[kernel] Collection of kernels from different Custom-ROMs for S3mini - i8190 - Galaxy S III Mini Android Development

1.
Before you flash any kernel here,
- read the ROMs thread about issues and bugs!
- do a full backup of your existing system!
- make sure you know exactly what you are doing!
I will NOT take any response if you brick your phone in any case!!!
Let's do the party...
Because I was always missing some kernel threads for our nice device I decided to start with a collection of available kernels.
To expand that collection YOUR help is highly appreciated!!!
- Please report kernels not/working with ROMs
- Please report if you know about updates.
- Feel free to post kernels here - but please, do not forget to ask about permissions and to give proper credits!
Overview:
Chaco kernel by ChacoX
Novafusion kernel by Novafusion.pl
PA kernel by tenshi_xp
Anykernel by Android-Andi
NEXT-Kernel [SINGLE/DUAL BOOT] by Android-Andi
CroPol kernel [CPU OC][GPU OC][F2FS] by ChromeMonochrome & yanpol199
OmniROM kernel by golden_guy
OmniROM kernel by Fred6681
1N4148's kernels
Stock kernels and modems
Thanks to koragg97 for the link
Feel free to add any kernel you find. Links to posts with new kernels will be added here as soon as I have a little time.
If you need a template for flashing the boot.img (and modules), here you are:
http://goo.gl/bzSIfC
We also have a
Kernel zip to tar to flash it with odin
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644240
for some emergency cases...
Ach ja, I don't take any credits!
All credits belong to the developers!!!
Special Thanks to:
- OliverG for his continously useful sources.
- A never forgotten chinese guy who leaked some rare sources.
Have fun!

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Chaco-Kernel by chacoX
This kernel got the first post because I was using this .zip by replacing the boot.img and the system/lib/modules to create flashable zips for the kernels I extracted.
Thanx ChacoX. Sorry that it went so silent in your thread...
[KERNEL CM11/Carbon4.4.2/AOKP4.4.2/CM10.2] Chaco kernel 20140116
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2604174
- Expected NOT to work with f2fs

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Novafusion-Kernel by Novafusion
This kernel is extracted from
[ROM][4.4.4] Carbon 4.4.4 20140707 [FULLY WORKING] ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2641289
with a 'silent' permission of New Maclaw.
All credits to him and the Novafusion Team!
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Latest:
NF-kernel 20141101
https://app.box.com/s/9yox0u7p5wekdmbe416l
- Switch to single platform RTC driver - AB500 (clock freeze fix)
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NF-kernel 20140814
- SElinux enabled
http://goo.gl/n5tilS
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NF-kernel 20140724
-Kernel Update GT-I8190_JB_Opensource_Update2
http://goo.gl/XCtke6
I took it from here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=54372738
Note:
tenshi_xp gave Novafusion users an option to switch back easily system partition to ext4, read more here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=54354688
I included the files to the kernel package - by flashing you will find msfa already at system together with the modified updater_script (as .txt).
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NF-kernel 20140612
http://goo.gl/LH7fBu
Sorry for the wrong build date at the file name... it was extracted from the names ROM release...
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- Expected to work on all 4.4.x ROMs

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Kernels by tenshi_xp
This kernel is extracted from
[ROM][UNOFFICIAL][KitKat 4.4.4][golden]ParanoidAndroid 4.4 [04-07-2014][AOSPA]
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2804996
with friendly permission of tenshi_xp. All credits to him!
It is based on Novafusion kernel with some additional features:
Features:
- Kernels are available for EXT4 and F2FS just for working offline charging
- Governors: abysplug, lulzactiveq, ZenX, zeneractive, intelliactve, sakutactive, pegasusq, hotplug, interactiveq, conservative, ondemand, userspace, powersave, interactive, performance
- Shedulers: noop, deadline, cfq, sio, row, zen, fifo, sioplus
- ZRam: 144Mb
- OverClock 100 - 1200Mhz
- LiveOpp 2.0.2 by cocafe
- Single platform RTC driver by golden-guy
- ABBamp Sound Control v. 2.5.0
- Enabled SELinux
- LZ4 compression
- Enabled Unaligned access
- Disabled KSM
- Exfat driver v1.2.7
- Multi-core scheduler support
- SDcard read 384kb
- 314MB of extra space in SdCard2
- Compiled with Linaro 4.8
- Expected to work on all 4.4.x ROMs
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Latest:
Kernel-Package 2014-11-16
Aroma-Installer
http://www.mediafire.com/download/1p645cfjai7l9zj/GT-I8190-KERNEL-3on.zip
Changelog (for option 2 and 3):
- Proportional Rate Reduction for TCP
- customize some values for zenx, zeneractive, intelliactive
- exFat: driver updated to version 1.2.9
- Liveopp delete 1.15Ghz and add 1.2Ghz
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Kernel-Package 2014-11-09
Aroma-Installer
- removed 100-300-500-700-900Mhz frequencies
Flashable kernelinstaller give you have 3 options
1st.- Normal kernel*1
2nd.- Kenel with CPU OC + GPU OC*2
3rd.- Kernel wirh CPU OC + GPU OC + ABBamp Sound*3
*1 For normal users.
*2 For users who like something more powerful without the connect/disconnect USB on pc, deleted 100-300-500-700-900Mhz frequencies for friendly frequency scaling.
*3 For users who like all changes, deleted 100-300-500-700-900Mhz frequencies for friendly frequency scaling. this is the kernel is included in PAC release
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Kernel-Package 2014-11-02
Aroma-Installer
This time the kernel installer give you 3 options
1st.- Normal kernel, last working kernel previous to CPU OC implementation*1
2nd.- Kenel with CPU OC + GPU OC*2
Changelog
Kernel in Ofast + JustArchiV3 + Linaro GCC 4.9
Frecuency scaling friendly
CPU freq screen off limits
3rd.- Kernel wirh CPU OC + GPU OC + ABBamp Sound*3
Changelog
Kernel in Ofast + JustArchiV3 + Linaro GCC 4.9
*1 For normal users, Havent applied the clock freeze fix, but will be updated next time
*2 For users who like something more powerful without the connect/disconnect USB on pc, deleted 100-300-500-700-900Mhz frequencies for friendly frequency scaling, cpu freq screen off limits set to Min 200Mhz, Max 800Mhz
*3 For users who like all changes, this is the kernel added in the las PAC release, will receive most of the option 2 changes in next update
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OC-kernel 2014-11-02
Aroma-Installer
http://www.mediafire.com/download/5pppy887i4wo914/GT-I8190-KERNEL_49.zip
Kernel in Ofast + JustArchiV3 + Linaro GCC 4.9
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OC-kernel 2014-10-30
Aroma-Installer
http://www.mediafire.com/download/974sm3m9pok5r4g/GT-I8190-KERNEL_sc.zip
- fixed crackling voice at call
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OC-kernel 2014-10-27
Aroma-Installer
http://www.mediafire.com/download/h3ccmwf67b1ux3x/GT-I8190-KERNEL_2sc.zip
- add LiveOpp updated to 2.0.2 by @cocafe
Frecuencies from 100Mhz to 1.2Ghz, 200Mhz-1Ghz by default
- Single platform RTC driver by golden-guy
Notes:
This is an Aroma-installer provided by tenshi_xp
You can select if your system is ext4 or f2fs to choose the right kernel.
NovaThorSettings will be installed as well.
If you have mount/unmount usb in pc, dissable sounds.
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OC-kernel 2014-10-21
add ABBamp Sound Control v. 2.5.0
add lulzactiveq
To control ABBamp, GPU OC and more NovaThorSettings is included.
For elder kernels you can flash this NovaThorSettings (updated)
Freq: 100, 200, 300, 400, 600, 800, 1000, 1050, 1100, 1150
Governors: abysplug, lulzactiveq, ZenX, zeneractive, intelliactve, sakutactive, pegasusq, hotplug, interactiveq, conservative, ondemand, userspace, powersave, interactive, performance
Shedulers: noop, deadline, cfq, sio, row, zen, fifo, sioplus
ZRam: 144Mb
http://goo.gl/0CEhU4 for EXT4
http://goo.gl/by7ALo for F2FS
EXT4 and F2FS kernels are similar, just offline charging is dependent by FS.
tenshi_xp said:
Hello guys, Rox- from TeamCanjica give us the permission for use their app, NovaThorSettings, that will allow to us change the values in GPU OC, by default is overclocked to 480Mhz, stock value is 400Mhz. Also allow to us change the TCP congestion, change deep sleep state(dont try the other option under power menu, kernel dont support that) and know boot time. Next version will include the app by default, but atm you must flash this NovaThorSettings
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
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OC-kernel 2014-10-08
Aroma-Installer
Freq: 100, 200, 300, 400, 600, 800, 1000, 1050, 1100, 1150
Governors: abysplug, ZenX, zeneractive, intelliactve, sakutactive, pegasusq, hotplug, interactiveq, conservative, ondemand, userspace, powersave, interactive, performance
Shedulers: noop, deadline, cfq, sio, row, zen, fifo, sioplus
ZRam: 144Mb
OC-kernel
http://www.mediafire.com/download/wbvj39lqgirclgg/GT-I8190-KERNEL_exp.zip
EXT4 and F2FS kernels are similar, just offline charging is dependent by FS.
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EF-kernel 2014-10-01
Aroma
If some one wanna try kernel with extended frequencies(100MHZ, 600MHZ) no oc, stable.[/QUOTE]
Booted fine tenshi-xp's PAC!
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PAC-kernel 2014-09-15
for f2fs
http://goo.gl/kdGTJW
https://app.box.com/s/twuyp1b76zwjfg9mmlz6
PAC-kernel 2014-09-15
for ext4
http://goo.gl/EcaYqR
https://app.box.com/s/48a9i5yw7z15wtifehz1
I extracted them from PAC-ROM build 2014-09-15 this time.
Both kernels should be the same except the ability of offline charging which is depending by file system.
Have fun!
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PA-kernel 2014-08-20
Enable SELinux
LZ4 compression
Fix zen scheduler
Add zeneractive governor
Enable Unaligned access
Disable KSM
Exfat driver update to v1.2.7
http://goo.gl/lcs1Wj
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PA-kernel 2014-08-06
- Added Multi-core scheduler support
- Better SDcard read from 256kb to 384kb
- Zram from 128Mb to 144Mb
- Compiled with Linaro 4.8
http://goo.gl/6uNxpT
Note: will not boot some novafusion ROMs...
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PA-kernel 2014-07-23
Updated Novafusion sources
- Kernel Update GT-I8190_JB_Opensource_Update2
-Toolchain updated
Cross Compiler Toolchains Linaro GCC 4.9.1-20140710 by Christopher83
http://goo.gl/cQCvUa
Note:
tenshi_xp gave us Novafusion users an option to switch back system partition to ext4 easily, read more here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=54354688
I included the files to the new kernel package - by flashing you will find msfa already at system together with the modified updater_script (as .txt).
With this kernel I changed updater_script to get access to f2fs as well as ext4. Didn't work before...
I replaced
mount("ext4", "EMMC", "/dev/block/mmcblk0p22", "/system");
with
run_program("/sbin/busybox", "mount", "/system");
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PA-kernel 2014-07-16
-Added FIFO scheduler
-Added Zenx governor
-Toolchain updated
Cross Compiler Toolchains Linaro GCC 4.9.1-2014.06 by Christopher83
http://goo.gl/EwIdcB
Notes:
Try Sakuractive + Fifo, or Zenx +Zen
With Zenx have better performance and still save battery no like Sakuractive.
And maybe this will help to save a little battery if you have these wakelock secril_fd-interface
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PA-kernel 2014-07-09
- removed ROW sheduler
- ZRAM improvements
http://goo.gl/56zx3H
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Initial release:
PA- kernel 2014-07-04
-Added SIOPLUS, ZEN and ROW as scheduler
-Added SAKURACTIVE as governor
-Better sdcard reads
-KSM support
-128Mb of ZRAM (!!!)
-314MB of extra space in SdCard2
http://goo.gl/3Es4zK
Have fun!

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Anykernel by Android-Andi
Features
3.0.31 Stable Kernel and 3.0.44 "Beta" Kernel available - choose the one you like
3.0.44 "Beta" Kernel includes latest"GT-I8190_JB_Opensource_Update2" and
"GT-I8190L_LA_JB_Opensource" changes
BLN Support
Nice looking AROMA Installer (screenshots later):
the installer will only replace the zImage of your current flashed boot.img
and still use the ramdisk wich comes with the original boot.img
- that's why it works on every Android 4.4.4 Rom
compiled using GCC 4.7 for better compatibility
.... more will be listed later
All information about this kernel you can find here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=54421404
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kernel 3.0.31 and 3.0.44 are here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=53781894
kernel 3.0.101 here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=53679550
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Anykernel 1.3 2014-07-23
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=54350556
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Anykernel v1.4 2014-07-24
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=54378793
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Anykernel 3.0.31 2014-07-26
moonryder extracted kernel stable 3.0.31+ with added schedulers and governors from latest AA build and made a flashable zip.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=54523704
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Expected to work on all ROMs
!!! - no support for f2fs (yet?) - !!!
Confirmed working at
- OmniROM 4.4.4 by golden_guy
- SlimKat 4.4.4
- VanirAOSP 4.4.2

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golden_guy's kernel
[ROM][4.4.4] OmniROM for GT-I8190 S3 Mini
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2666235
It would be a nice project for some of YOU to extract this one
Expected to work on all ROMs
!!! - no support for f2fs (yet?) - !!!

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OmniROM-kernel by Fred6681
Fred6681 opened his own kernel thread. For latest releases please visit
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2898666
[kernel] F_kernel 4.4.x ROMs NO F2FS
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Latest here:
26/07/2014 - Kernel 3.0.44 --> http://d-h.st/7sE
10/08/2014 - Kernel 3.0.57 --> http://d-h.st/RwC
23/08/2014 - Kernel 3.0.101 --> http://d-h.st/uoI
Github --> https://github.com/Fred6681?tab=repositories
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This kernel is made by Fred6681, perhaps more for his own use - there is no thread. His post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=54030746
Special Thanks for sharing it here!!!
It's a 3.0.44 kernel made for Golden-guy's OmniROM 09/07/2014
with:
- JustArchis Optimization v3
- compiled with Linaro 4.9.1
- added I/O Scheduler: SIO and Zen
- added governor: Smartass v2
Kernel --> http://d-h.st/unL
Github --> https://github.com/Fred6681?tab=repositories
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Update 14.07.2014
Optimization JustArchi v3
Compiled with Linaro 4.9.1
I/O Scheduler:
- noop
- deadline
- cfq
- sio
- Zen
Governor:
- Sakuractive
- SmartassV2
- Abyssplug
- Ondemand
- Powersave
- InteractiveX
- Interactive
- Performance
Kernel --> http://d-h.st/jzv
Github --> https://github.com/Fred6681?tab=repositories
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Update 20140726
Based now on Android-Andi's 3.0.44 kernel
with
- New Samsung sources
- Optimization JustArchi v3
- Compiled with Linaro 4.9.1
I/O Scheduler :
- noop
- deadline
- cfq
- sio
- Zen
Governor :
- Abyssplug
- Ondemand
- Powersave
- Performance
- SmartassV2
- Sakuractive
- InteractiveX
Kernel --> http://d-h.st/7sE
Github --> https://github.com/Fred6681?tab=repositories
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Update 20140823
Optimization JustArchi v3
Compiled with Linaro 4.9.1
I/O Scheduler :
- noop
- deadline
- cfq
- sio
- Zen
- sio+ (only in kernel 3.0.101)
- row. (only in kernel 3.0.101)
Governor :
- Abyssplug
- Ondemand
- Powersave
- Performance
- SmartassV2
- Sakuractive
- InteractiveX
26/07/2014 - Kernel 3.0.44 --> http://d-h.st/7sE
10/08/2014 - Kernel 3.0.57 --> http://d-h.st/RwC
23/08/2014 - Kernel 3.0.101 --> http://d-h.st/uoI
Github --> https://github.com/Fred6681?tab=repositories
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Expected to work on all ROMs
!!! - no support for f2fs (yet?) - !!!
Confirmed working at:
- SlimKat 4.4.4 by Android-Andy
- OmniROM 4.4.4 ay golden_guy
- Vanir 4.4.4

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sonin.n's kernel
It's based on Anykernel by Android-Andi with some additions
New governors:
* sakuractive
* zenx
* interactivex
New schedulers:
* sioplus
* zen
* vr
Builded with Novafusion GCC 4.9 and installation script is based on one from @Fred6681..
The original post and download:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=54387606

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1N4148's kernels
- based on Novafusion/CroPol/TenshiXP/CoCafe (cherry picking from each one)
1N4148 said:
It's hard to explain the cherry picks, CroPol was to experimental for me, so I've switched back to tenshixp as base, reverted some things back to Novafusion, grabbed some updates to LiveOPP from CoCafe, ...
Goal was stability & max battery
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Features:
- added zzmoove governor,
- disabled usecase governor
- 148Mb ZRam
- disabled screen off limiter
- added LiveOPP from CoCafe with dynamic voltages
- F2FS and exFAT support
- Blinking BLN
- CPU frequency from 200-1200MHz (defaults 200/1000), no automatic calibration to AVS values at the moment
- GPU frequency from 128-708MHz (defaults 384/448) with a simple scaling with more intermediate frequencies (64MHz step width), no automatic calibration to AVS values at the moment
- Reworked the gpu code
- new gpu scaling driver (reworked gpu scaling driver from CoCafe)
- GPU frequencies stats
- Enabled PM_MAX power saving for bcmdhd (low power wifi when screen off)
- SoC deep idle state 4 as default
- Universal installer for all ROMs (patches ramdisk with new kernel)
- optional with old wifi driver before JB2 update from Samsung
github for sources: https://github.com/1N4148/s3mini/tree/1n4148-release
Latest:
1N4148 opened his own thread, you can find latest builds there:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2959201
30.11.2014
Now with stats for GPU frequency in /sys/kernel/mali/mali_stats
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=57158326
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29.11.2014
2 new builds:
- new gpu scaling driver
- one build with the old wifi driver before JB2 update from Samsung
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=57135293
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29.11.2014
- Reworked the gpu code
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=57118648
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15.11.2014
- based on CroPol with some modifications from CoCafe (LiveOPP)
- added zzmoove governor,
- disabled usecase governor and screen off limiter,
- added LiveOPP from CoCafe with dynamic voltages
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=56784470
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Comes at Universal Aroma Installer (from Android-Andi's AnyKernel) which keeps the original ramdisk.
Expected to work with all ROMs

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Very nice Thread! Was definitly missing here. Good job!

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PA-kernel updated
PA-kernel 20140709
- removed ROW sheduler
- ZRAM improvements
http://goo.gl/56zx3H
Have fun!
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Hello, please can you add any kernels that have been made for stock roms for example fude kernel etc. Thanks
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2010radams said:
Hello, please can you add any kernels that have been made for stock roms for example fude kernel etc. Thanks
Sent from my GT-I8190N using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
But Fude kernel has it's own thread And besides, it's not a kernel from a ROM (like the title of this thread says ).
Very nice thread @grinder777. Although I use stock-based custom ROMs, this is gonna be as helpful for some people as this is for me

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2010radams said:
Hello, please can you add any kernels that have been made for stock roms for example fude kernel etc. Thanks
Sent from my GT-I8190N using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
As written at OP, you are very welcome to help!
I don't have stock ROM no more, therefore I'm not able to test those kernels. If you have a link I will add, if you like to extract,
- take chacos kernel,
- extract it
- replace boot.img and
- replace system/lib/modules
- zip it again, uncompressed
- flash and test it
and it will be added soon!
Have fun!
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koragg97 said:
But Fude kernel has it's own thread And besides, it's not a kernel from a ROM (like the title of this thread says ).
Very nice thread @grinder777. Although I use stock-based custom ROMs, this is gonna be as helpful for some people as this is for me
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sorry, i never read the full title of the thread. On my phone the thread looks titled 'collection of kernels'. Its only when i click on it i see 'collection of kernels from diffrerent roms for s3 mini' . Silly me
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Hello,
I compile Omnirom with the optimizations JustArchi v3 and Linaro.
Thus if you want i have kernel 3.0.44, kernel 3.0.57 and kernel 3.0.101 compatible OmniRom Golden-guy and SlimKat Android-Andi
with
Optimization JustArchi v3
Compiled with Linaro 4.9.1
I/O Scheduler :
- noop
- deadline
- cfq
- sio
- Zen
- sio+ (only in kernel 3.0.101)
- row. (only in kernel 3.0.101)
Governor :
- Abyssplug
- Ondemand
- Powersave
- Performance
- SmartassV2
- Sakuractive
- InteractiveX
26/07/2014 - Kernel 3.0.44 --> http://d-h.st/7sE
10/08/2014 - Kernel 3.0.57 --> http://d-h.st/RwC
23/08/2014 - Kernel 3.0.101 --> http://d-h.st/uoI
Github --> https://github.com/Fred6681?tab=repositories

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Fred6681 said:
Hello,
I compile Omnirom with the optimizations JustArchi v3 and Linaro.
Thus if you want i have kernel 3.0.44 compatible OmniRom Golden-guy 09/07/2014
with
Optimization JustArchi v3 compiled with Linaro 4.9.1
I/O Scheduler Added: SIO and Zen
Clock added: Smartass v2
Kernel --> http://d-h.st/AZt
Github --> https://github.com/Fred6681?tab=repositories
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
GREAT! I added the link to your post at OP so you can edit and keep up to date your post.
Thanks a lot!
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grinder777 said:
Anykernel by Android-Andi
Did not try myself yet. I'm not sure if it will work with f2fs but something BIG is growing here. Please report if you tried.
[ROM][4.4.4] SlimKat
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2758098
kernel is here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=53781894
and here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=53679550
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Tested his Kernels on different ROMS (Vanir and AA´s Slim). Both Kernels (stable 3.0.31 and beta 3.0.44) work without issues. On Vanir for example they solve the well known bluetooth issues

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KingGehl said:
Tested his Kernels on different ROMS (Vanir and AA´s Slim). Both Kernels (stable 3.0.31 and beta 3.0.44) work without issues. On Vanir for example they solve the well known bluetooth issues
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Would you mind testing the PA-kernel at Vanir?
I'm still with Carbon...
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Fred6681 said:
Hello,
I compile Omnirom with the optimizations JustArchi v3 and Linaro.
Thus if you want i have kernel 3.0.44 compatible OmniRom Golden-guy 09/07/2014
with
Optimization JustArchi v3 compiled with Linaro 4.9.1
I/O Scheduler Added: SIO and Zen
Clock added: Smartass v2
Kernel --> http://d-h.st/unL
Github --> https://github.com/Fred6681?tab=repositories
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I am at M&Ms Carbon with system, data & cache at f2fs...
So I don't expect your kernel to work here, but am not sure.
How is it about f2fs? Has it to be supported by the ROM or by the kernel or both?
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