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Is this as close to the perfect smartphone as you can get? It checks every single box for me, all the right ideas in the right ways. And did you see that blue version? Salivating...
I know it's early, but has anyone heard anything about the release date? I think I really need this one
September 21st in Korea then a bit later in other countries i heard?
I may very well preorder this one. I have an LG G3 and love it. If only the V30 gets root will I buy.
Looks great. I would have liked to see 6GB of RAM for a bit more future proofing. Also, I'd like to see LG more friendly wrt bootloader unlocking... but that's not really a criticism of this phone specifically.
If this is $5 cheaper than Pixel XL 2, I'm going for it considering it can be rooted. This could easily give the new Pixel a run for it's money if cheaper.
Echoing all your sentiments. I'm excited.
Anyone have experience regarding LG and how developer/custom ROM-friendly their phones are?
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Echoing all your sentiments. I'm excited.
Anyone have experience regarding LG and how developer/custom ROM-friendly their phones are?
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They lock down the BL on most models but there is usually always one model thats unlockable.
The trick is buying the correct model so you dont get stuck with one that you cant even root. I think the only G6 worth buying was the H870 intl version all the other BLs were not unlockable ( dont quote me on that lol).
The V30 has my attention for sure...may go with it over the note 8 but all pending an unlockable bootloader.
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Excited for the LG V30! Get the International Version Single SIM , it will surely get root and more community support. This is in the case for most LG flagships.
Good to know thanks @Ali Mirza
Ali Mirza said:
Excited for the LG V30! Get the International Version Single SIM , it will surely get root and more community support. This is in the case for most LG flagships.
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Yes true...lets keep our fingers crossed.
The only thing this device is missing is stereo speakers...i never use earphones on my phones. Other than that LG has literally covered all the bases.
sent from my S8 plus, S7 edge or S6
yeah im looking for this one to drop on tmo
Will be watching closely for an unlocked Bootloader model...
The phone looks good, but I'd like to have in this phone these things:
1- UFS 2.1, the phone has UFS 2.0
2- Stereo speakers
3- 6 GB of rams
And finally better front camera. The phone's front camera has just 5 MP and f/2.2, this is so disappointing.
lg site reports UFS 2.1
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lg site reports UFS 2.1
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I didn't read the site unfortunately, I just read the specs from IFA. I will check the specs from LG site. Thanks for intention.
I want this phone especially because of the F/1.6 Lens aperture (yeah, I always look at the spec sheet and camera is important for me as I take lots of photos). But, as noted on this site that it appears to be F/1.69! hopefully it is only a firmware issue that Lg will fix. If indeed it is F/1.69 then I will pass. I await for word from LG on what is the real story. I know you can't round off F1.69 to F/1.6 and hopefully it is just a screwup in either the the testing software or phone firmware.
Well, it seems that LG has confirmed that it is indeed f/1.6 lense and most likely the units tested were pre-release without updated firmware and software. Good. I will buy!
LORD.ABUMOHAND said:
The phone looks good, but I'd like to have in this phone these things:
1- UFS 2.1, the phone has UFS 2.0
2- Stereo speakers
3- 6 GB of rams
And finally better front camera. The phone's front camera has just 5 MP and f/2.2, this is so disappointing.
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Considering the price, these are things they should have done. Both Samsung, Huawei, OnePlus and a few others have 6GB RAM models and ufs 2.1 for same price or significantly cheaper.
Will we recognize ufs 2.0 vs 2.1 in day to day? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Who's to say. But the 6Gb of RAM vs 4Gb will definitely be felt.
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Looks great. I would have liked to see 6GB of RAM for a bit more future proofing.
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force70 said:
The only thing this device is missing is stereo speakers...i never use earphones on my phones. Other than that LG has literally covered all the bases.
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Yes, I would like 6GB RAM and front-facing stereo speakers. With everything else, this phone would then be perfect. This phone is what the LG G6 should have been. None of that stupid "regionalized" specs crap, where no country got Qi wireless, quad DAC, and extra storage.
Glad LG is being sane and keeping the headset jack.
LORD.ABUMOHAND said:
The phone looks good, but I'd like to have in this phone these things:
1- UFS 2.1, the phone has UFS 2.0
2- Stereo speakers
3- 6 GB of rams
And finally better front camera. The phone's front camera has just 5 MP and f/2.2, this is so disappointing.
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All of us are pretty much thinking alike, so not sure why LG didn't also think of this? I don't understand some OEMs. They never want to make the "perfect" phone, when they easily could.
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Also, I'd like to see LG more friendly wrt bootloader unlocking... but that's not really a criticism of this phone specifically.
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Wait for the U.S. and European carrier unlocked versions to be released. Those are eligible for bootloader unlock. Do NOT buy a carrier-branded LG V30 if you care about bootloader unlock, root, TWRP, custom kernels, ROMs...
See this post:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73652182&postcount=7
My phone is Xperia Z2 and it's almost die, I bought it three years ago, but now the time has come to change it. I want to buy a new phone and I'm thinking of the HTC U11 and the LG V30. What are you thoughts guys?
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My phone is Xperia Z2 and it's almost die, I bought it three years ago, but now the time has come to change it. I want to buy a new phone and I'm thinking of the HTC U11 and the LG V30. What are you thoughts guys?
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Funny you should ask...
LG V30 vs. HTC U11: head-to-head with one of Android's most impressive phablets
While we started out thinking about the HTC U11 and LG V30 existing in much the same universe, as we start looking at individual features we keep spotting little way after little way that LG's phone feels like the superior, more functional, more polished handset. Compared to the U11, the V30 offers an analog headphone jack, has a bigger battery, supports wireless charging, and plenty other things that are simply lacking or are less well-done on the U11.
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So far they look about even in hardware specs and while the US998 model will likely feature an unlockable bootloader, is it worth it compared to the Pixel's dev support?
enginuity2 said:
So far they look about even in hardware specs and while the US998 model will likely feature an unlockable bootloader is it worth it compared to the Pixel's dev support?
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Pixel XL 2017 won't have headset jack, reportedly. Even though Google made fun of Apple for dropping theirs, and even though LG can do IP68 WITH a headset jack while Apple (so far, with iPhone 7) can only do IP67 without one.
There's really NO reason to drop the headset jack. You STILL have Bluetooth -- even with headset jack -- if you want to use ear pods or whatever. It's not either/or. Just like Qi wireless charging. I use Qi wireless when I can, but yeah sometimes I plug in. It's nice to have both options.
If dev support is you number one priority Pixel will always be the better choice. However you seem to be loosing so many features by going with the Pixel.
Depends what's important to you.
Audio: HiFi audio and headphone jack important then the V30 is the only real option
Camera: Manual mode, features and wide angle or a likely excellent auto camera?
Storage: Expandable storage yes or no.
Look and design: I think the V30 is a nce looking device the Pixel not 100% sure yet.
OS: Is stock android and faster update important to you? Same with dev support.
I don't think it that hard once you think about what's important to you. For me it's the V30 over the pixel all day.
Don't forget the Huawei mate 10, announced 16th Oct
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Don't forget the Huawei mate 10, announced 16th Oct
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Won't have Qi wireless charging, I would bet.
Probably no quad DAC either.
Therefore, no thanks.
Will the v30 get an unlockable bootloader?
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Will the v30 get an unlockable bootloader?
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Yes, the U.S. and European carrier unlocked versions will be eligible for official LG bootloader unlock. REAL bootloader unlock, not the "faux" bootloader unlock the T-mobile LG G6 got. Six months later there's still no root nor TWRP nor custom ROMs that can be flashed on T-mobile LG G6, while there's tons of dev work on the U.S. and European "carrier unlocked" LG G, which got REAL bootloader unlock.
You can check the list here and it will be updated when the LG V30 carrier unlocked versions are released.
LG Developer - Unlock Bootloader -Supported Devices
http://developer.lge.com/resource/mobile/RetrieveBootloader.dev?categoryId=CTULRS0703
The U.S. carrier unlocked version will be LG V30 US998.USA
And yes the "carrier unlocked" LG G6 US998 will have LTE band 71. T-mobile confirmed it.
Google Pixel 1 was a retarded device (see nexus 6 design, it was 100 times better and with less bezels)
Google pixel 2 seems to be retarded also, BUT Pixel 2 XL seems to have a nice design with small bezels but no audio jack HAHA (copying apple eh?)
If they don't put something like dual camera wide angle, front facing autofocus 2/4k camera and super mega large battery, then they can keep that thing;
still here in europe they don't sell pixel 1, so no one will give a **** about pixel 2
sad to say, but samsung is doing a really great job with their S8/+ phones
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sad to say, but samsung is doing a really great job with their S8/+ phones
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They are selling well. They've always had an issue with 3rd party audio apps streaming Bluetooth with the track data to other devices though - For me at least. Audio volume and quality is something I dislike with Samsung too. And for the s8 and s8+,I hate bixby and that stupid dedicated button. I don't have the need to talk to a virtual assistant. /rant
I'd go with Pixel XL 2. It it will always be running latest OS. However if you care about camera and audio then V30 is the way to go. For me the pixel xl had a great camera and Pixel XL 2 will excell that. Nothing to worry about. I love the design of the V30 however long term use the Pixel XL 2 is a definitely better option. I'm currently using the XZ Premium which I'm very happy with coming from Samsung. My next phone would be pixel though. Also you might want to wait for the Mate 10 which would be another beast.
I'm sort of torn between Pixel XL2 and LG V30. If you want dev support, Pixel all the way. There is no way to know in which circumstances the V30 will get an unlockable bootloader.
Coming from a Xperia Z2 and later a Xperia Z5, I have a bitter taste in my mouth. If you unlocked your bootloader, you'd delete your TA partitions (which enabled Sony's propriatery camera functions). So despite selling amazing camera hardware to many phone companies, and supposedly using the best on their own phones, you'd get a ****ty camera performance when you had a rooted phone.
LG makes me quite cautious on this matter. Yes we have a 1.6" aperture which will let in more light in dark conditions, but we have a smaller sensor as well. Instead of hardware developments we see a lot of software -gimmicks or features- however you'd want to name them. If i lose any of those features/gimmicks on an open bootloader on a custom rom, or a different camera app I'd be furious. I don't want a locked down and forced software covering bad quality (like Samsung's over saturation of everything, not that they have bad hardware) Pre-release software V30's don't always seem to be doing fantastic on image processing (and sometimes they're amazing) and even though they are pre-release specimens I'd hate to have another gamble with this.
Pixel on the other hand, seems like it'll have a huge sensor. That'll be hard to **** up with software (even though it was Pixels amazing camera firmware that gave it those amazing shots). Honestly, I don't care about a second camera on my phone. I want a proper main camera and thats it. IF and only IF my phone is going to have two cameras, I'd like to have them in "Wide>Monochrome>telephoto" order. IF i have to. That is why I'm going with the V30 and not the Note8 (that, and the 6" sweet spot on the small bezel screens. Anything below 6" seems to narrow, and anything above 6" seems too big and a waste of battery considering the smaller batteries they come with because of the smaller body)
I love the Quad DAC, and I love the headphone jack, but I'd rather have a stereo speaker setup. I often find myself connecting to my car bluetooth or a bluetooth speaker if I'm on a camp or something. Hell I'll just keep a pair of wireless headphones on me. Which is why I don't lament the loss of a replacable battery. I have tons of rechargeable items on me at any time now. So I'd rahter just carry a powerbank and charge anything, instead of replace the battery on my phone.
Wireless charging is one of those things where you don't know how much you needed them until you have them. So I'd like that as well.
I can go forever on this. (I feel like I already have)
So to sum it up:
Dev support: Pixel
Multimedia consumption/creation: V30 (unless the camera ****s up massively)
For me it'll be V30 most likely, for the DAC and jack (and then design). One of the unlocked ones, so that hopefully I can root and get rid of whatever bloat it comes with and restore it to the closest stock experience possible. I'm not too hopeful on custom ROMs though as I think the DAC won't be supported for some time (will it ever? not sure the V20 ROMs ever got it?).
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There is no way to know in which circumstances the V30 will get an unlockable bootloader.
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Yes there is. The U.S. and European "carrier unlocked" LG V30 versions will be eligible for bootloader unlock, just like with LG G6, V20, LG V10, LG G5, LG G4, etc.
Go look at this pattern:
http://developer.lge.com/resource/mobile/RetrieveBootloader.dev?categoryId=CTULRS0703
And stay away from carrier stores. T-Mobile proved with the LG G6 and Samsung models this year they are no longer dev friendly.
But I do agree with your other comments about no stereo speakers. LG missed an opportunity.
I also agree about Qi wireless charging. I won't buy a phone without it.
ChazzMatt said:
Yes there is. The U.S. and European "carrier unlocked" LG V30 versions will be eligible for bootloader unlock, just like with LG G6, V20, LG V10, LG G5, LG G4, etc.
Go look at this pattern:
http://developer.lge.com/resource/mobile/RetrieveBootloader.dev?categoryId=CTULRS0703
And stay away from carrier stores. T-Mobile proved with the LG G6 and Samsung models this year they are no longer dev friendly.
But I do agree with your other comments about no stereo speakers. LG missed an opportunity.
I also agree about Qi wireless charging. I won't buy a phone without it.
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I did read your original post regarding this, and makes a lot of sense.
What I meant to say was that we don't know if we'll lose any functionality by unlocking the bootloader and installing a custom rom. I say this because of my history with the Xperia Z series. I know LG didn't do something like this before, but there was a lot of software focus on the presentation. Some of it might be tied down to LG's original rom.
The lack of stereo speakers in such an audio-centric device bother me a lot honestly. I mean there is already a speaker placed up there for calls. Just make it a little higher in quality. Sure it won't be boomsound unless they spend more money on it and lose profits, but we'd atleast be able to understand where a certain sound is coming from. A ton of songs use stereo effects, let alone videos.
And as a last point, we don't have carrier-branded phones where I live so I'm safe on that regard. But like you said, if we had them, I wouldn't touch them with a ten feet pole.
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There is no way to know in which circumstances the V30 will get an unlockable bootloader.
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ChazzMatt said:
Yes there is. The U.S. and European "carrier unlocked" LG V30 versions will be eligible for bootloader unlock, just like with LG G6, V20, LG V10, LG G5, LG G4, etc.
Go look at this pattern:
http://developer.lge.com/resource/mobile/RetrieveBootloader.dev?categoryId=CTULRS0703
And stay away from carrier stores. T-Mobile proved with the LG G6 and Samsung models this year they are no longer dev friendly.
But I do agree with your other comments about no stereo speakers. LG missed an opportunity.
I also agree about Qi wireless charging. I won't buy a phone without it.
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I did read your original post regarding this, and makes a lot of sense.
What I meant to say was that we don't know if we'll lose any functionality by unlocking the bootloader and installing a custom rom. I say this because of my history with the Xperia Z series. I know LG didn't do something like this before, but there was a lot of software focus on the presentation. Some of it might be tied down to LG's original rom.
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Ah, I mis-read your post then. "There is no way to know in which circumstances the V30 will get an unlockable bootloader", I thought you meant which situations LG would allow it. You meant what complications would come with that.
You are correct. Last year, the ZTE Axon 7 -- the one with the award-winning quad DAC and excellent front-facing speakers (cough, LG should have done that) -- made a decision to have a user-unlocked bootloader. BUT ZTE kept their quad DAC code under lock and seal. It was proprietary. So, while users could root the phone, with CM/Lineage custom ROM, there were lots of audio issues for months. Audio was badly distorted. Finally CM/LOS dev and others got that distortion under control, but I'm still not sure they are able to let custom ROMs use the quad DAC the way the stock firmware does. (I stopped keeping track about six months ago.)
As a result, many users stuck with stock firmware for best experience. Yes, it could still be rooted, and yes there's Gravity Box you can use with stock firmware so you can use the quad DAC functionality. And yes the ZTE Axon 7 still had the exact same 5.5" AMOLED 1444p display the Pixel XL had. But you lost all that great audio functionality if you installed custom ROM. (At least for several months, I don't know the current situation.)
So, you are right. There's tons of magic in this LG V30 (audio and camera), but depending on if LG lets devs have access to that, it's possible custom ROM experience would suffer.
Feels like the whole Nexus 5 vs LG G2 saga all over again.
I had both and while the Nexus 5 was way smoother than the G2, the G2 was by far the better phone as they cut way too many corners on the Nexus 5. :crying:
Will be interesting to see how this one pans out.
Personally, I'd go for the V30. Don't buy this whole, "Courage," crap and bet the battery in the Pixel 2 wont be as good as the V30. Thinking about USB type C, if only they'd designed the port to be round.
Pixel Vs LG V30
Google pixel's features are good and used those feature and its awesome.
Pixel for photography. V30 has the worst camera of all 2017 flagships.
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Pixel for photography. V30 has the worst camera of all 2017 flagships.
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All the reviews say the LG V30 camera is among the best. One example:
LG V30 hands on – a mobile photography powerhouse
www.androidauthority.com/lg-v30-review-797089
Another one:
Camera Shootout: Galaxy Note 8 Vs. Xiaomi Mi Mix 2 Vs. LG V30
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bensin...-8-vs-xiaomi-mi-mix-2-vs-lg-v30/#73e4b9b85764
You're just trying to start an argument?
Plus, you don't even know what the Pixel 2017 will have. Yes, it will probably have a very good camera ALSO.
Tested back to back with my wife's V20 using the included AKG earbuds using a high fidelity flac file of the Allman Brothers song Old Friend, which is two acoustic guitars with strong vocals. Night and day, there was far more detail and less hiss using the V20. Tested also with hih quality flac files of Metallica and Andrea Bocelli. Same. Far more detail.
Used Poweramp Alpha with high fidelity output enabled. Nothing scientific, just back to hack.
I mostly like the Note 8 otherwise, but for sound quality alone I think I'll return for the V30 when it comes out. Haven't Used the S Pen hardly at all, which surprised me. For me, audio quality is important.
Just one man''s opinion.
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Tested back to back with my wife's V20 using the included AKG earbuds using a high fidelity flac file of the Allman Brothers song Old Friend, which is two acoustic guitars with strong vocals. Night and day, there was far more detail and less hiss using the V20. Tested also with hih quality flac files of Metallica and Andrea Bocelli. Same. Far more detail.
Used Poweramp Alpha with high fidelity output enabled. Nothing scientific, just back to hack.
I mostly like the Note 8 otherwise, but for sound quality alone I think I'll return for the V30 when it comes out. Haven't Used the S Pen hardly at all, which surprised me. For me, audio quality is important.
Just one man''s opinion.
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So what was your purpose of buying a Note then if you had no intention of using the pen? Seems you bought it for all the wrong reasons and decided to post here to get others to sway away from the Note 8.
Just information others might find useful sir. Not trying to sway anyone in any direction.
You are comparing a phone that was made for quality audio to a phone that wasn't.
Now, LG V20 stylus is inferior compared to the Notes.
"audio quality is important"... what the Note 8 could do was known before you ordered it. Sorry but all one had to do is search and then look at the history of Galaxy phones in regards to sound. For me the word 'NOTE" says it all. Now.. again for ME... MUSIC? Yeah.. not going with any phone
After my Note 7 Fiasco I got the LG v20. The sound was good on it. But I don't listen to anything on my phones anyway. The phone it's self was ok at best. The LG v30 will be the same. Lg is incapable of making a phone with the build quality like the Note. I can tell by looking at the v30 that it is going to feel cheap.
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Tested back to back with my wife's V20 using the included AKG earbuds using a high fidelity flac file of the Allman Brothers song Old Friend, which is two acoustic guitars with strong vocals. Night and day, there was far more detail and less hiss using the V20. Tested also with hih quality flac files of Metallica and Andrea Bocelli. Same. Far more detail.
Used Poweramp Alpha with high fidelity output enabled. Nothing scientific, just back to hack.
I mostly like the Note 8 otherwise, but for sound quality alone I think I'll return for the V30 when it comes out. Haven't Used the S Pen hardly at all, which surprised me. For me, audio quality is important.
Just one man''s opinion.
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Opinions are always welcome but your opinion is of the "duh really" variety. If you want the best sound get a V10, V20, or V30 when it arrives. For that matter I'll trade you my U11 straight up, if music is that important to you.
Enjoy your Note8.
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After my Note 7 Fiasco I got the LG v20. The sound was good on it. But I don't listen to anything on my phones anyway. The phone it's self was ok at best. The LG v30 will be the same. Lg is incapable of making a phone with the build quality like the Note. I can tell by looking at the v30 that it is going to feel cheap.
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Agreed, I got the LG V20 and regretted it quickly. Loved the audio, but not much else.
Wow. Harsh crowd. Sorry y'all were so offended. Was just sharing intel/opinion that might be useful to prospective buyers.
In any case, hope the discussion is useful to someone. It's still a stellar piece of engineering.
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Tested back to back with my wife's V20 using the included AKG earbuds using a high fidelity flac file of the Allman Brothers song Old Friend, which is two acoustic guitars with strong vocals. Night and day, there was far more detail and less hiss using the V20. Tested also with hih quality flac files of Metallica and Andrea Bocelli. Same. Far more detail.
Used Poweramp Alpha with high fidelity output enabled. Nothing scientific, just back to hack.
I mostly like the Note 8 otherwise, but for sound quality alone I think I'll return for the V30 when it comes out. Haven't Used the S Pen hardly at all, which surprised me. For me, audio quality is important.
Just one man''s opinion.
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Question...... How did u get hi-res? I had it on my note 4, but not on the note 8. Same apk even
See it's not there
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Wow. Harsh crowd. Sorry y'all were so offended. Was just sharing intel/opinion that might be useful to prospective buyers.
In any case, hope the discussion is useful to someone. It's still a stellar piece of engineering.
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It was kind of a given with the V20's quad-dac, but appreciated none the less
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See it's not there
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I'm not sure, just downloaded v704 and ran. Also purchased poweramp unlocked, maybe that?
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I'm not sure, just downloaded v704 and ran. Also purchased poweramp unlocked, maybe that?
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I have 703, and same on the note 4. How did u get 704? I go on the poweramp website and go to download but there no link to click on.
704 is only available from the Poweramp forum. It's easy to find there.
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Wow. Harsh crowd. Sorry y'all were so offended. Was just sharing intel/opinion that might be useful to prospective buyers.
In any case, hope the discussion is useful to someone. It's still a stellar piece of engineering.
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Agreed, I got the LG V20 and regretted it quickly. Loved the audio, but not much else.
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I'm no the same boat...i actually got the v20 too after returning the note 7....i too wasn't too happy with the V20...i missed the note 7 camera and stylus. Can't wait to get the note 8...
but agree...the audio for the v20 was pretty good...
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tomplatz said:
Wow. Harsh crowd. Sorry y'all were so offended. Was just sharing intel/opinion that might be useful to prospective buyers.
In any case, hope the discussion is useful to someone. It's still a stellar piece of engineering.
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Agreed, I got the LG V20 and regretted it quickly. Loved the audio, but not much else.
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I'm on the same boat...i actually got the v20 too after returning the note 7....i too wasn't too happy with the V20...i missed the note 7 camera and stylus. Can't wait to get the note 8...
but agree...the audio for the v20 was pretty good...
When I first receive my Note 8. I was despised with how it sounds.
I think you want to make your own adapt sound setting first. only then it sounds good. really good.
Listen with Tidal and Neuron. boy. it sounds so good!!
Adapt sound on note 8 is much more better than adapt sound on my last note 3
Yeah amhave to agree with everyone else. If audio is important, LG V10/30 is for you.
Comparing quad dacs to what Samsung offers is not an even match.
If audio is important, i would advise you to get a separate audio device. I have note 8 as my daily driver for work, personal and games. I own a DP-CM1X for audio with 2.5mm balanced cable to my im03.
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Yeah amhave to agree with everyone else. If audio is important, LG V10/30 is for you.
Comparing quad dacs to what Samsung offers is not an even match.
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I have the Note FE, Note 8 and LG V20.
Note 8 is much better than the Note FE but no way as good as the V20 when you use 24 bit music (Lossless). But I believe most consumers use streaming services which use high but rate MP3s so most so consumers would be happy with the Note 8. I am not which is why I use a dedicated Sony NW ZX300 DAP.
Does anybody knows the audio chip of the international version?
you will have to wait some time before we figure this out
https://s3.ap-northeast-2.amazonaws...le/solution/MobileProcessor-9-Series-9810.pdf
As long as I read this,
It seems like built-in SoC. 32bit/384kHz
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https://s3.ap-northeast-2.amazonaws...le/solution/MobileProcessor-9-Series-9810.pdf
As long as I read this,
It seems like built-in SoC. 32bit/384kHz
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But...also the specs are talking about 4k/120fps....I am wondering if we get also an sound amplifier, something similar to LG Vxx series....?
If they're saying sounds 1.4 x louder on the plus i would reckon so right?
Fingers crossed
Waiting for more info on this as well. Thinking of retiring my v20 and getting this instead.
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But...also the specs are talking about 4k/120fps....I am wondering if we get also an sound amplifier, something similar to LG Vxx series....?
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[email protected] was disabled in the Exynos chip in order to be in the same specs as Snapdragon users, because Snapdragon is limited currently to [email protected]
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Waiting for more info on this as well. Thinking of retiring my v20 and getting this instead.
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If they're saying sounds 1.4 x louder on the plus i would reckon so right?
Fingers crossed
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I have been in different stores trying the speakers, and I have to say they sound nice pretty nice and loud. I never buy phones with no dual speaker configuration, and for the first time Samsung is doing this, I have to say I'm pretty impressed. About the headphone jack, I wouldn't be able to say, but I think most of the phones are in the same level except for LG V line.
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[email protected] was disabled in the Exynos chip in order to be in the same specs as Snapdragon users, because Snapdragon is limited currently to [email protected]
I have been in different stores trying the speakers, and I have to say they sound nice pretty nice and loud. I never buy phones with no dual speaker configuration, and for the first time Samsung is doing this, I have to say I'm pretty impressed. About the headphone jack, I wouldn't be able to say, but I think most of the phones are in the same level except for LG V line.
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But I want a Samsung phone to be in the VXX class
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But I want a Samsung phone to be in the VXX class
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I think many of us would like that, but they didn't say anything about a special DAC, so I doubt they implemented something really special for audio.
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I think many of us would like that, but they didn't say anything about a special DAC, so I doubt they implemented something really special for audio.
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Sigh. Wish they did. I love the v20 but the lack of updates on LGs part is just pitiful. Still on 7.0 with Dec security patch. Nice camera, Excellent audio output through the jack [what i care about].
Might as well buy a dedicated dac and the s9.
Edit: What would be a good DAC to buy?
Chord mojo
demonknight said:
Sigh. Wish they did. I love the v20 but the lack of updates on LGs part is just pitiful. Still on 7.0 with Dec security patch. Nice camera, Excellent audio output through the jack [what i care about].
Might as well buy a dedicated dac and the s9.
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Honestly, I don't care that much about if they use a specialized DAC or nor as long as it sounds decent. I was more worried about the speakers, but they sound really nice.
Usually I'm not much time with headphones, maybe 1-2 times per month, but everyday I see videos and I appreciate a lot the stereo speakers, which are really good.
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Chord mojo
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Looks good! But slightly beyond what i can buy especially after buying the s9+ :silly:
How does this look?
https://www.nextdrive-spectra.io/
It's around 149 bucks on amazon.
So apparantly it's running the latest cirrus logic we will have to wait a bit for root to tell exactly which one. Sound is great through high end headphones, rich sound louder than the s8
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So apparantly it's running the latest cirrus logic we will have to wait a bit for root to tell exactly which one. Sound is great through high end headphones, rich sound louder than the s8
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High impedance?
I have the Amiron and DT 770 80 ohm and the volume level in the S8 is too low.
If S9 is louder I'm seriously considering a switch
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High impedance?
I have the Amiron and DT 770 80 ohm and the volume level in the S8 is too low.
If S9 is louder I'm seriously considering a switch
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Its definitely louder but I only have low impedance headphones, I can't check it for you sorry
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Its definitely louder but I only have low impedance headphones, I can't check it for you sorry
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Guess will have to wait for Dolby to be ported to the S8 before rooting.
Sounds quite good with the sound personalisation (test tones) all with "yes" - using AK T8ie mkII it sounds pretty credible.
Dolby Atmos is a major turn-off to me though
It does sound different to the Note 8 (both international versions), more authorative - so, definitely feels like an upgrade.
The audio chip in the S9+ is the same as in the S8 series.
Cirrus Logic CS47L93 Audio Codec.
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http://techinsights.com/about-techinsights/overview/blog/samsung-galaxy-s9-teardown/
That's odd as theres mo such thing on their website
I changed to the V30+ from my Droid Turbo after ChazzMatt had a thought where he would go to after the Droid Turbo got old. The V30 was a great choice even we knew LG is real crap with system updates.
I have the V30+ almost for two years and had several thought to change it in the last half a year. I'm on rooted stock oreo. I'm not a heavy user, but battery time is getting on my nerves by now.
I did all that is possible with the stock system. I see that some has 5-6hrs os SOT with limiting frequencies, using the lowest light settings all day, and who knows what other mods with cutting functions.
Nope, I don't make compromises. I did not buy a premium phone to cut back frequencies, to try to read the low light screen in bright sun... I did all the optimal settings, but screen time is around 3hrs in a day use.
Deepsleep was always a high consumer. 3-4% per hr with all the non-used apps turned off. My Mi5 does this with 0.3%, and my DroidTrubo also does that.
So my question where to go from the V30+?
I've been looking the LG V50 for quite a while, but my fear is, that staying on the LG-train means the same ****ty system updates, badly optimized battery management... and absolutely no developer background, no root.
I'm fine with the factory system as I need all cameras, so probably would survive that I can not root.
I went all other possibilities, and there is no other choice but the Samsung S10+, if you need water resistance and sturdiness. Everything votes for the Samsung, but build quality.
Same cameras, more RAM, same battery, smaller size... can be rooted, has decent developer background.
I had Samsung before and swore not to get one again. But there is no other choice.
What do you think everybody? @ChazzMatt, I really would like to know your thoughts also...
Thanks for all the useful comments!
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I changed to the V30+ from my Droid Turbo after ChazzMatt had a thought where he would go to after the Droid Turbo got old. The V30 was a great choice even we knew LG is real crap with system updates.
I have the V30+ almost for two years and had several thought to change it in the last half a year. I'm on rooted stock oreo. I'm not a heavy user, but battery time is getting on my nerves by now.
I did all that is possible with the stock system. I see that some has 5-6hrs os SOT with limiting frequencies, using the lowest light settings all day, and who knows what other mods with cutting functions.
Nope, I don't make compromises. I did not buy a premium phone to cut back frequencies, to try to read the low light screen in bright sun... I did all the optimal settings, but screen time is around 3hrs in a day use.
Deepsleep was always a high consumer. 3-4% per hr with all the non-used apps turned off. My Mi5 does this with 0.3%, and my DroidTrubo also does that.
So my question where to go from the V30+?
I've been looking the LG V50 for quite a while, but my fear is, that staying on the LG-train means the same ****ty system updates, badly optimized battery management... and absolutely no developer background, no root.
I'm fine with the factory system as I need all cameras, so probably would survive that I can not root.
I went all other possibilities, and there is no other choice but the Samsung S10+, if you need water resistance and sturdiness. Everything votes for the Samsung, but build quality.
Same cameras, more RAM, same battery, smaller size... can be rooted, has decent developer background.
I had Samsung before and swore not to get one again. But there is no other choice.
What do you think everybody? @ChazzMatt, I really would like to know your thoughts also...
Thanks for all the useful comments!
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I'm afraid I am going to have give up root to keep top tier specs (headset jack, Qi wireless charging, QHD 1440p display).
If not LG V50, then yes Galaxy S10 (6.1") or S10+ (6.4"). Here are specs comparing all three phones. I'm not a Samsung fan either, but I'll consider them because that series still had headset jack. (The "all three" comparisons only show up on computer screen, not app screen.)
Right now LG is on some strange LSD trip, where they are reverting back to 1080p, using mid-range Snapdragon, and trying to force us to use multiple displays.
I have a mint LG V35 ready for my wife to use, but she isn't rooted anyway. No notch, 6GB RAM, basically a V40 in a V30 case. THAT was how LG should have continued.
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I'm afraid I am going to have give up root to keep top tier specs (headset jack, Qi wireless charging, QHD 1440p display).
If not LG V50, then yes Galaxy S10 (6.1") or S10+ (6.4"). Here are specs comparing all three phones. I'm not a Samsung fan either, but I'll consider them because that series still had headset jack.
Right now LG is on some strange LSD trip, where they are reverting back to 1080p, using mid-range Snapdragon, and trying to force us to use multiple displays.
I have a mint LG V35 ready for my wife to use, but she isn't rooted anyway. No notch, 6GB RAM, basically a V40 in a V30 case. THAT was how LG should have continued.
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When you decide to move on to another phone, please let us know.
I'll be right behind you.
Sony just announced a new flagship that looks interesting. It has most of the same features we loved in the V30, more memory, and the latest processor. Software support couldn't be worse than LG. Seriously, except for the anemic battery, my wife's XZ2c has been great. It was purchased from BHPhoto the same day as my V30S and has received regular updates including A10 months ago.
Thoughts?
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/202...50-flagship-smartphone-with-a-headphone-jack/
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Sony just announced a new flagship that looks interesting. It has most of the same features we loved in the V30, more memory, and the latest processor. Software support couldn't be worse than LG. Seriously, except for the anemic battery, my wife's XZ2c has been great. It was purchased from BHPhoto the same day as my V30S and has received regular updates including A10 months ago.
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https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/202...50-flagship-smartphone-with-a-headphone-jack/
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1080p. I'm not downgrading. All my phones since 2014 have had 1440p. Why can't they give me QHD 1440p AND headset jack?
But the rest of the specs sound fantastic.
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Sony just announced a new flagship that looks interesting. It has most of the same features we loved in the V30, more memory, and the latest processor. Software support couldn't be worse than LG. Seriously, except for the anemic battery, my wife's XZ2c has been great. It was purchased from BHPhoto the same day as my V30S and has received regular updates including A10 months ago.
Thoughts?
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/202...50-flagship-smartphone-with-a-headphone-jack/
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$950 = me sticking with my V30
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1080p. I'm not downgrading. Why can't they give my 1440p AND headset jack?
But the rest of the specs sound fantastic.
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There's also no wireless charging on that one afaik
I heard samsung was considering bringing back headphone jack with next S series phone, let's see how that goes
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There's also no wireless charging on that one afaik
I heard samsung was considering bringing back headphone jack with next S series phone, let's see how that goes
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Like the 2019 Galaxy S10 (6.1")/S10+ (6.4") -- both of which have QHD 1440p, Qi wireless charging, IP68 and headset jack. Plus stereo speakers. The S10+ has a 4100 mAh battery.
https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=9535&idPhone2=9536&idPhone3=9607
If Samsung adds headset jack back for 2021 and later, I'll be OK.
Qi wireless charging, QHD 1440p, even headset jack are "lines in the sand" for me I will not cross (do without). My 2014 Moto Quark (Droid Turbo/Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo) had all three. When I found the V30 in 2017 during a year long search to replace my phone, those were the attributes a new phone for me and my wife needed.
At the time only Samsung and LG were still doing Qi wireless charging. Even Google had given it up, even though they pioneered it with their Nexus phones (20012 Nexus 4, 2013 Nexus 5, 2014 Nexus 6). But then Apple started doing Qi wireless charging and Google then added it back because their Pixel team worships Apple. If Google had kept it the whole time, they would have gotten credit for being the trend setter.
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Like the 2019 Galaxy S10 (6.1")/S10+ (6.4") -- both of which have QHD 1440p, Qi wireless charging, IP68 and headset jack. Plus stereo speakers. The S10+ has a 4100 mAh battery.
https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=9535&idPhone2=9536&idPhone3=9607
If Samsung adds headset jack back for 2021 and later, I'll be OK.
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Yeah Snapdragon S10 is still a good option and ticks most of the boxes
Sadly we've only the Exynos variant of s10 here
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Like the 2019 Galaxy S10 (6.1")/S10+ (6.4") -- both of which have QHD 1440p, Qi wireless charging, IP68 and headset jack. Plus stereo speakers. The S10+ has a 4100 mAh battery.
https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=9535&idPhone2=9536&idPhone3=9607
If Samsung adds headset jack back for 2021 and later, I'll be OK.
Qi wireless charging, QHD 1440p, even headset jack are "lines in the sand" for me I will not cross (do without). My 2014 Moto Quark (Droid Turbo/Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo) had all three. When I found the V30 in 2017 during a year long search to replace my phone, those were the attributes a new phone needed.
At the time only Samsung and LG were still doing Qi wireless charging. Even Google had given it up, even though they pioneered it with their Nexus phones (20012 Nexus 4, 2013 Nexus 5, 2014 Nexus 6). But then Apple started doing Qi wireless charging and Google then added it back because their Pixel team worships Apple.
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I agree with your lines in the sand except for the 1440p, that doesn't matter to me. My only question is whether the S10 or the V50 are boot unlockable?
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I agree with your lines in the sand except for the 1440p, that doesn't matter to me. My only question is whether the S10 or the V50 are boot unlockable?
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I haven't kept up so much with the Samsung variants, but as far as I know for the LG V50 only the Europe variant (LMV500EM) has true bootloader unlock through the official LG unlock code. Our V30 LOS dev also is dev for V40 and V50 and he owns one. And by "true", I mean permanent. There's a temp root method for other V50 variants, but it's lost every time you reboot. The last time I looked on eBay for V50, I couldn't find any Europe variants, only "carrier unlocked" Sprint variant. (Hint for others: if the eBay listing says "unlocked" they are usually talking about SIM card unlock/network unlock, not bootloader unlock.)
However, while I have bought "international" phones in the past, I'm wary right now with the coming U.S. carrier VoLTE lockdown. By 2022 on AT&T I'll need a phone/firmware that gives me AT&T VoLTE. Verizon and T-mobile users will need it by the end of this year. That topic discussed here:
All U.S. V30/V3O+/V30S will need stock firmware, not LOS-based custom ROMs. When?
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I agree with your lines in the sand except for the 1440p, that doesn't matter to me. My only question is whether the S10 or the V50 are boot unlockable?
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Some V50 have temp root, you could check about it on v50 xda
S10 exynos has good development, not sure about the snapdragon variant though
Best thing to do would be to visit the xda sub-forum for each device and see how everything is
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Some V50 have temp root, you could check about it on v50 xda
S10 exynos has good development, not sure about the snapdragon variant though
Best thing to do would be to visit the xda sub-forum for each device and see how everything is
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I've never heard of temp root but it sounds awful. I didn't want to research new phones after finally getting the V30 the way I wanted it. I'll just wait for Chazzmatt to upgrade, then I'll copy him!
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I've never heard of temp root but it sounds awful. I didn't want to research new phones after finally getting the V30 the way I wanted it. I'll just wait for Chazzmatt to upgrade, then I'll copy him!
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Yeah, this part:
By virtue of being a “temp root” method, root access will be lost as soon as you reboot your phone. Moreover, Android Verified Boot 2.0 may kick in and brick your phone if you try to make permanent changes to protected partitions such as boot, system, and vendor without an unlocked bootloader. That being said, the exploit is currently available in its compiled form, while the developer will soon release the source code. The executable should be invoked from a regular ADB shell or a terminal emulator, and it should show the following message after successful privilege escalation.
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On the old Motorola Droid Turbo, towards the end of development after Motorola tried to patch the Sunshine exploit, a one-time temp root was necessary for Sunshine to run to unlock the bootloader. But this is different. It's a continual cycle of "temp root", which you have to implement every time you reboot the phone.
For the S10/S10+ only the Exynos and Hong Kong Snapdragon variants can be bootloader unlocked and rooted, to my knowledge. For Hong Kong, it uses Snapdragon and Samsung puts easy bootloader unlock switch like with older T-mobile phones. But U.S. Snapdragon variants are hard locked down due to carrier demands. Exynos chips are used in other parts of the world and have bootloader unlock.
This thread claims you can get a U.S. S10+ bootloader unlocked and with TWRP installed from Chinese hacker.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/s10-plus/how-to/g975u-discussion-root-bl-unlock-t3929385/page23
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The forum user here Moriatier supposedly has a U.S. Galaxy S10 that is rooted and twrp installed. He said some hacker guy in China did it. Not sure how legit or true this is, but he claims he has root with twrp.
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But other than that, seems impossible for regular people.
XDA article from this weekend indicates that Snapdragon s10 can be bootloader unlocked.
https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-galaxy-note-20-ultra-root-us-unlocked-snapdragon-865/
That link is for the galaxy note 20 ultra. 1 or 2 US phones can be rooted like the sprint S10 5G version. The S10 line is mainly locked down. The S9 just got root a few months ago.
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That link is for the galaxy note 20 ultra. 1 or 2 US phones can be rooted like the sprint S10 5G version. The S10 line is mainly locked down. The S9 just got root a few months ago.
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If you read the article, it states that it is also for other models, which it lists the S10 as one.
Well holy crap! Someone leaked a Samsung tool that unlocks the bootloader, nice! $150 though...
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If you read the article, it states that it is also for other models, which it lists the S10 as one.
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I think you'll find ~1 person on XDA willing to pay for BL unlock.
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If you read the article, it states that it is also for other models, which it lists the S10 as one.
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Interesting. But $150?
Magisk Hide is still letting SafetyNet pass, so things like Google Pay work without issue. I can (and have) installed Magisk modules without any issues, and now I’ve got the experience I wanted, with full US compatibility and a proper warranty.
Interestingly, this isn’t even an exploit. The root process makes use of internal Samsung tools.
It’s also not free. I paid quite a bit to unlock my phone. Not $550-$700-worth, but still a good chunk of change. But for me, it was worth it. Now my phone is my phone, and since Samsung has a bootloader unlockable variant that uses the same Snapdragon 865+, I have access to plenty of development work. Again, though, it’s not free, and you’ll be paying up to $150 to get a bootloader unlock. Compatibility is also currently limited to the Galaxy S10, Galaxy S20, Galaxy Note 10, and Galaxy Note 20 series.
If, for whatever reason, you’re interested in this, I’ve put together a super simple Android app that answers a lot of questions about the process, and then allows you to request your own unlock. Check it out on XDA Labs. The app itself is free, so there’s no investment for investigation besides your time. You can proceed if you are still comfortable.
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