - nothing else.
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we could, if best developers would focus on this, not new kernels and roms
but it seems no one is willing to focus on camera quality ;( i miss old days whan i had k750/w810
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I was using your 21.93 driver for my W810 and I believe you can do with camera everything you like, so get off your butt and start an investigation
ICS camera is much better for taking photos.. but when it comes to video camera, overall OS speed and experience.. ICS SUCKS!
any one got solution for improving stills quality in xperia mini/pro?
try this, the compression is reduced a bit: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1935982
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try this, the compression is reduced a bit: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1935982
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ya m currently using that mod but still m not happy with the results.. i think its the camera lens and sensor sony used in xperia mini/pro
Hey guys, I'm returning from a recent trip to iPhoneland and I'm looking for the camera app that's closest to keeping up with the iPhone's camera.
I'm running cm11 and so far the best I've found is this one here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2540030
This one takes a lot better pictures than the stock cm or the google camera from the play store, but it still lags behind the iPhone.
it's not about the camera app, it's about the hardware...
No camera app on LG G2 can match iPhone and/or Nokia just because of the camera hardware (sensor, lens,...) which is not that good on LG
To explore full benefits of LG camera hardware, you'll have to move to one of stock based roms and then try i.e. Xdabbeb camera...
60nine said:
it's not about the camera app, it's about the hardware...
No camera app on LG G2 can match iPhone and/or Nokia just because of the camera hardware (sensor, lens,...) which is not that good on LG
To explore full benefits of LG camera hardware, you'll have to move to one of stock based roms and then try i.e. Xdabbeb camera...
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Alright that's what I was kind of afraid of. I know that there is a limit to how good the camera is going to be but I was hoping I hadn't found it yet. There is a significant variation between the different camera apps I have tried. It's too bad we can't use the camera to its full potential on aosp based roms.
I would strongly disagree with what 60nine just said, but that's just me. The main issue is the stock "camera" app is kinda crappy and does way too much processing on the image data from the sensor. It's not the best image sensor that's ever been made, no, of course not, but it is quite a nice one especially with the OIS as part of the hardware.
Having said that, I personally use Mi2raw nowadays which allows me to capture pure raw image data from the G2 sensor and dumps it as a DNG (Adobe Digital Negative) file which I then transfer over to my laptop for editing/post processing using Photoshop.
If you want some examples of what the G2's camera is capable of, look here:
https://www.flickr.com/groups/[email protected]/pool/
You can find more info about Mi2raw (available on the Google Play Market, it's free) in the main thread for it and yes there's more pics too:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g2/general/app-mi2raw-enables-capturing-real-raw-t2837089
Again, we're not dealing with the best image sensor ever made but I've been damned happy with the results I've been getting with my G2 because of Mi2raw (I just got this G2 like 3 weeks ago).
As far as other apps, I use Aviary (it was free a few days ago, with every single filter they had for free too so I grabbed it all and backed it up safely), PerfectlyClear which gave away their Android app for free last week (it's not too bad, actually), and Photoshop Express (which can load the DNG files directly on the G2 directly from Mi2raw for quick viewing).
There's also XCam LG which adds a lot of functionality to the G2 including giving it 4K video recording capability (just make sure to read the details in the thread):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2548974
XCam LG has a settings app to tweak it further located on the Play Market as well, it's worth the price if you need it.
For me personally I just use Mi2raw for most every picture I snap these days then do editing/PP work when I get back home, it's what works best for me at this time.
Hope this helps...
Try Cymera. It's free and has good editing tools. Drawbacks are that it takes a bit to load and is not too stable. It's the only camera app that focuses correctly and has a proper white balance!!!! The resolution is small 1 Megapixel?, but the image is sharper and better than any 13megapixel shot from other camera apps or stock.
Otherwise just take the stock LG camera app as a daily driver.
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I would strongly disagree with what 60nine just said, but that's just me. The main issue is the stock "camera" app is kinda crappy and does way too much processing on the image data from the sensor. It's not the best image sensor that's ever been made, no, of course not, but it is quite a nice one especially with the OIS as part of the hardware.
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why would you disagree if its known that iPhone and Nokia use way better sensor and lenses? (and i'm not an iphone fanboy, far from that )
i didn't say that LG hardware is crap - i'm just saying that it's no match to those two... or to say it better - "close but no cigar"
Nokia & iPhone give much better low light images than LG (partly due to better sensor, partly due to smaller f-stop lens number which lets more light onto the sensor)
for comparison
LG G2 has F/2.4 lens < iphone/nokia use F/2.2 lens (smaller the f-stop, more light comes in)
Having said that, I personally use Mi2raw nowadays which allows me to capture pure raw image data from the G2 sensor and dumps it as a DNG (Adobe Digital Negative) file which I then transfer over to my laptop for editing/post processing using Photoshop.
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i didn't mention mi2raw app on purpose because it's not for everyone... and since i'm a photo hobbyist and DSLR owner, it gives me a bit of real camera world in a mobile device...
and what i like about mi2raw (besides its raw capability) is that the photos taken with that app don't look "painted" or "blurred" because of too much noise reduction that other camera apps produce
mi2raw would be too complicated to use for an average user... but hey - it's free, and everyone can try it and see
everything else you wrote - i second...
+ Snapseed is an image app worth mentioning especially with its ambiance setting that gives an image a nice "bump" in every way if it's used correctly...
personally i'm currently "stuck" with mi2raw, xdabbeb's XCam (because of those extra options you mentioned) and google camera (because it's the best for panorama/sphere images)
cheers...
In my opinion the best camera so far has been the one with CloudyG3 ROM
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Thanks for the Mi2RAW suggestion, I'll check that out. I work with raws from my dslr but I don't know how badly I really need to have all my phone pictures shot as raw. I'll see how it goes
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In my opinion the best camera so far has been the one with CloudyG3 ROM
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which is basically a stock cam app that uses xdabbeb's advanced binaries (so it's pretty much the same as XCam, but Xcam gets updated by xdabbeb every now and then)
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Thanks for the Mi2RAW suggestion, I'll check that out. I work with raws from my dslr but I don't know how badly I really need to have all my phone pictures shot as raw. I'll see how it goes
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sometimes you just want that bit of extra image customization that raw offers
since you have dslr as well, you know what i'm on about
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which is basically a stock cam app that uses xdabbeb's advanced binaries (so it's pretty much the same as XCam, but Xcam gets updated by xdabbeb every now and then)
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sometimes you just want that bit of extra image customization that raw offers
since you have dslr as well, you know what i'm on about
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I did not know that thanks
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"a Better Camera" app is what I use on non stock Roms and it's very good. LG camera hardware is not that good? You make me laugh... Can IPhone camera record 4k?Does it have ois?
The only thing that iPhone is better at is the image processing. That's it. (period).
I use the G2's stock camera app on AICP. It's okay, but the images look washed out compared to my Optimus G.
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60nine said:
it's not about the camera app, it's about the hardware...
No camera app on LG G2 can match iPhone and/or Nokia just because of the camera hardware (sensor, lens,...) which is not that good on LG
To explore full benefits of LG camera hardware, you'll have to move to one of stock based roms and then try i.e. Xdabbeb camera...
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Bulsh*t of the month/year? :fingers-crossed: Only way to reveal the potencial of any and I mean ANY camera HW is to shoot RAW only! You can say Lg stock camera is bad and I will agree but not talk about HW whenn you didnt see pure RAW data. Just look at the samples I shot with the best android camera for photo enthusiasts: Mi2raw camera which is capable of capturing pure DNG files without freaky Lg jpeg engine, which is IMHO the worst I ever seen. I took indoor photos on ISO400-800 so dont blame the small sensor of more noise, no such a small sensor will perform any better. Still great results in todays mobile photography. Even Xdabbed camera which is great contribution cannot match results from RAW data and personal approach for photography. One minute for one photo and the results are uncomparable.
Anyone tried porting the Pixelmaster camera app from the various Asus Zenfones? It takes really incredible low light photos by reducing resolution to 2 megapixels and it is awesome (the only reason I fell envious of my brother's otherwise mediocre zenfone 5). Check here too, someone had plans of porting but not sure what happened to him since... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2712403
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Anyone tried porting the Pixelmaster camera app from the various Asus Zenfones? It takes really incredible low light photos by reducing resolution to 2 megapixels and it is awesome (the only reason I fell envious of my brother's otherwise mediocre zenfone 5). Check here too, someone had plans of porting but not sure what happened to him since... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2712403
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Why should I want 2Mpx photos from 13Mpx camera? From 13Mox->2Mpx I will do awesome photos too! 2Mpx=fullHD , 2160p=4K got it? Rather show us those amazing photos
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Why should I want 2Mpx photos from 13Mpx camera? From 13Mox->2Mpx I will do awesome photos too! 2Mpx=fullHD , 2160p=4K got it? Rather show us those amazing photos
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again. it takes normal pics at full resolution, then there is a night mode which takes very very nice pics in dark situations at full resolution (better than almost any other phone out there) and then there is a special night mode that reduces pic resolution to 2 megapixels, but boy those night pics are the best I have ever seen.... Check this for example. and no worries about zenfone 5 camera being 8 megapixels. the zenfone 6 has 13 and same software...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_TPqwDYStI
so you still live in a world where more megapixels mean better images?
i.e. see why HTC went for lower mpx in its flagship devices...
about my "bullsh*t of the year"... do some reading and know some basics of the digital photography...
i never said that LG G2 camera is bad, read my post again & read hardware tech specs of the other devices...
i like the mi2raw app very much (see my posts there in the app thread) - it's the best thing that happened to this device considering the camera/photo...
and i think LG G2 camera hardware can do much more - especially on the strange "painted like" image compression effect which i hate so much...
i'd say - LG G2 is close, but no cigar
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Bulsh*t of the month/year? :fingers-crossed: Only way to reveal the potencial of any and I mean ANY camera HW is to shoot RAW only! You can say Lg stock camera is bad and I will agree but not talk about HW whenn you didnt see pure RAW data. Just look at the samples I shot with the best android camera for photo enthusiasts: Mi2raw camera which is capable of capturing pure DNG files without freaky Lg jpeg engine, which is IMHO the worst I ever seen. I took indoor photos on ISO400-800 so dont blame the small sensor of more noise, no such a small sensor will perform any better. Still great results in todays mobile photography. Even Xdabbed camera which is great contribution cannot match results from RAW data and personal approach for photography. One minute for one photo and the results are uncomparable.
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Because of RAW the G2 is one of the top android cameras, that is true. However, the flagship Lumia devices also shoot RAW.
Yes I know, iphone can shoot RAW too, so android is behind somehow...
60nine: Ive read everything you've written, thats why I had to react. I know a lot about photography, HW a more, so Im OK. Thanks. And about pixels, even 8Mpx iphone camera is worse than 16Mpx SGN4 camera so give me a break...HTCs cameras are the worst from the biggest flagship manufacturers. HTCs cameras lags of detail and lost every shootout with competition. And I will tell you something, you will need at least 2160p for viewing on upcoming 4K display devices...so now the pixels matters. I know that more pixels suffers from dynamic range and more noise, but it will be hidden in more Mpx photo with good postprocess. So if you find comparison between IP6 and LG G2 in RAW at same settings and same scene and IP6 will be better, youll have my respect and appologies.
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i won't bother answering to a person who thinks more mpx means better images (on a same sized sensor), so cheers...
raw is not for an average users anyway
The z3V camera is disappointing to me. The Sony pixel interpolation software leaves a lot to be desired. A close up of a 20MP photo in sunlight reveals terrible cluster shadows and jaggies. Everyone knows (or should) that a 1/2.3" sensor cannot physically hold 20MP. (More like about 8.2.) Even when the size is set to 8 MP it looks terrible.
I've helped port some Canon P&S cameras on the CHDK forums years back. We got them to do focus and meter bracketing, added manual focusing, intervalometer, manual iso settings, etc, which were not options offered on any pocket camera back then. We also got them to save files uncompressed and untouched by software as .tiff files. The raw files show the true sensor size in the exif data, and allow post processing software of your choice. They come out far superior to what any in-camera software does.
Can someone add the ability to save photos taken by the z3V as .tiff or raw files? Currently I use Camera VF-5 which gives a decent UI and a few manual controls. But there are some manual controls missing -in other words, the z3V doesn't have the hardware to support all of the functions the app can. Seems the only thing this camera has going for it as far as bragging rights is the 20MP capability, and is not even that good.
Bump for another try...
Well in lollipop there is raw support. Sony needs to add it via a update. Which they are currently asking if users want
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I've read that Sony is asking that since posting this. But I also read that many many phones are not working with RAW, as in Lollipop uses code that the markets need to release compatible firmware to make use of it?
I just combed through a year long thread of exhausting work done by devs on this and their site got shut down because someone said it was malware.
Stay put, you should see the attachment in my latest thread that I have of the Z3v.
...Staying put, but checking in several times daily...
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...Staying put, but checking in several times daily...
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If you look at his official lollipop at the end of January post.. His first post the opening ones has 2 attachments. He has the z5 camera on his z3v with a much bigger expansion of options for the camera.
If do a Google for "Z5 camera apk" you will find the port and that it is buggy still.
The z5 camera itself doesn't support RAW files. AFAK Sony hasn't implemented it yet.
I personally like the ui of the older camera that's on the z3V. I installed the z5 last week and the ui is awful. Everything that the current z3V camera has worked fine. But no RAW without some writing it in somehow I guess.
I have to assume (hope) that's what GigaSPX is working on.
I believe that, because of the hardware, the z3 camera is capable of producing fantastic RAW files for manual post editing. The in-device software crunches the photo to hell and back.
I just tried to find out how many pixels are on this sensor, and there are indeed 20.3MP. (So my initial post in this thread is all wrong in that regard...).
But the sensor size means the pixels are extremely small and light becomes a real problem.
According to Techspot, The iPhone 6 8MP sensors individual pixels are capable of processing 88% more light than those of the Sony z3 sensor. The iPhone 6 sensor is smaller than the Z3V sensor, but the individual pixel size is much larger.
Sure, when you try to supersize the iPhone photo you'll start to see individual pixels, but when you supersize the Sony picture you see patches of pixels muddled together. Somehow it's even worse.
The ability to capture in DNG will be a refreshing compromise for a limited piece of hardware that is on the higher end of the phone spectrum.
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The z5 camera itself doesn't support RAW files. AFAK Sony hasn't implemented it yet.
I personally like the ui of the older camera that's on the z3V. I installed the z5 last week and the ui is awful. Everything that the current z3V camera has worked fine. But no RAW without some writing it in somehow I guess.
I have to assume (hope) that's what GigaSPX is working on.
I believe that, because of the hardware, the z3 camera is capable of producing fantastic RAW files for manual post editing. The in-device software crunches the photo to hell and back.
I just tried to find out how many pixels are on this sensor, and there are indeed 20.3MP. (So my initial post in this thread is all wrong in that regard...).
But the sensor size means the pixels are extremely small and light becomes a real problem.
According to Techspot, The iPhone 6 8MP sensors individual pixels are capable of processing 88% more light than those of the Sony z3 sensor. The iPhone 6 sensor is smaller than the Z3V sensor, but the individual pixel size is much larger.
Sure, when you try to supersize the iPhone photo you'll start to see individual pixels, but when you supersize the Sony picture you see patches of pixels muddled together. Somehow it's even worse.
The ability to capture in DNG will be a refreshing compromise for a limited piece of hardware that is on the higher end of the phone spectrum.
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I was surprised my other thread was locked out due to it going off topic before I could say something to bring it back to being on topic again. Here was what I wanted to reply to everyone in regards to the assumptions:
I appreciate all your guys support, but I've never once admitted to being a developer. I'm currently a 5th year senior finishing my bachelors in business and busy running part of the family business that's in no way related to development. I'd definitely love to learn but I'd definitely consider later on in the year. For now, I just help out with other users who share their time in making the most use out of the Z3v. :highfive:
Oh and there isn't RAW support since it really is up to Sony to add that on there.
And to @1linuxfreak:
Although I'm no dev, I've partaken in many trials of Android mods and actually a few customized ROMs from the Z3v from another user. Of those many times, I've had softbricked my phone, and broke a lot of things within my phone, such as calling. It was a frustrating day to figure out what went wrong when I can make calls, but not fully receive calls from important people that day.
As for the Z5 Camera mod made specially to be compatible for the Z3v, I am pushing that time to the end of the month in case there is an official OTA so I can bundle everything together for an easy jump to the official Lollipop. Otherwise if it's another flopped announcement, I will make the zip available.
I'll tell everyone this though, unlocking the bootloader is no easy feat. There were times that it came close, but ultimately hard bricked for Verizon warranty. This person you should thank for making his several attempts and actually got booted from Verizon's insurance is @zachariahpope .
Hi All
I wanted to determine whether the 48MP mode of the camera was real 48MP or upscaled 12MP so I set up a focus test chart and took a bunch of photos. For completeness, I took the same photo with different lens combinations too.
It occurred that the photos may be useful to others so below is a link to the whole lot in a zip file:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1A_K6m9aahmQdrA0eEArExZAHiz0LkKMu
The photos are all named sensibly so hopefully you can identify each one easily. Here's the contents of the zip file:
GCam\GCam12MPTeleZoom2X.dng
GCam\GCam12MPTeleZoom2X.jpg
GCam\GCam16MPULTRAWIDE.dng
GCam\GCam16MPULTRAWIDE.jpg
GCam\GCam48MPWIDE.dng
GCam\GCam48MPWIDE.jpg
GCam\GCam48MPWIDECrop.tif
GCam\GCam48MPWIDE_Upscaled.jpg
GCam\GCam48MPWIDE_Upscaled_Crop.jpg
OpenCamera\OpenCamera48MPWIDE.dng
OpenCamera\OpenCamera48MPWIDE.jpg
OpenCamera\OpenCamera48MPWIDECrop.jpg
StockCam\GCam12MPTeleZoom2X.jpg
StockCam\StockCam16MPULTRAWIDE.jpg
StockCam\StockCam48MPWIDE.jpg
StockCam\StockCam48MPWIDECrop.jpg
As you can see, I've included some 100% crops and upscales of the crops for comparison.
I'll add more detail in the thread:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/Mi-9/help/sony-imx586-produce-true-48mp-images-t3916583
Cheers
Attached is a small version of the test chart. A full version is included in the zip above.
that's sad I just ordered the mi9, thought that the mobile is not capable of reaching the full megapixel count, but it seems the stock app can, it would be nice to take a raw with that resolution.. Any updates on this?
I do not think so this is a relevant comparison, due to there is so many software bug in the camera. Please check here for some example: photos.app.goo.gl/xLMhiBJVm8EwtvVCA
stema84 said:
that's sad I just ordered the mi9, thought that the mobile is not capable of reaching the full megapixel count, but it seems the stock app can, it would be nice to take a raw with that resolution.. Any updates on this?
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No, sorry I banged on the xiaomi.eu developers door and they told me to contact Xiaomi directly. I filed a bug report, but got no response.
It's a pity 'cos the Gcam ports work from the RAW files and those are smaller than the max res of the front and rear sensors.
I did ask if the Gcam developers could fish out 48mp raw, but was told it can only do what the camera2 api allows.
I'm not sure where to go now....
lipi12345 said:
I do not think so this is a relevant comparison, due to there is so many software bug in the camera. Please check here for some example: photos.app.goo.gl/xLMhiBJVm8EwtvVCA
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Which camera bugs do you think affected the comparison?
picitup said:
Which camera bugs do you think affected the comparison?
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The Mi9 camera is totally unusable with the current ROM. You can find some detail here: c.mi.com/thread-2232484-1-0.html
lipi12345 said:
The Mi9 camera is totally unusable with the current ROM. You can find some detail here: c.mi.com/thread-2232484-1-0.html
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This is totally unrelated to this topic
Could you try this? If it's true, maybe it works for the Mi 9 as well. If so, try raw while doing it and post some images thx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT7lWQjcH6s